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RollerMouse Aims to Replace the Traditional Mouse

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the reminds-me-of-the dept.

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ThinSkin writes "Over at ExtremeTech, we have reviewed the RollerMousePRO, an ergonomic input device that claims to reduce pain and discomfort associated with repetitive mouse use while also increasing productivity. The idea behind the product is to have a fully functional docking station for your keyboard that allows you to navigate a cursor without much hand movement. There is an interesting Flash demo that illustrates how this works." Using a roller-bar beneath the keyboard may remind some people of the Outbound Macintosh-based laptop.

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Hmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869544)

Oh, I don't know.....maybe a TRACKBALL?

Re:Hmmmm (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869663)

Finally the movie we've been waiting for, RollerMouse 2000!

Re:Hmmmm (1, Offtopic)

Rei (128717) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869845)

Slashdot: Ads for Nerds. Products That Pay Us.

Rollermouse or Horse... (2, Funny)

Silverlancer (786390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869546)

Hmmm... Rollermouse... Horse... Rollermouse...

Re:Rollermouse or Horse... (2, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869641)

cage match

Googlefight it out (2, Funny)

mhesseltine (541806) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869842)

The GoogleFight [googlefight.com] says Horse Mouse

Re:Googlefight it out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869894)

That can't be the real Googlefight. It's all glossy and brushed metal and just not right :(

What'e the matter... (1)

gimpynerd (864361) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869552)

...with the mice (mouses?) that we use now? Those who don't like them can use a trackball...

Re:What'e the matter... (1)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869847)

Or a thinkpad. I only buy laptops with the point stick because after getting used to it I have a hard time using anything else. Plus it allows you to type & use a pointer without really leaving the "home row". Now if they could just combine that with a MS Natural Keyboard (the old pro one with the REAL layout not the new stupid big delete key and function lock key) I'd buy one for $100 or so.

mouse (0, Offtopic)

dmf415 (218827) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869555)

how bout the Razer Boomslang?
It was one of the best gaming mice of its time. They are selling optical versions of their mouse.

check them out at:
http://www.razerzone.com/

fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869556)

whee!

Re:fp (0)

Lil-Bondy (849941) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869578)

troll?

ermm... (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869557)

How do I connect it to my VT-100?

crappy name (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869561)

not catchy enough, how about a farm animal? the horse, yeah that's it.

Re:crappy name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869615)

Personally I'm holding out for a rollerfoal.

oh yeah (2, Funny)

JoeBar (546577) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869594)

That's some slick looking flash

Re:oh yeah (2, Funny)

BackInIraq (862952) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869627)

1: Design slick-looking flash demo 2: ????? 3: Profit!!

Toss this baby in trash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869612)

With the keyless keyboard, the one handed keyboard, the dvorak keyboard, the buttonless mouse, the ten button mouse, the mouse with builtin keyboard and all those other stupid things that people keep inventing that are completely and utterly useless.

Re:Toss this baby in trash (1)

Oen_Seneg (673357) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869658)

And yet, no-one's asked is it really the keyboards/mice that are the main cause of RSI with computers? I've only seen claims spring up since the birth of the web. Coincidence, no?

Re:Toss this baby in trash (1)

OhPlz (168413) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869760)

Worse yet, this roller mouse looks like it will only work with old rectangular keyboards. I would think the first thing the ergonomically aware would do is purchase a contoured keyboard.. which won't work with this mouse!

I can't imagine the mouse giving you crappy tunnel before the keyboard.

Two fingered? (2, Insightful)

Oen_Seneg (673357) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869614)

Seriously, it looks as if it would only benefit touch typists, not the masses of two fingered typists out there. As for me, well, my keyboards so close to the edge of my desk I have no space for one. Plus, I wouldn't want to bend my thumbs that far back

Re:Two fingered? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869743)

Seriously, it looks as if it would only benefit touch typists, not the masses of two fingered typists out there.

Sorry to state the obvious, but two finger typists would benefit most from learning to type.

Re:Two fingered? (1)

Oen_Seneg (673357) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869786)

Yes, but some people are fundamentally lazy. And teaching your great-grandmother to type at 60wpm may take some doing.

