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Mario and Link Get Their Stars On the Walk of Game

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the hyrule-represent? dept.

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snuttepelle writes "Pong creator Nolan Bushnell and Donkey Kong maker Shigeru Miyamoto, along with gaming icons like Mario, have received the first-ever 'Walk of Game' stars for video games in San Francisco."

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Huh. (3, Interesting)

Wraithfighter (604788) | more than 9 years ago | (#11890233)

Anyone notice that, while its a Sony branded mall where this is taking place, that the characters on the walk are all Nintendo, the two people are the Pong creator and Nintendo, and the first game was Bungie (and, by ownership, Microsoft)? Are there actually any Sony titles with a star in the Sony shopping center? Just a thought...

Re:Huh. (4, Interesting)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 9 years ago | (#11890351)

Not that surprising...

Sony is great and they have some original characters, but compared to Nintendo they haven't been around that long.

The first ones to go onto the "Walk" are characters, games, and persons that helped make modern gaming what it is today. Heck, any gamer (old or young) know who Mario and Link are and are at least familiar with Pong.

Sony's stuff will come in soon. Besides, if the first entries were Metal Gear's Snake and Final Fantasy, it would look like they were just patting themselves on the back instead of being true to gaming. Start with the earlier popular stuff and move on from there

Re:Huh. (1)

Chi Hsuan Men (767453) | more than 9 years ago | (#11890989)

>Sony's stuff will come in soon. Besides, if the first entries were Metal Gear's Snake and Final Fantasy, it would look like they were just patting themselves on the back instead of being true to gaming

What...what....whaaaaaat? Sony's stuff?

Not to pick nits, but Metal Gear and Final Fantasy were originally NINTENDO titles....

Re:Huh. (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891508)

Not to pick nits, but Metal Gear and Final Fantasy were originally NINTENDO titles....


Agreed.

But most of the Snake's popularity comes from "Metal Gear Solid" and beyond, which were pioneered on Sony consoles. His Nintendo days were less-than-stellar, but Solid really put him in the spotlight.

As for Final Fantasy, yeh I remember playing that back in the day. However, I was speaking as to how most of the FF games have been Sony games, including the very popular ones. Heck, I could see them putting "Yuna" there eventually (for popularity alone).

Re:Huh. (1)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891700)

I was speaking as to how most of the FF games have been Sony games

The only thing Sony about these FF games are that they are designed for the Sony consoles. They were developed and produced by Squaresoft (Square Enix now). They are definitely NOT Sony games any more so than Half Life 2 is a Microsoft game.

Re:Huh. (1)

Doomstalk (629173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11896353)

And let's not forget that Final Fantasy started on a Nintendo console, and Metal Gear on Nintendo/Microsoft hardware (NES and MSX).

Re:Huh. (1)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891572)

Not to pick nits, but Metal Gear and Final Fantasy were originally NINTENDO titles....

More importantly, neither of them were developed/produced by Sony (or Nintendo for that matter). Sony's stuff would be the stuff done by its first (and perhaps second) party development units...I wouldn't call any game that happens to run on a Sony platform a "Sony" game. Otherwise you have to start calling any PC game a <shudder> Microsoft (or Intel or AMD or Dell, etc.) game.

Re:Huh. (1)

RQuinn (521500) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891689)

Is Halo really a game that makes modern gaming what it is today? How is that not "patting themselves on the back"?

From the Walk of Game website:
Walk of Game is the first-of-its-kind landmark honoring the icons and pioneers of the videogame industry.

They don't claim anything about honouring games/characters that innovate, just icons, which means it's nothing more that a popularity contest. While it makes sense to aim for the lowest common denominator like that, it's dissapointing to those of us who would like to see the games that were significant (yet often much less popular) be honoured.

Re:Huh. (2, Insightful)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891776)

How is that not "patting themselves on the back"?

The OP was talking about how if they put Sony characters/games first, it would look like nothing more than shameless self promotion (since the Mall is owned by Sony). Since Halo isn't a Sony game, they aren't patting themselves on the back.

which means it's nothing more that a popularity contest

And the walk of fame is any better? Have you ever seen a list [wikipedia.org] of the people in the walk of fame? Keanu Reeves? Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen?

Re:Huh. (1)

justforaday (560408) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891902)

Since Halo isn't a Sony game, they aren't patting themselves on the back.

I'm sure the fact that Microsoft has a huge store upstairs at the Metreon has nothing to do with it either...

note: nearly every store in the Metreon is a Sony store of some sort, with the exception of the MS store.

Re:Huh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11892613)

The walk of fame is exactly what it claims to be - a walk with FAMOUS people on it. The Walk of Game claims that it's "...the first-of-its-kind landmark honoring the icons and pioneers of the videogame industry." So icons would be famous video game characters and developers.

However, pioneers makes it sound like they should be including some - well, pioneers.

Re:Huh. (1)

necronom426 (755113) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891991)


Heck, any gamer (old or young) know who Mario and Link are and are at least familiar with Pong.


Ermm, I'm not trying to be flamebait here, but I am 33 years old and have been playing computer games and programming since 1981 and I don't know who Link is.

