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Aus. Gov't Considers Fines for Online Suicide Info

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the f-o-a-d dept.

The Internet 674

downundarob writes "The Australian federal government is once again showing its cluelessness regarding the workings of the Internet. The short article tells us how, under legislation to be introduced this week, corporations would be fined up to AU$500,000 and individuals AU$100,000 if they use the Internet to incite or promote suicide methods. In Australia it is illegal to commit, or attempt to commit suicide."

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Step 1: Get eaten by dingoes. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886107)

Step 2: Fines for slashdot.

Re:Step 1: Get eaten by dingoes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886203)

You insensitive clod! A dingo ate my baby!

Re:Step 1: Get eaten by dingoes. (1)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886245)

Step 3: PROFIT!!!

Re:Step 1: Get eaten by dingoes. (0, Redundant)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886291)

Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit!!!!

Final solution? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886110)

This is great! Now we will end the scourge of suicide forever. Funny no-one thought of this before.

Fines ? (4, Insightful)

mirko (198274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886115)

Some people actually want to commit suicide a quiet way. I had a deep depression last winter and actively looked for such info but could not find some.
If I were to look again, I think I'd offer one $ more than the fine amount to the one who'd help me.

Re:Fines ? (5, Insightful)

rathehun (818491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886149)

I think you should seek some profesional help. While I realise that I am an anonyomous entity on one of the internets largest discussion sites and have no idea of your personal problems, I believe that there is no situation in which suicide is a good option.


Please do get in touch with someone who can help, friends, family. If you feel comfortable revealing your address on /., then I'm sure that someone can direct you to a good psychiatrist in the area.

Re:Fines ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886215)

> If you feel comfortable revealing your address on /., then I'm sure that someone can direct you to a good psychiatrist in the area.

Oh boy...

Re:Fines ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886298)

Dude, millions of people think about suicide every day. It's perfectly normal. And as for whether or not it's a good solution... well that kind of depends on the mood one is in!

Surveys say that nobody who successfully commits suicide regrets the decision.

Re:Fines ? (1)

rathehun (818491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886159)

After posting my comment, I see that someone has modded this "funny".

Did I miss something? I believe that I have a decent sense of humour, but I think I missed the previous joke. Please do explain it to me. I posted the previous reply in good faith...maybe I'm just stupid to try and help people on /.

Re:Fines ? (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886181)

Did I miss something? I

You bet. You missed DrPhil.com by several ASCII charictors.

Re:Fines ? (3, Funny)

JPriest (547211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886174)

Hi, I am from Australia, I am trying to pay someone to help me kill myself but the money is in an account in the US that I don't have access to. I will give you 10% to help me recover the money.

Re:Fines ? (0, Troll)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886186)

I'll tell you what, i'l fly to austrailia and make an improvised firearm and do it for free. then you don't have to worry about the money in the other account?

(disclaimer: Of course i joking. just as the poster is about the nigerian scam/)

If you need ideas on how... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886294)

If you need ideas on how to kill yourself, then you don't really want to die. As a Roman Empire era judge said to someone convicted of the capital crime of being a Christian because he refused to deny he was one, "I have better things to do than help you commit suicide. Are there not cliffs enough in the world for you to do that without me?" (paraphrased)

Re:Fines ? (1, Funny)

zonker (1158) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886300)

what if i don't pay the fine? they gonna kill me?

fp (-1, Offtopic)

krudler (836743) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886116)

Take those suckas out!

deterrant (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886117)

they should instate the death penalty for suicides. that should have a deterrant effect.

Re:deterrant (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886178)

they say it is the only crime, if successfuly violated, will never be prosecuted.

Re:deterrant (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886205)

#2. Avading the police :)

Re:deterrant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886228)

I take acception to your post.

Re:deterrant (1)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886212)

they should instate the death penalty for suicides

Done. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/27/train.derailment/ [cnn.com] .

