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Nintendo's Next Console Revolution Will Have WiFi

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the good-ideas dept.

GameCube (Games) 471

nparasu writes "Nintendo released fresh details about its upcoming games console, codenamed Revolution, at a game developers conference. Satoru Iwata, Nintendo president, confirmed that the new console will be able to run games originally made for the GameCube. Despite the hardware announcements, most of Mr Iwata's speech, entitled "The Heart of the Gamer", was a call for more imaginative game design. Game creators cannot rely on better graphics and more powerful games machines to attract new audiences, Mr Iwata said. He also revealed that Revolution will come with wi-fi connectivity built-in."

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Yes, but... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11912823)

...will it run Linux...?

Re:Yes, but... (1)

Avyakata (825132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912839)

Forget Linux...will it run Doom 3?

Re:Yes, but... (2, Funny)

jnetsurfer (637137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912865)

Well, if it runs Linux, then it can run Bochs [sourceforge.net] ... And then Bochs could run Doom3...

That would be pretty damn slow though! Doom3 in slow-motion!

Re:Yes, but... (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912984)

That would be pretty damn slow though! Doom3 in slow-motion!


I always thought it was too damn short anyawy. :)

Re:Yes, but... (1)

Red Alastor (742410) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913003)

There is a native Doom 3 version on Linux by the way.

Re:Yes, but... (-1, Flamebait)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912952)

...will it run Linux...?
You're a dick.

Yes, it will (2, Insightful)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913062)

Yes, it will. Linux already works on the Gamecube and the Revolution will be backward-compatible. [gc-linux.org]

Now they just need to get Linux on the DS working, since there's actually some fathomable reason you'd want to run that :)

Re:Yes, it will (1)

Trurl's Machine (651488) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913258)

Yes, it will. Linux already works on the Gamecube and the Revolution will be backward-compatible.

"Backward compatibility" rarely works for 100% cases, especially when hardware-level hacking is taken into account. You need a hack [gcdev.com] to actually boot Linux on Game Cube. Whether this hack with work with the next console or not - it's yet to be seen but I don't hold your breath.

Chumps aint got nothin on me (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11912824)

First Post for all the dorks at high

nintendo (1)

Dragoonkain (704719) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912826)

fucking rocks, and they own PS2, xbox and any other fagot machine that tried to copy them.

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11912828)

A first post to introduce the weekend!

-DT

will it work with DS? (2, Interesting)

yincrash (854885) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912833)

nintendo sure knows how to sell consoles together.

Yes (4, Informative)

jnetsurfer (637137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912901)

From TFA:

Nintendo's latest handheld games device, the DS, also comes with a version of wi-fi built-in, and Mr Iwata said Nintendo will offer a free net connection service to DS owners, enabling them to play games against each other at no charge.

Re:Yes (2)

The Eagle Maint (862053) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913065)

This isn't exactly true.

There's a wifi service in Japan for use with the DS now, coming to the US soon. It's used for downloading content and playing multiplayer games with your DS. There has also been mention about the Revolution having wifi capabilities, to form a wireless network between Revolution consoles. There has been no mention anywhere about the DS being able to connect to the Revolution. The only information close to that suggests that Nintendo's next Game Boy system, not the DS, will connect to the Revolution (if anything does).

Boy ain't that the truth! (3, Insightful)

PopeAlien (164869) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912850)

I'd rather play a fun-playing mediocre-looking game than a mediocre-playing good-looking game.

the trick is that fancy screenshots often help to move boxes, and until you play a game you don't know how well designed it is.

Re:Boy ain't that the truth! (5, Insightful)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912881)

Who says they have to be mediocre-looking? All signs point to the Revolution using the same graphics chip as the X-Box 2. I always thought that Nintendo games had a knack for playing well, and looking good.

ATI+IBM (1)

Baikala (564096) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913017)

... and practicaly the same core chip. I rememmer an /. post about some IBM engineer saying they were (on their clients request) making both chips look as far apart from each other as posible (specs, interface, etc) but that the core tech (PPC) were the same.