I would have thought that the really famous characters would have been picked. If I don't know who Link is, then I can guarantee that the general public won't have a clue.

Re:Huh. (1)

gimpynerd (864361) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892143)

Seems all my peers know who Link is and a lot of them aren't gamers...but then again I'm half your age.

Re:Huh. (1)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892186)

Ermm, I'm not trying to be flamebait here, but I am 33 years old and have been playing computer games and programming since 1981 and I don't know who Link is.

This is what happens when you name the games after the girl you have to save instead of the hero. "Princess Toadstool 64" anyone?

To the parent: You have heard of "Zelda", right? Link is the hero in those games. And this walk is meant for console gamers, not computer gamers.

Re:Huh. (1)

necronom426 (755113) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892418)

"Princess Toadstool 64" - nope, not heard of that one either.

Zelda! Yep, that's more like it. I've never played it, but I've played a similar thing (The Speris Legacy on the Amiga). Thanks for clearing that up.

I thought it must have been from an X-Box, Nintendo or Sega console as I've never had any of those.

The only colsoles I've ever had are the Atari 2600, Playstation and PS2 (and when it's out a PS3). Apart from that is was all computers: Vic-20; C64; Amiga 500; Amiga 1200; PC.

Can't tell if you are kidding but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11895148)

He was making fun of how Zelda is the girl you rescue in the Zelda series, despite the fact that the games focus on you the hero Link rescuing her and the magical Triforces. Nintendo called the first game "The Legend of Zelda" and their naming scheme has stayed this way ever since.

The Mario Brothers series doesn't have this flaw, since Mario and Luigi are the stars of the game and usually have the job of rescuing Princess Toadstool. Thus they put "Princess Toadstool 64", instead of "Mario 64" to point out how ridicules the Zelda series naming scheme Nintendo has gotten itself into.

Re:Can't tell if you are kidding but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11900228)

Well, the box for Zelda II: The Adventure of Link had the word "LINK" in huge letters just like The Legend of Zelda had "ZELDA" on it. I remember the clerk of a toy store talking to a customer about the series specifically called the games "Zelda" and "Link" for short. For the third game, I'm sure everyone involved agreed that keeping the series title as The Legend of Zelda sounded much better, but they kept Link's name in the subtitle for A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening. The Ocarina of Time marked the end of that trend.

Re:Huh. (2, Insightful)

MilenCent (219397) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892184)

Sony is actually fairly lacking in interesting characters, unless you count things like Ape Escape. Crash Bandicoot used to be well-identified with them, but not anymore, and anyway he was never owned by them.

Snake is more accurately a Konami character (and remember that one MGS game has appeared on the Gamecube), and Final Fantasy is obviously Squeenix (and they make Final Fantasy games, or at least games that contain the words "Final Fantasy" in the title, for Gamecube, and ports of older FFs for GBA, among other systems).

Re:Huh. (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892839)

I'd put Lara Croft in for nominee before Crash.

IMHO she did more for the 3D action genre than Mario too. She made 3D games ok for adults. That's something both Mario and Crash couldn't do in the N64/PS2 first generation rivalry.

Re:Huh. (1)

MilenCent (219397) | more than 9 years ago | (#11897770)

IMHO she did more for the 3D action genre than Mario too. She made 3D games ok for adults.

I'll spare you the usual (and, for the record, accurate) comment about Mario games not being specifically for kids but rather being kind of "age agnostic." (While Crash looked like someone was trying too hard.)

There was once a time when Lara Croft and Mario were seen as the two standard-bearers of the coming age of 3D gaming. Since then, Croft has become almost more well-known as an action movie character than game protagonist, while the basic control mechanic in Mario 64 has essentially defined what the term "3D platformers" means.

So I suppose this means I disagree with you about what the Tomb Raider games "did" for the 3D action genre. While the games may have had sterling puzzle design in places, Lara's breasts tend to be what people remember about the series these days. Which is kind of a shame, as it not only set back what could be seen as a real prototype of the kind of dungeon play later found in the N64 Zelda games, but also the cause of female protagonists in games.

Straight from the horses mouth (4, Informative)

curtisk (191737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11890284)

Walk of Game website [walkofgame.com] for more info and possible voting on 2006 nominees

Re:Straight from the horses mouth (0)

zonker (1158) | more than 9 years ago | (#11894211)

understanding that this is geared for consoles not computer games (so no, you won't see spacewar or elite there) it would seem that there are some games like pacman, tetris and street fighter that are pretty important to gaming to name a few others.

pacman is pretty obvious. tetris made the gameboy relevent. street fighter set the standard for every fighting game since.

i would also suggest that they should put e.t. in there too as it was umm... quite influential. however it might be best located in near the bathrooms or somesuch...

(it should be noted that some of these games started as a computer game but were much more successful as a console port)

Sense of History? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11890297)

You know, when I first read the /. headline, I thought... "Cool. Nice to see some sense of history in the gaming biz."

But then I RTFA and came across this...