From story: ...Initially, Alvarez intended to commit suicide, police said, but he changed his mind. He exited his sport utility vehicle and watched as the Metrolink train hit it, derailed, ran into a northbound Metrolink commuter train and crashed into a parked Union Pacific train, police said .... charged with 11 counts of murder .... Prosecutor: No decision yet on whether to pursue death penalty

Re:deterrant (1)

Farmer Tim (530755) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886264)

The penalty for attempted suicide in Victorian England was death. It took them a while to work out what was wrong with that...

What's the penalty for suicide? (0, Redundant)

robw810 (819414) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886118)

Wait, let me guess - they institute the death penalty for suicide??? What a stupid law (as are most)... RW

whaaa? (1)

I kan Spl (614759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886119)

Darn, now I'll have to move my site elsewhere...

Re:whaaa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886128)

how about dorks.info?

teenagers.. (2, Funny)

Renraku (518261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886123)

This just in..

High school girl arrested for telling her boyfriend to 'drink bleach and die'

If this were Fark, we'd need an 'Aussie' tag.

Re:teenagers.. (3, Informative)

rush22 (772737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886170)

If this were Fark...

Hmmm... Let's see:

"Wacky News?" check.
Flamebait headline?... check.
Single link to short article?... check.
Trolling?... check.

...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *breath* OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is ironic (2, Insightful)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886126)

seeing as the Internet is a major contributing factor to depression and suicide nowadays.

Re:This is ironic (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886197)

ironic Audio pronunciation of "ironic" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-rnk) also ironical (-rn-kl)
adj.

1. Characterized by or constituting irony.
2. Given to the use of irony. See Synonyms at sarcastic.
3. Poignantly contrary to what was expected or intended: madness, an ironic fate for such a clear thinker. ....

ironically adv.
ironicalness n.

Usage Note: The words ironic, irony, and ironically are sometimes used of events and circumstances that might better be described as simply "coincidental" or "improbable," in that they suggest no particular lessons about human vanity or folly. Thus 78 percent of the Usage Panel rejects the use of ironically in the sentence In 1969 Susie moved from Ithaca to California where she met her husband-to-be, who, ironically, also came from upstate New York. Some Panelists noted that this particular usage might be acceptable if Susie had in fact moved to California in order to find a husband, in which case the story could be taken as exemplifying the folly of supposing that we can know what fate has in store for us. By contrast, 73 percent accepted the sentence Ironically, even as the government was fulminating against American policy, American jeans and videocassettes were the hottest items in the stalls of the market, where the incongruity can be seen as an example of human inconsistency.

irony Audio pronunciation of "irony" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-n, r-)
n. pl. ironies

1.
1. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
2. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
3. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. See Synonyms at wit1.
2.
1. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: "Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated" (Richard Kain).
2. An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity. See Usage Note at ironic.
3. Dramatic irony.
4. Socratic irony.

[French ironie, from Old French, from Latin rna, from Greek eirneia, feigned ignorance, from eirn, dissembler, probably from eirein, to say. See wer-5 in Indo-European Roots.]

Find A Taller Building (2, Interesting)

darth_silliarse (681945) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886127)

Imagine being fined committing suicide. Give you more incentive to jump wouldn't it?

Re:Find A Taller Building (4, Insightful)

Big Nothing (229456) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886158)

I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born - Ronald Reagan

I've noticed that everyone who is for death penalty has not been executed - me.

Never take for granted the rights.... (3, Insightful)

PxM (855264) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886133)

... the First Amendmentment gives us. As much as I despise some the the conservative laws in the US, I'm still proud of the fact that we support freedom of speech in some of the most extreme cases.

In Australia it is illegal to commit, or attempt to commit suicide.
Suicide and sedition: the only crimes where those who suceed aren't prosecuted.

