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Open Office 2.0 Beta Candidate Released

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the that-other-office dept.

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JPyObjC Dude writes "The OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta candidate has been released. You can find the feature guide that covers the wide array of improvements over the current 1.1 release. There are a bunch of problematic UI quirks in 1.1 that have been fixed in 2.0." Feature categories include increased interoperability with Microsoft Office, Asian Language Features, Developer-Specific Features, and new Internet based features. Commentary and an interview with Colm Smyth available at NewsForge.com.

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One day it'll be as good as MS Office! (5, Funny)

bburton (778244) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816531)

Feature categories include increased interoperability with Microsoft Office...
Hopefully the OpenOffice team has incorperated support for Clippy (finally!!). It's the one thing that's been keeping me from leaving MS Office. I just love that little guy. He's so helpful.

I just don't know what I would do without all the incredibly useful toolbars in MS Office! Publishing my documents to the web, imbedding oh-so useful macros into all my documents. I like to turn them all on at the same time. I think there might even be an FTP client in there somewhere. You know what else I like about MS Office? I totally love th

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Re:One day it'll be as good as MS Office! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816574)

god damn what a gay post

Re:One day it'll be as good as MS Office! (1)

bburton (778244) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816667)

Well, I only jest.

I actually think MS Office is pretty good. I actually liked Word 97 a lot. I was just trying to point out extra fluff that MS Office has that OO.o doesn't. It's one of the reasons I like OO.o so much.

Re:One day it'll be as good as MS Office! (5, Interesting)

Gadgetfreak (97865) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816602)

Our company just upgraded (I use the term loosely) to MS Office 2003, which got rid of the standard Office Toolbar. I thought it was rubbish anyways, and didn't use it. Programs are easy enough to find on the start menu, IMO.

But you would not believe how many people came to me asking how to get their Office Toolbar to show up again. They just piled everything into it, and ignored the start menu altogether.

I was so disappointed to find out just how many people really like those toolbars...

Re:One day it'll be as good as MS Office! (3, Interesting)

zurtle (785688) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816849)

I don't use the office toolbar per se, but here at work I use multiple applications - the Quick Launch toolbar is perhaps the handiest thing I've got. Screw the Start menu, that's slow. Once you've memorised the shortcuts for other handy things like "calc" and "freecell", you don't need much else!!

Back to the topic... I'd be keen to find out how OO.o handles .xlt files - the MS Office viewers bite, and buying licences for Office is a waste when we only need it for test stations that don't need anything but Excel! Is OO.o truly an Office clone? Or is it still an occasion where we need to have both to get the useful features of both?

Re:One day it'll be as good as MS Office! (2, Insightful)

roror (767312) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816856)

hey, they have a clippy, only that it looks like a star or sun if you prefer. when you type something and it auto corrects, you see the little guy on the lower right. equally irritating as the clippy.

Re:One day it'll be as good as MS Office! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816891)

One of the worst examples of karma-whoring, I piss on you!

Re:One day it'll be as good as MS Office! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816892)

Hopefully the OpenOffice team has incorperated support for Clippy (finally!!).

And hopefully they'll remove it soon after! Clippy isn't in Office anymore; stop using outdated arguments against Office.

Native Widgets! (4, Interesting)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816534)

It's about time!
(From TFA)

Native system theme integration (native widget rendering)

To enhance integration of OpenOffice.org with the underlying operating system, all user interface elements (such as buttons and scrollbars) will have the same look as those used in most other 'native' applications for that platform. OpenOffice.org will react on-the-fly to changes of the desktop theme, so when the user changes the desktop colors or theme, OpenOffice.org will adjust its own appearance to match.

Native system theme integration will be available for Gnome (version 2.4 or higher), Microsoft (R) Windows (including XP and future versions), and KDE (version 3.2 and higher) desktop environments. On Windows XP the 'Windows XP Style' must be chosen under Settings - Control Panel - Display - Appearance to achieve the correct look.