Bungie's masterpiece Halo became the first video game to have its own star on the Walk of Game - a riff on the Walk of Fame stars in Hollywood.

Give me a break. The number of games that are not only superior, but also of greater historical significance are too numerous to count.
Sense of history, indeed.

Re:Sense of History? Not! (1)

cainpitt (682782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891057)

You are not kidding my friend. How about Id's masterpiece Wolfenstein 3D or Id's materpiece Doom? After all these games started the genre that made Halo such a "masterpiece" What significant contribution did Halo bring to games besides a reason to actually purchase an X-Box?

Re:Sense of History? Not! (1)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891660)

How about Id's masterpiece Wolfenstein 3D or Id's materpiece Doom?

From TFA: "...the first-ever 'Walk of Game' stars for video games..."

Video games != computer games. Most people, when they talk of "video games," are talking about console games exclusively. The line is becoming less fine (for example, you can now find "Doom 3" for the PC on both the Video Games and Software sections of Amazon), but I think (and the recent inductees back this up) that this is geared toward consoles only.

Re:Sense of History? Not! (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892399)

If you really want to argue semantics of this, lets take it way back to video gaming back before consoles, when video gaming was solely found in arcades. To that end, shouldn't we be seeing something like Pac Man getting a star?

Re:Sense of History? Not! (0)

zonker (1158) | more than 9 years ago | (#11893818)

yeah, well as you said the line is pretty vague. for example, you can find wolf3d [chello.at] , doom and quake on consoles and hell you can even find commander keen on gameboy! i think to many people computer game and video game mean the same thing even if you and i know the (ever increasing subtle) difference...

The Metreon is so embarrassing. (0)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 9 years ago | (#11890596)

It looks like eight stories of tempered glass stupid. The showcase stores are idiotic, unless you are a raving fanboy of whatever subject they showcase, and then you probably don't give a flying rat's ass about the other stores. Just your Warhammer, or whatever. The arcade... is better than some other arcades I've been to, but that is saying nothing.

I'm glad to have a movie theater right next to BART. As a movie theater, it passes. Aside from that, I wish the Metreon would sink into the Earth and never return.

The Walk of Game is their attempt to figure out what to do with the braindead architecture. There's this suspended walkway for no reason on one of the floors. And Mario & Link have been on that idiotic walkway for at least six months. Keep in mind, this means the "Walk of Game" is owned by Sony. Somehow I doubt that they've gone and set up an independent commission to determine who goes on the Walk of Game. Also, the suspended glass walkway isn't very long. Maybe they expect to expand it throughout the building, but more likely it's just a one-time PR thing that now I've spent way, way too much time thinking about.

A Pong Paddle (3, Funny)

OAB_X (818333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11890763)

How would they get the pong paddle as a picture on the star? I mean, a vertical pipe?

ls | pong

Re:A Pong Paddle (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#11890823)

in short
like this | '|

then this |. |

Bungie?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11890856)

I'm a big fan of mario and I think this is really neat. I now own all of the consoles and am most impressed with my XBOX. Since not many of my friends play games I can use Live to play with real people! However, I instantly discredit this thing if they put Halo as one of the best games ever. Lets get honest here people, Halo wasn't that great. Sure the multiplayer was cool and the story was decent, but what about the level design, the repetitive gameplay, 6 hours long, terrible AI, easy as sin, and it wasn't online enabled. I wonder if they've ever played Half-Life, Starcraft, Warcraft, Metroid, etc. Lets get some people with REAL gaming experience voting for games!

Flaimbait +1!

Re:Bungie?!? (2, Interesting)

HarvardAce (771954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891866)

However, I instantly discredit this thing if they put Halo as one of the best games ever.

Don't look at this as an assembly of the best games ever. Look at this as a "who's who in video games." Much like the walk of fame in Hollywood has just about every even moderately famous or popular actor/actress on it (Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen, for example), this is really just a way to recognize the popular games/characters of the time. And whether you think it was a good game or not, it is one of the only successful FPS games available on a console.

I wonder if they've ever played Half-Life, Starcraft, Warcraft, Metroid, etc.

The first 3 are PC games, not video games. While the time when video game exclusively meant a console game has passed, I think the emphasis here is on console games. I'm sure Metroid/Samus will be there eventually, as will your Pokémon, Sonic, Final Fantasy, etc.

Slashdot: News for Nerds. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11892608)

Slashdot: News for Nerds. The End.

I think it's now sufficiently safe to remove "Stuff that matters" from the slogan :/

Once again... (2, Funny)

neilyos (671220) | more than 9 years ago | (#11894817)

Once again, Luigi gets the shaft.

Re:Once again... (1)

MonkeyCookie (657433) | more than 9 years ago | (#11902379)

In the latest Paper Mario game, Luigi appears at one point and gripes about how Mario always gets to do the cool stuff while Luigi stays at home.

So Luigi pretty much said "Screw Mario" (although in nicer words), and went out and found his own adventure with his own princess waiting to be rescued.

WTF? (1)

Cooler1011 (829888) | more than 9 years ago | (#11899996)

Shigeru Miyamoto wasn't on it already?
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