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Rappers the Next Super Heroes?

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the oi-gevalt dept.

Editorial 47

The Guardian's excellent gamesblog has an editorial up discussing the role rappers and rap culture has taken in games. From the article: "Following Def Jam Vendetta and more pertinently Def Jam Fight for New York, this is another game that places real-life Hip Hop artists within a fictitious gangland setting. It's an interesting sub-genre, trading in on the mythologies that many rappers build around themselves in their lyrics, album art and endless feuds - fantasies of gun violence, rivalry and retribution."

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obligatory (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11882327)

GTR: Grand Theft Rapping And Rapeing.

Just trying to make money. (1)

gimpynerd (864361) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882337)

You knew it would happen sooner or later. How many stupid games are made each year off of movies? Developers are always looking for new ways to milk pop culture for all its worth. I really don't see how they make much money off of these games that no one buys. Maybe this one will surprise us and actually be good.

Snoop Dogg Is My Cousin (0, Troll)

King Fuckstain (864155) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882620)

"Developers are always looking for new ways to milk pop culture for all its [sic] worth."
CORRECTION: Management is always looking for new ways to milk pop culture for all it's worth. Developers merely produce what the suits decide these days. Video games have become a pretty big business.

Furthermore, I believe those Def Jam Fighting games sold fairly well. I heard an African-American fellow in Blockbuster talking to another African-American fellow about how good they are.

Re:Snoop Dogg Is My Cousin (1)

gimpynerd (864361) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882901)

I stand corrected.

Re:Snoop Dogg Is My Cousin (1)

LaundroMat (517379) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888916)

If the parent is a troll, then I'm a gansgta.

NO (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11882392)

Gangsters aren't heroes.

Re:NO (1)

saden1 (581102) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882442)

Who said Rappers are gangsters? They are all wanna be gangsters. Except for Suge Knight..that [shut your mouth] is scary.

Re:NO (1)

Sethosayher (812094) | more than 9 years ago | (#11885326)

Agreed. And Agreed. Suge Knight gives me nightmares...

Re:NO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11889621)

Not all rappers are gangsters. Some rappers, believe it or not, are actually good role models, too. Will Smith, LL, Cormega, etc.

Re:NO (1)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11894722)

A good point... except who is it that get made into games?
Are we likely to see a Will Smith FPS where he jiggys bad guys into being better people?
I think the only Will Smith games you are gonna see are pickups from movie licenses where he has a gun (i.e. Bad Boys).

Choose the good rap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11882434)


A while ago, when I listened to quite a bit of rap music, there basically were a couple camps: the really talented rappers who were just plain awesome and very interesting, and then there were the ones who just threw away any real social commentary and went straight for the T&A and talking about sex as if we're cats or baboons (sad that women rappers do this, too). Since Slashdot is often a consumer-rights zone, I'd reiterate that choosing not to buy something is as important as choosing to buy something, and my opinion is that the regressive talentless hacks who claim to be poets or musicians don't deserve our cash.

Two comments (5, Insightful)

Mike Hawk (687615) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882507)

They have been making crappy games with rappers for a while now. [gamespot.com] Cash rules everything around me.

And I don't know what they mean about fantasies of gun violence. I bet 2-Pac wishes they only had fantasies of gun violence. And as near as I can tell, 50 Cent didn't shoot himself. Suge Knight isn't really a nice guy when you get to know him. Snoop really did get put on trial for murder. Man rap music is fun.

Not a rapper but... (1)

jspoon (585173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882681)

who could forget Michael Jackson's Moonwalker?

How dare you! (1)

Mike Hawk (687615) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882894)

Mr. Jackson is a pillar of the community and Moonwalker is gaming gold.

You misunderstand. (1)

jspoon (585173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11884865)

Speaking as one of Mr Jackson's greatest fans, I consider Moonwalker to be a highly entertaining game. I only described it as unforgettable.