Theme integration will be the default for desktop environments that support it (listed above). Systems (for example, Windows 98/ME/2000, CDE) that do not support it will see no visual change in OpenOffice.org. On supported systems OpenOffice.org will always adopt the theme of the system and cannot choose not to do so.

Re:Native Widgets! (2, Interesting)

mccalli (323026) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816679)

Theme integration will be the default for desktop environments that support it (listed above). Systems (for example, Windows 98/ME/2000, CDE) that do not support it will see no visual change in OpenOffice.org. On supported systems OpenOffice.org will always adopt the theme of the system and cannot choose not to do so.

Interesting - no mention of OS X. I know the OS X port has now essentially been left to the excellent NeoOffice [neooffice.org] - I wonder if a beta 2.0 of that is now on the cards?

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Native Widgets! (3, Interesting)

Vile Slime (638816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816716)

> Systems (for example, Windows 98/ME/2000, CDE) that do not support it will see no visual change in OpenOffice.org

Per my experience the theme is quite different on Windows 2000. Personally I don't like it. It reminds me of the psychodelic sixties, a lot of color that accomplishes nothing.

Beyond that, the Impress presentation program seems to be a lot slower than the 1.1 version.

It's so slow it's annoying to me. I just updated yesterday a 100+ page tutorial I'd written using 1.1 and it was torturous on my 2ghz machine (1 gig of ram, no swapping involved).

Native-looking, not really native (1)

no parity (448151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816718)

Still better than nothing, though.

Re:Native Widgets! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816841)

If you can draw while adhering to a guideline don't forget to help out with the KDE Open Office widget set. Join the volunteers who are trying to complete the set in time.

If you have drawn tool icons before and want to volunteer then please ask via the e-mail given on http://artist.kde.org/

Not really a theming engime on Windows (1)

Mitchell Mebane (594797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816859)

The way the article words it, it sounds like the Windows widgets aren't really done by a theming engine, they just made a Luna Blue skin for OO.o. This would mean that people, like me, who use WindowBlinds will still not have a matching OO.o.

I haven't tried the 2.0 betas, is this really the way it works?

Re:Native Widgets! (2)

Troed (102527) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816878)

I'd say the "integration" has gotten worse :/ I'm used to right-clicking on the systray icon and selecting "Open document". That's completely gone - or is there a setting that'll bring it back?

WP? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816541)

So can it open older Word Perfect files yet? This is the one feature I'm waiting for to switch completely.

Re:WP? (5, Informative)

Marthisdil (606679) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816563)

WriterPerfect filter spec link Writer The WordPerfect import filter is supported. You can now open a WordPerfect document in OpenOffice.org. http://specs.openoffice.org/writer/fileIO/writerpe rfect.sxw Seems so.

Re:WP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816839)

hehe
from the spec sheet.
8Future Tasks
The filter needs continuous development to arrest bit-rot, and to improve it's capabilities. Many such developments have already taken place, but are not merged/proposed due to the voracious demands of bureaucratic process, and the commensurate stifling of the will-to-live.

Re:WP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816922)

Whenever I need to open a wpd file I usually use abiword.

probably not FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Mac Weinberg (544324) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816543)

probably not FP Tyro!

How's the database? (5, Interesting)

RazorJ_2000 (164431) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816545)

I'm more interested in how the database is looking to be.

Re:How's the database? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816706)

Why? There are so many strong open source databases, it seems that this is the least interesting part of open office.

In just about every other category of tools Open Office is far ahead of other competing projects. But for the database part excellent solutions already exist.

Re:How's the database? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816934)

  1. Why? There are so many strong open source databases, it seems that this is the least interesting part of open office.

The GUI interface builder and table manager is there to answer the "what about MS Access?" questions. The database UI builder can connect to other databases, though the database itself is there to offer something by default so that you don't have to configure a database seperately.

