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U.S. Approves IBM/Lenovo Sale

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the nipple-mouse-now-unamerican dept.

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MartinB writes with the "Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) review result: unanimous approval for the sale to go ahead, with no further external approvals needed. No compromises were required over the location of Lenovo facilities in sensitive research areas, nor were limits put on Lenovo's ability to sell PCs to U.S. agencies."

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Go ahead America (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891339)

Sell another peice of yourself.

Re:Go ahead America (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891396)

As I understand it, this sale is more of a few-years lease.

Re:Go ahead America (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891656)

Sorta. The division itself is being sold outright, but the ability to badge the computers as IBMs is a five-year deal.

Re:Go ahead America (0, Flamebait)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891670)

Given that when you show Chinese entrepenuers how to build anything, they'll immediately transfer that knowledge to their brother-in-law down the street to make cheap cloned products, I'd say the sale is pretty much permanent! Anybody want to start a pool on how soon bootleg thinkpads hit the market?

Re:Go ahead America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891735)

I don't think laptops were included in the deal.

Re:Go ahead America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891843)

Yes they were. There have been advertisements in the WSJ for a while now.

Re:Go ahead America (3, Informative)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892293)

I thought that IBM laptops were already being built in China. So any informal "technology transfer" would have already been going on. This is just selling them the business side of the operation. What, you're worried that they'll learn secrets American shady accounting practices and stock manipulation? Where the hell are they gonna outsource all their jobs to to pump up their stock?!!!!

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891345)

yep, hector got it again!

IF IT = FRICTION BURN IN TEH ASSCRACK, HECTOR (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891796)

I blame Bush (-1, Flamebait)

HMA2000 (728266) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891352)

All this deal does is put money in the fatcat's pockets. It has nothing to do with sound business decisions. Karl Rove probably penned the deal.

Re:I blame Bush (4, Insightful)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891433)

Um... "Sound business decisions" in a business sense are all about making money. If this "decision" puts money in the fatcat's pockets then it sounds like a "sound business decision" for him.

In the larger market sense it may or may not be a good thing, but that certainly depends on your POV. However, I disagree with the prevailing sentiment here that all mergers are inherently evil and motivated by monopolistic greed. Sometimes the logistical considerations are such that a merger can benefit everyone.

Re:I blame Bush (3, Interesting)

shanen (462549) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891717)

All this deal does is put money in the fatcat's pockets. It has nothing to do with sound business decisions. Karl Rove probably penned the deal.
While that's true of a lot of deals, I don't think it's the big motivation in this specific case, and IBM is a relatively non-political company. Lots of metrics, though the obvious one is political donations--and to the best of my knowledge IBM does not donate to political parties or encourage employees in any way to donate. (I don't think it matters which way the big money goes--it is fundamentally harmful to the political system, and whichever side gets it, it produces a kind of political "arms race" as the other side tries to catch up. For example, Teddy Roosevelt and Ike were both strongly against political donations from companies.)

However, I also disagree that share price should be taken as the only metric of company success. Any single metric that becomes too dominant will imbalance things and have ultimately negative consequences. In this specific case, I think it's part of the general hollowing out of American industry and strengthening of Chinese industry--which mostly reminds me of what happened in America before the Civil War. The South became a militarily-strong, industrially-weak debtor.

From the more narrow perspective of IBM, my main concern is that this deal could weaken IBM's "empathy" for customers in lower-margin businesses. Unfortunately, the way the numbers work, most companies are average or below by any specific metric, which in this case means that most of IBM's corporate customers are involved in relatively low-margin businesses. IBM won't share that situation with them after this.

One more thing in the "other values" category. For example, one of IBM's other non-share-price values is "supporting diversity" by deliberately hiring many kinds of people. Well, I think that "supporting commodity computers" is also a value that was worth supporting and something that benefits a lot of people, even if the profits are slim. However, in IBM's specific case, all of the high-margin businesses depend on computers, so there's a strong and direct benefit from that support...

Computers with closed eyes (-1, Troll)

michelcultivo (524114) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891355)

WoW, Now we'll have computers with closed eyes and poor hardware. "La garantia soy yo!"

Good news for tech (3, Funny)

Serveert (102805) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891357)

Happy times are here again.

I should explain.. (5, Insightful)

Serveert (102805) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891496)

IBM is faced with the same dillema HP faces.

The only way to make money in the PC biz is by selling directly to consumers, bypassing the supply chain of stores, merchants, etc. But this conflicts with, among other things, IBM's consulting business which relies upon dealing with people, building relationships, rubbing backs, etc., etc.

