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Quality? (4, Interesting)

Sierpinski (266120) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887596)

A friend of mine has a VoIP service, and I think its horrible. He cuts in and out all the time, low volume (even though he says he's almost shouting) and there's constant static. I don't know who his carrier is, but if thats any indication of the general quality of VoIP, then I'll stick with my landline and cell phone.

Anyone else have good or bad experience with VoIP quality?

Re:Quality? (4, Insightful)

booyah (28487) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887639)

Using an Avaya VOIP system at my office and remote sites (over vpn) i have to say its good to great quality. cant tell that the user is on an IP or a normal digital set.

having my parents and a sister on Vonage, I would say its at least as good as my cell.

I would give a comparison compared to a land line but i never use one. sorry.

Re:Quality? (5, Insightful)

dsginter (104154) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887644)

Anyone else have good or bad experience with VoIP quality?

It is all in the codec [google.com] (and configuration thereof) that your provider uses. Most of the cheapie services will optimize for bandwidth rather than quality for the sake of saving money but Vonage does the opposite, in my experience. Their quality is better than that of a traditional landline.

The thing is, you can get CD-quality out of VoIP if conditions allow (and they eventually will). So don't let this FUD up your view of the technology.

Re:Quality? (4, Interesting)

johnjaydk (584895) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887909)

It is all in the codec (and configuration thereof) that your provider uses.

Are you for real ?

The codec determines the bandwith/voice quality tradeoff that's true but thats less than half the issue. The real deal is quality-of-service (QoS) in layer 2 (ethernet/atm etc) and layer 3 (IP). When you have QoS in hand and a reasonable bandwith ALL-THE-WAY through then you've got a real VoIP system.

I happen to do this stuff for a living and QoS is rather hard. In particular when you don't have much control over your customers (crappy) networks.

Re:Quality? (1)

dsginter (104154) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888197)

Are you for real ?

Sure thing.

The real deal is quality-of-service (QoS) in layer 2 (ethernet/atm etc) and layer 3 (IP). When you have QoS in hand and a reasonable bandwith ALL-THE-WAY through then you've got a real VoIP system.

But 99 percent of people will not have the luxury of end-to-end QoS through their home broadband connection (maybe if they get VoIP through their broadband provider but it is doubtful that a Comcast or SBC will send a tech to setup QoS on the router). The only thing that QoS can help with is prioritization inside the gateway (so that little Joe's mp3 download doesn't interrupt Little Jane's VoIP call).

If you actually go out and set up an Asterisk server and get a couple handsets, you'll find that the codec plays the biggest role in quality. Yes - QoS is nice when we can make use of it but, for the most part, modern broadband connections are "good enough" to make some assumptions and cater to the lowest common denominator.

We would be in a much better place if everything could be ideal.

Re:Quality? (4, Informative)

andy1307 (656570) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887677)

I have some issues with my internet service(Adelphia), not with my VoIP provider(Vonage). There's a two second delay before the conversation starts but other than that, I am generally happy with my service. I have the 15$/month plan and I never run out of minutes. I use a cell phone for long distance calls. You can set it up so that if your internet connection is down, the calls to your VoIP line get forwarded to your cell phone(or office phone if you prefer). I had a problem using a VPN connection when I had the VoIP box in front of my linksys router. You can open up the right port to fix that but i've been too lazy. I have the VoIP box behind the linksys router and it works fine.

I DO have a problem with using multiple lines. You have to plug in your phones to the VoIP box. You can fix that by cutting off the power supply coming from your LEC line.

Re:Quality? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11888084)

Adelphia sucks bad. For the past two weeks this entire area has been getting slow and spotty access. They overcharge for sub-par service.

Re:Quality? (1)

nblender (741424) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888184)

It's not a 2 second delay.. It's a "I don't know where to send media until I get some from the other side" delay. See: "IETF believes IPv6 is the answer to everything and therefore NAT does not exist so we shall not pay lip service to it in any RFC's."

Re:Quality? (1)

Momoru (837801) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887749)

I have VOIP at work and its great...i've never once experienced any kind of break up, and calls sound as clear or clearer then normal. You also get lots of neat digital features on the phone itself that make VOIP even more useful.