Re:Boy ain't that the truth! (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912982)

That's why its worth spending $2.50 and renting the game first. Then if its really worth it I can wait 6 months to a year for the price to go down to $20...

I've seen wireless adaptors for the Xbox already. Would make it nice if a friend brings his over and want to set up two rooms to play 4v4 Halo without needed 100 feet of ethernet cable...

Re:Boy ain't that the truth! (4, Insightful)

Vacuous (652107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913034)

Of course, people often forget that the best games are great looking AND fun to play.

Re:Boy ain't that the truth! (2, Interesting)

MrLint (519792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913048)

speaking of which, i donno why this hasnt his /. yet,,

new zelda trailer

http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/52937b07-38 4a -4364-b8fc-e6f11617d1ab.mov

Re:Boy ain't that the truth! (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913178)

graphics don't look that great (some choppy animation), but well more than adequate.

also, looks like a lot of LOTR-inspired shots in there, which is a Good Thing imo. (horse vs 'wargs', horse vs. 'nazgul', appearance of undead, giant spider chase)

definitely looks interesting.

Re:Boy ain't that the truth! (4, Insightful)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913148)

until you play a game you don't know how well designed it is.

That's one reason I like Nintendo. It's a sure bet that their first party titles are normally a whole lot of fun.

A lot of people don't like Nintendo because they assume the games are only for kids. But saying Nintendo games are only for kids is kind of like saying Shrek was a kid's movie. Anyone who doesn't play Nintendo's first part games on the sole pretense that they're for children is missing out on some of the finest and most innovative games.

But then, in my experience the modern day gamer isn't really much of a gamer anyway, and all they want is the newest sports title, movie to game heap of crap, or the lastest "Eventu-Win" RPG. Then you have the whole lot of people obsessed with first person death match (often in realistic combat themes).

Gamers as a whole aren't the imaginative, creative, above intellence group of people they were way back. They're normal everyday media consumer whores.

Now all they have to do... (5, Insightful)

Adrilla (830520) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912854)

is release more than 2 online games.

A new release is already in the works... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913190)

Duke Nukem Forever

A good idea, but sadly... (4, Insightful)

BeneathTheVeil (305107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912862)

sequels sell better than original ideas... and flash is more important than substance when it comes to marketing the games.

It is nice to see at least some companies who remember that games should be fun first, however.

security? (5, Insightful)

kebes (861706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912863)

Considering how poorly most people secure their WiFi, does this mean that I'll be able to hack together something and play other people's video games without their knowledge? Or, more realistically, does this mean that I'll be able to join multi-player WiFi games without being explicitly asked to join? Will gamers start driving around looking for open Nintendo WiFis to satisfy their gaming needs?

Or will Nintendo provide idiot-proof WiFi security (which could then be transplanted to other WiFi solutions...) ?

Re:security? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11912906)

Check the wireless interface of the Nintendo for an idea on how it might look on the Revolution.

Re:security? (1)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912914)

What are you talking about? You definitely won't be able to tunnel into a revolution and start playing it remotely. And I doubt that anyone will be wardriving for nintendos. They're gonna be set up to be clients, not WAPs. And as far as security goes... why? What's there to secure?

Re:security? (5, Informative)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912916)

Considering how poorly most people secure their WiFi, does this mean that I'll be able to hack together something and play other people's video games without their knowledge?

Tell me how you get from being able to snoop a WiFi connection to having full control over a system?

Breaking WiFi only mitigates the connection's security down to the level of wired Ethernet. You still have to exploit vulnerabilities beyond that point to gain access to a system.

Re:security? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11912956)

Simple, you wait until they play Phantasy Star Online and spoof the update service.

What I want to know is if it will have built-in storage.

Re:security? (2, Insightful)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912938)

Any Airport Express owner (I'm assuming the same for the Airport base station) can tell you that idiot proof wifi security is already here. Knowing Nintendo, it's also a no-brainer for them.

Re:security? (1, Troll)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913026)

But Nintendo is far better off providing like a PCI slot and user can just plug in their own WiFi adapters.