HP faces a similar problem. The only way for them to make money in the PC biz is to sell directly to consumers. But this conflicts with their need for pushing printers and printer supplies which requires using the supply chain.

Instead HP is shedding money with their PC selling business and not doing so well in the printer biz. Good job Carly! But I digress.

Let the Chinese have the fun task of competing head on with Dell, IBM will do what they do best.

Re:I should explain.. (1)

aquarian (134728) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891804)

The only way to make money in the PC biz is by selling directly to consumers, bypassing the supply chain of stores, merchants, etc.

I dunno, Apple seems to be doing pretty well.

Re:I should explain.. (2, Insightful)

Serveert (102805) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891844)

That's because they don't compete head on with Dell. Dell doesn't and cannot sell Apple hardware for good reason. There was a good article in Business Week about this, it's common knowledge. Expect HP to shed their online PC selling business soon.

Re:I should explain.. (2, Insightful)

jester22c (613967) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892208)

You're exactly right.

IBM makes a great deal of their PC sales through business/government contracts in which X machines are purchased and supported for X number of years.

Their business image has faded in late and their contracts have migrated to other vendors. I provide hardware support within a large corporation. Our IBM contract was nixed a long time ago for Dell whom has served us much better.

IBM... China can keep 'em

You just need to learn the Company Anthem... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891676)

Good news for tech
Happy times are here again.

Words can be found here [pythonland.com]

Re:You just need to learn the Company Anthem... (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891935)

If you hum a few bars, I'll fake it.

Dragon eating the eagle (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891368)

.............just kidding ;)

In Other News... (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891370)

The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) approved the sale of Slashdot to Elbonian investors. New color schemes will be in earth tones. "Yes, different colors of mud!", stated one of the eventual new managers of the enterprise.

Re:In Other News... (1)

Shut the fuck up! (572058) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891568)

Cool. After the sale, Slashdot will finally have an excuse to suck.

The delicate art of landing in Elbonia... (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891698)

Let's all hope that a plump Elbonian [dilbert.com] is taking a walk when CmdrTaco lands there [dilbert.com] after being tossed out of the plane.

Re:In Other News... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891795)

They're already at it!!! [slashdot.org]

sweet now we can be owned by china (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891372)

this is golbalization at its best! Soon we will all be running chinese made laptops! god bless america and her polices towards communist countries.

GW Bush your da man!

Re:sweet now we can be owned by china (3, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891415)

this is golbalization at its best! Soon we will all be running chinese made laptops! god bless america and her polices towards communist countries.

You don't have to be Carnac to guess most motherboards, CD drives, DVD drives, PSUs, cabinets and wiring is already being manufactured in the PRC.

Chances are the keyboard and mouse you used in your posting, as well as the screen you are viewing, came from there as well.

i for one welcome our new Lenoverlords!

PowerPCs here we come (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891395)

The x86 is done.

Re:PowerPCs here we come (1, Funny)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891467)

Hmm, looks like anything that remotely praises Apple gets modded up on slashdot. So here we go... Steve Jobs <3 <3 <3

Re:PowerPCs here we come (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891629)

Yea, because PowerPC = Apple.

You just go ahead and tell that to Motorola & IBM who helped design the sucker.

Tell it to IBM who uses it in major servers (ok ok, that's POWER, but the line between POWER and PowerPC is blurring with the G5).

Maybe some people are just happy to be leaving the x86 behind, at long last? Even the x86 chip makers are leaving it behind in favour of the x86-64.

Re:PowerPCs here we come (2, Informative)

LesPaul75 (571752) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891723)

Even the x86 chip makers are leaving it behind in favour of the x86-64.
x86-64 doesn't leave anything behind. It just adds 64-bit registers and addressing to the existing x86 architecture. It carries all the ugly x86 baggage right along with it. Very similar to the transition from "real mode" (16-bit) to "protected mode" (32-bit), except that x86-64 is actually even less of a transition. Protected mode brought with it lots of new stuff, besides just 32-bit registers and addressing.

Re:PowerPCs here we come (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891644)

What the hey, let's try this, too: Steve Jobs <==8 <==8 <==8

tee hee...

