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Intel Flaunts Mac mini Knock-off

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the when-you've-got-it dept.

Intel 1092

Rollie Hawk writes "Remember how the Mac mini was designed by Apple to steal PC customers? Now Intel wants to steal them back. Adopting a shockingly similar lunch box shape and light-weight design, Intel's upcoming Mini PC features all the sleekness and portability (physical, that is) of the Mac mini with none of the Mac benefits. Well, at least it will probably have a faster processor. Now if only someone would make a Cobalt Qube knock-off for me."

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i is for innovation (5, Funny)

oftheapes (837835) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833385)

It's good to see innovation coming from Intel.

Now I remember why I buy AMD.

first post (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833386)

apple sucks!

it's an empty case (5, Informative)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833398)

built soley for show..

they haven't done anything but stick a clock on the face of an empty stylish plastic box yet.

apple is shipping....

Re:it's an empty case (3, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833474)

built soley for show.. they haven't done anything but stick a clock on the face of an empty stylish plastic box yet. apple is shipping....

Sounds like what you'll find a lot of at a CES. Seriously, there was something called The Brick ages ago, so this still isn't anything new. And what about all this Mini ITX stuff which has been around for years? Next...

Re:it's an empty case (5, Interesting)

johnpaul191 (240105) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833645)

the current mini ITX board will not fit inside the Mac Mini's case if you are trying to get the same footprint.... remember when Kevin Rose from TechTV tried to put a windows running thing in the Mac Mini case? he used a pre-release nano-ITX mobo.
This intel mockup is an empty plastic box with a wristwatch glued to the front. while Kevin could not fit in an optical drive, he got a lot farther than Intel did.
on top of that the Mac Mini has some extra room and an unused internal firewire connection that this week sparked speculation of possible future revision, or that the rumored built in iPod dock was in the plans at some point.

http://www.kevinrose.com/index.php/weblog/comments /project_mini_pc/ [kevinrose.com]

Re:it's an empty case (5, Insightful)

JHromadka (88188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833500)

Has the PC industry really gotten that bad so that they don't do anything but copy Apple? First eMachines copies the iMac, now Intel is trying to show that PCs can be mini too. I know it's a mockup, but do something original instead of copying the color of the mini.

Why is it so hard to make a decent-looking case that doesn't look like someone riced it up with stupid lights or clear plastic? I just ordered the parts to build a PC, and the hardest part was finding a case that didn't look like crap. I wasn't successful.

Re:it's an empty case (5, Insightful)

ghoti (60903) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833611)


I just ordered the parts to build a PC, and the hardest part was finding a case that didn't look like crap. I wasn't successful.

This is really interesting. Since I've seen (and eventually bought ;) an Apple Powerbook, all those black plastic PC laptops make me want to puke. They just look like total crap. And even when companies like Samsung try to copy the Apple look, the results look ugly.
Same with desktops. Why can't somebody come up with a decent design? And why are the Apple guys able to just get it right? And not just once, but most of their stuff looks really amazing. It's not like there aren't any designers out there ...

Re:it's an empty case (5, Insightful)

emilymildew (646109) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833638)

Mention that the next time someone talks about how outrageously expensive Macs are. Design costs money. Designers cost money.

Re:it's an empty case (1)

fribhey (731586) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833614)

you forgot all the ipod rip offs and ipod interface rip offs and eMachines wasn't the only company to rip off the imac, back in 1998 gateway had their own imac rip off but it didn't sell because it looked stupid......

Re:it's an empty case (1)

leinhos (143965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833648)

from the article:

Thus far, the concept PC is just a piece of plastic, literally, although its design showed a clock display and optical drive in front, with ports such as USB, optical audio and FireWire in the back.

So this is just a concept mockup (no one has actually made a real PC that actually fits the "Mini" form factor). Just more proof that Apple leads, and the others follow (or try). I'd like to see a PC manufacturer actually make this happen with out the thing sounding like a hair dryer.

Modding (1)

Zebadias (861722) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833401)

Yay now mod a G5 to fit inside!