--
Free iPod? Try a free Mac Mini [freeminimacs.com]
Or a free Nintendo DS, GC, PS2, Xbox [freegamingsystems.com]
Wired article as proof [wired.com]

Re:Never take for granted the rights.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886176)

Never take for granted the rights ... the First Amendmentment gives us.
The most important of which is the right to post on the Interweb without a spellchecker.

Re:Never take for granted the rights.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886217)

And i belive in a slashdot where people who turn off sigs to avoid advertising crap dont have it forced down our gobs by people with fake sigs.

MOD -1 JINGOISTIC OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886239)

:-P

Re:Never take for granted the rights.... (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886251)

I wouldn't go that far with the first ammendment. There have been books publish that basicaly give outline on how to kill people and get away with it. Some also describe ways to commit other crimes. There also have been civil lawsuites that have found the author or publisher liable for damages when a reader decided to try out the crime.

There is a thin line between the protection the first ammendment gives and the amount of right guarentied to a citizen. It generaly fluctuates with the sediment of the people at the time. because you have the right to say doing x will cause y to happen doesn't mean you are not acountable if y is a bad thing. I don't remeber the exact case but in the mid 90's a hate group/author publish a book wich detailed and encouraged the killing of abortion doctors. Since then they have served jail time for the actions of others they might have incited. I remeber a tracking website that was part of it too and the author of it was taken to task also.

Bottom line is, be causious when crossing the line of sanity and decency. It may come back to bite you. Saying that sliting your wrists in a bathtub of warm water is better because the blood won't claught when draining from you numb and probably now unconcious body might have some reprosals.

I'll probably get in trouble for makeing the above example. It isn't exactly rocket science though, more like first aid.

Re:Never take for granted the rights.... (1)

rsidd (6328) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886270)

I'm still proud of the fact that we support freedom of speech in some of the most extreme cases.

Yes, like white supremacist groups inciting their members to murder [nytimes.com] judges and their families?

We all value free speech but the rest of the world thinks the US takes free speech too far (and remember, the US doesn't have the best record for civil liberties for non-whites, or racial harmony, so preaching that free speech trumps everything else seems, well strange).

Mod parent '-1, Stupid Fake Sig' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886276)

Please stop copy-and-pasting your pyramid scheme into your messages. Those of us who have disabled signatures have done so for a reason: We do not want to see your stupid advertisements. So please stop lest I find it necessary to shit on your head.

Do we? (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886297)

How about the patriot Act?
How about Churchill from CU?
As to other rights, I am amazed that Gov. Owens who fights against Quota's for race (Cool), is pushing to have Quota's at Universities based on Political Belief. Worse, he wants the Colorado Universities to only extend tenure to those who profess a conservative belief. And had the republicans controlled the colorado congress, they would have passed that.

objectionable material definition (5, Insightful)

Engineer Andy (761400) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886136)

Governments everywhere legislate what is and what is not objectionable material. This is just part of australia saying that this is material that they do not want published in australian websites. Your views may differ as to whether it is right to or not, but it is not unreasonable for governments to object to sites showing how to do illegal things.

Different in terms of why it is objectionable, but the same reasons lie behind why governments legislate against kiddy pr0n, pull down sites with bomb making instructions, incitements for hatred (in many countries).

Re:objectionable material definition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886274)

I'm an Australian.

Its my life, if I want to top myself I will.

Suicide illegality rationalization (0, Redundant)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886139)

Many slashdoters will be asking -- WHY in the crap would they make suicide illegal and think anyone would care?

The reason is actually, they know it is stupid to make suicide illegal -- but if it weren't illegal -- then when you tried to commit suicide, there would be no crime taking place, so they couldn't send anyone to try and save you.

As far as WTF australia is thinking, they have consistantly not gotten it when it comes to the internet ... Im sure this is nothing new :)

Re:Suicide illegality rationalization (2, Insightful)

zyridium (676524) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886183)

The biggest issue is actually assisting suicide, which, unlike suicide itself, can be a repeat offence!