Re:Quality? (3, Insightful)

vvhitekid2 (462500) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887756)

Some voip isn't really for everybody yet. The people who are going to see the best results, and will consequently love it, are not the same people who are gonna stick it on their wide-open 802.11b router and call it good, all while maxing out their bandwidth with P2P stuff.

You will generally* get the most out of it if you know a little bit about firewalls, networking, and traffic shaping. After some tweaking with my Avaya set-up and my FreeBSD firewall I now have just about perfect quality.

* The commercial voip providers I've been looking at are now offering the hardware to handle the traffic shaping, etc.

Re:Quality? (1)

xero9 (810991) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887771)

I've been using BroadVoice [broadvoice.com] for a while now and recently trying LiveVoip [livevoip.com] and I must say I think the quality of the audio is much better than any cell phone I've ever talked on. Now if only I could take my VoIP phone in the car with me..

Re:Quality? (1)

mpest (626793) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887826)

I have Vonage. I got the service because I lost my cellphone one day and needed to stay in contact.
When you order the service, they send you an adapter to use w/ your regular analog phone. Since I needed to use it right away, I downloaded the softphone (it is an extra $10/month, which I found very dissapointing). Anyway the quality was horrible. First I tried to use it w/ my built-in mic & speakers, and I had to repeat everything 3 times. Then I tried it with a headset and it was only slightly better.
A few days later the adapter arrived in the mail and I set it up and plugged in my phone. The quality was infinitely better, just about as good as any cell or landline. So that's my experience with Vonage - the softphone sucks, but w/ the mta it works fine.

Re:Quality? (2, Informative)

Jim_Maryland (718224) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887860)

Anyone else have good or bad experience with VoIP quality?

VoIP has been working well for me so far. My VoIP provider is SunRocket [sunrocket.com] and my broadband is Comcast [comcast.com]. I haven't experienced any of the static or dropped calls that you mention, but I've only been with them for about one month so far. The annual plan offered by SunRocket runs $199/year (USD) or roughly $16.58/month, which is much lower than my Verizon bill (about $34/month) without long distance service (I used my cell phone for long distance). One of the features that is really nice for me is that I can pick a second line and assign it to any area code they cover. In my case, I assigned it near family members so they don't have to call long distance to reach me.

My guess is that your friends problem is more related to broadband service or possibly hardware issues.

Re:Quality? (3, Informative)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887886)

I use Vonage for my home office and the experience has been positive enough that the rest of my consulting group is converting to save on calling card costs. A couple of things to consider.

* Latency - If you're an online gamer and can consistently find several servers with low ping, then you should be good for VoIP. I dumped cable broadband due to the network latency going to hell in the late afternoon when all the kids returned home from school. With DSL this has never been a problem.

* Get a good router or build your own router - The original Vonage router (Motorola) is supposed to be in front of your home network router/switch, but I was finding it would crash frequently under heavy traffic. Tried putting the Vonage router behind a cheap home Linksys (later Netgear) router and still had to perform daily resets. Finally purchased a used Netopia R9100 and it's been excellent.

You can also try building your own router using one of the Linux router distros. They have bandwidth shaping utilities that can prevent connected clients from sucking all the bandwidth. Great if your kids like to run P2P.

Re:Quality? (2, Interesting)

Big_Al_B (743369) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887889)

If you've ever called anyone using a LD calling card, or if someone has called you with one, you've probably used VoIP and not even realized it. Most LD calling cards use VoIP carriers to cut costs.

My parents call us all the time, and it sounds just fine.

(Also, I my work desk phone is IP, and it sounds great. Of course, I'm a network engineer for a IXC/CLEC/ISP/VoIP provider. So I may be biased about our service :) .)

Re:Quality? (1)

Kergan (780543) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887934)

Actually...

Within core networks, VoIP is no issue: there's no bottleneck. Most if not all carriers route your phone calls using VoIP at one point or another.

Within corporate environments, VoIP isn't much of an issue either -- given sufficient bandwidth.

As for consumers, err... well, they'll have to wait. ;)

Re:Quality? (1)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887936)

Your cell phone gets better service than VOIP can offer. Jesus man tell me who your carrier is, I want to sign up!

