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Puppy Linux Lets You Run From, Save To The Same CD

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the dog-ate-my-homework-jokes dept.

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qewl writes "Now there's a live CD that can actually save data back onto its own disk! How does it work? The PC boots with a multi-session CD inserted in the CD-burner drive -- thus, Puppy Linux automatically knows which drive is the CD-burner, in case you have more than one CD/DVD drive. Then you use Puppy in the normal way. At shutdown, all the changed files in your home directory are saved back to CD. That's it. Next time you boot, all the personal files are restored!"

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Puppy linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883662)

Could they have picked a gayer name? Seriously.

Re:Puppy linux? (4, Funny)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883682)

Yeah I guess it should be called:

Mutlisession CDR Bootable/Saveable Linux

Re:Puppy linux? (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883809)

Don't you mean Mutlisession CDR Bootable/Saveable GNU/Linux? :)

Re:Puppy linux? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883915)

Jesus H. Christ that's WHAT HE TYPED. I'd insult you more but I like my flames short and to the point. Bitch.

Re:Puppy linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883815)

MSCDRBSL for short.

You only THINK I'm kidding.

Re:Puppy linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883822)

You're close, I think. How about Muttlisession Linux? At least it keeps with the overall canine theme.

Re:Puppy linux? (2, Funny)

linguae (763922) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883930)

Yeah, but at least it's not named:

Extreme Multisession CDR Bootable/Saveable Linux XP 3000

Re:Puppy linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883694)

My name's Puppy, you inthenthitive clod!

Re:Puppy linux? [yes] (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883697)

A gayer name would be: ``Gay Dog on a Second Gay Dog Linux''

Re:Puppy linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883705)

GNAA Linux would certainly be gayer...

Re:Puppy linux? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883725)

Could they have picked a gayer name? Seriously.
Bad Puppy Linux?

Re:Puppy linux? (-1, Flamebait)

panth0r (722550) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883733)

God fucking damnit, you're all idiots, a gaier name would have been GAY/Linux... fucking retards...

Re:Puppy linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883734)

Big Gay Al's Puppy Linux?

Re:Puppy linux? (0, Flamebait)

YourMomsCock (857293) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883801)

I hear they wanted to call it Anonymous Crowhead Linux but that was way too gay so they had to back off a bit.

Re:Puppy linux? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883831)

Whatever, 'YourMomsCock'.

Re:Puppy linux? (4, Funny)

AaronStJ (182845) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883840)

Could they have picked a gayer name?

No, they could not have. This name is more sexually attracted to other names of the same gender than any other name.

Re:Puppy linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883869)

lol, what?

Hmm..birthday present! (4, Funny)

7Ghent (115876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883669)

Well, my girlfriend DID say she wanted a puppy.

Re:Hmm..birthday present! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883807)

Why are you buying birthday presents for a =GIRLFRIEND=?!

Re:Hmm..birthday present! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883817)

I don't know about you, but if I got this puppy for my girlfriend, she'd quickly become my ex-girlfriend... okay, not really, but you get the point (PuppyLinux is not necessarily a good birthday present for your SO)...

Re:Hmm..birthday present! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883853)

PuppyLinux is not necessarily a good birthday present for your SO

Wow. Thanks, Captain Obvious. You saved all two nerds with girlfriends from imminent failure.

Re:Hmm..birthday present! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883934)

i don't know about you either.

Re:Hmm..birthday present! (1)

a_greer2005 (863926) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883846)

Is your couch that comfortable?

Being that it runs on CD, it is likely neuterd, so go for a Mac Mini!

Re:Hmm..birthday present! (1, Funny)

Nuclear Elephant (700938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11884005)

If your girlfriend is virtual like most everyone's on /., I'd say your girlfriend _is_ a dog...or has been ported to one.

Not quite there yet... (3, Funny)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883672)

Early adopters of Puppy Linux have reported that they frequently need to take it out of the drive bay so it doesn't make a mess. Also, if they leave it alone for any legnth of time, it starts making whining noises and chewing up files.

Re:Not quite there yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883762)

You gotta take it out for a walk on a string.

Interesting, now for the next level... (5, Interesting)

kcb93x (562075) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883676)

This is cool. I'll have to take a peek at it, but what would be really cool (mainly due to the size of modern distributions) would be a DVD +/- RW version of this, if Knoppix can compress ~2GB of software into a 650MB CD, think what we can do with 4.7GB of space...

Re:Interesting, now for the next level... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883728)

If Knoppix can compress ~2GB of software into a 650MB CD, think what we can do with 4.7GB of space...

hmm.. *scratching head* ~14.4GB?
or perhaps 2 chicks at the same time?