Re:Suicide illegality rationalization (1)

redhog (15207) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886196)

Eh, you don't have to make an action illegal just for that. In .se, suicide isn't illegal,l but there still is a law they are allowed to rescue you and lock you up until you aren't suicidal any more - but in a hospital. You can never be put in a prison, and you won't have a conviction on your record.

In addition, planning a crime is illegal in sweden, but as suicide isn't a crime, planning for your own suicide isn't a crime naither...

Personally, I think suicide should be on the list of Human Rights.

Re:Suicide illegality rationalization (1)

Asphixiat (451920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886206)

WTF Australia is thinking?

please dont assume what our politicians are thinking, is what the people are thinking :)

I wish every day our ministers who discuss this ridiculous nonsense would just help the country and commit suicide.

Re:Suicide illegality rationalization (1)

little1973 (467075) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886285)

No, this is illegal because the state basically owns you. You are an asset to the state, you pay taxes. If you commit suicide you won't pay any more taxes. This is the reason why it's illegal to commit suicide.

If you are using the net.. (1, Insightful)

[cx] (181186) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886141)

to commit suicide, you must not be seriously considering it. Because most people who are serious aren't too concerned about how they will die much less that they will in the end, die.

Give me a break, are they going to fine libraries for having murder mysteries? Oh my, he shot that man, perhaps I could shoot myself!

What a crock of dirty dog poo.

[cx]

Re:If you are using the net.. (1)

DeepHurtn! (773713) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886312)

Have you ever seriously considered suicide? It isn't easy to find a relatively fool-proof and painless method. People who are serious about suicide are *very* concerned with the hows. You don't want to wake up from a failed attempt.

Re:If you are using the net.. (1)

[cx] (181186) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886326)

It's only the pussies who slit their wrists in the baths that wake up, or the guys who drinking poison but not enough, or try to od on medication.

I could give you 4 easy ways right now:

Slash your wrists vertically.
Cut your throat from ear to ear(might take a while).
shoot yourself in the face.
Turn your car in a closed garage.

All are very typical ways of people commiting suicide, and ways they normally don't wake up.

What are they thinking?!!?? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886143)

Doesn't Australia have a large number of undesirables (i.e. Black people)? Shouldn't they be encouraging them to kill themselves rather than commit murder? What about the fags - isn't it better for them to commit suicide than to go on spreading AIDS?

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886168)

Finally, someone has the FUCKING BALLS to TELL IT LIKE IT IS and SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT and GET TO THE TRUTH no matter WHERE IT LEADS.

Sir, I thank you.

Re:What are they thinking?!!?? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886242)

The black people and the fags have been around long before you were here, and they'll be here long after you're gone. The only people who should be encouraged to commit suicide are racist conservatives, since they're gonna be out the door soon anyway.

Do it right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886144)

Just have to do it right the first time then...

Australians Have a Viable Income Source.... (4, Interesting)

yuriismaster (776296) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886148)

They can sue http://livejournal.com/ [livejournal.com] , hosting the most suicidal entries known to man.

"Justice Minister Chris Ellison says the laws ... will not hinder free speech"

Well I'm sorry, but I don't think you can take down a site that says "Life sucks, kill yourself" without violating free speech.

Re:Australians Have a Viable Income Source.... (1)

nzkbuk (773506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886167)

I guess while they are banning livejournal they can ban http://suicidegirls.com/ [suicidegirls.com] just because of the domain name

Re:Australians Have a Viable Income Source.... (1)

Narchie Troll (581273) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886233)

No, Suicide Girls incites murder. As in dragging pierced punk posers by their nipple rings through the Willamette River.

Re:Australians Have a Viable Income Source.... (1)

rathehun (818491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886177)

Aahh...but I think we are talking about something slightly different here.

The law seems to say that websites which actively bring together people to commit suicide will be banned. Now I am NOT in favour of the government and have no faith in its desire to promote free speech, but I think we are talking about a slightly different kind of website.

Just my 2 cents.