He cuts in and out all the time, low volume (even though he says he's almost shouting) and there's constant static.

Maybe he's talking to you on his cell phone?

Re:Quality? (2, Informative)

pathos49 (838882) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887962)

I have used various VoIP providers for the last two years. Have settled on Packet8. The quality can vary markedly from provider to provider but also from pipe to pipe. DSL is usually worse than cable. BTW, I only have VoIP in my house and use about 1200 minutes a month. While Skype is really sort of neat, it is the worse froma quality perspective. Sounds like talking in a tin can.

Re:Quality? (1)

bahwi (43111) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888171)

VoIP Quality can be really good, it depends on the compression and the client being used, as well as the server. One thing I found was you have to disable any big bandwidths uses before-hand(bittorrent, downloads, etc).

The ideal situation would be for these programs to receiver an event handler when a call is being placed or received, and pause their downloads automatically.

But sometimes your provider can just be horrible, and then it's time to switch.

Another Day... (3, Insightful)

Colourspace (563895) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887603)

Another story about what Google *might* be looking to do... Anything else new going on in the world of tech?

Re:Another Day... (2, Interesting)

wild_berry (448019) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887755)

I wasn't even sure that the article even said that much. Google refused to comment for the article (perhaps because it's irrelevant, perhaps because they're looking for something), and the article says that they pumped people for opinions.

"Nothing to see hear..."

Re:Another Day... (1)

CK2004PA (827615) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887898)

Well if Google does this, we'll be able to pick up our phones and say "error 0x000000A whast it mean".

Then Google VIOP search engine will automatically come back with:

Did you mean error 0x000000A what it mean?

Yeah, I'd buy that for a dollar!

better question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887607)

... Is mindless speculation about Google the new black?

The new black has jumped the shark. /nt (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887783)

nt

slashgoogledot.org news (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887612)

Welcome to SlashgOOgleDot
Where we speculate on everthing
google might or might not do.
Whats next? Will google take over the world?
Google in your brain?
Google ads on you digital toiletpaper?
weeeeee

And for my next trick... (5, Funny)

DisprinDirect (755967) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887613)

I'm feeling lucky, connect me to a random phone number...

Re:And for my next trick... (1)

zalas (682627) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887834)

Now that you mention it, if Google brings VoIP, would they somehow tie searching into it? It would be nice to say Google for the nearest Italian restaurant and then click a link to have Google dial it for you.

Re:And for my next trick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887876)

Uh. Exactly how would you plan to do this? Your phone is the phone. The computer isn't the phone. The computer doesn't even have anything to do with VoIP. Your phone plugs into an adapter which plugs into your router. At no point does your computer become involved.

Re:And for my next trick... (1)

ticktockticktock (772894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887928)

If you've ever used AT&T CallVantage, you can use your computer to dial numbers on your VoIP adapter (no matter which of the 3 adapters you use from AT&T) right from their web site. Choosing a number and dialing from their web site rings your phone that is connected to the adapter, then when you pick up, it then rings the number you wanted to dial. So the parent poster's idea of tying that feature with dialing numbers that are in the results of searches isn't that far fetched.

Re:And for my next trick... (1, Troll)

CK2004PA (827615) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887960)

You're new here, aren't you ?

Google can do anything here on Slashdot! They are a magical, mystical corporation. Unlike the evil Microsoft which wants to turn a profit!

When Google starts acting like a major corporation, which it will, they all end up doing it, see Steve Jobs, what will Slashdoter's say?

G$$gle sux man! They aren't kewl l33t haxors anymore! I used hotbot.com now, its soooo much better than that G$$gle crap!

You know its true.....wait for it.....

Of course? (1)

corporatemutantninja (533295) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887620)

You mean "of course" only in the sense that Slashdotters will all ask about Asterisk, right? Not that any consumers, business people, analysts, or journalists will ask that question....

Re:Of course? (2, Interesting)

John_Renne (176151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887704)

I'm not sure wether business people, analysts of journalists will ignore asterisk. I worked at a bank for a couple of years and just as I left I hearded they were considering asterisk for their callcentre.

Re:Of course? (1)

M.C. Hampster (541262) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887716)


Heck, even the majority of Slashdotters might not care either.

