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Yahoo, Apache, Ebay, Amazon, Netscape Celebrate 10 Year Anniversaries

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the i-love-the-90s dept.

Businesses 222

tagish writes "Roy Fielding writes on the Apache dev mailing list: 10 years ago today, the Apache Group decloaked with the creation of the new-httpd archive and initial accounts on hyperreal.org. I had the lucky timing of having the first message archived on the list, though we had actually been talking about what to do for at least a week before that (sadly, without any archives)." At the same time, Mike Porter simply writes "Yahoo celebrates its tenth anniversary on March 2nd." News about some other anniversaries available via an MSNBC article.

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Michael Sims Fired, Joins GNAA to Troll Slashdot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799643)

Michael Sims Fired, Joins GNAA to Troll Slashdot Full Time

FREMONT, CA (TECHNEWS) - After a heated debate at Slashdot executive offices, editor Michael Sims was locked out of the building and departed in a tirade of lisping insults, vowing revenge immediately. This morning, industry sources revealed that Sims has joined the infamous trolling organization Gay Nigger Association of America with the intent of trolling Slashdot fulltime.

In a short phone interview with Technews, Sims asserted that he was calm but resolved on his course of action. "The Slashdot editors and I had a disagreement," he explained. "I did it all for the users, but they..." he drew the syllable out painfully, resting on a case full of Little League trophies and certificates of participation from transgendered dating services, "They just couldn't take my truth. They were -- babies, just babies, oh, the horror, the abomination," he said, before being led away by three white-clad male nurses.

According to Harvard Psychology Professor Arnold Rothstahlberg, "trolling" is an internet phenomenon where dissenting users disrupt a site by flooding it with absurd or paradoxical information. "It satisfies the primal id," he said, chewing on a large, bulbous, phallic black cigar. "To justify themselves by forcing their enemies into hysterics. It's a compensatory mechanism much like getting back at the kids who beat you up in high school by installing Linux and using it to pingflood their XP boxes and Macs."

Slashdot editor CmdrTaco was reticent to comment. At an interview conducted in the crap-filled Ann Arbor bungalow he shares with his wife, to whom he proposed over Slashdot, he said, "Well, you know, Slashdot is just a web site. Michael should calm down about this. But if he doesn't, our corporate sponsors will sue him until he's giving $4 blowjobs on Haight Street."

From the GNAA corporate headquarters, a mysterious floating island off the coast of Newfoundland that few reporters have seen and even fewer have returned from with their sexual identities intact, GNAA "Head Programmer" timecop said he was glad to have Sims on hand. "From what I've seen of his postings on Slashdot," said timecop, "he's a total fag. Which is convenient as all our halfops need anal, and I can't handle the drama. That's what's worst about the net: the drama."

Sims has been involved in previous internet firefights, most notably the controversy over the censorware.org website in 2001. While Sims alleges that the site was his creation that was sabotaged by others, his coworkers disagree. Bennett Haselton, security consultant for the "Anarchy Anal" and "Chaos Cumshot" websites, said of Sims, "We set up this website, and left him the password. We have a disagreement, bam, the website goes down and someone raped my two-week-old Labrador puppy with an iPod."

Slashdot Editor CowboyNeal, who was entangled in a whale net after attempting to swim the English channel, spoke fondly of his former coworker. "Michael always brought a certain passion to the work, a passion that was easily ignited and led to many sweaty sessions in the corporate washroom," he said. "I'm not at all surprised he joined an organization of gay niggers. He always like something different and unique in his pasta salads."

Programmer Seth Finkelstein alleges that Sims is "totally unstable" and agreed readily to this interview. "Of course, I'm a disinterested observer," he said. "But anytime I see that closet psychopath and monkey nut-muncher stealing the spotlight from hardworking programmers like myself, I have to speak up, for the benefit of the people, of course," he said. Technews reporters were permitted to leave the premises only after making a PayPal donation to Finkelstein.

Mike Godwin of the EFF, who balances a career as privacy advocate with his hobby of making videos of teen swingers blowing goats, agreed. "I've never met another editor like Michael," he said. "And, since my regimen of retrovirals is already costing me an arm and a leg, I hope I never do." Godwin mentioned that Sims believes his trolling of Slashdot is providing a "different perspective" that benefits "the broader Linux, er, Slashdot, community."