Actually, I've probably racked up more time on Moonwalker than any other game on an emulator. Every now and then I feel tired, depressed or just in need of a little laugh and Moonwalker is always there for me.

Re:You misunderstand. (1)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11893723)

Ah! Woooooo!

Jam on!

(grabs crotch to trigger special move)

Re:Two comments (0, Offtopic)

PedanticSpellingTrol (746300) | more than 9 years ago | (#11884223)

Dollar Dollar C.R.E.A.M. ?

Re:Two comments (1)

Deraj DeZine (726641) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891721)

Shaolin Style is one of my all-time favorite fighting games. It was the first fighting game I played that allowed four combatants in a single brawl. Additionally, the game relied on special moves and combos much more than pure button-mashing.

Granted, it doesn't measure up to today's fighting games, but back when I was still playing Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat 3, this game was incredible.

to hell with wigger culture (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11882612)

...that includes you, you nu-metal fucktards

Its just a fad! (1, Funny)

AbsurdProverb (831079) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882616)

Experts have been saying this since the late 70s and early 80s. Hip Hop, rap, this street talk is just a trendy thing. It won't last! Its only a matter of time until Kiss makes a sequel to Pyscho Circus and then you can kiss Def Jam, the NBA, and various other hip hop games good bye!

Rappers the Next Super Heroes? (1)

HotNeedleOfInquiry (598897) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882699)

I might as well just fsking kill myself now.

Re:Rappers the Next Super Heroes? (4, Insightful)

macdaddy357 (582412) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882765)

Remember the cartoon, Hammerman? [tvtome.com] Neither do most people. MC Hammer was a superhero. It didn't last long. Neither will this.

Re:Rappers the Next Super Heroes? (3, Funny)

Brainboy (310252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882808)

Thanks. Now I have the theme song stuck in my head.

So the Gramps opened up the bag,
And took out the magical shoes...


Ugh.

Re:Rappers the Next Super Heroes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886209)

HAMMER!

HAMMERMAN!

Re:Rappers the Next Super Heroes? (1)

istewart (463887) | more than 9 years ago | (#11896475)

Obligatory "lol mc hammer moved to my hometown after running out of money" post.

I know a guy who knows a guy who invited him to do a benefit concert locally, and he turned it down. Guess he's still coasting on the success of Hammerman.

Yeah but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11882714)

They're not impervious to bullets...

Re:Yeah but... (1)

kn0tw0rk (773805) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883415)

But like villans they definately monologue!

Re:Yeah but... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887861)

Really? I don't believe that. I propose a study where we test all rappers for their invulnerability towards bullets. Of course you need to aim for the vital zones, perhaps their super powers won't show if they're not in actual danger.

It's counter-culture really (4, Insightful)

Red Moose (31712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11882852)

I mean, Snoop Dogg was actually a crack dealer, so when he is on TV talking about having the Roly on his arm and pouring Chandon and rolling the best weed, with pictures of the RR Phantom in the back, well, of course he will be looked upon as a hero (a workign class hero if you will, the John Lennon of the 2000s).

So if John Lennon is the working class hero, but he's basically a bad man with a lot of hoes, it's like he is the working class hero meets Wall Street. The modern life is that you must rebel (as usual) but instead of living "free" and so on, you basically live it up with bling and fish-egg coloured $300,000 cars.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is progress. The "system" has finally ironed out the rebels. This new version of The Matrix means that tyhose that rebel and try and fuck things up by killing people or selling drugs sell out and become pop-culture icons and never do we hear the likes of Snoop complain. Hell no, he's loving it. The modern "system" works. You can no longer rebel against anything.

I'd also like to add, that as a late 20s white male, I like Snoop Doggs new album a lot. So how's that for street cred? Huh? You badass mofo's like *my* type of Top 40 music?