I love it when someone makes a comment like that in their submission. As if the question that is on their mind is "of course" what everyone else is thinking.

How about improving... (4, Interesting)

should_be_linear (779431) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887631)

Googe Search engine? Here in Czech Rep. user base of Google dropped to 10-20% because local engine jyxo.cz wipes floor with google. And they will expand to other (so far central) european countries too.

Re:How about improving... (3, Funny)

gclef (96311) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888004)

You sure? I think it's just that google has too many vowels for your standard Czech to feel comfortable with.

Hype? (5, Insightful)

offensiveweapon (761301) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887633)

Don't get me wrong, I love Google. I think they're a great company that clearly has a lot of success ahead of them. However, it just seems like there's a lot of hype and speculation about them just because they're Google. There's all this buzz everytime Google seems to be moving in a new direction. But isn't it possible they're just doing what any up and coming company would do by exploring their options for growth and diversification into new areas? Put it this way: company X could be doing the same thing, but there are no news stories about them...

Re:Hype? (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887900)

Yes, it's exactly like that. However, would you *want* to read about another company doing it?

How does it work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887636)

How does VOIP work, once the signal has reached the necessary switch, how does this then get piped through to the relevant phone line without the (say international) phone company kicking up a stink as it is not receiving the appropriate international fee.

Re:How does it work? (4, Informative)

Big_Al_B (743369) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887729)

One of the many price hooks of VoIP is that the calls are cheaper because they circumvent these fees. The PSTN switch that gateways the SIP/RTP or H.323/RTP into SS7/TDM is considered the originating switch.

In some cases, the call may translate several times between IP and PSTN worlds. Any PSTN origination or terminating fee tarriffs apply to the PSTN legs only, so international call billing may occur at several legs, and be billed each leg as a local, LD or a "cheaper" international call based on which carriers originate and terminate the various legs.

Regardless, the terminating PSTN carrier will see some termination fee based on the incoming trunk type.

Re:How does it work? (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887970)

Depends where you live... in the UK VOIP rates are much higher than PSTN rates.

I needed a US number for support calls, and it worked out *much* cheaper to get a broadvoice account in the US (and take the latency hit) - $5.95 a month - than use any of the UK providers.

What's the big deal with google and VOIP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887651)

Anyone can do VOIP once the billing system is in place. The rest is cake. In fact, if anyone is interested in CLEC franchises in SEUSA or CA (so you can install your GW to PSTN) or just wants blocks of phone numbers, they are readily available and cheap.
Heck, a semi literate monkey can get into the VOIP biz.

Re:What's the big deal with google and VOIP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887824)

Oo oo oo? Ah ah ah. Ee ee ee?

Translation (Monkese to English): Is that so? I'm semi-literate. How do I start?

It would be interesting.... (2, Insightful)

nbharatvarma (784546) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887654)

...to see where Google is headed. VOIP would be something drastically different from what it has been doing till now.

I don't think Google is going to develop its own implementation of SIP / H.323 or something like that. It would probably use available ones like Asterix so that it immediately strikes a good note with people. Also, in case microsoft decides to go ahead and do something in VOIP just because Google is doing it (for competition sake) it will definitely not use Asterix will it :)

Unless Google provides something new other than the existing services which are already provided by companies like Skype, it is just like using its 'monopoly' to an advantage.

Of course, this is all speculation depending on whether Google is really interested in VOIP.

Slashdot (3, Funny)

imipak (254310) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887656)

Perhaps Google are trying to corner the market in pointless "Maybe Company X is going to launch Product Y!" speculation stories on Slashdot. Tough market, if so.

Slashdot should change its slogan (5, Funny)

mshiltonj (220311) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887664)

"Slashdot: News for nerds about Google. Stuff that matters about Google. Rumors about what Google might do next. Google, Google. Google."

Biting the hand that feeds you (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887692)

"Slashdot: News for nerds about Google. Stuff that matters about Google. Rumors about what Google might do next. Google, Google. Google."

writes mshiltonj AT gmail DOT com.

VOIP is as the future... just like dial-up (4, Insightful)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887668)

I use my cell phone for everything. I get "free" use of long distance all the time and "free" minutes on nights and weekends which means I can stay on the phone for hours without needing to tie up my network connection.