"Intel Inside" (1)

sailforsingapore (833339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833491)

I think it would be wonderful to have a little sticker on the front of that box: "G5 Inside"...or, perhaps for now: "Plastic Inside"

cobalt qube? (2, Interesting)

selfabuse (681350) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833403)

Get one off ebay, and stuff it w/ a mini or nano-itx board. A bit more work then just buying something from a manufacturer, but you've got more freedom in what you put in it, and you keep the small form factor and really cool lookin' case.

Re:cobalt qube? (1)

Caspian (99221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833615)

The Qube is not nearly as small as the Mac Mini, though, is it?

Yeah but, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833404)

how much porn can is hold.

Ummm... (1)

sandstorming (850026) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833406)

Can Anyone say Shuttle PC?

Re:Ummm... (1)

gloth (180149) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833527)

For one, Shuttle PCs are still a fair amount bigger than this; and not as pretty either. I've actually been looking around for something like the Mac Mini, but PC based, for a good while. Admittedly, I haven't been looking all that hard. Care to point out a complete system (except for monitor, mouse, keyboard), that's PC based and the size, power and price of a Mac Mini?

Re:Ummm... (1)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833613)

Can Anyone say Shuttle PC?

"Shuttle PC!"

Small and quiet really is the new overclocking. A lot of PC makers have been working on smaller models for a long time, but they really have to work hard to queeze the same features as a normal size box has (and most customers demand) into a small size box with all the heat problems. So far only Shuttle seem to make a lot of profit from what I've heard. That box was really pathetically similar to the MiniMac though.

A SFF computer is a great choice, if you know what you are getting. NOT a gaming station. High end processors and graphics cards just generate too much heat inside that small box, you will get problems. Especially if you try to do overclocking (do people still do that? Why do reviewers keep talking about it?). In my opinion they are not a good choice for businesses either unfortunately. They are too cramped to work in if a support guy need to make a quick upgrade or replace a problematic part.

They are perfect as a home entertainment center, or as a computer where you mainly do stuff like surf, mail, develop... Much higher family acceptance factor than a big beige box with a loud fan.

Link for fans of small-is-beautiful:
http://www.sfftech.com [sfftech.com]

Interesting. (2, Interesting)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833408)

i was all like, yeah whatever, new small computer - horray. Then, i looked at this shot [zdnet.com] and now i kinda really want one :)

...so long as it can pull its weight doing the media junk in the house.

Re:Interesting. (1)

NoMercy (105420) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833430)

It's dang small, but I can't say I'm drawn to it by it's appearance, definately something I'd have to throw a blanket over.

Agreed. (1)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833517)

Were our a/v junk not behind smoked glass in the cabinet, i'd be more concerned.This little guy could hide away in some nice small spots and it's been crowded in there for a bit.

Re:Interesting. (1)

NivenHuH (579871) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833446)

Funny, I had an opposite reaction. The machine looks like someone took their mac mini and mangled it by trying to mod it.. ;)

Wait until someone trys to market one... (1)

gubbas (651881) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833533)

...then Apple will sue it to death. Remember the eMachines eOne? Looked just like an iMac, but had the heart of the Intel inside. I'll bet Apples lawyers are all chomping the bit to be the first to repress this one too.

Re:Interesting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833555)

You know it's an empty box, right? I prefer my mac mini; it actually has a computer inside!

IT'S CALLED A LAPTOP (1)

hydroxy (863799) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833600)

Probably end up cheaper once you buy KB, Mouse, 15-16" LCD. It also comes with batteries! Seeing as how the only reason for a "portable" pc such as the Mac-Mini would be if you have a really long extension cord....

Not "Upcoming"! (5, Informative)

Some guy named Chris (9720) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833409)

From the second paragraph of the article: " It's unlikely that Intel itself would build such a device."

Then, the article clearly goes on to say that this is a empty plastic shell, designed merely to inspire Intel's partners, not an example of any upcoming Intel product. I guess that doesn't sound as exciting and inflamatory, though.

What Benifit? (-1, Flamebait)

JavaLord (680960) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833410)

Intel's upcoming Mini PC features all the sleekness and portability (physical, that is) of the Mac Mini with none of the Mac benefits.