Re:It's counter-culture really (1)

servognome (738846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11885044)

This, ladies and gentlemen, is progress. The "system" has finally ironed out the rebels. This new version of The Matrix means that tyhose that rebel and try and fuck things up by killing people or selling drugs sell out and become pop-culture icons and never do we hear the likes of Snoop complain.
This is nothing new, society has often been intrigued by rebels, and latched on to them as part of pop-culture. Once they become rich & famous and fit in with society, they sell out.
The phenomenon isn't new, the Kennedy's wouldn't be where they are without Papa Joe's bootlegging dollars, the hippies of the 60's were the corporate raiders of the 80's, the outlaws of the wild west became the sheriffs, judges, and mayors.

To be released soon (1)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883545)

'DriveBy' featuring the late 2Pac and Big-E :D

Re:To be released soon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883732)

DriveBy

Yeah, the game that is actually a Lexus coupe with a real modified submachine gun in the glovebox. Here's the keys, kiddies, have a blast.

Let's compare the messages (3, Insightful)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11884098)

Spiderman:

"With great power comes great responsibility"

Gangsta Rapper Man:

"When the bitch don't pay up ma money, the bitch get beat!"

Yah, at least ideologically the idea seems compatible.

Re:Let's compare the messages (1)

Net_Wakker (576655) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886795)

that was funny. (bloody hell, I type too fast. slashdot refused my comment because there were only 15 seconds between hitting reply and hitting submit...)

Anyone suprised? (1)

FzArEkTaH (865743) | more than 9 years ago | (#11884317)

This comes as no suprise to me rappers live (actually pretend to) live an exciting gangster life, video games are the next evolution of entertainment.

Shit, rappers emulate some of the best charictors in great movies aka scarface - and guns and violence is entertaining (on a screen)

Rappers and video games have always gone together I remeber a verse where B.I.G. was talkin about snes and genesis. It's just the next logical step for them to be the stars of the games now, not just playing them. I know it makes more sense to see 50 cent in a game shootin someone rather than britney spears :) I say bring it on!

Re:Anyone suprised? (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 9 years ago | (#11884499)

I know it makes more sense to see 50 cent in a game shootin someone rather than britney spears :) I say bring it on!


I dunno... A "Britney Spears vs. Lindsay Lohan" mod for some kind of FPS deathmatch would be kind of fun to see. Maybe even worth paying for.

-Britney has gibbed herself. "Oops... I did it again."
-Lindsay has taken the lead
-2 frags left

Then again, I was a big fan of "Dead or Alive: eXtreme Beach Volleyball" so take that for whatever you think it's worth.

Well Why Wouldn't They? (1)

timetokill (830909) | more than 9 years ago | (#11884957)

Of course this would happen. Videogames allow wannabe "thugs" to act out the life of crime, money and hookers that they wouldn't dare to live in real life.

Art imitating Art. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11885593)

this is another game that places real-life Hip Hop artists within a fictitious gangland setting.

it's funny, because, most hip-hop albums place their real-life artists in a fictitious_gangland_setting.

Here's a Thought: (2, Insightful)

superultra (670002) | more than 9 years ago | (#11885618)

Maybe the many, many white developers finally realized that African Americans are - and have been- playing their games. Or maybe studios finally started hiring minorities, although probably the former is more true.

There is a long standing tradition of ignoring minorities in video games, save perhaps sports, so it's nice to finally see them being more inclusive of urban culture, even if they are motivated only by profit. Personally, I fail to see how "millionaire ex-drug dealers" are any worse than the ultra-violent, womanizing main characters that have almost universally plagued video games since the PSX.

Especially that Mario guy and his "princess."

Re:Here's a Thought: (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11885831)

What an idiot. I hope you were trying to be funny, and not serious. Are you saying that black people enjoy games less because there aren't many black characters? If that were true I guess that would make all black people inherently racist. I hope that's not so. When I enjoy media, be it video games or movies, I look at the quality of the product, not the race of characters. I could care less if a characters is white or black.

There is no long standing traditon of ignoring minorites in games. Many developers simply chose a race for the character that is similair to their own. What's wrong with that? I don't think its done to spite black people. It's human nature. I bet when you create something with human characters in it, you probably make the main character whatever your race is.