People who operate like me are growing and land-line use is shrinking. We don't care about long distance charges. VOIP is a niche and will always be a niche and Google suddenly "getting into it" will mean nothing more than a modest new revenue stream until VOIP moves from mostly irrelevant to totally irrelevant.

Sorry, I just calls 'em as I sees 'em.

TW

Re:VOIP is as the future... just like dial-up (4, Insightful)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887711)

Yeah, I guess you're right. I mean, why would anyone pay 25$ for unlimited useage at any time in the US and Canada when they can pay 60$ a month for 500 or 600 minutes daytime and free nights and weekends?

I use my cell phone for emergencies or when I'm in the car; smallest plan I can get. When i'm out doing something, I'm out doing something, not talking on the #%*!ing phone. And I'll be damned if I wait until 9pm just to hold a relatively decent conversation with someone.

I know there are a lot of people out there like me. I disagree with your "niche" assessment; it will never take over the whole market, no, but it will have more than 1 or 2% of the market share.

Re:VOIP is as the future... just like dial-up (2, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888049)

*I use my cell phone for emergencies or when I'm in the car; smallest plan I can get. When i'm out doing something, I'm out doing something, not talking on the #%*!ing phone. And I'll be damned if I wait until 9pm just to hold a relatively decent conversation with someone.*

and i'll be damned if i have to wait untill i get home to have that phone call.

(with my usage anyways the bills have never been an issue here in finland..)

voip is still very landline-like experience. and the truth is that very few people(that are under 40) get landlines anymore here in finland when they move to a new apartment. pretty simple reasons too.. landline per minute prices are not attractive when calling to cellphones and 99% of your personal calls would be to cellphones(if i get a call from my grandpa.. it's from a cell. if i call my aunt it's to her cell, if i call any of my friends it HAS to be to cell because they simple as that don't have landlines - and if they're home and i'm home i could just as well skype).

Re:VOIP is as the future... just like dial-up (1)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888185)

I guess that fits your lifestyle. Me, when I'm out and about and need to make a phone call, it's more along the lines of "where are you?", "where am I?", "do we need milk?", "how much beer should I get?", "I'm on fire, what do I do?", etc, etc. It's a 1 minute conversation, tops. When I want to have an actual conversation, well, I want to be home to do it. I know I'm not the only one.

Like I said before, I'm sure that VoIP isn't going to be a "niche", but I'm also sure it's not going to take over from cell phone useage. For some people, it just makes sense to have a cell phone. For others, it isn't monetarily practical (and, frankly, those little phones suck when you try to hold them against your shoulder and talk). I'm pretty confident they'll both hold very healthy shares of the market in the long run, provided the telcos (or cablecos) don't slap them down in some manner.

Re:VOIP is as the future... just like dial-up (1)

bahwi (43111) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888222)

Actually, they have some great rates such as $15 or $20 a month for VoIP, but my cel is $130/mo.

Damn, I got unlimited GPRS, we need a VoIP client for Symbian. Then my life'd be free. =)

Re:VOIP is as the future... just like dial-up (2, Insightful)

rindeee (530084) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887743)

I couldn't disagree any more strongly. I have a wife and kids at home. There is a great deal of phone use during "peak" hours when using a cell phone would cause one to go broke. I already use an enormous number of minutes on my cell for work, and have no desire to use more than I do. For $25 a month, I, my wife and kids can talk all they want, when they want to whomever they want. That makes working phone costs into the family budget a WHOLE lot easier. Cell phones are great, and they fill an important gap, but they do not (in most demographics) compete with landline.

ER

Re:VOIP is as the future... just like dial-up (4, Insightful)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887888)

Cell phones are great, and they fill an important gap, but they do not (in most demographics) compete with landline.

For now. But this article [gwhatchet.com] speaks of the future. A whole generation of college students is now seeing the landline as mostly irrelevant. They'll continue to see it that way as they enter the workforce, have kids, and buy those kids their own cell phones.

Landlines, as you point out, are not irrelevant _now_. But their the trend is definately moving in that direction.