Re:Interesting, now for the next level... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883765)

How many computers have dvd burners, though? Public ones rarely even have cd burners.

A neat feature would be a program where you can insert your cd, and then a new one so that it can just put your latest data, therefore compressing space. Then just pick up a 50 pack of cd-r and your set for life!

I read a review on this distro (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883681)

It's a real dog.

Re:I read a review on this distro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883955)

You mean dawg.

I can see it coming... (3, Funny)

ErikTheRed (162431) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883684)

And if the recordable disk goes bad, you get the exact same feeling as when your new puppy craps on the carpet!

Re:I can see it coming... (1)

Eberlin (570874) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883837)

The good and bad of it -- all your preferences can be saved so you can go to any machine that'll allow you to boot from CD (and one that'll run the OS, anyway).

You can probably use it to carry OO.org documents, a couple of pictures, and maybe some dev stuff...anything relatively lightweight by today's standards.

The main idea here, though is that the data isn't static. As you pointed out, that means the data is also susceptible to being hosed.

Though the namers had "Puppy" in mind as somewhat of a toy/entertaining creature, I'd call this more of a tamagotchi. Persistent info...but don't put anything in it that you haven't backed up elsewhere unless you don't really care to lose it to begin with.

Re:I can see it coming... (1)

Andrewkov (140579) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883936)

Wouldn't a simple USB keychain memory stick be so much easier and quicker? Not to mention reliable? Knoppix has done this for years...

hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883685)

and you run out of space in how long?

Re:hmmm (4, Funny)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883727)

Shush! 640MB should be enough for anyone!

Re:hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883774)

I think you made a typo. It's always 640KB.

Re:hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883900)

Hey retard, he's making a stupid joke using the approximate capacity of a cd and the stupid bill gates joke that apparently bill gates never said. It begs the question of irony.

Good Idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883688)

That is a good idea! I wonder if the library would mind me using that on there boxes...
* goes off and starts downloading it

DVD? RW? (4, Interesting)

Apreche (239272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883700)

Will this thing work with a CD-RW? How about a DVD? DVD-RW? If it only works with a CD-R that's sort of useless because the CD will eventually fill up, and its basically a one-time use deal.

What would be extra cool is if you could combine this with something like the gentoo catalyst livecd making software. So not only could I save files on the RW disc but could also customize which software is on the disc to begin with. So if I wanted to get rid of X and save more space for files I could do so.

Re:DVD? RW? Read the FAQ! (5, Informative)

splante (187185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883857)

Read the FAQ [goosee.com]

Why should I use a CD-R, why not a CD-RW or DVD disk?

I do not recommend a CD-RW simply because it isn't necessary. A CD-R is "write-once", but in multi-session mode, tracks can be written one after the other, up to 99 tracks or the CD becomes full. You could use a DVD-R, however I would discourage you. Puppy has a mechanism for keeping track of deleted files, and this may become unwieldy if a very large number of deleted files have to be kept track of. This mechanism works on a per-CD or per-DVD basis, and is going to be more manageable with the smaller number of files on the CD. Also, it could take years before you fill-up a DVD, and in the meantime, unless you leave it permanently in the drive, there is the increased risk of it being scratched. Note however, this is tentative advice -- it may turn out in practice that a DVD-R is a good way to go.

Its been done (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883710)

Linspire "Thriller" (membership req) LiveCDs have been able to do this for some time.

Puppy huh (3, Funny)

LittleGuernica (736577) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883715)

Finally I can send a K-9 unit to the rescue. This is a whole new "pedigree" of software indeed.

Re:Puppy huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883764)

Yeah, but does it come with a Brandy cask.

nice! (5, Insightful)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883717)

I was just discussing [slashdot.org] this earlier about whether Knoppix could do just that. I suspect it will only be a matter of weeks or even days before we see a Knoppix version that can also do this.

Now that's planned obsolescence (1)

TheGuano (851573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883721)

And how many times can you boot/shutdown before you need to copy the distro + your latest config to a new disc, or before you just fill up the CD with pr0n?

Re:Now that's planned obsolescence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883786)

once

Re:Now that's planned obsolescence (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883830)

I'd assume it depends on how you use it. Fill it with MP3s and videos, and it'll fill quickly. If you don't do much with large data sets, I doubt the average user would see it fill all that fast.

Best-case scenario? Your .bash_history accounts for most of the session changes.

At last! (5, Interesting)

c0l0 (826165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883738)

Finally an application for rewriteable optical media that truly makes sense. Another nice feature is this distribution is cached into system memory completely at runtime, so you're able to unmount and use your CD-RW-drive for other tasks while running this system as well.

