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U.S. Justice Dept. Chooses Corel over Microsoft

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the maybe-they'll-even-use-open-formats dept.

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peg0cjs writes "The Justice Department, which challenged Microsoft Corp. in courtrooms for nearly a decade over antitrust violations, will pay more than $2 million each year to buy business software from Corel Corp, according to this article from CANOE. 'The Justice Department will make WordPerfect software available to more than 20 organizations inside the agency, but not the FBI or Drug Enforcement Administration, which use Microsoft's Office business software exclusively, said Mary Aileen O'Donovan, a program manager in the Justice Management Division.' According to the article, the deal is worth up to $13.2 million over five years for Ontario-based Corel. Has sanity finally set in, or is this just a blip in Microsoft's dominance in controlling government software decisions?"

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Yawn (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871224)

see subject.

noone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871227)

cares

Alt-F3 Tells All (5, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871233)

Obviously the Department of Justice (not the Justice Department, which sounds like some government agency in charge of people flying around in their underwear) wants to get to the root of problems more quickly and with Alt-F3 they can find the clues much faster!

A blip? I dunno, seems when the Roman Empire began to crumble it started somewhere, in some little way. Don't discount Corel too quickly and don't underestimate the power of saving a few dollars by a goverment sorely in need of cost cutting. If these tools work well, the next round may embrace FBI and DEA. you have the right to alternative sources of software

Re:Alt-F3 Tells All (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871421)

With the other recent story that Reagan, Clinton and both Bush's Former cybersecurity advisor spoke out against microsoft [nwsource.com] ( "Given their record in the security area, I don't know why anybody would buy from them," the former White House cybersecurity and counterterrorism adviser said yesterday, when asked for his thoughts on Microsoft's forthcoming line of security software." ) it's no surprise they're avoiding Microsoft.

Regarding why no OpenOffice - well, I guess the OpenOffice lobbiests just didn't know as nice restaraunts to take the decision makers.

Re:Alt-F3 Tells All (4, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871545)

Regarding why no OpenOffice - well, I guess the OpenOffice lobbiests just didn't know as nice restaraunts to take the decision makers.

"What do you got against Taco Bell?"

Re:Alt-F3 Tells All (4, Funny)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871535)

Superuser tip: If you're using Microsoft Office, hit Alt-F4 to improve interface.

Damn Lawyers (4, Insightful)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871234)

It's probably the lawyers' fault. For some reason a lot of them prefer Word Perfect.

Re:Damn Lawyers (1)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871284)

as I understand, MS Word for years has mis-counted words 'legally recognized'. Corel counts accurately.

Re:Damn Lawyers (5, Interesting)

mlmitton (610008) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871358)

This is exactly what I was going to say. IANAL, but I work with them, and we regularly get WP files from our lawyer clients.

One interesting story. I work for an economic consulting firm, and we were working for Microsoft (don't kill me--I didn't have a choice!) on one of their class-action lawsuits that came about in the wake of the antitrust conviction. We were of course forced to use Word, and as we all know, one thing MS has *never* gotten right is their footnotes. Our deadline was less than 6 hours away for a major report, and all of the footnotes were FUBARed. The head lawyer called the guy at MS who was in charge of Office (I forget his name) and yelled, "Why can't you guys fix the fucking footnotes! Word Perfect has like three developers and they can get it right!" The MS guy hemmed and hawed, said they were working on it. That was 3-4 years ago, and MS still hasn't gotten the footnotes right.

MOD PARENT UP - Definitely not a troll (0, Offtopic)

tabkey12 (851759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871384)

As Above

the Pleading Wizard (1)

Uptown Joe (819388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871405)

The pleading template WP5.1 was the industry standard for ever. Thank god for the Y2K bug that scared a bunch of law firms into upgrading... Or they would still be using WordPerfect 5.1, Direct Access and Xtree Gold.

- Can't teach an old dog, new tricks.

Re:Damn Lawyers (1)

mspohr (589790) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871471)

WordPerfect is entrenched in the legal profession. This is similar to the Microsoft vendor lock in at large corporations. Lawyers chooing to stay with (and upgrade) WordPerfect is not news.

If the DoJ had chosen to switch to Word, that would have been news since all the other lawyers would have to follow.

It's true (0, Redundant)

koko775 (617640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871476)

My father's a lawyer, and when I saw his workplace -- lots of WordPerfect installations.