Put another way, would you have invested much money in a buggy whip company if you could go back in time to 1900? Or typwriters if you stepped in the time machine to 1980? Or consumer landlines if you stepped in the time machine to.. well, no need to step. You'd take your short term profit, not invest for the long haul.

TW

Re:VOIP is as the future... just like dial-up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11888010)

Sure, a whole generation of college kids loves cell phones.

And a whole generation of college kids is going to have a huge wake-up call when they have to pay the friggin bill themselves!

Re:VOIP is as the future... just like dial-up (1)

Spoing (152917) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888224)

  1. Landlines, as you point out, are not irrelevant _now_. But their the trend is definately moving in that direction.

Just like traditional cell phones are moving toward extinction. Seriously. If you have an IP phone and an open connection, why bother with paying monthly fees?

The only other thing that needs to be dropped is the concept of a 'phone number' that you have to rent from a telcom company so people can find you. DNS routes, so why not use that? IP:spoing.jones@myserver.home.voip

Unfortunately, it will take 10-20 years; 10 for practical tech to catch up and to be widely used, +10 more for bad habits to be dropped.

Re:VOIP is as the future... just like dial-up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887865)

you must be blind, because you can't see worth shit.


bet you didn't call this!

Speculation (3, Insightful)

mr_tommy (619972) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887687)

Speculation on Google's intentions is almost as pointless as it is trying to guess when you'll die. The problem with basing stories on things like this (Google meeting with industry players) is that they could be doing so many other things; The Times run a similarly factually weak story early this year about how the company had plans to launch a VoIP service imminently. They based it of a story that Slashdot covered a month prior about how the company was buying dark fibre; now yes- it could be used for VoIP, but could be used for thousands of other things.

My point : Google != Microsoft. They haven't got a history of "leaking" stuff prior to product launch, and I doubt they'd do it this time.

Google in the phone business ? (2, Funny)

jpiggot (800494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887707)

Great.

Now it'll take four to eight weeks for my phone number to appear in the directory.

The truth about Google (0, Flamebait)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887718)

Many people believe that Goooogle is an honest and righteous company. I was researching the company as part of my employer's ethical business policy, and I was surprised about what I found.

At first I was impressed by Google's "Do No Evil" policy. This was until I doscovered that it wasn't a policy. It was a reminder. The board of directors are inherently evil and need to repeat the mantra to stop them from committing great sins.

First of all, Google trawls thorough the internet, copying everything it takes into its local cache. This is potentially copyright infringement, and theft of bandwidth. This is opt-out. Not opt-in. They also have no policy regarding long term storage of user's data.

But these are just surface problems. I did some further digging and was frightened by what I found. Google gained its success amde froma pact with the devil in 1999. Since it is a satanic product, mere use of google puts your soul in jeapordy. A google search for ""Satan" will give "The church of satan" and not one of the much more popular sites [chick.com]warning againt evil The CEO of Google eats children. Once a week, he orders that a child is taken from his dungeon, and slaughtered, then roast for 3 hours. After this, it is served to the CEO and guests. Those who do not join him are executed. Those who do are damned.

So I warn you. Stop using google. If not for your own soul, for the children.

Re:The truth about Google (-1, Offtopic)

selectspec (74651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887781)

Quit it with the FUD on eating children. It's a time honored tradition and in the right circumstances. I'm sick of /.'ers on their endless rampage against Satan, like they don't all run windows like everyone else.

Re:The truth about Google (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887858)

I'm sick of /.'ers on their endless rampage against Satan, like they don't all run windows like everyone else.

Interestingly, the Church of Satan website was produced on a mac. Shoudl I throw Apple into the axis of evil with Google?

Re:The truth about Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887929)

"Do No Evil" easilty transposes to "o No DEvil".

See how the capitals are growing word by word?

Well google's capital is growing that way too.

Coincidence? hmmmm. You must be new here.

Google IS SATAN

Ok now back sorting my brimstones.

Just once. (3, Insightful)

jwcorder (776512) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887720)

I would love to come to slashdot just one day out of the week and not see an article about what google MIGHT be doing or COULD be doing tomorrow. This is not news. Let me know when they ACTUALLY do something. And then only when it's something cool.