Re:Australians Have a Viable Income Source.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886216)

Remember that the intent of the law doesn't matter only the actual wording, at least in the US. I assume Austrialia is the same way.

illegal to commit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886154)

what would they do to somebody that suicides?.

People was born free and not they are not meant to be the revenue source of greedy goverments.

If you want to suicide go ahead, be free, is what free will is about.

Re:illegal to commit? (1)

Loconut1389 (455297) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886333)

I hereby place you under citizens arrest for inciting suicide on the internet.

Please wait where you are for a police officer to take you into custody.

Once someone has killed themselves (1)

EvilNutSack (700432) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886160)

The threat of a fine is surely pointless?

Unless it's passed onto the family as 'inherited debt' in which case it's nothing more than a money raising exercise.

Re:Once someone has killed themselves (1)

PerlDudeXL (456021) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886259)

If you need to be rescued you may have caused some trouble (police, fire fighters, paramedics, hospital, ...) and that costs money. So a fine to cover those expenses comes handy.

IANAL, and to do that they need a legal background (law).

Some people don't want to be rescued, but the state (read: officials trying to help) can't just go away, because that might be something like assisted suicide.

Re:Once someone has killed themselves (1)

Zorilla (791636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886334)

Because Japan is such a major suicide culture (revolving around one's honor), I've heard the government actually charges survivors for cleanup costs since this happens so much on public ground. Though, I have no idea how much extra money they make off of it.

Messed up, I know, but this is coming from a place where somebody will hand you their medical bill or sue for their broken ribs after you save their life performing CPR on them.

Rich coming from Australia (2, Funny)

Intocabile (532593) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886162)

...now where's something poisonous when you need it.

Now I'm screwed (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886163)

A .sig I often use contains the word: Die! Die! Die!!

Re:Now I'm screwed (2, Informative)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886263)

Die! Die! Die! is part of lyrics of a song. Or so the denfence claims.

(Metalica before they became obvious money grubing pussies)

Take away... (1)

O-SUSHi (820452) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886164)

... my suicide info if you wish, just leave me and my coprophilia be, Canberra!

Good thing Maddox doesn't live in AU (3, Funny)

SumDog (466607) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886165)

Good thing Maddox doesn't live in Australia. Afterall, I think his sucicide ideas are the best:

How to kill yourself like a man [thebestpag...iverse.net]

Dammit! (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886271)

You beat me to it.

11,456,324 Slashdotters didn't read the fucking article.

Suicide jokes (3, Insightful)

adepali (749748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886169)

Before posting any more 'funny' jokes, try reading the article first: The law is about those inciting or promoting suicide, not those committing it. It also sounds perfectly sensible to me, why should any psycho be free to push desperate people kill themselves in the name of free speech? Depression needs careful approach and support, not some idiot advising you to suicide.

Re:Suicide jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886202)

sweet I can publish a site of teenagers being sodomized and get no fine, but if I tell people how they could end their pain fast and painless I'll be liable, curious world where we live.

And one of the causes of depression is when people don't feel appreciated or taken in count: segregation, racism, discrimination, apathy and hipocresy are between the sources, no pill, no doctor will change that, the world and the way things work has gone the wrong way and we have accepted that as normal what at hte end is wrong.

Re:Suicide jokes (1)

adepali (749748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886287)

After reading your post, I saw the light. People who offer suicide trips are humane benefactors! Just like those kind guys offering to end your sexual problems or give you some of their Nigerian gold!

Now seriously, if people don't feel appreciated, suicide is hardly the way to solve your problem. Too many people suicide for apparently trivial reasons: their bf/gf ditched them, they failed a school exam etc. The underlying causes are often complicated, but still, all of them happen to other people too, and they find the strength to overcome them. No doctor can change that is an aphorism proven wrong by the facts.

Euthanasia is another matter entirely, therefore the different approach by both the law and the social perception.