What exactly are Mac benefits? Not having any good software for their platform, or being overpriced? I'm sure Intels mini PC will have neither of those 'benefits'.

Can slashdot just report the news without pushing an agenda?

Nope (1)

gandell (827178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833462)

I believe the benefits they're referring to are:
1.) Less chance of spyware / viral infections.
2.) Not having to patch the OS on a weekly basis.
3.) Being built on a decent shell.

Of course, you make a valid point about the software, but compare Mac's share of software with Linux's, and...well...

Re:Nope (1)

Caspian (99221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833549)

It always kinda bothers me when people say that Linux doesn't have software.

What Linux doesn't have in quantity constitutes two things: commercial software, and quality games. Period.

Linux has plenty of software if you're, say, a systems administrator looking for systems administration tools, or a programmer looking for development tools.

It even has plenty of games, but they all seem to be Pac-Man knockoffs and puzzle games that remind one of the contents of a Windows shareware catalog circa 1990. ;) Commercial games, or large and detailed commercial-quality games that are GPLed, are much rarer than in the Windows world.

Now (even though I'm responding directly to your point, I have to keep this related to the original topic (Mac Minis and knockoffs thereof, and by extension PC vs. Mac) or some jerkwad will mod me "Off-Topic")... Macs can use 99% of the Linux stuff anyhow. (Interestingly, Windows can use most--maybe 50-90%?-- of it too, by virtue of stuff like Cygwin and whatnot, but those are kluges.)

Re:What Benifit? (2, Funny)

powermung (780700) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833468)

From the article:

"Thus far, the concept PC is just a piece of plastic, literally, although its design showed a clock display and optical drive in front, with ports such as USB, optical audio and FireWire in the back."

Apparently the CPU, motherboard, and all the other stuff that comprises a computer.

Re:What Benifit? (2, Interesting)

Claire-plus-plus (786407) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833472)

I'm no Mac bigot. In fact I don't care what OS people use but I must say that Macs do have benefits over PCs, ease of use and lack of spyware for a start. However, PCs have benefits over macs as well. And SHOCK HORROR macs and pcs have advantages over linux while linux has advantages over both.

My favorite computer is my PS2 and my second favorite is my Cheap-n-crappy DVD player.

Re:What Benifit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833601)

A mac is a type of computer ,a PC is type of a computer , linux is a kernel and runs on both.

Re:What Benifit? (1)

jla0 (644106) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833482)

Huh? A little something called MacOS X? Ease of use? INOVATIVE design?

Re:What Benifit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833587)

Huh? A little something called MacOS X? Ease of use? INOVATIVE design?

Bah.. Apple would be better off if they just scrapped OS X altogether and just put money into improving Gnome. Then port there shitty iApps to Gnome/Linux but keep them PowerPC-only so they can still have their lockin.

Re:What Benifit? (2)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833485)

Not having any good software for their platform

Define "good software". Are you referring to business and graphic design software? Or, are you just worried about the most recent FPS?

Re:What Benifit? (1)

who got my name (846949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833488)

Could you please ellaborate on what do you mean by "good" software and "over-priced" hardware? I just do not feel your argument.

Re:What Benifit? (1, Flamebait)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833502)

Wow, flamebait already? How dare you make a point about an extremely biased opinion in the /. news! Burn, demon, burn!

I've yet to see anything good about a Mac. What Mac fans consider good, I consider "limiting". Mac users want a tool; I want a toy. If I wanted a tool, I'd buy a shovel.

[ P.S. It's "benefit" :) ]

Re:What Benefit? (1)

Proteus (1926) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833647)

I've yet to see anything good about a Mac. What Mac fans consider good, I consider "limiting". Mac users want a tool; I want a toy. If I wanted a tool, I'd buy a shovel.

I don't know if that's true. Now, I'm no Mac fanboy -- I don't own one, and I won't buy an iPod (no FLAC, no OGG, I don't use iTunes... why would I want to pay that much?). But I'd disagree with the "toy vs. tool" desires of Mac users. What I've found is that people who use Macs want something that will "just work" with relatively little hassle. These are the "no maintenance" people who take their car to the dealer for an oil change; they place convenience and simplicity higher than cost and flexibility.