Re:How's the database? (3, Interesting)

sploo22 (748838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816952)

The important thing that OpenOffice really needs in the database area is a good front-end like Access. Like it or not, Access's UI works quite well, even though the database backend is the ultimate in suckiness.

Currently some of this can be done through the OO Writer, but all forms and things have to be stored in separate documents, making organizing a full database application a real pain. Plus, even if you just want to build a quick and dirty single-user system, you still need the overhead of a server like Postgres.

Re:How's the database? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816807)

I'm more interested in how many patents it potentially infringes!

OO.o for OS X? (2, Informative)

amichalo (132545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816549)

Not to be off topic, but there was a great OO.o 1.1 based version native to OS X - cannot recall the name.

Has this (yet to be remembered by me) group made any announcement on using the new 2.0 code in their OS X implementation?

Re:OO.o for OS X? (1)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816592)

The marketing page lists native widget support for Windows and Linux (KDE/GNOME), but no mention of OSX.

Re:OO.o for OS X? (4, Informative)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816615)

The most native that I have seen is NeoOffice [neooffice.org] . Native look & feel through carbon and java.

Re:OO.o for OS X? (1, Informative)

Fortun L'Escrot (750434) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816617)

http://www.neooffice.org/ its not ready for prime time. and im not sure (read i havent looked to hard) but i think its on some sort of pause. i have no evidence for any of this.

Re:OO.o for OS X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816651)

You're thinking of NeoOffice -- which plans to support it someday, as I understand it, but it's [sadly] not a priority at this point.

info on http://www.neooffice.org/ [neooffice.org]

Re:OO.o for OS X? (1)

ylon (656206) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816664)

NeoOfficeJ. Very nice, actually using it at the moment. I use both MS Office and NeoOfficeJ as NeoOfficeJ has some features that MS has not implemented well. I'm really hoping they get on the ball somehow with the 2 beta as I'd love to see a true native Open Office for Mac OS X.

Re:OO.o for OS X? (1)

amichalo (132545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816746)

NeoOfficeJ. Very nice, actually using it at the moment. I use both MS Office and NeoOfficeJ as NeoOfficeJ has some features that MS has not implemented well. I'm really hoping they get on the ball somehow with the 2 beta as I'd love to see a true native Open Office for Mac OS X.

Yeah, NeoOfficeJ(ava) [neooffice.org] is the one I was thinking of. Is this project still live? The homepage shows the last "news" posted 12/21/04 (not that OO.o ever updates their website with regularity either).

I applaude these guys and gals who have stepped up to support OS X native while OO.o has backed away from OS X support (X11 is their solution which - to me - is not a solution for the Apple crowd that has always expected more from their user experience.)

I hope that instead of porting to so many languages (40 the site says) they focus on getting these v2.0 features in the Suite.

Re:OO.o for OS X? (2, Funny)

Bonker (243350) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816686)

I heard some time ago that the OO.o project had decided to drop support entirely for OSX.

Which makes me beat my head against the wall. I'm stuck with using Abiword for when I need to open Word documents, or ...GASP... opening them on my PC with Office2k.

I feel like I need to go to a free clinic every time I have to open an O2k app just out of sheer risk of Microsofection.

"Yes, doctor, I installed all the patches. Yes, I leave automatic updates on. Yes I have SP2 installed. No, I didn't notice that rash before I installed sp2."

Torrent link? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816558)

Anybody got a torrent? Or a magnet or ed2k link?

Oh please... (0, Flamebait)

JoeLinux (20366) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816564)

I'm hoping they have gotten rid of butt-ugly, non-intuitive interface and runs faster than an arthritic, diabetic, asthmatic dog. Of course, if they did, it wouldn't be representative of what Open Office has stood for...

Cool splash screen though... :)

UI problems (1)

geeveees (690232) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816568)

OOo that uses GTK for widget drawing? Please?

Re:UI problems (1)

xgamer04 (248962) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816745)

Um,RTFA? It's in there in the "installation and configuration" section. Some guy like two comments up mentioned this too.