Re:Two fingered? (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869871)

As for me, well, my keyboards so close to the edge of my desk I have no space for one.

Ew, sounds like you don't have enough room to rest your wrist on the desk in front of the keyboard - how on Earth can you stand that! We have some desktops at work set up that way, I hate it. (Of course, worse are those folks who insist on putting their displays on top of their desktop cases, raising it by ~20 cm - ergonomics be damned.)

And in other news... (4, Funny)

andy55 (743992) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869616)

And in other news, the makers of the roller ruler aim to replace the ruler.

Re:And in other news... (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869771)

Well, they have...sort of... [google.com] but in the cases of Horse & RollerMouse it just seems -1 Redundant to me. I feel fine with my 2-Button+1-wheel-button Microsoft WorkOfTheDevi--I mean Intellimouse [testlab.dk] so I'm not changing too soon. Besides, I get confused if I use a snazzy tool at home and plain vanilla mice/keyboards everywhere else.

My optical mouse isn't going anywhere (4, Interesting)

hsmith (818216) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869618)

Until they have a screen that can figure out what i am looking at and want to "click". Small things like that are as bad as the "eraser" and touchpad mice.

Re:My optical mouse isn't going anywhere (1)

Neil Watson (60859) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869778)

Something like a wearable laser pointer. Use a button on the keyboard for a 'click'. This doesn't seem that hard. It would rock for FPS games.

Reinvent (5, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869622)

Everyone is trying to reinvent the (mouse) wheel these days.

Thank thank you. I'll be here all week.

Re:Reinvent (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869865)

Everyone is trying to reinvent the (mouse) wheel these days.

Yeah, and I still haven't heard of smooth (as opposed to notched) mouse wheels *searches Google to make sure*

Thank thank you. I'll be here all week.

Self-confidence is the easiest form of moderation...but I don't mind your presence here.

One handed typing? (1)

ectotherm (842918) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869631)

Huh-huh, roller balls...

What pain and discomfort? (3, Insightful)

duckpoopy (585203) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869633)

I sit at the computer no less than 40 hours per week, sometimes 12 hours in a day. I use the mouse very frequently and have never had any of these problems. Are they trying to create a market where none exists, or do some people really get a sore wrist from mousing?

Re:What pain and discomfort? (4, Informative)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869709)

You've never heard of this [unl.edu] ?

Re:What pain and discomfort? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869899)

Much like whiplash though, it is barely a real problem that is 99% of the time used by unscrupulous lawyers and employees for their own gain.

Course the few peoples that actually DO have the condition are then margenalised becuase "everybody knows they are lying".

Re:What pain and discomfort? (1)

mrak and swepe (799450) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869715)

do some people really get a sore wrist from mousing?

Elbow, shoulder, and neck; in my case. An alternative which is as precise, as easy, and doesn't require me to move my hands from the keyboard is something I would seriously consider.

(I think my sore wrist has an entirely different cause.)

Re:What pain and discomfort? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869751)

40+ hours per week? Man you must use a computer more than anyone on the planet ever!

Re:What pain and discomfort? (3, Insightful)

Tenebrious1 (530949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869752)

I sit at the computer no less than 40 hours per week, sometimes 12 hours in a day. I use the mouse very frequently and have never had any of these problems. Are they trying to create a market where none exists, or do some people really get a sore wrist from mousing?

It really depends on the ergonomics of the desk. Me, I've got my seat adjusted low enough so my forearms just lay on the desk surface; with my elbows on the desk, the shoulders are comfortably at ease since there's no weight on them. When I move my mouse, the only thing that moves is my wrist so there's no shoulder strain.

I see others with their chairs really high or desks low so their arms are basically hanging all day, or those who use those retractable keyboard racks under their desks; they have to hold their arms at a certain level all day, I can see where they might develop strains and aches.

Re:What pain and discomfort? (1)

datastalker (775227) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869775)

Amen. Same here. I've been keyboarding and mousing for almost twenty years now, since I was six. I've never had any pain in either of my wrists.