Now, I see nothing inherently wrong about that. Mac hardware is solid, and the OS is one of the best around (despite my personal distaste for it). But, you pay, and pay, and pay -- and when you're through paying, you have a machine that you can't dig into or modify to the extent you can a PC. Apple is realizing that some people want such flexibility, and they are slowly supplying it (OS/X has a CLI, for Cthulu's sake), but they are being understandably cautious about alienating their core customers.

The dichotomy I see is that both PC and Mac users want a tool/toy -- that is, they want a tool, but something they can play with as well -- but that Mac users value convenience and a pleasant, consistent interface over cost and flexibility, while PC users tend to value low cost (relatively), ubiquity, and high flexibility (e.g. think how many GUI's are available for x86, and how many themes for them, etc.).

Re:What Benifit? (2)

MPHellwig (847067) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833535)

No good software? You mean those overpriced games? Anything else is in one way or another availible for the mac, you might need VirtualPC though.
Being overpriced? How in * name can you call the mini overprized? If you want comparible performance with a commercial OS you will at least pay the same if not more.
The benefit of a mac is that most things work the way it supposed to do instead of not working or working but not the way it supposed to.

But anyway it's a nice wrapped up troll, you fooled me.

Re:What Benifit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833562)

Can slashdot just report the news without pushing an agenda?


1) The agenda is being pushed by the submitter, not Slashdot.

2) Slashdot editors are not journalists. This is not a news outlet. It's a news aggregation service, with attendant fora. To think otherwise is as ignorant as the hicks in the Yahoo! news boards who bitch about Yahoo!'s shitty or biased reporting of the news. As if Yahoo! has a news team.

3) Macs are better than PCs. Now chill the fuck out.

Re:What Benifit? (2, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833584)

Its so flamebait but Im going to bite and not mod it down more.

Um last I checked a PC of equal capabilitys with the software that Apple bundles was found to be 700 dollars, well over the asking price of a Mac mini and even a shuttle PC cant come close to the size of it (or the price since the smaller form stuff is more money)

Likewise in a typical wintel fashon you completely glossed over OS X relitivly bug free and virus free workspace. Likewise just about everyone forgets that more software doesnt mean more quality. Everyone bitches that macs dont have any software when the REAL truth is

Macs dont have any games

Well hate to break it to you but I use Vectorworks and Office at work, and I honestly couldnt tell you the last time I had the time to play counterstrike.

Re:What Benifit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833597)

I think most people think of "it just works" and "ease of use" when it comes to "Mac benefits".

Fabulous (0, Troll)

Angry Toad (314562) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833413)

I've wanted a media PC for the living room for a long time - this looks like the right form factor for me, and it has the inherent OS flexibility of a PC platform.

Re:Fabulous (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833478)

It's not a real computer, just a plastic mock-up. However, there are lots of mini-itx systems to choose from today. Pop in an HD tuner (get'em before they're illegal!), install MythTV and you're all set. Or if you're lazy like me, get a TiVo :)

Re:Fabulous (1)

dtk13 (859114) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833531)

Along with that... Can any one say s.s.s.f.i.t.b* running linux! ---- *Super Small Server Farm In The Basement.

Re:Fabulous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833592)

http://www.homepage-host.uni.cc/p/nespc/index.html

I'm going to switch (4, Interesting)

SamSeaborn (724276) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833414)

I'm a long-time PC user that's finally had enough. I'm switching to a Mac mini, but I'm waiting for the next hardware update (probably in August, I'm guessing?) and for Tiger to be released.

Sam

Wow, Deja Vu (-1, Troll)

Claire-plus-plus (786407) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833415)

At least this innovation wasn't stolen from Xerox first.

Re:Wow, Deja Vu (2, Interesting)

SamSeaborn (724276) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833580)

If it wasn't for companies like Apple, there would be NO innovation in the computing world.

There's a world of original ideas in the universe, but the PC world repeatedly chooses to steal Apple's designs.