Re:security? (3, Interesting)

prewashedironman (605517) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913100)

What? You seem to be suffering from classic /.er syndrome of "if i can do it so can everyone" - would anyone use live if you had to put a PCI NIC into the XBOX? i think not. Also, very few will use a service if extra hardware needs to be bought, even less if it may suffer from incompatibilities. Plus inbuilt wi-fi will require much less space on the PCB, thus decreasing the size of the console. No chance in hell nintendo will provide a PCI slot.

Re:security? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11912948)

Will gamers start driving around looking for open Nintendo WiFis to satisfy their gaming needs?

Eh? So having more people join your multiplayer game is a problem... how? They can just be kicked if they act like jerks.

I don't see that this application needs any kind of security at all.

Re:security? (1)

Suddenly_Dead (656421) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913014)

As long as some nasty exploit isn't found, I wouldn't mind it. The more people to play, the better. And it's highly unlikely that there won't be at least an optional password to join games.

Re:security? (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913228)

Why is this a concern now that the Nintendo Revo mentions they're going to have this ability? There are wireless connection options for the PS2 and Xbox, I didn't see anyone voicing these concerns when they came out. Quite the contrary.

nintendo and apple (3, Insightful)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912874)

nintendo proves once again that it really is the apple of the console world. go innovation!

Re:nintendo and apple (3, Interesting)

mattmentecky (799199) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912986)

To be honest, I don't know how to react to your comment, I laughed at first thinking its satire, then grimaced when I realized you are probably serious.

Where is the innovation here? Slapping a new trend technology (WiFi) on top of existing tech?
Not to mention the fact that it doesnt make much sense to slap on a wireless technology to something that will always be wired/never move. Proof that it is just an attention grabber I guess.

Re:nintendo and apple (1)

Red Alastor (742410) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913051)

The DS (their new handheld console) moves. TFA says that you will be able to play on the net with the DS while linked to this new console.

Re:nintendo and apple (1)

redivider (786620) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913172)

No it doesn't.

It says that you'll be able to play on the net with other DS players.

The Revolution will have built-in WiFi. The DS has built-in WiFi. There's going to be a free service to allow DS users to connect to each other over the internet. That's really the only information that's been confirmed.

Re:nintendo and apple (2, Informative)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913086)

Nintendo has been saying that the "revolutionary" part of the console will not be revealed until E3. Therefore, the WiFi is not what they're calling revolutionary.

The wireless technology is to allow out-of-the-box connectivity to the DS as well as online gaming. The reason for it rather than wired is so that you don't have to have perhipherals to use the DS in conjunction with the revolution.

Re:nintendo and apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913115)

Heh. Just because you have wired internet access right next to your tv doesn't mean everyone does. I wouldn't play Xbox Live if I had to place 50 ft. of cable between my room and my router.

Re:nintendo and apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913216)

They sure are... they know how to lock their architecture, and they didn't see the competition coming.

Re:nintendo and apple (1)

gandell (827178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913235)

I love Nintendo, but I'm not sure I go along with you on this one. Mainly because Nintendo opted to not put Internet on the outta-the-box Gamecube, where as the Xbox came with an Ethernet jack for your dsl connection. I'd say that's more innovation.

Nintendo has refused to innovate before (sticking with the tried-and-true cartridge based system when Sony was going for the CD-based Playstation...given that you could say the fact that the N64 did 3D and did it well gives it a heads up over the PSX).

Now, if you're saying they've been innovating over the past couple of years, then I agree with you (based on the DS and this newest report).

Er... (1)

Avyakata (825132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912878)

I'm a big Nintendo fan, but it seems like the main motivation behind this is trying to show up their competitors. Both Sony and Microsoft have consoles that enable online-play, and Nintendo just needs something to try and take that to another step. This might also cause problems with interference...when I had an older wireless phone, the frequency used to screw up my WiFi...as do some microwaves...they might be safer sticking to wired connections...

Wi-fi (2)

browngb (823753) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912884)

A, B, or G? I need details boys........