Windows is done (4, Interesting)

w42w42 (538630) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891544)

Windows isn't really done, but this was my thought when IBM put their pc business up for sale. Back in the day, it was this group because of pressure from Microsoft that would put up internal ibm roadblocks to their own OS/2. I imagine they initially weren't that friendly to Linux, either. Dumping this low-margin business though has the added benefit of letting IBM focus on their hardware and services. If IBM wants to sell Linux, OS/400, Windows, etc, there's not much msft can do about it legally or otherwise now.

Re:PowerPCs here we come (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891590)

The x86 is done.

What about the Dragon [theinquirer.net] CPU? You know, the homebrew one which will keep China free from IP shackles in the Santa Clara?

Re:PowerPCs here we come (2, Funny)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891856)

Much as I liked the Dragon, I don't think there's much space for a 6809 based Tandy CoCo clone in 2005 even if, with substantial upgrades, it can run OS-9 (no, not Mac OS 9, the multitasking thing.)

Re:PowerPCs here we come (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891611)

eh, what about Dell, 6% profit on 49 BILLION $ in revenue and growing isn't too shabby.

Dell is an Intel only shop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891736)

PowerPCs don't make those 3 notes that account for 50% of Dell's advertising budget.

Re:PowerPCs here we come (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891653)

Huh? What kind of logic is that? IBM may have been one of the larger PC manufacturers, but by no means the largest. The largest, Dell, exclusively uses x86 (specifically Intel's x86 processors) and I doubt they'd dump their huge investment in that platform in favor of PPC.

Re:PowerPCs here we come (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891775)

Dell is in a bad position currently, due to their reliance on the worst of the two x86 chip makers.

AMD is ahead in the race; Intel put a lot into Itanium and it flopped, hard.

Now, Dell stands a good chance of missing the x86 64bit consumer market. Lucky for them, Microsoft has proven to be the biggest factor in the slow adoption of new tech (just like it was with USB & 1394).

Of course, the original post didn't imply Dell was dumping x86, but rather that IBM would be pushing PPC more in the future.

Strange that (4, Funny)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891406)

Orgnisations with bucket loads of money get a decision they want. Film at 11.

Re:Strange that (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891586)


I for one welcome our Communist Overlords. Hail Mao!

Re:Strange that (2, Insightful)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891626)

So apart from being a wiseass, do you have a good reason why the sale should NOT be approved?

Re:Strange that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891785)

do you have a good reason why the sale should NOT be approved?

they took our jobs! [tvtome.com]

Re:Strange that (1)

ErikTheRed (162431) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892116)

So apart from being a wiseass, do you have a good reason why the sale should NOT be approved?
Yeah, every other year or so I need my ThinkPad fix!!! Yes, this reason is 100% purely selfish. What can I say? I'm an addict...

Re:Strange that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11892197)

So apart from being a wiseass, do you have a good reason why the sale should NOT be approved?

Most all computer hardware is already made in mainland China or Taiwan anyway. When the two regions finally go to war, we'll probably have a couple of years of essentially no new available computers.

That would be a good thing, because developers would finally have an incentive to step back and address the software bloat that has been building up unhindered for 25 years. I say go ahead with the sale.

I can't wait (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891408)

to buy a raptop from them.

Re:I can't wait (0)

NoTheory (580275) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891589)

Yeah, real clever, making fun of how somebody speaks.

Of course it might help if you got the right foriegn language speakers. Japanese is notorious for not having an l/r distinction, not Mandarin (or Cantonese as far as i'm aware).

Distinguish your asians, jerk.

Re:I can't wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891657)

me so sorry.

Re:I can't wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11892032)

correction me so solly

Re:I can't wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891737)

Ah, it's all so clear now: Scooby-Doo and Astro have japanese accents

Re:I can't wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891813)

it's just a fucking joke, asswipe. i know the difference between japanese and chinese and i modded him funny anyway - it's a fucking JOKE!

p.s. welcome to my foes list

Re:I can't wait (1)

NoTheory (580275) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892071)

But it's not funny. Even had it been a japanese company, it's barely recongizable as a joke :p And it's irritating because it just serves to further untrue stereotypes.

I can take a joke. i won't take easily avoided misinformation.

Re:I can't wait (0)

Coppertone (10332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891742)

I don't speak like that and I am a chinese!

I am offended....

Re:I can't wait (1)

j0e_average (611151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891888)

But I'm sure you'll get over it quickly...after all, this is Slashdot.

Re:I can't wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11892101)

Obviously, you don't the language deficit listed above is a japanese one. Now my wife is Chinese and she does lawn the mow and confuses chicken and kitchen. But then you should hear my chinese. We need to laugh at our seperate short comings. Well mine isn't that short, well anyway.