The only reason there's PC cases in colors other than beige is because Apple created the iMac. The only reason there's a Windows "XP" is because there was a Mac OS "X". The only reason you can import and organize music with Windows Media Player is because Apple created iTunes. The only reason there's a Windows Movie Maker is because Apple created iMovie. The only reason there's slim lightweight Pentium M class laptops is because Apple created the PowerBook. And now, the only reason Intel is floating this mini PC is because Apple created the Mac mini.

Apple takes all the creative risks. Thank goodness for the innovations of companies like Apple, Google, and those Linux rebels. Or we'd all be using big beige boxes and Windows 95. (Heck! There wouldn't even be a Windows 95 if it wasn't for OS/2 and Geoworks!)

Sam

Re:Wow, Deja Vu (1)

packslash (788926) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833583)

I know your a troll but atleast get you facts straight apple didn't steal from xerox.

Re:Wow, Deja Vu (1)

Claire-plus-plus (786407) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833652)

well, I'm not a troll, and as far as I know Apple did steal from xerox. The only debate I have ever seen on the issue is on exactly how much of the Apple Mac OS was invented by Xerox PARC. Not that I care. Hell they are all Von Neumann machines anyway. A computer is a computer is a computer.

Just an empty shell (3, Informative)

Nuclear Elephant (700938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833416)

Intel has a habit of showing off empty shell concepts and hoping that some manufacturer will pick it up. It's highly likely that this was the case here - no new product yet, just a plastic case that looks kinda like a Mac Mini.

Re:Just an empty shell (1)

lisaparratt (752068) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833458)

...because *no one* would rip off the Mac Mini design without Intel's say so. *sigh* Why do these big corporates think of themselves so highly?

Big Woop (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833420)

Everybody rips off everybody.
How bout a summary that tells me what it has, what it doesn't, and how much it costs?

And why is an Intel machine in the Apple section?!

Re:Big Woop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833519)

Everybody rips off everybody.
How bout a summary that tells me what it has, what it doesn't, and how much it costs?

And why is an Intel machine in the Apple section?!

Cool. (2, Funny)

blobzorz (864386) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833424)

It's cool and all, but its just not a Mac -------- http://onticfusion.sytes.net/ [sytes.net]

Still Misses The Point (4, Insightful)

MooseByte (751829) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833431)


Intel can make whatever shaped/sized box they want, but it's still going to ship with Windows for Joe Consumer. A box that can get easily 0wned is what people are growing weary of. Mac Mini targets those folks as well as iPod users (not necessarily separate groups there). This knock-off once again misses the point.

What makes this interesting is how well it runs Linux. Otherwise.... pfffft!

Re:Still Misses The Point (3, Insightful)

to_kallon (778547) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833557)

A box that can get easily 0wned is what people are growing weary of
certainly true. however, let us not forget that osx is not perfect either. nor, thou it saddens me to admit it, is linux. as marketshare shifts toward these from windows, which i sincerely hope it continues to do, they will also be targeted for all manner of exploits. the point of comparison is how well they deal with being targeted. i think it would be difficult to react in a worse way than microsoft.
on a side note, i don't understand the point of showing off an empty box. given some cardboard, paint, and a small digital clock i could have made something that looks similar.
this is not innovation!

Re:Still Misses The Point (5, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833640)

Heh, I think you hit on the biggest linux security threat there is: People who believe Linux's security to be infallible and thus do nothing to protect their machine. I wonder what it will take to knock the complacency out of people.

qube (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833432)

but its fugly like your mum

Didn't people learn w/ the iMac? (5, Interesting)

hydroxy (863799) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833436)

They always seem to want to copy what Apple does... but they muck it up and end up going nowhere with it. I would think that they would have learned after everyone and their mother tried to copy the iMac with no success.

the question becomes... (2, Funny)

sailforsingapore (833339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833437)

Why would anyone want a computer that could aptly be described as looking like a lunchbox?

Re:the question becomes... (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833509)

You must be new here...in a nutshell, most /.'s have a hard-on for anything that harkens back to the days of Sparc IPX cases, Sparc pizza boxes and Compaq luggables. I've owned two of those myself at some point in time.