However, what may be different in my case is that I've taught myself to use the mouse with my non-dominant hand (ie, I'm a righty, and I use the mouse lefty), so I don't know if that would make a difference. But I can, and do, use the keyboard and the mouse with both hands, so I share the "burden" of keyboarding and mousing between both hands.

Re:What pain and discomfort? (1)

aafiske (243836) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869787)

Depends on how you hold the mouse, I think. I used to have a sore wrist from mousing too much, because my wrist would be sharply bent. (Rest your wrist on a flat surface, then raise your hand up. That gets tiring after a while.) However a $10 attachment-thingie to the back of the mouse to keep my wrist straight cleared it right up.

So, yes, it can happen. But you're probably also right in that people will try very hard to sell $100 solutions to it for people who never had the problem.

Sore shoulder (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869806)

Anatomy varies between individuals. Some people have an extra rib in the neck. Others have different clavicle widths than you do.

Depending on precisely where you mouse is, how you work, and how your body is built you can irritate the cushioning pads in the shoulder or compress the nerve bundle that controls the arm, leading to pain and numbness.

The conditions are startlingly serious. It's possible to completely lose the use of the arm. There's also a certain stigma, because externally the arm looks fine. People float somewhere between thinking the victim must be faking it to hoping they are because otherwise, you might be next.

The prognosis is pretty good if the victim takes it seriously right away. Unfortunately, the attitude tends to be "Oh, yeah, Sam. My arm gets tired too. Go home and ice it," rather than, "Hey Sam, I wonder if you might be doing permanent nerve damage. Do you think you should talk to a doctor about physical therapy?"

A related complaint that people often don't take seriously is ulnar nerve entrapment. Habitually leaning on one's elbow can incapacitate the ring and pinky fingers permanently, curling the hand into a half-useless claw. These nerve bundles are almost as crucial as the spine, but not so well protected.

Hypochondriacs and malingers (1)

glrotate (300695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869815)

Engineers are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Re:Hypochondriacs and malingers (3, Informative)

Ed_Moyse (171820) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869917)

Erm. No.

When I was writing my thesis I had severe problems with my wrist(s - I swapped hands after my right wrist became too painful). I developed three ganglion cysts (big lump on the wrist - big enough that people would point at it and ask what it was) which had to be drained by the doctor.

I work way saner hours now, but if I start putting in hours like that again, I start getting twinges. I would pay a *lot* for something that stopped that happening again.

And for the record, since I was working (effectively) for myself malingering wouldn't really make much sense, and not only was it fucking painful, but I had a big offensive swelling on my wrist. Hopefully this would convince even the most harden cynic that something was wrong.

Re:What pain and discomfort? (5, Insightful)

the Dragonweaver (460267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869840)

I used to have a lot of wrist and shoulder strain from using a mouse. That strain was completely eliminated by doing two things:

1. Replacing the flat, single-level table with a computer desk, and
2. Buying a good chair with back support that actually cost more than the desk.

Seriously, folks, if you are hurting, figure out what you need to do to fix the problem. This product might well help you, but please look into getting better furniture. Sure, good furniture is expensive-- but it's almost certainly cheaper than your health.

And if you are having the problem at your company, and they refuse to improve the ergonomics, look into such simple things as support cushions.

Re:What pain and discomfort? (1, Offtopic)

bloggins02 (468782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869857)

The plural of anecdote is not data.

How is this different than a trackball? (0, Redundant)

yotto (590067) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869635)

I'm on a text only browser, and the description isn't enough for me to visualize this. How is it different than a trackball?

Re:How is this different than a trackball? (1)

Ulric (531205) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869804)

Imagine a horizontal trackstick. You roll the stick to go up and down and slide it to go sideways. Add a couple of mouse buttons and place the whole contraption below the keyboard.

Looks useless. (4, Insightful)

GeorgeMcBay (106610) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869636)

Looks like yet another high priced gadget to replace something that doesn't need replacing. Given people's various abilities (RSI, paralysis, whatever) I suppose there is a chance there is some population of users who might do better with this than a mouse, but just by looking at the thing and reading the review, I'll be damned if I see the usefulness to the vast majority of users. Especially given that it costs about 3 times as much as a really good mouse and 20 times more than the el cheapo ones.