Re:Wi-fi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913166)

come on... make an educated guess...
G +

Already on the DS (3, Informative)

dev32810 (748540) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912886)

My kids are doing "wi-fi" every afternoon with each other on their Nintendo DS's right now. Will be interesting to see how a 'Revolution' and the DS interact...

Re:Already on the DS (1)

Nimrangul (599578) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912913)

They won't. It has already been said by Nintendo folk that there will instead be a next generation Gameboy to work with Revolution.

Re:Already on the DS (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912960)

RTFA and can you provide a source for that rumor?

Re:Already on the DS (3, Insightful)

kerrle (810808) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913045)

Of course he can't; all of the next-gen Gameboy stuff is rumor.

Re:Already on the DS (1)

The Eagle Maint (862053) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913128)

RFTA yourself.

"Nintendo's latest handheld games device, the DS, also comes with a version of wi-fi built-in, and Mr Iwata said Nintendo will offer a free net connection service to DS owners, enabling them to play games against each other at no charge."

"He also revealed that Revolution will come with wi-fi connectivity built-in."

There is nothing whatsoever in that article, or the hour long speech (which I have listened to, available at Nintendo's website if you want to hear for yourself), that suggests that the DS and Revolution will be interconnectable. The DS has wireless, and in Japan a central network to connect DS systems, and the Revolution will also have some wireless functionality. No one has ever said they would work together. If any speculation to this is made at all, it would lead to the next Game Boy system connecting with the Revolution, not the DS.

Re:Already on the DS (1)

Adrilla (830520) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913269)

Why would Nintendo alienate it's consumers so early in the DS's lifespan. Allowing the two to connect can move units of both off shelves in what's going to be a highly competitive market on both fronts.

Re:Already on the DS (0, Redundant)

Nimrangul (599578) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913199)

I cannot be bothered to look it up for you, just do some looking around cause I don't want to. Google is your friend.

Re:Already on the DS (1)

Limecron (206141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913072)

From a previous comment:

From TFA:

Nintendo's latest handheld games device, the DS, also comes with a version of wi-fi built-in, and Mr Iwata said Nintendo will offer a free net connection service to DS owners, enabling them to play games against each other at no charge.

Inspiring Keynote (5, Interesting)

Baikala (564096) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912890)

I haven't realized that the current Nintendo's President had such strong developer roots. He was behind Super Smash Bross Melee, and Kirby. Does any one have a good link on this man's history and how he became Nintendo's #1?

Re:Inspiring Keynote (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11912946)

I'm sorry but the guy is japanese which means he wrote his name everywhere while the real developers had nothing (and no percentage from the sales of the games). Nintendo's president has absolutely NO programming roots.

Re:Inspiring Keynote (1)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913147)

Please, developer roots does not always mean programming roots.

Di you RTFA? (4, Interesting)

Baikala (564096) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913206)

If you read the complete keynote transcription you'll know what I mean with "strong developer roots": He programed a baseball game on his hp calc in college, worked in a 5 employee dev house named HAL (that later became a Nintendo's 2dn party in the NES era). He even showed a picture of himself at that age when he survived on pizza and rice balls coding until sunrise. Later on, when he was working in a higer position for Nintendo he asigned himself full time back to HAL in order to finish a game. If that's not "true geek" material I don't know what would.

Re:Inspiring Keynote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913021)

For fuck's sake, won't someone mod this guy down, he's spitting random words begging for karma. In the japanese culture, you don't put your name on anything, only your boss can do this which means that he never touched a computer. Nintendo's president only made hanafuda cards 50 years ago and that's all. He's not a geek.

Re:Inspiring Keynote (5, Informative)

ericbg05 (808406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913056)

Does any one have a good link on this man's history and how he became Nintendo's #1?

A quick google yielded this bio [n-sider.com] .

Revolution? (0)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912907)

Revolution? What kind of revolution? A Dance Dance revolution?

Finally (5, Interesting)

fwice (841569) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912915)

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo president, confirmed that the new console will be able to run games originally made for the GameCube.