Re:the question becomes... (1)

sailforsingapore (833339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833585)

I mean...I owned a few old HP desktops of this general shape (that had the moniter resting on top of them). Invariably, I (or one of my lunkhead friends) would set a drink down on top of it, spill it through the fan vents along the top, and release the magic blue smoke. After which, it would not function.

Re:the question becomes... (1)

Biff Stu (654099) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833655)

Well...If it had Scooby Doo and his gang or the X-Men painted on the side, I would be excited.

Uh... (4, Funny)

NardofDoom (821951) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833441)

Thus far, the concept PC is just a piece of plastic, literally, although its design showed a clock display and optical drive in front, with ports such as USB, optical audio and FireWire in the back.

Way to go there, Intel. Suprisingly, it's about as functional as any XP machine once it's been let onto the Internet(s).

pathetic attempt (5, Insightful)

PureCreditor (300490) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833465)

If Intel is truly the industrial leader (true)and innovator (questionable), then they should come up with a radically different concept PC to compete with Mac mini, and yet can target the same audience. Having a carbon-copy of Mac mini is the same as saying :

their design is superior, the only thing special about ours....we use a x86 cpu!!

Reminds me of Creative Zen looking awfully similar to the iPod mini, but much uglier colors.

Re:pathetic attempt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833529)

their design is superior, the only thing special about ours....we use a x86 cpu!!

"Special"? Yeah, "special" as in, "took the short bus to school."

it's a small, rectangular box, you fucknut (-1, Troll)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833589)

is this patented by apple, now?

Re:pathetic attempt (2, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833629)

look.. mac mini is not the first small computer out there. cappucino was released.. when? back in 1999? sheesh.

reminds of mac heads turning a blind eye to whats happening in the world of computing outside of apple untill apple comes out with something.

(i got an ibook here though, but shit, mac mini isn't exactly the groundbreaker)

Lawsuit time (1)

I_am_Rambi (536614) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833475)

Watch out intel. Apple will sue. Anyone remember the iMac vs. the eMachine look alike?
Ready...3...2...1... fight!

Paster Processor (1)

COMON$ (806135) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833479)

Define faster Processor...kind of hard to compare the two...

Can you say "lawsuit"? (3, Insightful)

Caspian (99221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833487)

That case looks JUST like a Mac Mini. Almost identical. It reminds me of the iMac knockoffs (I'm talking about the original iMacs which came in one colour (Bondi blue) and looked vaguely like a gumdrop) that came out shortly after the launch of that product.

I like how they blindly follow any mac design (2, Funny)

GatesGhost (850912) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833498)

its just really pathetic how they just copied mac's design, only changing the color and adding some lame ass stripe on it. apple should make their next computer a piece of shit and see if intel tries to follow suit.

Jeebus (1, Interesting)

Wellington Primrose (844561) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833513)

What the hell is happening to the PC industry? It used to be all about making better faster machines with more features and now the trend is to make smaller machines with less features????? Hardly makes any sense to me.

A computer is a tool, not a toy, when did we see a shift from functionality to marketing spin?

Actually though, this may be a good thing for my business as I'll continue to purchase full featured tools from Dell, and I'll continue to thirve, while others buy cool little toys that cost more and do less.

Man, the world is a whacky place these days.

Re:Jeebus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833621)

>>> A computer is a tool, not a toy, when did we see a shift from functionality to marketing spin?
>>>

And you win the naivete award of the year. People will spend $45k on a $20k service truck with added leather seats, CD player and some stupid marketing he-man SUV name pasted on it.

As long as we have the rich and the poor, we'll sell the same thing to both and charge two different prices!!!

Re:Jeebus (1)

slimak (593319) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833641)

For most users the current crop of machines have more than enough computing power. I would rather have a small computer with enough (or a little more) power than I need than a monster box with 5x more features than I could ever use. Maybe thats just me though, my car only has a 4 cylinder engine (but 2 cams! woo hoo).