Re:I can't wait (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891899)

Hohoho you're so clever! It's like the non-computing version of jokes like "M$", "Lin-sucks", "Crapintosh", etc!

The OSI called, they want you to be their next President.

Re:I can't wait (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891938)

Don't you mean.. Chinkpad?

No biggie... (4, Insightful)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891414)

THis was only on the "security" issues...

In truth, most all of the materials are now made in China, Taiwan, Korea, Malaysia, etc.

So in such light PC and component manufacturering really doesn't pose a "security" risk. Which is what this was ALL about.

The jobs aren't there to begin with...so no worry over loss of jobs moving to China.

Re:No biggie... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11892041)

Wrong. The fact that americans were calling the shots allowed them to maintain at least some standard of quality. Soon if you want a PC that isn't a complete piece of shit, your choices will be limited to Dell, Apple, and build it yourself.

It's a big loss to the market, just like socks from walmart being the standard. Remember when they could survive more than two trips to the washing machine.

Re:No biggie... (2, Interesting)

StillNeedMoreCoffee (123989) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892284)

I beg your pardon. These pc's come with code. That code will be created and loaded by another country that certainly mixes more politics and business than we do, well that seems to be changing.

What could happen. Well thousands of PC's delivered with back doors embedded. Possibly like a number of Electronic voting machines that do not disclose their source code.

We of course are economic partners with China, well maybe not on the issues of Taiwan independance or North Korean behavior or Tibet. Wasn't there a airspace incident not to many years ago. What about Tien a Min square and currently the issues with the Fa Lung Gong (well they might have a point there). China has a good face which is hard to see behind, culturally. They will do whats best for China and when the shit hits the fan which it might over Taiwan there could be a major economic price we pay. If our PC production is off shore we could have to play catch up to get back to where we are on track technologically.

So there could be a number of security issues, whats really in the boxes themselves and control over the supply of the necesarry resource.

I am surprised that the government did not think that there might be one or two issues that needed more thought here. Or is the Chinese economic stick already big enough to make us not question the possible implications of this kind of sale.

Wow, I'm moving to China (0)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891416)

Perhaps there will be jobs in China for me to work in? At least the food is better, if not as diverse.

Re:Wow, I'm moving to China (2, Informative)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891535)

Yeah, but it'll be even harder to find a wife... gender-selective abortions have been quite popular in China for several decades now.

P.S. doesn't China have at least 4 different dialects and regional cuisines?

Re:Wow, I'm moving to China (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891551)

Perhaps there will be jobs in China for me to work in? At least the food is better, if not as diverse.

Yeah, they probably don't actually use MSG in all the restaurants over there. You will probably notice the food looks a bit more rustic than the local Ho-Lee Chow [holeechow.com] or a can of La Choy.

The BBC has been carrying a number of analysis articles on China, where the economy is booming and where it isn't. Still shooting for 7% growth this year and they'll probably make it, while the rest of the world scrambles to sell them raw materials. Notice mining and steel companies are suddenly hot items?

MSG (1)

aquarian (134728) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891852)

Yeah, they probably don't actually use MSG in all the restaurants over there.

Fat chance! Where do you think the idea came from? They use piles of it, literally. There's often a mound of it next to the stove, where a Western chef would have his salt/pepper/herbs/spices.

Re:Wow, I'm moving to China (1)

StillNeedMoreCoffee (123989) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892328)

But they are outruning their infrastructure. They dont have the power distirbution, water, roads, etc to support that kind of sustained growth. It should be interesting to see what happens.

Re:Wow, I'm moving to China (1)

periol (767926) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892248)

At least the food is better, if not as diverse.

diversity is always in the eye of the beholder. i mean, all the food may look the same, but you'd be surprised how different all those stray dogs taste.

Surprised (2, Interesting)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891422)

I'm surprised that they even thought of stopping the deal. I've always viewed USA as a country that tries very hard to support businesses.

Shell Games (4, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891932)

Yes, but for generations the USA business support was dressed up in attacks on Communism. IBM is a symbol of American business (the "B" stands for "Business") - selling their PC biz to a Chinese company is a little strange, in that light. But it really just shows how "Communism" and "Capitalism" are just the ways to describe how governments do business, which would be an unacceptable mix in a pure version of either system.

Re:Surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891953)

I've always viewed USA as a country that tries very hard to support businesses.

Support business / whore for business. Such a fine line!