Good point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869697)

MRIs are also pretty useless. They cost about a hundred thousand times as much as just poking around with a finger looking for lumps.

Obviously not for 3D gaming (3, Insightful)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869812)

Looks like yet another high priced gadget to replace something that doesn't need replacing.

Had to read into the review to grasp how it actually works. The idea: for up & down, you roll a bar, and for left & right, you slide same bar left & right?

I can tell you right there why that won't work: for vertical and horizontal directions, you use different methods to move.

Maybe for some DTP applications or WWW browsing that some people find this handy, but imagine doing freehand drawing or better, 3D games with this. Can you imagine sliding AND rolling a bar at the same time, and make accurate headshots? No way.

And then it's a mechanical device. Okay, maybe it doesn't get dirty as quickly/easily, or uses optical sensors, but weren't optical mice invented to do away with moving parts? I sure know I'd never wanna go back to a ball mouse.

Oh yeah, and it's expensive. Very. 'nuff said.

Another paid Advertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869638)

Brought to you buy RollerMouse and ExtremeTech!

How is this better (3, Interesting)

Nept (21497) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869642)

than the thinkpad pointing device? (the small red joystick between "G,H,B" keys)

Re:How is this better (2, Informative)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869686)

I've got an Inspiron 4150 and I love my nub. I use it way more often than the touchpad.

Re:How is this better (2, Informative)

PornMaster (749461) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869688)

I've found that using the Thinkpad eraser makes my fingertip tender after a long session of heavy mousing... in that really annoying way that kind of hurts when typing with my index finger.

I love my Thinkpad, and prefer the keyboard nipple over a trackpad, by far, but it's still far from ideal.

Re:How is this better (1)

ckotchey (184135) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869748)

I noticed that feeling too - the fingertip tenderness. But I've found on my newer Thinkpad, they've made the trackpoint "eraser" larger (i.e. wider) and a bit flatter, so it's not so pointy. definitely a lot more comfortable.
I wouldn't buy a laptop without a trackpoint, personally.

Re:How is this better (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869763)

This one won't leave an annoying dot shaped dent in your monitor?

Re:How is this better (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869863)

Aaaaah, the good old mouse penis...

OutBound Macintosh Laptop (1)

cbelt3 (741637) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869644)

I remember that tech. The concept was somewhat sound, but it really did not result in a clean x-y translation solution. You could roll up and down, and then slide from side to side, but the finger movements required were not ergonomic. If you want to be able to truly move X-Y cleanly, a combined axis that works with the hand/arm/wrist is cleaner.

Use the TouchStream, instead. (3, Informative)

Linurati (670073) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869646)

I love/use the TouchStream LP keyboard and iGesture pad from FingerWorks(.com). Not only does the Touchstream eliminate the reaching entirely, but it includes gestures which allow you to do simple things like cut, copy, paste, scroll, and many other things by doing finger motions. I got used to the gestures in minutes. The iGesture has the same gestures, but is a mouse-pad sized touchpad. Both recognize various gestures performed with multiple fingers at the same time, unlike any other touch device. The only downside (aside from the price), is that getting used to typing on the flat surface with no tactile feedback was tricky. After a couple of weeks, I was pretty much back to normal. I'd advise anyone to check out their forums and ask questions. You'll learn the good and the bad. For the most part, the users think it's the best thing since the study of ergonomics was invented. Yes, I RTFA. But I didn't like what I saw. Compared to the FingerWorks devices, this is like 20-year-old technology. Shawn

Re:Use the TouchStream, instead. (2, Informative)

jdreyer (121294) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869839)

TouchStream kb and iGesture pad [fingerworks.com] look like interesting products. But for a shorter learning curve, a generic touchpad solves some of the same problems, and can be integrated into an ergo keyboard [adesso.com] .

mouse buttons (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869648)

Yes, but how many mouse buttons will I get? Just one to do it all?