Not if faster means hotter (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833530)

Unless the Intel processors are cool enough to run without noisy fans or melting any DVDs placed in it, it's not going to make it as a media box.

inspiration? (1)

castlec (546341) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833532)

inspire looks all you want intel. until you can inspire a price competitive with the mac mini, it's not going anywhere. i won't say the mac mini is the be-all end-all but, in my opinion, it's pretty hefty competition.

I still don't understand... (2, Insightful)

Gruneun (261463) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833537)

Why does this or the Mac Mini qualify as news?

Mini-ITX boards and their tiny cases have been around for years. Nano-ITX, while relatively new, was announced many months before the Mac Mini or this empty box from Intel.

Getting excited because certain manufacturers suddenly uses an existing technology does nothing more than show bias toward a company. At the very least, the post could fake some credibility by talking about trends towards smaller computers.

flamewars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833541)

"with none of the Mac benefits...."

OK, let's start. Windows on the left, Mac on the right. And just for fun, Linux can be the meat in the sandwich!

Let the flame wars begin!

PC benifits (-1, Troll)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833545)

Intel's upcoming Mini PC features all the sleekness and portability (physical, that is) of the Mac Mini with none of the Mac benefits.

And mac mini will not have any of the pc benifits. Mac zealots never miss an oppurtunity to piss on PC.

Faster Processor (2, Informative)

COMON$ (806135) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833546)

Define Faster Processor.

http://www.barefeats.com/macvpc.html

I always love to hear from people who equate MHz with speed and and power.

only if Intel says it's okay... (5, Funny)

qwertphobia (825473) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833553)

Let me see if I have this right...

Apple creates something beautiful again, and everybody says "Wow, it's perfect, but it's an Apple".

Then within a few months {"Intel", "Dell", "Microsoft", "Compaq"} tells the rest of the world "it's alright, go ahead and start copying Apple".

So everybody does, and tells {"Intel", "Dell", "Microsoft", "Compaq"} how great they are.

again.

But where's all the software goodness? (5, Insightful)

KajiCo (463552) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833556)

The whole poing of the Mac Mini is that it's a small affordable system that comes preinstalled with; an OS, a Photo Editor, Movie Editor, Music Player, DVD/VCD designer, and Music Composition software. Additionally most Macs comes pre-installed with Apple Works and World Book Encyclopedia.

Not to mention the splendor of no Adware or a major risk of viruses.

Re:But where's all the software goodness? (1)

pseudosocrates (601092) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833623)

[Insert link to Linux flavour of choice here]

Mac Mini sans Computer and Style (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833560)

Wow. An empty ugly plastic shell.

By the time an actual computer resides within a hopefully nicer case, the Mac Mini will probably be on its second revision. Dunno what that second revision will include, but it'll probably be faster with better graphics and hopefully include a digital audio output.

What mac benefits? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833566)

"Intel's upcoming Mini PC features all the sleekness and portability (physical, that is) of the Mac Mini with none of the Mac benefits. "

What benefits? Let's summarize the mac benefits:
Running 0.000000001% of the worlds software?
Run like 2 games
Spend lots of time changing fonts/screen color...

There are no mac benefits.

Cool - (1)

IainMH (176964) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833569)

I was looking at my setup the other day. This little box could just be another thing coming out of my USB hub(s).

The hub is the computer(TM)

As much vapourware as the Mac Mini (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833577)

So, assuming Intel or one of their partners take a year to develop this and bring it to market, I could order one, and it *still* might arrive before my Mac Mini which I ordered 3 f$%king weeks ago!

There will no doubt be (1)

pseudosocrates (601092) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833579)

countless "it's a rip-off" posts, and countless others responding to the "none of the Mac Benefits" flamebait remark.
What neither of these will take into account is that copying other people's form-factor and design concepts is all part of the tech merry-go-round. Nobody complains (or should) about other portable MP3 players being 'iPod rip-offs', if there's a market why not enter it. And not even the most avid Mac-fan would try to argue that there are no 'Mac drawbacks' as well.
I for one welcome our new Small-Formfactor-PC overlords.

Intel Repairs Segmentation Fault ? (4, Interesting)

ehack (115197) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833586)

So far, Intel has enforced market segmentation: You could get a laptop *or* a space-heater. This model is an indication that laptop processors will now be allowed to trickle into the general market. Ipod sized servers and child-pizza sized desktop comps are well within Intel's ability - just look at the size of the "computer" in your laptop.