Finally, nintendo making something that has backwards compatability. unlike the 'super game boy' or 'game boy color playing game boy games'. It would be fantastic if they could make a way to play NES, SNES, or n64 games on the new system. I'd spend my money on that.

"In the universe of interactive entertainment, there is a planet we call video games. We know this planet the best, but it is not the only one," he explained.

"There are other planets that entertain, and it is those planets we are keen to explore."
so, does that mean they're more interested in adapting other forms of entertainment onto their new system? music, movies, porn, internet? a full computer that will work with their specific game cartidges and discs, with the insane GPU processing power of video game systems?

i want one.

Re:Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913177)

"they could make a way to play NES, SNES, or n64 games on the new system"

You can do this on a modded xbox. There are a ton of emulators out for it.

Not mentioned in the writeup: (5, Informative)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912917)

The Nintendo DS will also have free online gaming by the end of the year, one assumes by the same mechanism or service as the Revolution; and they have announced that Animal Crossing DS will be created from the ground up for online gaming, which if you've played the original Animal Crossing, you'll know is going to be just crazy.

Also the Revolution will be backward compatible with the Gamecube, and Reggie Fuls-Aime of Nintendo said something in an interview yesterday on penny-arcade.com [penny-arcade.com] which strongly implies they will be announcing a U.S. release of the Play-Yan mp3/mpeg4 player for the GBASP and DS at E3.

E3 should be very interesting.

I miss the days... (1, Interesting)

technomancer68 (865695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912921)

I miss the days when Nintendo was on top of the game. Now you can hardly find any games that are worth a flip to play on the system (excluding the Zelda, Metroid, and Resident Evil series). It's just a shame.. and what is up with that freaky controller? There's a good thought for you, when you are desiging your controls, give us something that we can reach all the buttons without having to move our hands all over the controller.. the game cube controller is worse then the original XBox controller (that's just sad).. *sigh* please give us something worth while this time. I am happy to hear that I can play my game cube games (the few that are worth owning) on the new system though..

Re:I miss the days... (-1, Flamebait)

StocDred (691816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913025)

give us something that we can reach all the buttons without having to move our hands all over the controller

Do you only have one finger? Because I do, and it's flipping you off.

Your opinions are poorly formed and poorly expressed. Exactly what button(s) are you having trouble reaching?

Re:I miss the days... (1)

redivider (786620) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913264)

Yeah, aside from the annoying Z button, I find the GameCube controller to be easier to use than the PS2 controller on some games. And, for me personally, the left analog stick is in a much more comfortable position than the Dual Shock 2. When I'm playing PS2 games I always feel like my thumb is stretching a bit too far to push the stick all the way to the right.

The GC controller is definitely not without flaws, but you've gotta be retanrded to have to "move your hands" around to reach anything.

Re:I miss the days... (2, Interesting)

Edgewize (262271) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913043)

"give us something that we can reach all the buttons without having to move our hands all over the controller.. the game cube controller is worse then the original XBox controller (that's just sad).."

Hm, really? That's odd because I like the GameCube controller the best out of all the consoles I've played. I rest my thumb on the big green A and then can roll it in any direction for other buttons, or drop it down a to reach the C stick. The grips fits perfectly in my hand. My only nitpick is the 'Z' button placement, which is an annoyance but not a serious problem.

I guess it might depend on the size of your hands and how dextrous your thumb is.

Re:I miss the days... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913070)

How about Skies of Arcadia Legends? Sure it is just a remake of the Dreamcast game but they did add in a bit of new stuff. Ok, so I only use my Gamecube for Skies of Arcadia, the Zelda Collector's CD with the two N64 Zeldas on it, and to play gameboy games on (such as PocketNES).

Re:I miss the days... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913118)

My 6 year old has been playing the GameCube since it was new (about 3+ years). He's never had any trouble with the controllers, nor have I.

Re:I miss the days... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913140)

What's up with the controller is that it's better than any controller you'll see on the ps2 or xbox.

Re:I miss the days... (4, Funny)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913153)

(a) the games: There are tons of great games on the gamecube. But you probably are unhappy with the lineup because you can't kill everything in sight without reason like in GTA.