Faugh on the mouse monopoly! (2, Interesting)

ZiZ (564727) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869660)

People are naysaying this, but I've been using one of these for a few weeks now, and it is INCREDIBALLY nice not to have to move my hand over to reach the mouse (and it has more buttons than your traditional laptop touchpad/eraserhead mouse, too). Yes, it's not for gaming, but if you're gaming, switch to a traditional mouse for that...then go back to an alternative input system which requires less motion, less stress, and gives you more productivity for the remainder of your computing time.

Re:Faugh on the mouse monopoly! (1)

vondo (303621) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869726)

But, isn't it kind of like a touch-pad? I find my touchpad gives me a lot more trouble (pain in the hands) than a mouse.

Re:Faugh on the mouse monopoly! (2, Interesting)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869757)

People are naysaying this, but I've been using one of these for a few weeks now, and it is INCREDIBALLY nice not to have to move my hand over to reach the mouse (and it has more buttons than your traditional laptop touchpad/eraserhead mouse, too). Yes, it's not for gaming, but if you're gaming, switch to a traditional mouse for that...then go back to an alternative input system which requires less motion, less stress, and gives you more productivity for the remainder of your computing time.

Could you briefly explain how it actually works? Those morons at SuperMondoExtremeTech-X failed to actually describe what the F this rollermouse is, other than "an updated version of the OLD rollermouse". The pictures show what looks like, to me, a roller. This only acounts for the vertical axis. How does horizontal movement work?

popular in banks. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869666)

probably crap for gaming.

would be nice as an extra though, as such i've usually seen them in banks, some clerks use them and some use a regular mouse that's also attached - some juggle between the two depending on what they're doing.

I'd rather have a good 6 degree-of-freedom device (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869670)

Why are we still limited to mice that move in only 2 dimensions. I want a harry-potter-like wand that lets me interact with the environment in more ways than just X and Y.

Re:I'd rather have a good 6 degree-of-freedom devi (1)

Trurl's Machine (651488) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869800)

Why are we still limited to mice that move in only 2 dimensions. I want a harry-potter-like wand that lets me interact with the environment in more ways than just X and Y.

The problem is that your computer screen is still 2D. Even if you play Doom III on it, the final product is still a 2D rendering of a 3D environment. That's why the experimental 3D GUI never catched on, even if the techology is here. At best, you can get on your screen a sort of 2.5D, like MacOS X and its translucent objects over windows, but still mouse is better to navigate that.

Re:I'd rather have a good 6 degree-of-freedom devi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869821)

There was a joy-ball like thing once that had at least 4 degrees of movememnt. Forward/back, side to side, up/down and twist...

Reaching the mouse as a cause of pain? (1)

Full.Of.Nothing (865701) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869676)

How about pressing the keys? How about inserting CDs/DVDs? Breathing? I guess someone wants to make us even more unhealthy.

But really, does anyone truly benefit using these wonderful natural keyboards or stuff like this [safetype.com] ?

bloody hell (2, Funny)

kloidster (817307) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869687)

I wasted the first 10 minutes waiting for the flash demo to be blocked by adblock, and then waited another 15 minutes to see a south-park cartoon that wasn't even funny!

Flash (1)

z0l0pht (835541) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869689)

It looks like they used it to make that half assed flash animation. I'll buy one for my boss ;-)

Re:Flash (1)

BackInIraq (862952) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869727)

" It looks like they used it to make that half assed flash animation. I'll buy one for my boss ;-)"

There is a difference between half-assed and just plain bad.

This wasn't half-assed. I think they were actually trying.

Screw Keyboards and Mice (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869693)

Where's the voice recognition?

Festival could use some work too, like a total rewrite.

New mouse (1)

vurg (639307) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869703)

I have an idea for a new WASD mouse.

call it (0, Troll)

treebeard77 (68658) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869729)

"give it the finger"

Correction... (1)

bloggins02 (468782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869731)

There was an interesting Flash demo that illustrates how this works.

Supermouse (4, Interesting)

po8 (187055) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869745)

...while also increasing productivity.

One way to tell it's time to change jobs: Increasing your mouse speed and accuracy noticeably improves your productivity.

Moving a mouse is the only exercise I get anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869750)

I'm glad there are guys that are even lazier than me. I salute your sloth.