"After all, the chief business of the American people is business." - Calvin Coolide ( often misquoted as 'The business of America is business!'))

. . . and we all know what a great President he was.

IBM Hardware (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891438)

What will become of the beloved Thinkpads? Will Lenovo continue to maintain the same level of quality that IBM has?

More interestingly, I'd be interested to see if IBM started producing affordable powerpc laptops and desktops running Linux. It seems Microsoft can no longer wield the Windows tax against IBM.

Re:IBM Hardware (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891518)

With the XBox 2 using a form of windows on powerpc, that may not be tur for long. If powerpc does start to gain significant marketshare, don't doubt that Microsoft wouldn't port a version of windows to it again, like with NT 4.0.

Re:IBM Hardware (2)

Coppertone (10332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891815)

*I am an IBM Employee but I don't work in PC section*

I think Thinkpad will still be what it is as long as they are using IBM logo - I believe IBM would not let lenovo stick an IBM logo on anything that is not up to our standard. Thinkpad has been manufactured in Shenzhen, Southern China since a few years ago and I still drop my thinkpad and not sweating a bit...

Though when they finally removed IBM logo from Thinkpad, I may start to consider whether they still keeping the same quality

Re:IBM Hardware (0)

retinaburn (218226) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891823)

IBM will not be producting any PC hardware. They cannot compete with the Dell's of the world. They sold off their PC business because they can't compete, getting right back in the thick of it would be silly and ridiculous. Of course time will tell :)

Re:IBM Hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891984)

Speaking of Thinkpads, I'd just love to know if anyone has gotten 3d acceleration to work on the firegl cards IBM includes in the high end T42 models using ATI's drivers. Anyone?

wow, anti-globalisation theme day on slashdot (5, Insightful)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891453)

The article is ~ 5 minutes old, and there's 10+ anti-china/america sold out posts already.

China and Taiwan ~already~ mass-produce the vast majority of systems components, their final assembly was pretty much the only remaining domestic manufacturing process. Also, IBM is being VERY wise in this regard, cashing in a unit that has very little future projected revenue growth and miniscule profit margins, and will gain the capital for some future expansion. PCs are a commodity business, and with the exception of Dell are probably a loss-leader for most companies now (e.g. IBM, HP/Compaq).

This is a wise business move by IBM, and it was wise for the US gov't to involve themselves in the sale. The technology is 20+ years old, the industry is commoditised, and its all open-standards based... there is no strategic threat here.

Re:wow, anti-globalisation theme day on slashdot (1)

LittleStone (18310) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891722)

The article is ~ 5 minutes old, and there's 10+ anti-china/america sold out posts already.
Well, that's why they should keep the commoditised industry here. Otherwise where will these posters work then?

global goggles (4, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892018)

The IBM/Lenovo sale is IBM's strategy to sell past China's protectionist trade barriers. It's gotten wide support because it's probably unique in requiring the Chinese company to move some operations to the US, to allow IBM to use them to reach the Chinese market with the rest of their products and services. It's kind of odd how your pro-globalism post bashes people suspicious of IBM sending essential industry to China, but doesn't complain about those Chinese protectionist barriers. Is your "globalism" really just a cover for a culture war you prefer to actual free global trade?

What does IBM know that we don't? (5, Interesting)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891475)

Does this deal leave IBM free to persue building a new PC based on Cell Processor and/or PowerPC technology, instead of the increasingly less efficient x86? If so, selling off the trailing edge x86 business would just be a smart business move, wouldn't it?

Re:What does IBM know that we don't? (3, Interesting)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891714)

Hmm... are you thinking a really cheap version of this? [ibm.com]

1-way SMP with 1.0GHz or 1 or 2-way 1.45GHz POWER4+ microprocessor
1.5MB L2 and 8MB ECC L3 cache
Up to 16GB of ECC SDRAM memory with Chipkill
Up to 4 Ultra320 SCSI hot-swap 10K or 15K RPM disk drives
Six PCI-X adapter slots
Gigabit Ethernet and 10/100 Ethernet standard
Select from 2D and 3D graphics accelerators
IBM's CATIA V4 performance leader.

Re:What does IBM know that we don't? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892148)

It's a pretty nice machine but would a low-cost version really compete well against an Opteron-based workstation?

Re:What does IBM know that we don't? (1)

Scorchio (177053) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891941)

Cringley [pbs.org] has been mulling over this in recent columns... His theory is that IBM pulling out of the PC market releases them from Microsoft's OEM stranglehold, and by investing more time, money and effort into the Cell processor, they may be looking to free themselves of Intel's hold, too. Cell-powered, unix/linux servers? Wild speculation it may be, but it's believable.