And since when were many developers white? Many of the games that have become staples of the industry were created by Japanese developers - Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc. Plus two of the largest console manufacturers are companies of Japanese origin, Sony and Nintendo. Also, that last bit about Mario was not funny, and a horrible comparision to make.

Re:Here's a Thought: (2, Insightful)

superultra (670002) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886243)

Good for you, that you manage to completely ignore race in your life. We should all be so lucky.

I'm not suggesting that African Americans enjoy games less because their avatar is always white. In fact, when given a choice, studies have shown that they more often choose white avatars over black, even when there is nothing more than a cosmetic difference. Of course, I'd venture to say that 90% of the hot, buxom leather clad females in WoW are actually not hot, buxom leather clad females in real life. In both cases there are issues of race and gender identity that we could write dissertations on (and people are). As far as not intentionally spiting black people, you're most likely right. But even if you don't intend to misrepresent minorities doesn't make it right when you do.

I don't have the time right now to download the multiple papers on this subject from JSTOR, violate copyright and post them on my webspace for slashdot to leech. Suffice it to say that there is plenty of discussion on this topic, both "high" and "low," and I pretty much echoed the current consenus, if admittedly a little crudely. That doesn't necesarily make me right and you wrong, but I'm certainly not an "idiot." Check out the film "Game Over," the Children Now study on race in video games, and work by Darnell Cornelman of Chicago State University, There's plenty more out there on this - heck, just google african americans and video games.

You astutely noted Asian developers. Smarter people than you or I have written smarty stuff on why modern Japanese pop culture idolizes white Americans and I'd be doing it an injustice by trying to summarize it since I haven't read beyond the abstracts. If you're interested, I can point you in the right journals.

I guess what I'm saying is: research before you call someone an idiot, please. Or think. Thinking would be nice too.

Confusing Nomenclature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891878)

You refer to white-skinned people as "whites" in your post. This makes sense because you are referring to skin color to define "race".

You then refer to black-skinned people as "African-American" despite the fact that people with black skin are not necessarily African nor American.

Finally, you refer to people of East-Asian descent as "Asians". This is fairly reasonable since the deprecated term "Oriental" apparently has a negative connotation in today's society. Similarly, claiming such people have "yellow" skin is often confusing to many people.

Thus, in your one post, you use the pigmentation of skin, the country of origin, and the country of birth all to describe "race". I humbly submit that not all of these facets are useful in determining race.

Re:Confusing Nomenclature (1)

superultra (670002) | more than 9 years ago | (#11893917)

I humbly submit that not all of these facets are useful in determining race. I'm a historian dammit, not a linguist.

Re:Here's a Thought: (1)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11893923)

"You astutely noted Asian developers. Smarter people than you or I have written smarty stuff on why modern Japanese pop culture idolizes white Americans and I'd be doing it an injustice by trying to summarize it since I haven't read beyond the abstracts. If you're interested, I can point you in the right journals."

While I am aware of the "idolization" issues, quite a number of games, both Asian developed (Japan and Korea predominantly) and American developed games which use an Asian style, feature Asian protaganists. I would argue that this is far more common in video game media than it is in American TV or movies where Asian actors barely register on the radar.

Re:Here's a Thought: (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887627)

I was told not to include black characters in a SNES game ten years ago, since they would be bad guys, hence not acceptable to be black. But *all* the characters (apart from the hero) were bad guys...

Re:Here's a Thought: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891766)

You do realize that these games are being marketed to wiggers, right? It's the exact same reason 50 Cent is topping the charts.

Additionally, "African-American" is not the same thing as "black". It's not even the most PC term since many black people do not identify themselves as African (e.g. Brazilians, Dominicans, Jamaicans, Australian aboriginees).

Define "superheroes" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11895414)

Because look what kind of heroes we have in games already. Sith, Vampires, Mass Murderers, Mafia....is this really so dramatic?
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