Corel Suite (4, Insightful)

DeathFlame (839265) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816571)

The only thing keeping my small office from switching over to OpenOffice is compatability with the Corel Suite, specifically Word Perfect and Quattro Pro.

It used to be what our officed used exclusivley, but several people have been having issues with them. I've slowly started a switch to Open Office, but opening old documents and spreadsheet is impossible with Open Office, if they are any of the Corel Formats.

Re:Corel Suite (5, Informative)

wes33 (698200) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816632)

wordperfect import is supported via the libwpd project. This evidently still needs some work (although wpd2sxw does a good job for me). As the OO people acknowledge (in a linked document):

"the filter needs continuous development to arrest bit-rot, and to improve it's capabilities. Many such developments have already taken place, but are not merged/proposed due to the voracious demands of bureaucratic process, and the commensurate stifling of the will-to-live."

I know the feeling ...

Re:Corel Suite (2, Informative)

Daravon (848487) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816688)

I can't find the link offhand, but my company (which does support work for other local businesses) was able to find a filter for OpenOffice that allowed you to open Corel documents and save them into other formats. The filter wouldn't allow you to save back into the Corel format, but if you're wanting to convert, then you can save the old documents to MS or OOo formatting.

Re:Corel Suite (2, Informative)

mopslik (688435) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816758)

I've slowly started a switch to Open Office, but opening old documents and spreadsheet is impossible with Open Office, if they are any of the Corel Formats.

While conversion might take a good few days, have you tried using Corel's own (slightly older) conversion tool [corel.com] ? Would a simple WP -> Word -> OO.o conversion work? Of course, this wouldn't help you with the Quattro files.

After the initial conversion pains, you should be good to go in OO.o's sxw format.

Re:Corel Suite (5, Informative)

arivanov (12034) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816814)

Well, you simply have not run into the other big OO gremlin yet.

Not a single vector graphics import format works properly.

The ones that barely work (Autocad for example) lose colors and most of the formatting. So if you want to draw a half decent diagram using DIA and import it into an OO presentation you might as well forget it. Your only chance is to export it as a raster image and import it in OO. The result is horrible by all means. Horrible size, horrible visually, horrible in a print form and horrible to edit.

And OO 2.0 does not fix a single one of this issues. Instead of that we get visual candy - KDE widget support. Excuse me, but can we actually get the basic functionality fixed first before we get into Clippy land.

Yay! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816582)

joy.

Rundown of what to expect? (3, Interesting)

Raindance (680694) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816589)

Can someone on the inside of OO.org give a quick rundown on what to expect from this beta RC in terms of stability/usability?

It sounds like "Release Notes, a list of know issues, system requirements are in preparation" but I assume that'll be written for the LCD and hard for folks to get the big picture from.

So... if anybody in the know is out there, what's this release like? How buggy is it? What's the worst-case scenario if I start using it?

RD

Re:Rundown of what to expect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816845)

> What's the worst-case scenario if I start using it?

The big software companies get patents legalized in Europe and start litigation against end users. In the long run you may find M$Office cheaper than defending against M$ lawyers.

Re:Rundown of what to expect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816930)

Bullshit. Name a case where end users have been successfully sued when a company violates a patent.

At worst, OO becomes unavailable and the developers get named in a patent infringement suit which has no chance of success. After a week the infringing code is removed and OO is back.

feature question (1)

nexus987 (683456) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816970)

First off, Kudos to all those involved in OO2 development. I had a quick look at the new features and it's not clear to me what the new "hyperlink()" feature does. I looked at the spec link, but can't figure out what program to use to open the .sxw file. What I'd like is something similar to Excel's "data->import external data->import data" preconfigured stock quotes feature (preferably with finance.yahoo.com data). I know there's a way to do this in the current version of OO, but it looked quite a bit more complicated than the excel version.

Maximum row number (5, Funny)

camcorder (759720) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816590)

At last 65536 rows as Microsoft Excell. Now lots of people will be able to use their xls files on OpenOffice.org as that's the major blocker for those people I know.