When Technews returned to interview Sims, he spoke softly and with conviction. "They don't have the interests of the user community at heart," he said. Suddenly he was pounding his desk in tears. "Those bastards cut off my lifeline, my raison d'etre," he sobbed. His voice and eyes became clear, a hatred burning behind the lenses. "I'll crapflood every Linux kernel update from now until oblivion. They haven't heard the last... of Michael Sims," he said.



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Re:Michael Sims Fired, Joins GNAA to Troll Slashdo (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799819)

Why don't people like Michael? Honestly, I never figured it out... And why did he leave slashdot? Does anyone know?

And yes, this is off topic.. but I'm responding to a GNAA troll so that's pretty much unavoidable :P

Re:Michael Sims Fired, Joins GNAA to Troll Slashdo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799945)

Michael Sims honestly did leave Slashdot because of a personality difference. I don't know for sure if he has joined the GNAA for real but he has in the past show up on irc.gnaa.us #gnaa using the nickname "areems".

Re:Michael Sims Fired, Joins GNAA to Troll Slashdo (1, Troll)

Saturn SL1-WNY (807134) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799982)

I have to figure probably because he's gay. If you haven't noticed, the news-media is controlled by closet-case Rupert Murdock. He's been steering the country's eyes away from same-sex marriage and catholic-sponsered molestation. A secret underground movement that began shortly after the Puritan arrival in the New World strives daily to keep homo-hatred in the spotlight. In response, secret encoded messages delivered by satellite and internet (particularly in 'linux', it's versitile and populus distrobution selection offers a wide range of targets) have fueled the raving return of the once popular American pastime of Gay Rights Bashing. Continuing with this trend many stock market analysts have attributed the recent rise in Legal Liberian Tender being released by the Morgan Mint to the general public to be tied to the increase of Homo-Hatred. To put a long story short Michael was never much of a Puritan, he was a Quaker. Unfortunately, he often preferred to have eggs and bacon instead of his oatmeal (if you know what I mean) and could not continue in his mission of galactic conquest here at /. without seriously jeopardizing secrecy of the underground salt mining complex run by the starving children of Africa. It's so damn simple.

LOL (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800335)

That is the most hillarious thing I have ever read. Someone just made my friends list!

Why?! You can't be serious?! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800015)

I mean, come on: 0.000003 seconds on Google and you'll see why. Or 0.00045 seconds on ./ back when he was still 'an editor' and you'd know why.

It wasn't as if we all woke up and one morning and decided to pick on Michael just for the hell of it.

The guy is a douche bag, that's all.

Re:Michael Sims Fired, Joins GNAA to Troll Slashdo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800160)

they forgot to remove him from their About Slashdot page [slashdot.org] .

Linux celebrates (4, Funny)

grennis (344262) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799644)

10th year of "Year of Linux"

Re:Linux celebrates (1)

FuzzyBad-Mofo (184327) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800157)

Except since Linux was founded in 1991, it's more like the 14th year..

Re:Linux celebrates (0)

dauthur (828910) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800281)

No, he was made in 1950 by Mr. Schulz.

Oops.

Re:Linux celebrates (1)

FuzzyBad-Mofo (184327) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800410)

No, that was Linus.. and isn't it about time he left that security blanket behind?

Um (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799646)

Happy birthday?

Yahoo and I (-1, Offtopic)

LordNokia (776881) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799648)

Share March 2 as a birthday! I'm 8 years older though.

Now please clean up your act (4, Funny)

Virtual Karma (862416) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799651)

After the celebrations are you considering giving us a clean home page? Please YAHOO... its been long due

Re:Now please clean up your act (5, Informative)

everdred (827792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799776)

It's not in their business model.

From the thus far print-only Wired article (available on wired.com on March 1), the average Yahoo! user spends 4.8 hours per month on their site. And Google users spend an average of 6/10ths of an hour on Google. And that's the way they both want it.

Their approaches and goals are different. Google keeps their users coming back by getting them what they need as quickly as possible. Yahoo! seems to keep users coming back for Games! and Music! and Shopping! Oh my!

6/10ths of an hour ? (3, Funny)

grennis (344262) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799834)

If you are going to use a fraction why not 3/5? But why use a fraction, why not just say 36 minutes? Something is not right here.

Re:6/10ths of an hour ? (2, Funny)

everdred (827792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799843)

Artistic license.

Re:Now please clean up your act (1)

TrippTDF (513419) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799787)

I got an email from Yahoo that said that there would be something "special" on the homepage on March 2nd. Given the sucsess of Google, maybe they are going to do just that, give a simple homepage, with a new navigation system to all their differnet areas. The page is WAY too complicated to be useful to anyone as it is.