Uh-Oh... (1)

jpiggot (800494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886175)

Does this mean Apple is going to be fined $500,000 for suing all those fan based websites ? I mean, heck, that's "Corporate Suicide" right ?

Re:Uh-Oh... (1)

Dtyst (790737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886188)

"Corporate Suicide" hmm, SCO has been teaching us about that for quite som while now....

i wanted this domain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886180)

I guess this covers

http://www.endyourself.com/ [endyourself.com]

Goofy (2, Interesting)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886219)

In Australia it is illegal to commit, or attempt to commit suicide.
This is true in most U.S. states, too. And it always struck me as goofy. What are you going to do to me if I commit suicide, huh?

Re:Goofy (1)

vyrus128 (747164) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886235)

Execute you, obviously.

Re:Goofy (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886269)

Make it so your family cant claim life insurance for your death, thats what.

Nothing to worry about here... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886220)

Most Australians don't even know how to use the internet...

Good thing in US (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886225)

Suicide is illegal because only the government can kill you. - that is the next step down the slippery slope of freedom violations, we won't have the freedom to free ourselves of this existence.

Illegal to succeed at suicide? (4, Funny)

vyrus128 (747164) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886227)

"... illegal to commit, or attempt to commit, suicide."

I can see it now...

Police: "We know you're in there! Come out with your hands in the air!"
Body: <doesn't move>
Police: "Just because you're dead, don't think the law doesn't apply to you!"

Re:Illegal to succeed at suicide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886247)

Legislation was passed to make suicide illegal for the likes of life insurance policies. Obviously breaking the law would void you from any claims.

Is it illegal to do it via spoken word? (1)

Antony-Kyre (807195) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886237)

In Australia, is it illegal to go up to someone and incite them to commit suicide?

Re:Is it illegal to do it via spoken word? (3, Funny)

kaptink (699820) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886281)

yes, the politicians finaly got sick of being told to drop dead so they legistlated against it.

Euthanasia, huh? (1)

dauthur (828910) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886244)

Welp... there goes the goth kids. Really though. Where are all of those entertaining sites with the entertaining ways to kill yourself on them? Like Maddox's. He'll be fined massively and such. This isn't a very good way for Australia to make friends.

And doesn't euthanasia count also as assisted suicide?

/. shows it again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886249)

Once again people at slashdot prooves how out of touch with the real world they are.

What's wrong with banning contents providing information on how to commit suicide. Nothings wrong with it... the worst that can happen is one person suicides and does it wrong and actually survives! (which is of course debatable if thats a good thing or not)

Slashdot needs to understand: Suicide bad! Life good!

Sometimes people in slashdot just shows how out of touch they are with the rest of humanity.

Illegal (1)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886252)

I've always found it interesting that it is illegal to a) commit suicide or b) attempt to commit suicide.

a) What are they going to do to you when you are dead?

b) If you are going to do it, make sure you do it right.

Seems like b) is more about deterring you from taking up an expensive hospital bed.

Re:Illegal (1)

xactoguy (555443) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886329)

While it's obvious that if you succeed there is nothing that the government can do about it, a previous poster made the point that if it wasn't illegal they would have no legal way of sending someone to stop you, which is the reason for it being illegal.

those damn commies! (1)

btnheazy03 (829328) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886258)

everyone should have the right to kill themselves!

respect their decision. (5, Insightful)

applegoddess (768530) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886261)

argh, why can't people leave others alone? If they feel miserable enough to consider suicide, then respect their decision. you don't always know the whole story behind it, so just automatically saying "oh dont kill yourself, get professional help" goes in one ear and out the other. Seriously, I just ignore the default-talking-out-of-suicide talks because they're unbelievably redundant and irritating. Save yourself the trouble.

When I go through my suicidal phases, what helps most is talking to close friends who have dealt with similar issues, especially if they listen to you ranting (which really feels good). Not $random_person telling me it's a bad idea, blah blah.

Sorry for ranting.