Re:Maximum row number (0)

DarkSarin (651985) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816654)

i hope you are trying to be funny

Re:Maximum row number (1)

insanecarbonbasedlif (623558) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816933)

Unfortunately, LARGE flat files are all too common in the workplace.

Re:Maximum row number (2, Informative)

Florian Weimer (88405) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816944)

He isn't joking, I'm afraid. The Cisco GPL ("General Price List") used to have more than 32,000 lines. Apparently, such abuse of Excel as a database (or CSV exchange format replacement) is quite common.

Re:Maximum row number (1)

LinuxHam (52232) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816661)

Unfortunately PivotTables prevents me from switching over. I don't need that many rows. I need the ability to visually slice 'n dice figures mid-conversation with PHBs and C-level executives.

Re:Maximum row number (2, Informative)

no parity (448151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816861)

You mean, like this [richhillsoftware.com] ?

Re:Maximum row number (2, Interesting)

tim256 (855256) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816714)

I downloaded a version of OO 2.0 a few months ago and this 65536 rows feature actually worked. So finally it can replace Excel.

However it seemed like the biggest problems with 1.1 for me was the slow start up time and the fact that it won't open some Excel documents, mostly password protected ones. I hope some of those issues were fixed.

Re:Maximum row number (1)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816809)

My company uses a spread sheet with password protection and lots of stupid VB scripting. I broke the password protection to use thedocument in OOo but with 1.9m69 I still couldn't save it back more or less intact. The last time I tried it buggered all of the VB scripting and in Word it just wouldn't work.

After so many complaints that's still I have to use MS Word. I'm not expecting OOo guys fixing my company's stupid spreadsheet but if it worked it would be so nice...

Speed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816847)

Could someone knowledgeable show us some information about speed of Calc handling such large table? I had bad experience with Excel.

Re:Maximum row number (1)

Lu Xun (615093) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816966)

What in frak's name do you need 65536 rows for?

just curious (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816614)

have any professional (for-profit) organizations switched to OO yet?

Re:just curious (5, Interesting)

niki9 (580026) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816681)

Plenty of small businesses, I'm sure. Mine is one of them, I work for a small design studio in NYC, 5 permanent employees on multiple OS's, all using OO, and most of our consultants do as well.

Re:just curious (3, Interesting)

CompuSwerve (792986) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816848)

I work for a large company that is in the process of switching to OOo now... Quite a few users are already MSO free, and I believe everyone will be done sometime this year. Not a lot of complications that I know of so far other than some scripts, macros, etc., that didn't quite make it but were easily converted, and some of the PowerPoint stuff doesn't come through right. Other than that, I have heard very few complaints.

Re:just curious (1)

Boogaroo (604901) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816881)

Have they set it to allow 8.5x11 pages without all the hassle of having to make new templates and forcing you to set ten different things just to make it work nicely in the US?

Or is it still impossible to change the A4 size? :(

StarOffice 8 (beta) (2, Informative)

SignificantBit (677809) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816623)

Just in case StarOffice 8 beta is also available here [sun.com] .
A month ago I installed a pre-relase build of OpenOffice.org (not the RC) and run very very slowly and buggy. Then, i download and try StarOffice 8 and it run beautiful.
I assume OO.org RC must be at the same stability/maturity level as Sun beta is.

Re:StarOffice 8 (beta) (1)

panurge (573432) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816858)

Yes, SO8 beta runs very nicely, thank you. The beta program runs till roughly the end of March, and it's worth looking at, IMHO. I may be old, mad and past it, but I actually liked SO7 and preferred it enough to the current OO enough to buy it. I suspect I will feel the same about SO8. And no, I do not work for Sun or any of their partners.

The Access database front end works surprisingly well in SO8 beta, though I've only tried it so far with MySQL 4.1 and MSDE.