MOD PARENT UP (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871534)

I support the clerical staff here at a federal courthouse. WordPerfect has been established since version 4. When something goes wrong, they hit the keystroke shortcut to Reveal Codes-- the same shortcut they used in the 80's! Some of our staff still use the Fkey template from years ago-- we have to write some macros by hand to make it work. I find it extremely painful, but they love it. Every attempt to change programs has died in committee. At the DOJ they probably touted all the new Corel features and made a big deal about it, but there's only one REAL reason they're buying. And it has nothing to do with "blipping Microsoft dominance".

Lawyers prefer it... (1, Interesting)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871537)

...because they believe it to be less likely to contain traces of (liability causing) deleted text. Word, on the other hand, has been known to leave deleted text still in the binary .doc file.

Re:Damn Lawyers (1)

HazE_nMe (793041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871539)

Thats strange, my mother has always worked for lawyers, and she has always used word perfect. I never knew that it was the norm for law firms to use it. My mother always said that there were things in WP that weren't in MS Word. She has been using WP since the days of MSDOS.

Hrm. (3, Interesting)

Geekenstein (199041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871236)

Even though I'm not the biggest Microsoft fan, I find something slightly disturbing about my government sending my tax dollars out of country with a software contract award. Why not Open Office?

Re:Hrm. (OOo) (3, Insightful)

sho222 (834270) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871316)

I have to agree with the parent. I would love to see the gov move to OOo, and open source in general. However, even casual users of OOo repot major show-stopper bugs (espectially wrt interoperability with legacy MS Office docs). Commercial office suites like Corel's and Microsoft's are simply more stable at this point.

Perhaps when OOo 2.0 becomes stable there can be an argument for moving to open source desktop applications, but until then, I can't blame the gov't for trying to stick to the tried and true.

Well it'd be more like "Why not Sun?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871320)

They're going to need support.

That said, US tax dollars should go to US companies if they provide a competative alternative.

Re:Well it'd be more like "Why not Sun?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871402)

Is software support really worth that much? I can understand getting a contract with IBM or Sun for support where if anything goes wrong with your machines you can call them up and they'll say "Yes, sir. Right away, sir. Is there anything else I can do for you, sir?" but given that the emphasis here seems to be on the switch to WordPerfect, is there really this need for accountability?

So the question is, how much would it cost for the Justice Department to provide it's own support for the office software it uses? Could they do it for less than $2 million per year? I'm sure lots of people will say yes they could, but I'm undecided.

Re:Well it'd be more like "Why not Sun?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871462)

Well, it'd likely be cheaper. But you're supporting a multi-layered monolithic organization that spans a nation of 300 million bureaucrats that doesn't even have a handle on what its doing most of the time.

The Sun support would likely be supporting the existing IS infrastructure, and perhaps throw in a little bit for development too. Since the government is trying to go paperless anyway. What would be saved could be rolled into developing better interoperability with the new tools.

Re:Well it'd be more like "Why not Sun?" (1)

allenw (33234) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871495)

According to StarOffice Volume Pricing [sun.com] , Sun will do support for $25 per user for StarOffice 7 for 10,000+ users.... and that's before any other negotiation has happened.

That seems pretty darn cheap.

Re:Hrm. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871335)

But, encouraging that they are saving $5,000,000 over using Microsoft Office. What disturbs me is: "Justice also is urging employees to switch to Microsoft's Internet Explorer Web browser".

Re:Hrm. (4, Informative)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871360)

1. Because when this eval and bid process was started, OOo was not really a viable alternative.
2. Support contract.
3. Being able to pay a single source for training materials.

Re:Get used to it. (1)

Bastian (66383) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871362)

Your government does it all the time. Only normally, it's not the underdog company, and the company is based in a tax haven or something like that.

Compared to some of the contracts I've seen awarded lately, this barely even counts as overseas. Besides, we could use more trade with Canada.

Re:Get used to it. (1, Flamebait)

RichMan (8097) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871428)

Corel almost imploded a while back. Bought out by some US company and reverted to private ownership. Probably still do development work here in the third world called Canada. If it wern't for the heating costs we would probably be a real threat.

Re:Get used to it. (3, Insightful)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871442)

Compared to some of the contracts I've seen awarded lately, this barely even counts as overseas. Besides, we could use more trade with Canada.