They got the technology (5, Funny)

LupeSpywalper (713932) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887733)

Maybe Google have found a way to search phone conversations. Maybe even in real time. So I can find an interesting conversation going on and just drop in.
And of course they will tie it to their map service. And no more dialling wrong numbers with their "did you mean" functionality. And maybe they could do a javascript "suggest topic" for those dull conversations ?

... targeted voice ads... (2, Interesting)

BewireNomali (618969) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887741)

... they'll archive all of your convos so they can intelligently search them, etc... you see where I'm going.

Isn't anyone worried that Google, in its clear aim to be all things to all people (ad supported, no less!) is now a burgeoning evil-empire threat (OS/Hardware independent). *shrugs*

These days I can tell the subject of my gmail emails by looking at the ads before I even read it. That was enough to send me scrambling for a rediffmail account.

Re:... targeted voice ads... (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887933)

It's not a question of threat, they are an evil empire *right now*. So far they've been doing only minorly evil things, and slashdot has ignored them. But they are now obliged to put profits before all else, and make no mistake, they will.

Hotsheet. (3, Funny)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887750)

::ring::ring::
-------------
"Dick."
"Bush. Say listen, we got uh ... thingy goin' on over here with them googuhl folk."
"wtf?"
"Naw, sersly, they got some new Very onerous Intercontinental Puhbombs."
"P bombs ... what?"
"Yeah, yeah and that's them folks that help those, uh, whatchacall'em ... poor people find all that informations on how blowed'in' things up and steal musics. Listen, can i get 'em?"
*sigh* "I'll get my coat. See you in a few."

"Search Inside" (1, Funny)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887766)

Heh, imagine being able to Google every phone call ever. Kind of an open source society.

Re:"Search Inside" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887875)

PLEASE! Just as long as I never have to hear of another vaporware product from Google again. We wouldn't have to worry about how they "have the intention" to move into something new.

Are Mousepads in Google's future? (5, Funny)

Dan East (318230) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887776)

Apparently, Google may begin manufacturing Mouse pads. According to an anonymous source, Google submitted an order for 150 pads. "Why would Google require so many mouse pads at once? Obviously they wish to study and analyze these pads so they can begin manufacturing themselves".

Another source said that some Google employees have had medical X-Rays as part of their health care screening. No word yet on when Google will begin manufacturing their own X-Ray equipment, but giving the combination of ivy-league graduates, the company-sponsored free-time employees are allowed, and the fact that they run a successful search engine, it is obviously only a matter of time. Look out General Electric!


Dan East

Makes Sense to Me (3, Interesting)

Rollsbot (859293) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887782)

It makes perfect sense to me. Everyone keeps saying that VoIP will be the end of the traditional phone system. So, what's everyone waiting on? Probably, a big company like Google get behind it and ensure that it's reliable, easy to use, and accessible.

What's more, imagine how valuable a Google ad would be if that ad resulted not only in a visit to your website but also a call to your business. Advertising has always been about getting calls; this makes it that much easier.

we are google, you will be assimilated... (2, Interesting)

kloidster (817307) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887786)

Google is to the information-age as Microsoft is to the computer-age.

As the web grows, their (or anybody else's) index will take longer to update, introducing a lag as to the relevancy of their links. They must know this as they are apparantly moving into new areas to grow their revenue. I wonder if they will be as profitable in things other than pay-per-click advertising...this move into VOIP seems like a move out of desperation.

[As far as those who contend the Microsoft analogy, then I would have to argue that google-bombing is perhaps the equivalent to an information virus. Sure it doesn't crash your system like a normal virus on an OS does, but it does crash the relevancy of their index.]

Google sucks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887789)

What will Google do next? Maybe they will sell dog food online. Or open a web portal to nowhere. How about funeral.google.com that allows you to buy your tombstone and casket online. Google lacks leadership and focus and seems to be run by idiots.

Come on (2, Insightful)

mattmentecky (799199) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887790)

It seems safe and trendy to speculate on anything Google is doing in the future.
A fanboy craze has swept Slashdot and it is safe to say that every interation that Google does or says or might do or might say, or hasn't done yet etc. gets reported like it is breaking news.

This isn't flamebait, it is just perspective people. Google made a great nifty little search engine, got boatloads of cash with their IPO, and now they are looking to spend and increase market share in...well, just about everything...