Re:Now please clean up your act (1)

AmoHongos (467830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799874)

The article says the "something special" is a coupon for a free scoop of ice cream from Baskin-Robbins.

Yahoo. And I mean that in a sarcastic, literal sense.

Re:Now please clean up your act (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799908)

anyone want to take bets that the something "special" is a popup ad?

Re:Now please clean up your act (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799846)

between the big three (AOL,MSN & yahoo) it seems Yahoo is the cleanest, free email and instant messenger for anyone, plus news & multimedia, between the three yahoo is the best...

Google is nice but lacks an instant messenger client, Google does have good email and a good news section,

Re:Now please clean up your act (4, Insightful)

blixel (158224) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800349)

Yahoo is the cleanest, free email and instant messenger for anyone, plus news & multimedia, between the three yahoo is the best...

Google is nice but lacks an instant messenger client...


Why would you want Yet Another Instant Messenger? At least if you have a gmail account, you can still send e-mail to whomever you like. If Google creates an Instant Messenger, all your friend(s) will have to install yet another IM client.

No - we don't need another Instant Messenger. What we need is an IM standard based on an open protocol like Jabber [jabber.org] .

Though if Google created an IM client which was in fact based on Jabber, it might give Jabber the boost it needs to slow down the spread of crappy, proprietary IM protocols like ICQ and Yahoo [answers.com] .

Re:Now please clean up your act (5, Informative)

everdred (827792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799899)

By the way, if it's a clean, Google-like (search-centric) interface you'd like to see on Yahoo!, try search.yahoo.com [yahoo.com] .

Re:Now please clean up your act (1)

fred911 (83970) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800206)

"Google-like (search-centric) interface you'd like to see on Yahoo!, try search.yahoo.com."

Still Yahoo-like in the amount of ads. At least google keeps their ads on the left side of the page. Joe 6 pack doesn't know the difference, but it's still sleazy...

Re:Now please clean up your act (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800357)

really?

all my google ads come up on the right hand side.

Re:Now please clean up your act (1)

novakyu (636495) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800380)

Still Yahoo-like in the amount of ads. At least google keeps their ads on the left side of the page. Joe 6 pack doesn't know the difference, but it's still sleazy...

IDK, but, to me it seems, it's exactly like Google interface. In fact, they probably copied it over from Google, exactly. If it weren't for the logo (o.k. I'm exaggerating), I wouldn't be able to tell that it wasn't Google. (BTW, google also displays some ads on top of the search page, but they are marked clearly (by different background) as ads---and it's exactly the same way in search.yahoo.com.)

Re:Now please clean up your act (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800499)

no!!! its just like google.... infact it must be google.hmm akamai...... and god damn i hate places like ebay msn.com yahoo. amazon etc etc etc. i hope they die!

sorry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799652)

i hate myself

Re:sorry (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799678)

wow i really missed the first post, it is because of all the hardcore shemale scat porn i am, downloading though.

Re:sorry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800121)

We hate you too

Wired, too (0, Redundant)

Primotech (731340) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799672)

Wired is running an article this month in their magazine on Yahoo's! Tenth. http://www.wired.com/wired/ Sadly, it's not online yet, but will be soon.

Celebration (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799674)

Well this is fairly special, how exactly are they going to be celebrating? :)

-- Methynutnut

Hookers and blow. Except for Netscape... (3, Funny)

TheLittleJetson (669035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800353)

...whose remaining four employees will get trashed on listerine in the broom closet.

One of these things is not like the other (4, Funny)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799682)

Yahoo, Apache, Ebay, Amazon, Netscape

One of these things is not the same kind.

It's like Jeopardy! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799700)

What is "relevant", Alex?

Re:It's like Jeopardy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799729)

Too bad Jeopardy doesn't have Lifelines. Netscape could have called Ken Jennings.

Re:It's like Jeopardy! (2, Funny)

dnixon112 (663069) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800212)

Not a fan of the browsers, are you Trebek?

Re:One of these things is not like the other (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799826)

Well, the first four still exist.

Re:One of these things is not like the other (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800186)

And the fifth is owned by the dung of the software industry.

Twirl (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799687)

Well hooray for a bunch of people who got to ride the .com bubble and get far richer than I'll ever be.