Interestingly for me, in one application that is important to us where a document is created and formatted remotely by connecting to an Office service, the main portability issue is between different Word generations, not between OO and Word. The latest SO8/OO release looks to me as if it will be more compatible with MS Office 2003/XP than earlier versions.

Looking forward (1)

AdamReyher (862525) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816644)

I've been debating switching completely to OO. As soon as I get sufficient support for my needs, I'm over fully. Hopefully 2.0 will be this threshold. Either way, I'm looking forward to playing around with it.

Re:Looking forward (1)

Second_Infinity (810308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816751)

I switched a long while back. For an every-so-often I-need-a-nice-text-editor getup, it really shines. (FC3) I have switched my father's company completely to Open Office, away from Office 2000 - and it fits their needs perfectly. (Windows XP)

But dang, I didn't want to have to go install a new version at his office! Of course should this release eliminate some of the quirks of V1, it will be worth it.

Center page in window in Writer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816656)

I typically zoom out from the page in Writer so much so that it is either fully viewable in the window or close to it. Unfortunately, that means the page is stuffed in the upper left hand corner of the window like this [12.203.169.252] .

Is there a way to center the page in the window horizontally? Is this fixed? If not and I submit a bug report, is there any chance this'll get fixed?

I can't wait (4, Interesting)

Schlemphfer (556732) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816662)

I suspect I'm always going to be a WordPerfect fan, at least when I'm trying to do real writing instead of just get business done. But I'm nevertheless so grateful that OpenOffice.org exists.

Just today, I got a friggin' Excel spreadsheet from my distributor. They wanted me to complete it and send it back to them. It would kill me to fork over my hard-earned dough for Microsoft Office, but thanks to OpenOffice.org I never have to. I just fired up the OpenOffice spreadsheet, inserted the data, saved it as an .xls file, and my distributor won't have any idea I don't even own Microsoft Office.

This wasn't the time and place, but whenever I get a chance I tell people they can probably get by with OpenOffice.org instead of purchasing Microsoft Office. OpenOffice 1.1 is more than good enough for most tasks, so I can't wait to see how good 2.0 is. It's always nice to use a fantastic product that also just happens to keep me from having to pay the Microsoft tax.

Maybe at parties... (1)

GIL_Dude (850471) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816728)

To answer your question posed in your signature... Maybe at parties you get drunk and confuse Microsoft licensing fees with taxes? Oh wait, that was here...

Re:I can't wait (1, Insightful)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816764)

I just fired up the OpenOffice spreadsheet, inserted the data, saved it as an .xls file, and my distributor won't have any idea I don't even own Microsoft Office.

Which gives them exactly ZERO impetus to switch away from MS formats.

Re:I can't wait (1)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816871)

Following my experience with 1.9 series it won't make a lot of change for me. If you have footers and headers leaden with graphics, OOo 1.9 (tested upto m79) performs poorly. Basic graphs are OK but today I managed to print a large document which had a transparent background image, when printed it brought the image to the foreground and left the text in the background. Instant waste paper, poor dead tree.

If only it would just get better. Every time it crashed I tried my best to report the problem back but the agent would never work with the password-protected proxy.

Load times are improved by having one of those blasphemous "pre-load" options. Instead of waiting 20 seconds to load now I load it once when I start my PC and spend 200000 seconds in a reboot cycle waiting my PC to swap in and out of disk. Neat.

It says WriterPerfect is integrated now (1)

Rikardon (116190) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816948)

From TFA:

"WriterPerfect filter (Writer): The WordPerfect import filter is supported. You can now open a WordPerfect document in OpenOffice.org"

It's in the table "Interoperability with Microsoft Office and other products."

"Impress" presentation engine features? (1)

amichalo (132545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816669)

Okay, so the 1.1 to 2.0 feature guide [openoffice.org] shows there is a new "presentaiton engine" called Impress (PowerPoint?) but it only lists this:

New Presentation engine

spec link


"spec link" is not a link at all, just text.

Anyone have any Impress specs to disclose?