Here is my speculation of Google's future: they will have their hand in every project that they can, and if that isn't true, the speculation that they might will be reported regardless.

VoIP is a bitch to get right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11887806)

And almost no one has done it yet.

Annoys me how so many executives are pushing VoIP without any proper engineering.

Bah!

Google shouldn't follow Microsoft's approach... (4, Funny)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887832)

... and jump on every trend that comes and goes. It should stick with its core business: Helping people find porn.

Suggestion: New Slashdot Section. (2, Interesting)

Chatmag (646500) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887843)

Create a section for Google related articles.

Use "The Brain" from "Pinky and the Brain" for the icon.

Another Beta? (2, Interesting)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887846)

Why don't they just focus on getting the shit-load of other projects they have in Beta out to production?

Log phone calls (0)

skynetos (778296) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887850)

Yeah and next thing you know GOOGLE is Logging your phone calls, recording your phone calls etc...

Indexing your address book...

Google's track record and current practices do NOT make me feel comfortable using them as my phone carrier.

Nick D

In related news... (3, Funny)

A.K.A_Magnet (860822) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887862)

Google launches Google Monitor !

Google Executives introduced today the latest of Google services, based on Google VoIP.

Google Monitor will record every VoIP conversation Google and its partners route, and will allow you to search for vocal patterns to match a particular conversation you had you would like to listen again.

Sadly, the day turned awkward when it was reported on Slashdot, the (in)famous technologist blog, that searching for "Google and dominance of the world, we 0wn j00 n00b haha and BillG sux dickz" (sic!) in the Google Monitor Search Engine and clicking the "I'm lucking" button directed to a private conversation Larry Page and Sergey Brin had about this very service.

"We were simply high, man", declared the Google founders when we asked them for further explanations.

Well, it definitely explains many moves the company from Montain View had these last few years.



(I don't endorse this comment, I'm testing a beta quantum computer at my local university and it seems the Quantum Leap put some text from the future in my paste buffer ;) Or it seems I share something with the Larry/Sergey from the future :p)

Google is beta than u (1)

ThomS (866280) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887869)

"Of course, the question is whether they will support such items as Asterisk and FreeWorld or will they simply buy another company and tinker from that end." My spidey sense tells me some beta services are approaching.

Google's REAL next frontier (5, Funny)

ca1v1n (135902) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887871)

Google Pony (beta):

By combining advanced cloning, genetic engineering and nanotechnology, Google will provide a pony, free, to every boy or girl in the world that wants one. The ponies are photosynthetic, so they require no food, and they are infused with nanobots that recycle their own waste, so there's really no reason your parents can't let you have one.

Sipgate (0)

Hank Chinaski (257573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887878)

I'm using the VoIP provider Sipgate for 2 month now almost exclusively for all non-mobile fone calls. It works like a charm and is dirt cheap. With the fritz!box fon i can even use my old analog fon which really is very comfortable. It's so simple that even my mother in law uses VoIP in her home. I'm urging every i know to switch to VoIP.

Links:
Fritz!Box Fon [www.avm.de]
Sipgate [sipgate.co.uk]

Core competency (1)

blackhedd (412389) | more than 9 years ago | (#11887990)

What does Google do better than anyone else in the world? They can efficiently make observations and draw inferences across all of the world's electronic information. It's by far the biggest in-cache working set ever.

So how can you apply their unique knowledge to produce a VoIP service that is qualitatively better than can be offered by anyone else in the world? If there is no concrete answer to that question, then they shouldn't offer the service- it would be a bad business decision. Do any of you PhDs out there in slashdot-land know the answer?

Vonage (1)

Mr804 (12397) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888053)

I've been using vonage for a month and it seems to be pretty good quality for almost all of mine calls. I guess it's a hit or miss though depending on what your ISP is.

Free VOIP (1)

soceror (457881) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888082)

Skype is free and its quality's AWESOME!

Re:Free VOIP (1)

blackhedd (412389) | more than 9 years ago | (#11888192)

Skype doesn't play nice in the sandbox with the rest of the world. I hope you're not thinking Google would buy Skype and try to suppress SIP... horrors!
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