Re:Twirl (-1, Flamebait)

ky11x (668132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799745)

Oh, shut your cynical bitter mouth. Because you worked for a good-for-nothing bubble of a company doesn't mean everyone else, and in particular these companies listed here, were not doing useful work.

Re:Twirl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800352)

He most likely was too young to ride it, I am currently pretty much pissed off about it myself. Thanks to all the people who are in IT and don't give a damn about it now (they got in for the cash) I can't even find a decent job.

Re:Twirl (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799800)

I was going to call your bluff and write you a fat check, but unfortunately, you're anonymous.

Why not wonderbra? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799689)

Yahoo, Apache, Ebay, Amazon, Netscape Celebrate 10 Year Anniversaries

um, did we not mention www.wonderbra.com?

Re:Why not wonderbra? (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800135)

God bless Flash introductions that celebrate said birthday--especially ones with Maja Latinovic [wonderbra.com] in front. My brother might rightly say holla to that.

How far we have come in 10 years, but how dangerous Internet browsing has become. [wikipedia.org] With the popup-blocking vulnerabilities found a few days ago no browser is too safe yet IMO.

(Side note: Sara Lee makes Wonderbras? No wonder those mammaries look finger-lickin' good.)

in other words.... (1)

Venexiano (230225) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799691)

google said it would celebrate its 10th annyversary too.

Wow. (4, Funny)

GregoryD (646395) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799696)

This also means I have been online 10 years. Wow. Where does the time go?

Oh yeah, multiplayer internet games!

Re:Wow. (1, Funny)

LordNokia (776881) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799703)

Wow... That's right... Scary thought- I've spent most of my life online... even while sleeping!

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799723)

amen. mmorpgs are the greatest thing since the small refrigerators that sit by your computer. i no longer have to get up for food while playing mmorpgs.

Sadly, there can be only none (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799731)

Where have you gone, HomeGrocer.com and WebVan?

Re:Wow. (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799727)

Same here.

I feel old.

Happy BD (3, Interesting)

ATAMAH (578546) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799698)

Happy BD, to the lot of them. Interesting to see how some of them have grown into being huge companies (amazon), and continue to develop, others being manhandled by opposition (Netscape)illegaly, and yet others outdone by fair competition and still being in business (yahoo).

Re:Happy BD (1, Troll)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799961)

interestingly, in reference to yahoo, while they have been outdone in the search market by google and email by hotmail (and prolly gmail), I still use them for weather and driving directions all the time and I know many who do.

Re:Happy BD (0)

Rassleholic (591097) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800014)

I share the same birthday with Yahoo. Hooray!!!

Re:Happy BD (1)

Nutria (679911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800095)

Happy Bondage/Discipline??

I say this in all seriousness... (1, Insightful)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799709)

Does Netscape even really count anymore? They're no longer independent, nor are they even influential, for crying out loud.

Re:I say this in all seriousness... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799861)

But they're going head to head with Netzero!

I ALSO say this in all seriousness... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800172)

What shallow person modded you insightful? The WWW would not be anything near what we have today, had it not been for Netscape in the 90s. One can argue that Mosaic had brought graphics to the WWW, but Netscape added Java, Javascript, plugins, and many other rich multimedia extensions just a click away.

And don't forget, we would NOT have Firefox today, had it not been for Netscape.

Filo said it, not me (2, Funny)

Haxx (314221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799712)

"It's immensely more challenging to get to $10 billion in revenue than it was to get to $10 million in revenue," Filo said. "That's why we are still here today.

Sounds like tough work. How will they ever make enough to see ends meet.

Re:Filo said it, not me (1)

YU Nicks NE Way (129084) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799782)

Yeah, I mean, really, a factor of a thousand here, a factor of a thousand there...what's three orders of magnitude among friends.

Confirmation email from Yahoo in 1995.. (5, Interesting)

nolife (233813) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799746)

From id@yahoo.com Thu Nov 23 21:03:25 1995
Return-Path: <id@yahoo.com>
Received: from marburg.yahoo.com (marburg.yahoo.com [205.216.162.14]) by mail.hula.net (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) with ESMTP id VAA00599 for <XXXXXX@hula.net>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:03:24 -1000
From: id@yahoo.com
Received: (from http@localhost) by marburg.yahoo.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA21476; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:03:25 -0800
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:03:25 -0800
Message-Id: <199511240703.XAA21476@marburg.yahoo.com>
To: XXXXXX@hula.net
Subject: Your Yahoo ID
Mime-Version: 1.0

Thank you for registering. Your Yahoo ID is

XXXXXXX

Please make a note of it for future Yahoo promotions. By using
this ID you can avoid filling out the personal information that
you just submitted to us. We know that filling out these forms
is a pain, so we'd like to make it as easy as possible. Address
questions about this to id@yahoo.com.