As a matter of fact, in light of the fact that you can walk from the US to Canada, one might even say that it DOESN'T count as overseas at all! :D

Re:Hrm. (1)

SpooForBrains (771537) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871364)

I suppose it's the standard thing of needing to pay a Corporation so that there's someone to blame when it all inevitably goes tits up.

"We paid all this money to these people and it's all gone horribly wrong to the tune of billions of dollars! Who do I sue?"
"Er, a Free-Thinking Collective of Software Enthusiasts, sir"
"... Jeff, you're fired"

We all know about the illusion of culpability (look at Microsoft) but people still need to be able to blame someone else.

Re:Hrm. (3, Insightful)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871515)

Well, in the defense of these practices, it really isn't a viable answer to say "Well, I realize your software isn't working, I'll go post the question on Usenet or their Bugzilla system and wait a few days to see if anyone responds with a non-sarcastic response to RTFM." When shit hits the fan badly most companies (and the government) are more than willing to pay to get a warm body on the other end of a phone to take the heat.. even if they are in Banglore.

Re:Hrm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871366)

Are you kidding me? We already have problems with territorial government agencies refusing to share info with each other. Why add interoperability problems into the mix?

Re:Hrm. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871403)

Other countries are spending their tax payer money to pay for the US software and other items. That is similar to importing Oil form the ME, Olive oil from Italy or wine from France. There is nothing wrong with that. If you want the government to save tax payer money, call your senator and ask him/her to support and use an open source alternative. Posting your comments here will not go very far.

perhaps not (1)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871417)



This is just speculation. But there are so many legalities regarding federal contracts that i'm sure Corel has to jump through some hoops. An example would be their subcontractors must be US based or maybe the boxes have to be fabricated by disadvantaged disabled US veterans or something to that nature.

Curse John Ashcroft! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871453)

Will his tyranny never end???

Re:Hrm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871468)

But you're not bothered by the $57B going to China?

Canada is a great country and neighbor- I'm happy for them. If you rememeber the history of WordPerfect, you'll remember it tried to survive in the MS-owned and dominated US.

I happen to vastly prefer WordPerfect- every time, and most pro graphic artists, writers, etc., who I know prefer it too, and use it when their companies allow it. (think about that...)

Re:Hrm. (1)

BarryNorton (778694) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871487)

Can we distinguish open source support from nationalism? I'm very much in favour of open source in public administration (in fact my colleagues work on a European project of the same name), but also in favour of free trade. (Incidentally we work in Sheffield so don't appreciate the moves you hint at that your government has already made illegally in the steel industry...)

Shame that the Justice Department (1)

tabkey12 (851759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871237)

always seems to favour MSFT in court cases...

open office? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871238)

2 million? ouch. just use open office

Re:open office? (3, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871281)

2 million? ouch. just use open office

While I wouldn't discount Open Office, $2 million to outfit such a large bureaucracy as the DoJ sounds like chicken feed. Heck, I've been places where we spent more than $2 million dollars, per year, for only about 1,000 people. (Intial outlay is high, then upgrades and service keep you bleeding.)

Re:open office? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871304)

Look at the Proposed 2006 Budget [whitehouse.gov] , and you'll see how little 2mil really is.

So (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871248)

Does this mean they'll spend 0.1% less on Microsoft software each year?

A Very cheap 2 word solution (1)

Reloaded (586404) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871256)

Open Office!

What? (-1, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871259)

Has a clue set in? No. If it had, they would have used OpenOffice. Instead they're paying for a Corel product. Am I hallucinating, or are these the people who got sued because their drawing program was so buggy? Are these the people who botched their Linux business lines about three times in a row while whole other Linux companies were created and flourished? If Corel were a woman, I wouldn't fuck her with a stolen dick.

Re:What? (5, Insightful)

joeljkp (254783) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871308)

Perhaps this hasn't occurred to you guys, but maybe -- just maybe -- WordPerfect was a better solution for the DoJ than OOo was.

Do you know what their requirements are? Were you in the board room when this deal was being discussed?

Re:What? (-1, Troll)

dalutong (260603) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871440)

Yes, I was, thank you very much. We twisted our wiskers and spoke pompously about how Microsoft hadn't given us a good enough cut. It might have cost each of us some money, but it felt so good to screw the f*ckers who wouldn't give us our cut!

Not Only That, But... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871357)

Justice Management Division

What package [linuxmafia.com] do you suppose they use for Justice Management?