(b) the controller: It's literally designed so that the controls require you to move your thumb no farther than 1/4 inch to reach the next button. I don't understand why people have such a hard time with this controller. "Which button do I push?" "Gee, I don't know there Einstein. This is just a guess, but could it be THE GIANT FUCKING GREEN BUTTON DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE?" "Well what button goes back?" "Try the RED ONE, the natural opposite of the GREEN ONE."

I thought online gaming was "just a fad"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11912954)

If I wasn't so lazy, I'd look it up, but I remember Nintendo's response to online gaming as basically "it's just a fad we don't feel like wasting our time on".

Re:I thought online gaming was "just a fad"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913198)

yeah and when was that, like 3 years ago? things change you idiot.

Backword compatible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11912961)

PS3 - backword compatable
Game Cube 2 - backword compatible
Xbox 2 - Sorry

Planet Earth anyone? (5, Insightful)

jasonmicron (807603) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912963)

"Despite the hardware announcements, most of Mr Iwata's speech, entitled "The Heart of the Gamer", was a call for more imaginative game design. Game creators cannot rely on better graphics and more powerful games machines to attract new audiences, Mr Iwata said. He also revealed that Revolution will come with wi-fi connectivity built-in."

I have played almost virtually every single version of the Nintendo since the original unit was introduced in the mid-80's. Many, many fun-filled nights were had on that system (Baseball All-Stars, Super Mario, Zelda, Techmo Football), yet it seems lately that the leadership at Nintendo is just trying to re-hash old titles. Metroid was a great initial title and completely original. That was what made it great.

That rant aside, I just wanted to put in my opinion on the above statement. Developers cannot rely on the latest graphics and more powerful machines? Correct me if I am wrong, but Half-Life 2, EverQuest 2, Doom 3, Far Cry and a few upcoming games (S.T.A.L.K.E.R. etc) rely almost completely on the latest technology. While it might not make for the best games it is a tried and true method to attract new gamers.

Now, Wi-Fi? Serously, why on Earth would a Nintendo home console need Wi-Fi? Sure it sounds really, really cool to add but it also opens up the floodgates to a host of other problems. One of those recent problems was talked about here with Bluetooth and cell phones.

Putting great technology into a console is one thing, but taking advantage of what already exists is another. How can this gentleman sit there and call for a more imaginitive game design and in the same speech announce one of the latest technological advances in home consoles into the next-generation Nintendo system?

Just one man's opinion...

Not Traditional WiFi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913116)

Think more along the line of WiMax. City wide wireless networks of home consoles. The big advantage? It's actually wireless. You won't need to plug an ethernet cable in, you're on a LAN with every other revolution in 30 miles. Not only that, but the Revolution will act as a base station for the Evolution. So, you're in a cab heading home for work and you want to play a game, so you open your GB (or DS, that has yet to be seen) and send an open invatation to the nearest Revolution, which in turn spreads it across the city. By the time you get home, your game's already waiting for you.
And since each Revolution would basically be an extender, mesh type wireless would be possible. Entire cities could be covered by true wireless Revolution networks.

Re:Planet Earth anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913129)

Well in the speech he mentioned not having to worry about ssid or wep, so that either means there is no security involved (doubt it) or the Nintendo proprietary wireless will take care of it without the user having to do much. Wouldn't having wifi make it easier to implement different types of wireless technology, besides the fact of just getting online. I mean, wireless controllers, NAS, DS connectivity, LAN gaming, and possibly something along the lines of a repeater network for your friends in the neighborhood. The possibilities with this are endless, begnning with the fact that the DS and Revolution are immediatly , out of the box, going to be able to interact.

Re:Planet Earth anyone? (2, Interesting)

Steveftoth (78419) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913167)

Wireless controllers are amazing. I mean really really amazing.

Doing a 4 player game like bomberman, f-zero, mario kart, is so much easier. Even 2-player games are more fun due to less tangle of cords.