Thanks again for registering..

Bunch of Yahoos

Re:Confirmation email from Yahoo in 1995.. (3, Interesting)

0racle (667029) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800153)

You must have a huge datastore if you keep this level of information.

Re:Confirmation email from Yahoo in 1995.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800199)

you did realize that his username is "nolife", right?

Not Quite. (4, Informative)

cacepi (100373) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799758)

Sorry, but Yahoo has been around since January 1994. [yahoo.com]

Re:Not Quite. (4, Informative)

DarkMantle (784415) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799786)

They seem to be celebrating the incorperation date, which according to the link you posted was March 1995.

I hope you don't get marked insightful for not reading your own link and being able to think by yourself.

Re:Not Quite. (1)

everdred (827792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799806)

They're referring to the date it was incorporated, March 2.

its ten years as a "public" company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799813)

hell, jerry's akabono.stanford.edu sumo wrestling site probably goes back even further.

Re:Not Quite. (0, Offtopic)

Scaz7 (179078) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799969)

Always leave it to a slashdoter to find and poke a stick at something wrong with some post, sometime, somewhere...

Re:Not Quite. (2, Interesting)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800489)

I remember the spring semester of my final year at college (1994) when they added the www and mosaic browsers to the existing internet services.

I'm pretty sure the first time I saw yahoo it was a single page -- http://www.yahoo.com/yahoo.html. Originally it was a list of a hundred or so links on a single page. :-)

In the first few months there the "list of links" was a common feature on a lot of sites. It was related to the best feature of gopher -- here's all the places to go from here.

4 character password (-1, Offtopic)

Haxx (314221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799783)



I still have a 4 letter password on Yahoo mail.

Re:4 character password (4, Funny)

geofforius (791412) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799803)

Not anymore you don't

Re:4 character password (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799827)

Yes, we know

Re:4 character password (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799850)

nono.

I've made it more secure for you.

Re:4 character password (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799876)

mines at 5, it was on my mousepad and one of my favorite games at the time. when my dog destroyed the original mousepad i found one on ebay in australia and ordered it, $4.50USD including shipping...

Re:4 character password (-1, Offtopic)

epedersen (863120) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799976)

your password is longer then my user ID on yahoo.

Happy Birthday ! (-1, Redundant)

puiahappy (855662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799797)

Well than i think that we all shall wish "Happy Birthday" to these fine products.

Worth Noting... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799831)

Yahoo was building and running a site with free software (perl,bsd,etc...apache came later) when people were saying "you can't do that!!".

I personally credit Filo with making open source accepted...when the market cap topped $150 billion (for a short time) it was hard to argue you could not make money with open source.

life before apache (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799855)

does anybody know what the most popular web-server was before apache?

Re:life before apache (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799940)

Ever heard of Google?

Before Apache [drlamay.com]

Re:life before apache (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800058)

gopher

Re:life before apache (1)

Meetch (756616) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800078)

The library?

Re:life before apache (1)

John Bokma (834313) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800494)

NCSA httpd webserver. Remember compiling and running it on an Indigo R3K. That probably makes me old :-D.

Great!!! (-1, Redundant)

adeydas (837049) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799952)

Happy BD to them. Its hard to believe that these websites have developed so much in the last 10 years. Just shows how fast the Internet is growing. Amazing!!!

How DOES Yahoo! make money? (3, Interesting)

Skadet (528657) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799964)

I really want to know how exactly a site like Yahoo! makes money. Are click-thru ads really that profitable?

Someone explain this, I'm in the dark.

If Mirsky were around (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11799966)

Which of those sites named above would you submit to his website?

Billion Dollar Babies (4, Interesting)

Sundroid (777083) | more than 9 years ago | (#11799998)

From the MSNBC article: "Relative youngster Google has been lauded for reaching $1 billion in sales in just six years. Well, Amazon did it in four, Yahoo in five and eBay achieved it in seven. Compare those companies with Wal-Mart, which aged to 18 before it could slap the phrase, 'the billion dollar company' on its annual report; and McDonald's took 24 years to hit the benchmark."