Re:What? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871370)

If Corel were a woman, I wouldn't fuck her with a stolen dick.
Me neither. Dicks can be traced, even with the serial number filed off. Much better to fuck her with a wooden dick you've carved yourself, or a wiffleball bat.

Yeah, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871260)

are they being cost-effective?

how much would equivalent software from MS cost them?

The reason they didn't choose Opera (2, Funny)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871261)

is that most of the Homeland Insecurity guys like Country music instead.

Re:The reason they didn't choose Opera (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871482)

But not the Dixie Chicks.

patriotic (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871263)

How patriotic, the American gov't chooses canadian software over its own? Has GWB found out about this?

Re:patriotic (1)

prider (174309) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871376)

how pathetic... ... and one country to rule them all ;)

Re:patriotic (1)

tthomas48 (180798) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871505)

Why would he care? He believes shipping jobs overseas is good for the economy.

No Noose (5, Interesting)

matt-larose (308335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871276)

As a former corel employee !2001 they had posters all over HQ talking about how the DOJ and Microsofts Own lawyers in the antitrust thing used WPO, as WP docs are pretty much the standard de jure ;)

Re:No Noose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871472)

You mean du jour.

Re:No Noose (1)

RM6f9 (825298) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871530)

It actually looked a bit punny to me...

It makes sense from a lawyer's standpoint. (4, Interesting)

and by (598383) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871283)

Until recently (the last 3 or so years), the legal profession had widely used only WordPerfect, making it a standard within the community. Even now, there's a significantly larger percentage of legal professionals who use WordPerfect than there is in other professions / industries.

If one department of the federal government were to drop Word for WordPerfect, it would be the Justice Department.

Re:It makes sense from a lawyer's standpoint. (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871546)

Indeed. I know several lawyers, and the only ones that don't use WordPerfect work for a firm that has Microsoft as a client!

This is just a case of product lockin, the same effect that keeps Microsoft dominant in most offices. Notice that the two big exceptions (FBI and DEA) are primarily police agencies, and thus don't nearly as much legal document preparation as does the main Justice Department.

How Does A Purchasing Decision Worth of YRO??!! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871285)

Wow, so the DOJ chooses to buy one over the other. What's the big deal here? If Corel fit their requirements, why would anybody else care so much?

This story has nothing to do with "rights". Your rights and mine are not affected by this story.

Nothing to see here. Please move on.

FBI (2, Funny)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871287)

You'd have thought that this organisation would have demanded the most advanced and reliable technology available. Mr. Clippy: Are you falsifying a confession?

seventh post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871288)

seventh post

Finally!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871298)

Well, someone in the Justice Department finally got smart :)

I do hope this marks the beginning of the end for Microshaft.

It's another Bush administration scandal (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871303)

Has sanity finally set in, or is this just a blip in Microsoft's dominance in controlling government software decisions?
Mmmm-hmmm. A multi-million dollar contract, throwing out a decade of IT development, suddenly handed to a non-US company. How many jobs has Bush shipped out of the country this time? Not only that, but Corel products have extensive ties to the Bush family as well as several influential Saudis.

Sanity? (1)

johnthorensen (539527) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871307)

Has sanity set in you ask? No, the Justice Department saw that they couldn't still battle Microsoft in their courts and at the same time drink the Kool-Aid themselves. So it's not sanity, just an amazing absence of hypocrisy.

-JT

Re:Sanity? (1)

Rob Y. (110975) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871499)

More like the Justice Department saw that they couldn't pretend to still battle Microsoft in their courts...

So they use WordPerfect and say, "see, our settlement was a good thing. No monopoly here."

The real reason for lack of interagency coop (5, Funny)

Red Moose (31712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871314)

So....with the FBI *not* having Corel and say, the CIA *does* have it, is this a reason why interagency cooperation is difficult? E.g., Some agent gets info of a terrorist plot and his comp crashes and all he has is the stupid fucking happy-dog in Office to help him? Does the FBI send stupid Outlook HTML emails to the CIA saying look this crazy fucker is going to Guatemala to buy suitcase bombs so stop him, but the CIA get it and can't read crappy illegible Outlook mail, so they send it to the NSA who with their l33t sk1llz transfer it to .txt but they can't get the information out because it's deep inside loads supid meta bullshit from Outlook.