Re:respect their decision. (0, Troll)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886307)

But it is a bad idea..bla bla blah..

Seriously. If you are feeling suicidal then there is a problem with you as a person. You are week. The fact a person claims they considered suicide and lived to tell about it demonstrate this weakness. It has been my experience that when somone suggest they are going to commit suicide, that trying to help them do it, snaps them right out of it.

It is mind control, really. It is normal to ocasionaly be depressed or even think about how things would be if you werent around. You have to focus on what you can change about what you depressed about or just accept the issues at hand. If you cannot do this then you do need profesional help. millions of people have the same probelm and chalenges they face everyday and don't sink to the level of kiling their selves. If you cannot cope with what everyone else is dealing with, profesional help is probaly the only answer.

Been there, tried that (5, Insightful)

mlmitton (610008) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886278)

I've long battled depression, and have tried to committ suicide. I can tell you that the information I found on the Internet made me feel far more comfortable with the prospects of killing myself. I knew enough to know that a gun to the head could leave you alive and a vegetable. I knew that slitting your wrists was very difficult, with a good chance that you'd slice tendons and ruin your hand. I knew that OTC medicines are very difficult--you throw up or fall asleep long before you can ingest a lethal dose.

What I didn't know is what methods would assuredly kill me. Or, if they wouldn't necessarily kill me, leave me without lasting harm. The Internet told me. There are all kinds of websites out there talking about the various suicide methods, with recommendations. You can easily order Final Exit, or even find the text online.

Moreover, the Internet provides knowledge for where to obtain lethal substances, and substances that put you in a state making it easier to kill yourself.

I am quite confident that I would never have attempted suicide if I didn't have access to the Internet. The method I chose would not have even occurred to me if I hadn't read about it online. Indeed, it was the most recommended method on the net, and I wouldn't have thought it.

So I think it's obvious that the Internet lowers the bar to committing suicide.

But that said, it's ridiculous to consider sensoring this information. There are the obvious free speech issues which I'm sure other people here will discuss. What I want to note, however, is that for me, research suicide options was also therapeutic. People think how terrible it is that someone would contemplate suicide, but they don't realize how much thinking about it can relieve the pain that you're in. I could lose all control of my thought processes, spiarling downward, but when I started imagining shooting myself, I felt *better*. In this way, the research I did on suicide was also soothing. Instead of curling up in a ball on the floor, I could focus my mind on this subject, and this subject alone, and I would calm down and feel relief.

So it's a two-edged sword. The knowledge I gained on the Internet did enable my attempt. But being able to research that material made me feel better, better than I would have otherwise.

Final disclaimer: All happy people are more or less the same, but all depressed people are depressed in their own way. So this is my experience only. (Yes, I've been doing well for some time--thanks for asking!)

informative gnaa6Naa (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886283)

balance is struck, distribution make all know we want. all 4long. *iBSD despite the reciprocating but I'd rather hear Deliver. Some of

people who attempt suicide.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886296)


they are so dumb, they should just kill themself... wait, oh yeah, they tried.

This could mean... (1)

Baal Sebub (797455) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886317)

... that ISPs and search engines could be in trouble for providing access to sites promoting suicide. Also, watch those links in your Guestbook!

Maddox? (1)

NuTTyGuY (749106) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886330)

What will become of Maddox [thebestpag...iverse.net] ?

Not really related (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11886331)

to the subject matter being discussed, but, from the article,
A passenger said the impact "sounded like the train was dragging something across the tracks in front of it."
Well, duh!?

has this even passed yet? (2, Insightful)

DarkTempes (822722) | more than 9 years ago | (#11886335)

"The short article tells us how, under legislation to be introduced this week"

that says to me that it's just legislation that will be introduced and hasn't become a law yet.

not that i claim any familiarity with the australian system of government, but here in the states when new legislation is introduced it's not that amazing, it's if it passes in the house and senate and passes the president's veto power that it becomes law...
can anyone shed further light?
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