Page and Brin of Google, Filo and Yang of Yahoo were in Stanford Ph. D. program; Jeff Bezos of Amazon graduated from Princeton (EE and CS); Pierre Omidyar, Ebay founder, went to Tufts (CS); Meg Whitman, CEO of Ebay, went to Princeton and Harvard. What's the lesson here? Hitting the books pays. I guess.

Re:Billion Dollar Babies (2, Insightful)

thogard (43403) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800224)

All thouse people had good access to inital capital because of the schools they went to and the connections they made there.

Re:Billion Dollar Babies (4, Insightful)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800282)

From the MSNBC article: "Relative youngster Google has been lauded for reaching $1 billion in sales in just six years. Well, Amazon did it in four, Yahoo in five and eBay achieved it in seven. Compare those companies with Wal-Mart, which aged to 18 before it could slap the phrase, 'the billion dollar company' on its annual report; and McDonald's took 24 years to hit the benchmark."

Yeah and IBM probably took something like eighty years since it began in 1885 and revenues probably didn't reach the billion mark till the mid 60s. The measurements are not in constant dollars. A much better measure would be looking at how long it took the companies to reach a certain fraction of GDP. AT&T probably looks similar. Its a meaningless comparison except in constant dollars.

McDonalds operated as a single diner for many years before Ray Krok drove up to sell them a mixer and ended up inventing franchising and it was another ten years before they went public. If Krok had had access to the amount of capital Amazon and EBay did they could have become a billion dollar company much faster.

A better measure would be the point at which a company had earned a billion dollars in profits (inflation adjusted).

Re:Billion Dollar Babies (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800310)

No it shows that people who are smart gravitate to big-name universities. People with degrees from those universities are not always "smarter", but often they are smart enough to realise the value of the big name for networking and venture capital. That is a form of intelligence also, to navigate social structures to your best advantage.

I wouldn't say that someone is good just because they have gone to a certain institution. The reason Trinity college in Cambridge has more Nobel prizes than the whole of France is not just the quality of the teaching... It's about who are the people who seek to go to these places, and what are the entrance requirements.

So it really does become more about who sets up shop first, as they will always have the smarter people *come* to them rather than actually *producing* them.

So yes, for all the anti-university sentiment from some quarters of the slashdot crowd you can say something about someone from a prestige university. But that's not to say you should discount someone from another university, or a person who did not go to a uni.

The recent article on John Gilmore is awesome, he's twice the man any google-do-no-evil-but-fire-the-bloggers-hand-over- details-to-feds-without-a-fight-and-censor-in-chin a-france-and-germany founder can claim to be.

Same with Stallman or any of the BSD guys. All of them are massively more important in my eyes (university or no). But that doesn't say that a degree is meaningless either.

Anyway, to return to your phrase "hitting the books", I don't think universities have a monopoly on "hitting the books".

You Fa&il I't (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800039)

long time FreeBSD t4ere are of businees and

Ahhh the good old days! (2, Interesting)

Meetch (756616) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800043)

I remember, about 10 years ago (give or take - 12 maybe?), evaluating FOSS proxy caches for a company as part of a short-term contract. One was Squid, another - bit of an upstart - was Apache in proxy mode. I was not very impressed with Apache at the time. I thought its storage methods were silly, and it had a lot of optimisation to do before it could even think of going anywhere.

I guess we're here now, and we probably have been for some time - but that appears to have quietly slipped in while I wasn't looking.

Then I moved into a position with a company selling a solution with PAID FOR LICENSES of Netscape included. We were happy to pay the fee though, because it did things for us that simply didn't work otherwise on Windows 3.1(/1) - the choice of clients of my old employers...

Now, although I thought those large warrior women were around a bit longer ago than 10 years, at least I know what they are... but what's an "ebay"??

my apache experience 10 years ago (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800044)

Here's my experience with Apache about (almost) ten years ago. I was working at a place where we were running NCSA httpd 1.3 on SunOS 4.1. Our web site had become more popular due to a news article or something. Performance was bad because NCSA httpd waited to receive a new TCP connection, and then forked a child to service that connection. The child served the request, then immediately exited. Not a horrible model when the web was some guy's fun little research project, but not optimal either.