How about no-one buys anything for any amount and just uses Open Office.

Just to head something off... (1, Interesting)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871325)

I can't resist pointing this out, yet again: No, reveal codes is NOT a good thing. It's a complete kludge. If you need a Reveal Codes feature, then that shows that the word processor is badly designed.

I was firmly in the reveal codes camp until I actually learned how to use Word, and then I realized what an atrocity Reveal Codes really was. The concept of Styles is far, far better.

Re:Just to head something off... (2, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871409)

The concept of Styles is far, far better.
Yeah, just wait until you discover LaTeX or DocBook!

Re:Just to head something off... (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871412)

Perhaps the Word Perfect corporation should have patented "Reveal Codes" way back when. I think HTML looks very similiar to it.

Re:Just to head something off... (1)

eclectus (209883) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871432)

Strange, I've often thought that Word would benefit from a 'Reveal Codes' option (never mind the obvious 'reveal file format' jokes), as word often does incomprehensible things like deleting more that what I ask it too, or change styles of existing text when I delete over a style boundary, and other strange behaviours. And the concept of 'Reveal Codes' makes a whole lot of sence when people insist on using Word for html editing.

Re:Just to head something off... (1)

scarpa (105251) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871498)

The MS Word equivalent is "Reveal Formatting". Shows what styles are applied to your selection, etc..

Re:Just to head something off... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871516)

You are actually posting on Slashdot that hiding code is a good thing? Gotta be a troll.

Might make sense if Word Styles were reliable. Instead they are easily and often corrupted. How do you fix that without Reveal Code?

Reveal codes is not mutuallly exclusive to styles (2, Insightful)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871551)

Word Perfect has styles too!

Reveal codes is an absolutely wonderful feature for fixing broken documents. Not everyone uses Word styles (I'm tempted to say a minority do) & you WILL get broken, kludgy documents. If for no other reason than this, it would be nice to see where codes start/stop.

It is nice to see exactly where an image is anchored or when a hyphen/spacing is breaking/nonreaking and when these or line/page breaks are optional or forced.

It is also extremely useful to see when a STYLE starts/stops! Third-parties sell an atrocious hack to put a reveal codes feature into Word. The real thing is better.

It is the next best feature to using transparent plaintext formats like docbook/LaTeX, where you can get the same info.

whoring (-1, Troll)

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The Reason: Corel's "Microsoft" Modes (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871337)

Not only does the new WordPerfect 12 edition allow you to go back in time to the old "blue screen" days, with one easy radio button selection, you can alter WordPerfect's interface to match Microsoft's.

For instance, I installed Quattro Pro and Presentations today after a client's files required them. I almost told the client to go to hell, but as you already know, it's the PROFIT!!?! step that keeps my mouth shut ;).

Both Quattro Pro and Presentations, upon launching, ask if they should be run in "Microsoft Excel" mode and "Microsoft PowerPoint" mode respectively. Not that this does anything to make the programs any better looking, but it does allow for a pre-configured key mapping that most Microsoft Office users will feel comfortable with.

As a former WP employee... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871342)

Who cares? The transfer of WordPerfect to Corel was the death of significant improvement. The money now just goes to the owners of Corel. The product is mostly maintained by Indians or others whos speech is difficult to understand (I am not referring to Canadians) being staged out of Canada.

Yes, WP still has significant superiority in many ways, especially for legal applications that the Justice Department might appreciate, although there is no one left who knows the code base or has ability to make fundamental improvements. At Corel, someone who has been around for 3 years is considered to be a white-bearded sage, because most are 6-month temp employees, at a low wage in a low-wage country.

Fighting on too many fronts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871353)

I guess Microsoft has been too busy in Europe lately they accidentally let this one slip by.

Don't worry though, I'm sure well find soon that the decision has been modified to provide both Microsoft and Corel products so the user can choose which is most productive.

Hahaha (2, Insightful)

mrluisp (724199) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871363)

is this just a blip in Microsoft's dominance in controlling government software decisions?

Perhaps you've forgotten that Microsoft owns [geek.com] a sizeable amount of Corel and stands to profit from this deal anyways.

Doesn't MS own Corel? (-1, Redundant)

Max von H. (19283) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871367)

I can't find the reference right away, but I remember reading last year that MS bought a rather large part of Corel, which subsequently dropped their Linux distro a few months later...

If it is so, isn't this ruling a win-win for MS?