American Manufacturing : RIP (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891531)

American Manufacturing died to day after a long illness. Repeated attempts to save American jobs and secure a domestic manufacturing base in case of war were repeatedly rejected by the new American ruling class who no are no longer responsible to a once powerful American middle class. Spokesmen for the powerful said that the death of manufacturing promotes growth, despite the fact America had higher growth rates when it did manufacture things. In related news, illegal immigration and guest worker visas rose dramaticly and new tax breaks for the super wealthy were enacted. Stay tuned to official news sources like the New York Times and Fox News and don't bitch.

C'mon Libertarian Pro Globalists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891777)

Is that the best you can do? Mod it down? How 'bout some legit. criticism?

PCs (3, Interesting)

d3matt (864260) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891579)

So IBM developed the PC and brought the current rendition to market. Fortunately for us and for all PC users they allowed their designs to be copied (clones anyone) thus putting apple forever in the dark. Since they did this, market forces have determined that IBM should no longer be in the PC business. Frankly, who cares? There are thousdands of other businesses that makes PCs now. The only reason I would care is if Lenovo gets the IP that encompasses the PC they may try to charge royalties for anyone using their IP to make a producat (go frivalous patents!).

Stick a fork in it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891592)

the x86 architecture is done!

IBM owns Jay Leno?? (1, Funny)

neonfrog (442362) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891627)

Oh. Oops.

Re:IBM owns Jay Leno?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891917)

Wow that was bad.

Microsoft agreement gone? (3, Interesting)

chiph (523845) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891697)

So, does this mean that IBM is finally out from under the Microsoft joint-development agreement, that dates back to the days of the original PC and PC-XT?

Chip H.

Why the naysayers? (4, Insightful)

delta_avi_delta (813412) | more than 9 years ago | (#11891802)

I don't understand the negative reaction. Production is no longer in the US, but that is not where the money is. IBM realised that they could make a lot of money (and, incidentally, create a lot of relatively high paid, relatively pleasant jobs) by abstracting further up the value chain, to supply services and consultants. It matters not a fig to most companies who provides their computers, but many large companies cannot operate without IBM services. So we have a company that no provides high skilled, high payed jobs to the US workforce instead of low payed, low skilled manufacturing jobs.

Re:Why the naysayers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11892160)

See This comment [slashdot.org]

IBM (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11891930)

owie. the IBM logo hurts my eyes.

America never really got globalisation right... (2, Insightful)

dextroz (808012) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892006)

It's funny that Americans, looked at globalisation as the key to their future success. I remember back in the early 90s they would pressurize the Europeans into it.

Look at them now. Sure they got cheap labor and upturned local markets everywhere, but globalisation is distributing the riches from the first world countries right down to the poorer nations. They never really figured that out quite rightly.

Yes, yes, the people in control are of course getting richer but the avg guy is actually earning less. Also this phenomenon is so apparent local America. It's pathetic how anywhere you go in the US you get the same Denny's, Mac, BK, TacoB, OG, etc... In most of the places, the local cuisines and restaurants are all dead. Most American downtowns are going that way too. A drive through them on the weekends portrays them as ghost towns literally.

My point? ThinkPads are definately going in the drain. 20 years ago most garments sold in the US were made here. Most stores guaranteed them. Today you see no-one guarantees anything because everyones is unsure of who's pulling what outta whose arse. That's what's gonna happen with Lenovo too.

Re:America never really got globalisation right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11892287)

First off, it's globalization. You Europeans and your sissy s's.

Second, the only European that has been pressurized is the Michelin man.

nig6a (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11892031)

GAY NIGg8ERS from

The new brand name will be... (1, Funny)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892036)

Chinkpads

go ahead, all you PC-people... mod me into oblivion, even though you smiled when you read it.

but will the new catalog read (3, Funny)

bigpat (158134) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892169)

"We Delivery"

China is going to be POWERful (2, Interesting)

TheGuano (851573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892318)

The word is IBM is using the Lenovo connection to get into the China market. And from the whole WAPI thing, the Chinese government might just be anti-western-dominated-standards enough to support a POWER-powered desktop on the mainland.

Figures (1)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 9 years ago | (#11892330)

US caves to new Superpower China. No Film, as our new overlords won't allow it.

Feh. Silly Humans.
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