This project deserves to be watched closely in the future, I'm eager to see what it's gonna offer in the future.

Linux on a puppy? (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883742)

I thought someone might have modded Muffy the Daggit from Battlestar Galactica.

really awesome (1)

jonklem (865822) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883747)

now we can cary our workstation and our data with us, complete with the way we customized our environment. as the capacity of removable media gets larger and larger, the usability of this will increase even more.

Forensics? (5, Funny)

Chrontius (654879) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883750)

I predict this becoming big with the tinfoil-hat crowd -- they'll burn one session with music and keep it in their discman until they need it; then they've got their bootable Linux, and a way to get data out of a secure...

This is reading like the plot of Alias, isn't it?

Who cares. This is cool enough that I'm going to keep a copy in my backpack.

Encryption might be good. (4, Insightful)

un1xl0ser (575642) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883757)

This is a great idea.. but it says "The files are saved on the CD as normal files, not encrypted or compressed."

That's great for Windows compatability, but I'd prefer my files to be encrypted, even on a livecd.

Re:Encryption might be good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883828)

This is a great idea.. but it says "The files are saved on the CD as normal files, not encrypted or compressed."

I know this is a really bizarre idea but maybe, just maybe, you could encrypt the files before they get burnt to the CD?

I may be wrong but I don't think there's anything built into the ISO9660 standard that stops you from writing encrypted files. Maybe you can even compress them too. The sky's the limit!

Re:Encryption might be good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883841)

Well, okay. So? This is one more step there. Hey, you could even add that feature yourself, right?

Re:Encryption might be good. (1)

un1xl0ser (575642) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883905)

Yeah. It would be easier to encrypt a loopback volume, but that would involve writing a new volume whenver data changed, right?

Sounds like a job for FUSE [sourceforge.net].

I think it would be easier just to have a live cd used for putting OS data, and a USB pen drive for personal data. That way you could have /home mounted from that drive no matter what live distro you were using.

Uhh... (5, Funny)

inertia@yahoo.com (156602) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883779)

I'm pretty sure that burning a puppy is illegal in most states. And I'm pretty sure that's doubly true for re-buring. Remember, Dead Puppies Aren't Much Fun.

Re:Uhh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883883)

You've obviously never tried the new microwavable puppies!

Re:Uhh... (1)

AgentPhunk (571249) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883945)

Just remember, every time you masturbate God kills a puppy. In fact, I have it on good authority that if you masturbate to Pr0n while using this LiveCD He kills both a puppy AND a kitten.

Puppy does install to the hard drive (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883793)

Puppy is an odd distro isn't it? It looks and feels more like Win than any other lightweight liveCD but unlike most of them Puppy notes that the way it handles or expects to handle your hard drive there is no easy way to install it there. Apparently you have to copy it to one FAT partition, run it and install it into another FAT partition, according to the notes. I note this because running and distro straight off the liveCD is very very slow. They should have taken the time to write a better method to install it to the hard drive instead of trying to write/rewrite to the CDRW.

Re:Puppy does install to the hard drive (1)

mattmatt (855592) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883898)

Surely if you wanted to install Linux onto a hard drive, you wouldn't do it with a liveCD.

Re:Puppy does install to the hard drive (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883951)

Surely you realize that many, many people install debian from Ubuntu or Morphix, and that the official installation method for installing gentoo linux is from a LiveCD?

Re:Puppy does install to the hard drive (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 9 years ago | (#11884003)

Lots of distros like Peanut and a bunch of others I forget have some pretty good installation scripts built in that handle an installation to the hard drive straight from a version running on your liveCD right at that moment.

USB Key? (5, Insightful)

xtal (49134) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883796)

Wouldn't using a flash USB key make a lot more sense? Or am I missing something here?

Re:USB Key? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883833)

Not all flash devices are bootable and lots of computers don't support boot from usb. However, nearly all computers with a cdrw would be able boot the disc so it seems to allow a larger audience.

Re:USB Key? (3, Informative)

Chrontius (654879) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883847)

Not everything will boot from USB.

Re:USB Key? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883931)

I think you missed the point. Boot from CD, Save session on USB memory. A few distros already do this.

I may be a bit out of date on cd-rs (3, Insightful)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883803)

...but isnt there a session overhead of about 20-25MB for every burn?
Wouldnt that make even an empty cd fail be filled after a months, nevertheless rather full distro cd?

Whats wrong with using an USB stick for such things?

Re:I may be a bit out of date on cd-rs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883932)

Thats what I thought too! I think DVD+RW overcomes this and you can actually treat a DVD+RW more like a floppy disk than a CD-R. It would be nice to see this one done, with DVD burners becoming pretty standard I don't see it being a problem with regards to device support.