So, we needed something better. I had heard about this new httpd called Apache, which had started off life as a series of patches to NCSA httpd. Hence the name: it was a-patchy-server. I thought the pun was mildly lame, but when I read the info on how it worked, I was impressed: here was an httpd that forked off N different httpd server children in advance and then communicated with them to assign tasks as TCP connections came in. It would start out with N of them, and if all N were busy at the time a new connection came in, it would create child N+1, and so on. Performance was supposed to be something like an order of magnitude better, and since it was a branch of NCSA httpd, it could read all our config files (although we'd want to tweak them a little to get good performance).

NCSA httpd 1.3 had been released, but no new changes had come from NCSA in a while, and these Apache people seemed to have gotten a lot accomplished in a short time, so I had a good feeling about them. So, I talked to my boss and suggested that this new Apache thingamabob might be the solution to all our problems.

He thought about it and decided he wasn't sure some obscure bunch of hotshot developers creating their own rogue branch from the well-respected NCSA code were the type of people we should expect to be around for long. He thought it'd be much safer to just wait for NCSA httpd 1.4, which was supposed to have its own pre-forking implementation. So we did.

A few years later, I had to look back and laugh that my boss was skeptical that this weird new Apache thing could ever catch on. But all in all, there was nothing wrong with his decision. He may've been a little too conservative, but a good system administrator makes decisions that will make the system work, and doesn't let the coolness factor of this or that technology sway him.

On the other hand, I get some satisfaction from looking back and knowing that my gut instinct was right on target.

On the other other hand, I get even more satisfaction from looking back and realizing I'm not a systems administrator anymore, and I've actually manage to escape to a different part of the technical universe (knock on wood). :-)

Re:my apache experience 10 years ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800328)

Goddammit.

Apache, which had started off life as a series of patches to NCSA httpd. Hence the name: it was a-patchy-server.

Why does everyone seem to want to perpetuate this myth? It's not true.

See here. [apache.org]

I'll quote it for the lazy:
The name 'Apache' was chosen from respect for the Native American Indian tribe of Apache (Indé), well-known for their superior skills in warfare strategy and their inexhaustible endurance. For more information on the Apache Nation, we suggest searching Google, Northernlight, or AllTheWeb.

Secondarily, and more popularly (though incorrectly) accepted, it's a considered cute name which stuck. Apache is "A PAtCHy server". It was based on some existing code and a series of "patch files".

You of all people...one who worked with the GrandPaPa of web servers, NCSA httpd 1.3, should know this.

Re:my apache experience 10 years ago (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800361)

If your boss had been really smart he would've told you to set up Apache on a test server and pound on it for a while to how it held up.

If only I'd stuck with the Amazon Affiliate... (1)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800090)

...program. I remember making my page with that A-River logo, and putting up books for sale. If I'd have stuck with it, who knows how much I'd have in terms of money and experience!

Ah, to go back in time and tell myself then what I know now. ;)

me too! (-1, Offtopic)

arcanumas (646807) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800096)

What a coincidence!
I am also celebrating my tenth year anniversary of not celebrating tenth year anniversaries.

OpenBSD (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11800365)

And let's not forget OpenBSD!

Like their website says: "Free, Functional & Secure - since 1995".

woot ! (2, Funny)

Tsiangkun (746511) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800401)

14 years of gopher !
no pop ups/downs/arounds/unders
no ads
no pictures
but it did have a clickable interface, and it might have been the beginning of the "everything I can see is the filesystem" revolution leading to the web browser/filesystem browser integration.

Characteristics of a Ten Year Old (5, Funny)

NicksMyName (731714) | more than 9 years ago | (#11800417)

Just looked for the charactertics of a ten year old and found a good list here [ncada-stl.org] Ones that seem to apply to Apache as a ten year old:

"Care of clothes/room at dismal low"

"Responsive to anger often violent and immediate"

"Will accept bathing schedule if it doesn't interfere with activities"

"Fears at a low ebb"

"Not yet aware of when they are tired and need to go to bed"

"Humor is corny, sometimes smutty"

"Interest span still somewhat short"

"Needs certain amount of liberty to move around"

"Concerned about fairness"

"Greatest difficulties in relation to siblings "

"Responsive to anger often violent and immediate"

Ones that may not apply:

"Still exhibits admiration for adults, teachers"

"Still needs considerable amount of supervision to get things done, needs clues to organization"

"Enjoys outdoor play activities, sports, collections, Cub Scouts, T.V., and video games" (well, except for the TV and Video Games)

"Enjoys listening to stories"

"Not necessarily a worker"

"Have sudden bursts of affection"

"Last age (for a while) when child goes happily on family outings"

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