Also, Draw got only one entry in the otherwise lengthy document for the addition of "CustomShape" that allows 3D extrusions:

The Drawing Toolbar has been reworked to provide a rich set of new commonly used drawing shapes such as: Basic, Block Arrow, Symbol, Flowchart and Stars & Banners . Furthermore the huge number of different arrow types in our lines and connectors toolbox has been reduced.

The geometry of CustomShapes is editable by the user through modifier handles. CustomShapes can be converted to 3-D through extrusion and provide 3-D effects for Fontwork. They can be imported / exported to commonly known formats without loss.


Could this be used for a CAD module in the future?

Re:"Impress" presentation engine features? (1)

IntergalacticWalrus (720648) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816911)

Actually, the current Presentation module in OOo is already called Impress. That is except in Ximian's version, which removed all fancy names.

But I just got done compiling OpenOffice 1.0 . . . (2, Funny)

bahamat (187909) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816685)

. . . wait, that's a kernel joke. Crap!

Does that come with or without MSFT virus protect? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816692)

You know, where it tells you that Firefox is a virus?

After all, it's not really Office compatible if it doesn't try to spread FUD...

I Just Switched to NeoOffice J Today and . . . (2, Interesting)

autosentry (595252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816699)

I didn't see ANYTHING about it a few hours ago. At least for Mac Os X. I find that really weird. It's nice that there's a new Open Office, but the old one has successfully driven me insane with the long waits. NeoOfficeJ seems to be only slightly better, but that's good enough for me. I don't know that I'd try the new one unless I hear rave reviews. And I mean *rave*. Ready to be modded troll in 3, 2 . . .

Why is this filed under "Linux" ?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816710)

Since when is openoffice Linux-only ?

I just downloaded the Windows-Version of it, just to make you feel bad.

Beta candidate? (2, Funny)

Repton (60818) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816725)

What does that mean?

"Please let us know if you have any problems. We'll go through a couple of release candidates and then, once it's stable enough, we'll release it as a beta and you can all start testing it!"

Re:Beta candidate? - What about startup speed? (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816873)

For me, it's the startup speed; 31 seconds on SuSE 9.2 with KDE! Why won't "the team" team up and reduce this time? I also wonder whether we shall have macros and modules in its database component just as M$ Access does.

I hope things will improve since this is just a release candidate.

Where is the grammar checker? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816738)

How can they be seriously expect a major revision when it doesn't even have one of the most requested features? There are open source tools around, shouldn't that be their jobs to include them? All these macho talks about 'we don't need stinking grammar checkers' are coming back to bite the developers' back ends.

2 things about 2.0 (1)

DarkMantle (784415) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816743)

  1. This is hardly New developments [slashdot.org] in OOo. But more like a reminder.
  2. I hope they fixed the bug that hit me yesterday. Writing a new document in writer. Hit save, give it a name, click the save button. And it crashes on me. Had to recover the document and save again. At least the recovery works. ;) It didn't do it the second time tho.

Now smaller! (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816763)

Anyone noticed that it is about 30megs smaller than the previous verison.

Wonder why...

Re:Now smaller! (4, Funny)

narcc (412956) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816924)

Reminds me of a technical support story where a user called to complain that the new version of the software he purchased came on fewer disks than the previous version -- and wanted to know if they were shorting him on features.

new features (1)

secretsquirel (805445) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816766)

When am I gonna get my freaking pivot table wizard though! I don't use Excel and I've been dying to find out what the fuck it does.

I miss Clarisworks (2, Interesting)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816776)

It was written by real geeks you could trust: http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bob/bobandscott.jpg [mit.edu]

Created in the shadow of Mt. Hood: http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bob/hood.jpg [mit.edu]

Sigh. Everything was so simple and clean back then.

All these new office suites make me feel depressed, and they make baby Jesus cry.

:(

Beta Candidate?? (4, Funny)

chris09876 (643289) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816781)

Is this a beta candidate? The only thing worse than google having betas for years is a company releasing a beta candidate.