Not new: Corel/Wordperfect has been... (4, Interesting)

claussenvenable (820336) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871377)

the standard in legal documents for many years.

I've worked in legal forums on a few occasions (remember Marylin Hall Patel of the Napster ruling?), and the judges/lawyers I've met are insistent on all documents being created/filed in WordPerfect.

WordPerfect and law firms (1)

Black Art (3335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871383)

Word Perfect used to be the defacto standard word processor for law firms. Glad to see that they are actually sticking with WP and not running to Word just because everyone else is.

In the long run they might be better off with Open Office. The support for non-Microsoft OSes has been pretty weak. The Mac version has not been updated in years and the Linux version is more of an illusion than a real program.

Justice got sick of the BSODs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871388)

Or Blue Screen of Disenfranchisement.

I just love using the word.

um, no... (3, Insightful)

RaZ0r (145723) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871391)

Has sanity finally set in, or is this just a blip in Microsoft's dominance in controlling government software decisions?

No, someone in purchasing just happened to find something cheaper that could get the job done.

Move along, nothing to see here. (as usual)

Re:um, no... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871532)

No, someone in purchasing just happened to find something cheaper that could get the job done.

because we all know that people in the government really give a rats ass about the price tag of anything =P

good drugs (5, Funny)

kirkb (158552) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871397)

but not the Drug Enforcement Administration, which use Microsoft's Office business software exclusively

Hmmm... I wonder what they're smoking...

Ugh (1)

rasafras (637995) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871406)

I don't care about monopolistic issues or anything (at least, not in this case), but having used both... Word is way better than WordPerfect, IMHO. It's just a matter of preference, but I find WordPerfect to be more clumsy and irritating.

Yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871407)

Score one for the little guy!

Updates (0)

SaidinUnleashed (797936) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871414)

I have a feeling it won't really matter.

Next Windows Update will make it incompatible with Corel's software, I bet.

Just watch. ^_^

I call... (2, Insightful)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871424)

Blip!

Sanity? (1)

pablodiazgutierrez (756813) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871429)

Has sanity finally set in, or is this just a blip in Microsoft's dominance in controlling government software decisions?

Selecting one vendor to lock you in is not what I would call sanity. This is what in Spain we call "choose your poison".

Michael's gone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11871443)

...but still we get articles posted in YRO that don't belong there.

Haha (3, Insightful)

rm999 (775449) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871451)

$13.2 million? that's like a penny to Microsoft.

"What's a quarter?"
-Bill Gates on Family Guy

But, but... (1, Interesting)

kd7cqn (684514) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871463)

doesn't Microsoft own about half of Corel? I thought I saw something a year or two ago that MS had purchased controlling interest in Corel. So really, the Feds didn't change who they pay their money to. They just changed to a better software.

Re:But, but... (1)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871561)

Its OK,... thanks to the whole MS anti-trust thing, Microsoft now pays BUCKS in lobby fees. Fees they never used to pay. THAT was the plan all along, so in other words: its ok, Microsoft owns 1/2 of the Justice Department too.

Taxpayer Money & American Companies (1)

zensmile (78430) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871492)

While I would rather not see more of the Microsoft monopoly. I do not like the fact that the government is sending my money to a foreign company when there is a perfectly viable American company selling competing software. Just my $0.02.

This is good for Microsoft! (1)

Zangief (461457) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871501)

Now the DoJ can't say MS is a monopoly, because thew DoJ itself doesn't use their products!!

Even when MS lose, it wins!! They are the devil, I tell you!

Watch for more (1)

KingOfTheNerds (706852) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871506)

As a former corel employee I'm to finally see the governement switching to our WP. Our talks to sell our products to the justice department began over two years ago, but by the time I was layed off I was sure that they were never going to follow through. We were not just in talks about Word Perfect so be sure to watch out for other Corel products being adopted by some government agencies soon.

This is Your Rights Online Because???? (1)

cranos (592602) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871510)

Im sorry I thought it was going to be a story about somebody infringing or potentially infringing my rights online, obviously I was mistaken.

From an educational standpoint (0, Offtopic)

moath (151844) | more than 9 years ago | (#11871517)

Having worked for a school district for years, I can tell you we've gone with MS Office because it's most likely what our students will be using when the make it to the real world.

In addition to that, it's the same price when you compare the Corel office suite with it's MS counterpart.
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