Microsoft will doubtless resist the move: if it's not a "PC" then clients might not want "Windows", that clunky 19th century command center for a steam-powered computing box. Dell etc will also resist, because clients might get into the nasty habit of upgrading their CPUs only; even worse, some might dump laptops in favor of just taking their company "mini desktop" home in the backpack.

Summary - the Mac mini has broken Apple's hi-price policy, but it has also broken many of the unwritten laws of the PC cartel. Clearly, a form factor who's time has come !

It's the operating system, stupid! (4, Interesting)

kajoob (62237) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833588)

I was a Dos/Windows (then to some extent Linux) user my entire life. I now am the proud owner of a Mac Mini. I haven't booted into windows once since I got it. I got sick of all the viruses/spyware/malware in windows and the fact that , althought windows gets the job done, it's not enjoyable to use.

I would have NEVER bought a mac had they not released the mini because I was not about to pay a premium for hardware when I don't do any graphic design work or play many games. So all these companies that are trying to release a Mac Mini killer are barking up the wrong tree when they just release a traditional pc with a small footprint. It's the operating system, stupid! I don't have an answer for them because I just don't think linux is ready for prime time yet, but I am evidence that people are ready for an alternative, but it has nothing to do with the fact that our computers are too big now. If apple had released a $499 machine that was the size of a G5 tower, I would have bought that as well.

OMG! (1)

neuroking (204934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833609)

OMG! You mean they showed a computer that was a square and had an optical drive!?!?! When will the rip offs END?!?!

Besides, the mini is just an mini/micro ATX rip off. Anyone remember this from Slashdot days of yore...
http://www.ibuypower.com/mall/pocket-epc- lobby.asp

Intel has a history of doing this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833617)

Intel has been doing this for a long time - producing cool design concept PCs, and showing them off on Intel Developer Forums (been there).

It's the buyers that are conservative in the PC market. Especially when you see a xx dollar cheaper PC standing next to one that has put some effort into design (a choice not present on the proprietary Mac platform).

This may change a bit now. But I don't think Apple is driving this (as much as we like to think that Apple and Google is driving everything), because Macs have had good design for ages. It's the PC moving more into livingroom use (wife acceptance factor and all).

What a load of tosh (0, Troll)

Tetsugaku-San (717792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833622)

Small form factor computers where NOT invented by Apple, I know the mac zealots like to attribute everything worth using in the computing world to Lord Jobs - but guess what - small computers aren't new guys!!

Re:What a load of tosh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833658)

Yeah, except the Mac mini can fit inside of many what were previously called "small computers."

And we're not claiming that Apple invented small computers, we're flaming Intel for blatantly ripping off the design of Apple's small computer.

Dont Troll! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11833625)

Everyone knows Macs are for kids.

Mac: "Our customers are too stupid to open up the inside of our computers. So lets not put anything to upgrade inside, so we can make more money. Mwahahahahaha!!!"

Mac User: "Duh, er, Macs are the best! They're purtty!"

So, it's the... (4, Funny)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833637)

...Mini Me Too?

Microsoft + DRM integration talked about as well! (5, Informative)

SuperficialRhyme (731757) | more than 9 years ago | (#11833644)

Why is no one talking about this part of the article:

At the same time that Intel is looking to push computermakers on the design front, it is also working to improve the quality of such devices. It is also working to ensure that content can be secured to the satisfaction of Hollywood studios, which will decide whether or not to make their movies available on such machines.

MacDonald brought Microsoft eHome executive Joe Belfiore on stage to talk about collaborations between the two companies. He spoke about an effort to make sure Microsoft's digital-rights management technology is compatible with Intel's push for standards to enable content to move among home devices easily while still being protected from widespread distribution.

A Disney executive also spoke about the potential for bringing its Moviebeam service to PCs. The service, which offers more than 100 movies on demand, currently works only with set-top boxes.


That seems to be more disturbing than Intel trying to get manufacturers to compete with a mini-esque PC.
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