User Interface de-Windows-ized? (2, Interesting)

amigabill (146897) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816784)

>Native system theme integration (native widget rendering)

Does the descriotion for this mean that the user interface will now ACT like the native OS interface, or just LOOK like it now? My main gripe with OOo is that it seemed to try and emulate the MS Windows user interface in its operating window. While it seems the widgets drawn will no longer be trying to look like MS Windows widgets, I'm more interested in how I'll interact with the program.

If it's still an MS Windows-like _interaction_ then I'll still be less happy than if it used native OS style user interactions, in terms of actualy scrolling the scrollbars and other stuff that don't feel like they're Solaris or Linux interactions in 1.x versions. The user interactions in MS Windows is the major reason I don't get along with it well, and was disappointed to see older OOo versions trying to bring that baggage to different OSes that I otherwise got along with better.

track changes? (1)

icebrrrg (123867) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816816)

does anyone know if oo is supporting change tracking? that's a feature i rely heavily on at work, and would be a huge boon to those corporate users ...

Re:track changes? (3, Informative)

ictyl (52141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816907)

I would assume that version 2.0 of OO.o will support track changes, since the version 1.1.3 that I am running does... (look in the Edit->Changes submenu)

It has even worked with the MSWord track changes the few times I have tried it.

Impress Templates (4, Interesting)

dduardo (592868) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816834)

When is OOo going to include more standard templates. To most people, Impress is useless because it doesn't come with a sufficient amount of bundled templates. Sure you can find more online, but people used to MS Office are not going to deal with that.

Re:Impress Templates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816885)

As soon as someone (hey, how about...You!) makes them and shares them with the community.

Re:Impress Templates (4, Interesting)

dduardo (592868) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816958)

That's exactly the problem. Many people, including myself don't have any artistic skill. That's why we need the bundled tmeplates.

column limit (2, Interesting)

JRob007 (704655) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816836)

I don't understand why they want to copy Excel so tightly. The 256 column limit is a real problem. I regularly use data sets that have more then 256 columns. I will adopt OO.o as my main office suite when that is overcome. Until then, quatro pro will have to do.

Re:column limit (2, Funny)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816973)

I don't understand why they want to copy Excel so tightly. The 256 column limit is a real problem. I regularly use data sets that have more then 256 columns. I will adopt OO.o as my main office suite when that is overcome. Until then, quatro pro will have to do.

Try normalizing your data.

Outlook Compatibility? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816851)

When will there be a Outlook clone for OO? It's the only reason I own Office, and the reason that my office (13 computers) runs Office as well (since OO has similar features to Word and Excel).

What Open Office Really Needs... (4, Insightful)

osewa77 (603622) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816854)

is to work exactly like MS Office. Let's learn from the success of Firefox (vs Mozilla). Shortcuts, Menus, should be similar even if functionality is different. So people can migrate from Word without noticing the difference.

Looks good (2, Interesting)

Daath (225404) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816894)

On my Windows install, it installed in half the time 1.1.4 did, didn't say anything about java (which it usually does), the splash it better looking.

I have two issues with this version in my short test, one was that they removed the program shortcuts from the "Quick Starter" in the tray?! Why on earth would they do that? Now the only thing you can do with the quick start is decide if it should load at windows start, and exit it.

The second thing is that I chose File - Wizards - Install new dictionaries - Chose the language I wanted to install, and then nothing happens when you press the "Start DocOOo"-button, so no automated installation of dictionaries I guess.

XML encryption algorithm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11816943)

From the new features guide:

"Digital signatures offer secure protection of document content. The new XML (eXtensible Markup Language) encryption algorithm offers additional security."

Well, the page title does say "marketing", so i'm not surprised...

Great! (1)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11816976)

OO.org is great.. I just wish it would start a bit faster. I thought this was one of the goals for 2.0.

Anyway, congrats to the OO.org team! It's not easy diving in on that much code and making sense of the everything.
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