Re:I may be a bit out of date on cd-rs (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883938)

Last time I looked it was 5MB overhead per session. I'm certain it's not 20MB. Even if it's 10MB that's not that bad. If you don't change anything it wrong write a new session. It wouldn't be a bad idea to use some kind of PacketCD-style thing to store the data; since you're booting your own OS it's pretty reasonable to handle writes that way.

Re:I may be a bit out of date on cd-rs (2, Informative)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883989)

I just googled around and it seems the overhead is 18MB.

So when I boot and download pr0n (1)

syntap (242090) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883806)

will it have enough room left on the CD to store big movies, or just little jpg's?

first 2 say! (1)

minshrine (759474) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883858)

Well know i trully say that my dog ate my homework

Re:first 2 say! (2, Funny)

JNighthawk (769575) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883977)

-1 for "2" instead of "to".
-1 for no capitalization of "I".
-1 for no punctuation.
-1 for "know" instead of "now."
-1 for terrible joke.

Congratulations, you have reached the famed moderation level of "-4, Never Post Again."

Now for it's next trick... (1)

Matilda the Hun (861460) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883861)

...Burn it's files onto a DVD! Admittedly, that probably wouldn't work if you have a lot of MP3s in your home directory, but, whatever.

It's an interesting idea, but I'll stick with my hard drive for now, I think.

Good for data recovery and such (4, Insightful)

Arthropod (773668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883872)

Anytime you need to get info off a messed-up pc that can't transmit to a useful network location, and doesn't have USB-ms drivers on it, but that has a cd-rw, this sucker would be a godsend. I've booted up on a knoppix cd more than once with the idea of writing files to a cd using knoppix. Though I suppose it would work just as well to boot into something that can load itself completely into memory, and free up the drive.


Anyhow, even if some of that is available, it might just plain be convenient. I like the idea, anyway

dogs & cats (4, Funny)

brer_rabbit (195413) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883903)

since you can only have 99 tracks the CD, wouldn't "Eleven Cats" would be a more fitting name? Or "99 bottles of Linux"?

Linux Live CDs now required to surf the Net! (3, Interesting)

usurper_ii (306966) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883918)

Pretty funny for all the "everything will be connected, even your toaster," crowd out there ... it now seem that because of the ever increasing spyware/malware/viruses, etc., pretty soon we will have to boot up a live Linux CD to use the Internet.

I would use Ubunto, which is the first live Linux I have gotten my hands on, but it wouldn't pick up my modem correctly (probably a win modem thing). Other than that, and the fact that it wouldn't play MP3s without a plugin, I loved Ubunto. Linux is way close to "getting there."

But after I wasted three days getting some powerful trojan crap off my computer not too long ago (yes, on an XP system), running from a CD and having a read only hard drive while connected to the Net seems like a pretty good idea, to me!

Usurper_ii

Re:Linux Live CDs now required to surf the Net! (1)

whysanity (231556) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883968)

I love my Ubuntu.. works on my laptop just fine (havne't tested modem compatability).

If you add the restricted repository to apt-get, i believe there are drivers in there for winmodems. Furthermore, you can just install XMMS for mp3-playing, or gstreamer for use with rhythmbox

Wonderful (2, Interesting)

cdcarter (822001) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883925)

I have been using Puppy Linux for a while now, and it is a wonderful distro. It's small, but it has tons of stuff. It has a nice working X server, abiword, a few web browsers, tons of other utility's and NTFS support. It is really fast if you have enough ram for /usr to be a ramdisk. I highly reccomed it for anyone looking for a non-knoppix derivative.

Packet Writer (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883927)

Why they not use packet writing instead of multisession cd-r?

It's a patch for the linux kernel that make it treat CD-RWs as another local filesystem, you can write and remove files as you can do that in your harddrive, no need to blank all the cdrw.

I tried it on the nitro kernel patchset, and it was fast on 4x media :D

(I think Nero InCD does the same thing)

Gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11883982)

This looks like it would be really sweet for gaming at the university. At home i have just dial-up, at schoool i've fast connection and sweet monitors.

I haven't played Doom since it wouldnt run on my home system, so maybe i'll get a chance via linux.

I sure hope it works with cd-rw

Internet Cafes (5, Interesting)

headkase (533448) | more than 9 years ago | (#11883992)

Wouldn't using a live CD as your OS as an internet cafe owner save you megabucks on the hard drives you didn't have to buy? Not to mention no spyware dangers, or no users mucking up the configuration of the machines? And as a customer, simply rebooting when your done would clear all sensitive information.
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