..as slashdot devolves to a mouse showcase blog (1)

jkeegan (35099) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869754)

Got a pointing device you want to plug? Post it on slashdot! The other day was the horse, now this, next maybe another virtual keyboard projected on the table via lasers..

All other things aside... (1)

ashooner (834246) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869759)

this has got to be one helluva Breakout input device...

Lefties Keep Getting Screwed (1)

TellarHK (159748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869762)

Ever since I got my first mouse ($50 from Radio Shack, 1990 or so) I've disliked the mouse concept. Why? Desk space. I want my desk space for me, not transitional wrist and arm movements, goddammit. So I picked up an ALPS Trackpad for $80 when they first hit the shelves where I lived. A 1.3-1.5" surface, two buttons and a 'chord' middle, and that was it. I used that sonofabitch for six years for everything from Windows to Counter-Strike and did pretty damn well with it. Then, when it came time to get another input device I found myself totally screwed. So what did I come up with? The good old Logitech Marble Mouse. (Now available in blister-added formula, with two more buttons!) Now my marble mouse barely shows the Logitech logo any more, the new ones have raised symbols on the two new buttons that look like they'd dig the hell out of the sides of my fingers, and every mouse on the shelf is ergonomic.

This thing doesn't look like it's a bad idea, or a very good one - but at least it looks non-discriminatory in regard to what hand you use. But it's expensive, niche, and eventually pointless as it just won't do what people currently expect from a mouse.

What options are out there for lefties these days, anyhow? Do I need to stock up on spare Marble Mice for the next 20 years, or am I going to get raped for an actual left-handed mouse special order?

Re:Lefties Keep Getting Screwed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869799)

Thank you, sir, for that 15 year history of your mouse usage as well as your 20 year forcast.

Re:Lefties Keep Getting Screwed (1)

TellarHK (159748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869914)

You're welcome, coward. :)

Re:Lefties Keep Getting Screwed (1)

cybpunks3 (612218) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869854)

I've been using a marble mouse (really a misnomer, since it's a trackball) for over five years. I can see the advantage of splitting off the axes into two different zones so you don't have to focus so much on moving scrollbars, but for general purpose pointer control, the marble mouse is good enough for me. I can alternate which fingers hit the buttons so I don't get too sore, at least I haven't gotten carpal tunnel, and based on the number of hours I use computers, I should have by now.

Re:Lefties Keep Getting Screwed (1)

the Dragonweaver (460267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869915)

I've been using a Kensington optical mouse for years, and it's symmetrical. A quick search shows that many of their mice are non-ergo, which I prefer since "ergonomic" mice are often countured to fit a generic average-- and my hand is not an average shape. If you use the left button as the left button, you should be able to use one right out of the box, but if not, I'm sure you could re-map the buttons with little problem.

Hmm. That would be an interesting app, the 'lefty mouse button switcher.'

Wristsaver (1)

GunR (246697) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869809)

I have been using a RollerMouse for over a year now at work and it has been a life saver. It only took a couple of weeks for the ache in my right arm to vanish and I haven't felt it since. It's expensive, but I only have two arms and would like to keep them both in ship shape condition. I can afford buying a new, albeit expensive, mouse, but an arm is harder to replace.

It reminds me of the stupid thing on my Thinkpad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869819)

It reminds me of the stupid red knob on my Thinkpad. Gawd, do I hate that thing. I am more than willing to put up with the inconvenience of carrying around a real mouse. I also hate touch pads. If anything causes me muscular stress it's those things. I don't like track balls much either.

I find it way easier to use a real mouse than anything else I have ever tried. I'm male, I can cope with gross muscular movement. The fine muscle control stuff kills me. (and yes I do use an electric toothbrush for the same reason)

Dupe -- or: all this is news? (1)

SigmundFreud (656053) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869822)

See this one from a few days ago [slashdot.org] . As anybody who has worked with these things can tell: it all depends on how you use a device, not if the device is any good or better than before. People who do repetitive work (and working with a mouse is just like that) run the risk of injury. Exercise and knowledge are the best ways of avoiding that.

Showing my age, I guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869828)

When I saw the headline 'Roller Mouse', I imagined a tattooed criminal rodent in a rink, bashing other players brains in with his hockey stick, while the crowd went wild and the warden drank champagne with television executives.

Time to stop with the Classic SF methinks.

Ergonimically Speaking (1)

ABaumann (748617) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869833)

When I got my job, I had an ergonomic evaluation. The guy who gave it to me swears by these things. However, I was unable (and unwilling) to get one of these attached to my keyboard because I use a natural keyboard.

Note: The chair I'm sitting in hurts my back like no other, so I don't really have a lot of faith in the guy.

Use a trackball and good posture instead save $180 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11869844)

I switched to using a trackball a few years ago because I would be in pain putting too much pressure on my wrist when using a mouse. After some adjustment, mainly making sure that my forearm is parallel to the desk I don't have any problems with pain anymore. I may not be able to switch instantly from two handed typing to using the trackball but there really isn't ever a situation when I need to.

Hey I heard (3, Funny)

mattmentecky (799199) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869864)

I heard something about this "new" Dvorak keyboard [wikipedia.org] that is better and more effiecient than a standard QWERTY keyboard, I bet you it will take over much like this new mouse will!!!!

Better than a touchpad keyboard? (2, Insightful)

Tenebrious1 (530949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869873)

The review and the website compare it to using a mouse. But keyboards with integrated touchpads that do exactly the same thing have been out for years. The question isn't whether the rollermouse better than a mouse, but is better than a touchpad? Especially if they're trying to say the movement of the arm from the keyboard to the mouse is causing stress, then they need to address how they are better than a product that already exists in that space, a product that costs 1/4 the price.

is this the product of insanity? (2, Funny)

pyrrho (167252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869877)

obviously the only way to deal with the problem of moving my hand from the keyboard is to use my desk chair as the mouse...

or as I like to call it the "ButtMouse"... (it's not like that you sick fucks! besides, that's an urban legend)

The ButtMouse works on the principle that the butt is the only free appendage that will ensure your hands never leave your nose... er, keyboard.... (my feet are already busy peddling power into my UPS), other available appendages refused to comment on my proposals.

Note, my other idea is that the whole desk, being already on rollers, could be used as a mouse...

Touchpad (1)

Ulric (531205) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869879)

I prefer touchpads to any other kind of "mouse". I know that many people hate them, but I like that there are no moving parts, no cords, no need for a flat surface to slide it around.

That's probably because I use a notebook almost exclusively. I once had one with the IBM-style joystick in the middle of the keyboard, but I couldn't get used to it.

Advertisement (3, Insightful)

crnbrdeater (861451) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869881)

I think it is high time for an advertisement category.

For those of you considering using slashdot for your company's amazing new product's free advertizing, knoock it off. It is annoying.

~crnbrdeater

Re:Advertisement (1)

crnbrdeater (861451) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869908)

Hmm... I just realized this was posted as a review from ExtremeTech. Egg on my face.

GridCase 1550sx had one too. (1)

MDMurphy (208495) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869892)

I used one of these years ago on a GridCase 1550sx. Police agencies used them at the time for installing inside cop cars. Heavy as hell, the cast magnesium cases appeared "bulletproof"

At the time your other options for a laptop were a roller ball "side car" or a separate mouse, so something integrated with the keyboard footprint was handy.

Pics here: http://pc-museum.com/officewing.htm [pc-museum.com]

Me, I'm happiest on a laptop with the Thinkpad style happy button.

Logitech started the pain. (1)

mrmeval (662166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869902)

I used a Logitech wide palm shaped mouse for years and did not start having pain till they stopped making it and came out with the narrow bar of soap on. It needs to be as wide as your palm so your hands don't fold and you should do better.

Give me a break (3, Insightful)

wigle (676212) | more than 9 years ago | (#11869904)

For each new so-called innovative input device, whether modifications to a mouse or an obscure headset, are any of them necessary or practical? First, what is this "awkward stretch required for using a mouse"? I've been at my computer for 10 years straight and I've never experienced this phenomenon. The last time I checked, productivity at a computer is mostly a mental state, so having a special mouse/keyboard won't help you at all. If you're really experiencing strain problems at your computer, you might want to change hobbies.
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