Take this to the next level where I believe Nintendo is going with their DS product. Which is basically a wavebird with 2 screens built in. Now you have something that is truely amazing. You have 2 screens and 2 more cpus per player. Just to add more to the game.
Inventory management in RPGs? on the ds ( now with drag and drop ).
Extra hints and tips for the handicapped players? Put them on the DS.
You could make a game that you play all on the DS, but connects up to the console via wi-fi so that others can watch the action. Since watching 4 people on their dses is no fun since you can't see the screen. Maybe the console could also server a large game world of sorts as well? I dunno, the possibilities are very endless once you have multiples of everything.

X-Box/PS3 are looking to be amazing consoles but they are focused on delivering the next level of the same thing.

Nintendo is at least trying to do the next great thing. They may not do it, but it's a risk I think that they need to take if they want to be back on top, or at least not seen as a third place contender.

Re:Planet Earth anyone? (2, Insightful)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913184)

Why NOT WiFi? Nobody said they weren't providing cable-based connectivity as well. And it's not like it's a base station, so if you're running an insecure wireless LAN at home right now it's not like adding a Nintendo Revo to it will make things worse for you. This just simplifies your connectivity for online play, which in my opinion is the best thing Nintendo can do considering how much it improves the console based online connectivity situation.

And just a comment on the bit about latest technology, 3 out of 4 of the games you listed there use the latest technology not so much for the game itself, but for the engine. Engine sales/licensing are really what drive the companies behind those games, so of course they'll be using the best technology at the expense of fulfilling game experiences.

Re:Planet Earth anyone? (1)

TheSportsGED (838061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913241)

It's Tecmo not Techmo

Backwards Compatable (5, Insightful)

MemeSpitter (781288) | more than 9 years ago | (#11912970)

Finally, Nintendo releases a backwards compatable console. This way, even people who were too snooty to get a Gamecube will have a chance to play its greatest hits on the Revolution.

This sets a new precedent for Nintendo. I remember working as a "Nintendo Demonstrator" in high school when the SNES came out, and asking the local rep. why it wouldn't play NES games. "Why would we charge somebody for features they already own?" came the marketing-speak reply. ...Now that they've changed their minds, maybe I won't have to dig through old systems (and sacrifice a chicken to the god of dust mites in hopes that they'll still work) whenever I get the urge to play a classic game.

Re:Backwards Compatable (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913080)

Acutally, poeple who snubbed the GC are probably going to snub the Revolution too. I only have an Xbox right now, and I was considering a GC recently, I decided to go with a DS instead. Now when revolution comes out and I get it, I'll be able to find out I missed on.

Re:Backwards Compatable (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913105)

And what was the Game Boy? Chopped liver?

Game Support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11912995)

I think Nintendo's main weakness is actually, game support. I really like the Mario games but I still want to play games like Grand Theft Auto or Winning Eleven Soccer game. The choices are limited, IMO. Maybe Nintendo's goal for GameCube is to focus on certain age group instead of to all ages.

Hey, the Nintendo DS also has wifi... (4, Insightful)

rsborg (111459) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913005)

I can see the stategy now: Nintendo DS... it's not just a portable gaming system, it's a KICKASS wifi controller for your Nintendo console...

About The Games (1)

ps2wayne (809931) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913009)

Its nice knowing all these things about the next-gen consoles, but in the end its about the developers who come out with the games for the systems... yeah the developers base the games in terms of what they can make the game look like, but come on i've seen some awesome "looking" type of games, but when it came to "fun" it sucked. Sony wins again, then mircosoft then nintendo my predictions

Nintendo DS (1)

cmstar (521171) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913022)

I see this as a good move. Integrating the DS wifi with the Revolution...game anywhere... much like a PDA cell phone becomes an extension of your personal computer.

What I see as a bad move is...we have Gameboy, DS, Gamecube, and now they keeping DS, adding Revolution, and Gameboy Evolution. Two portables and a new console..seems like flooding the market.

Anyway, click the linky and get a free DS and Free PSP

Cool! Backwards compatibility! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913031)

This was one thing definitely missing from the GC (to play N64 games), as compared to the PS2. This will make it a lot easier to sell people a new console.
(And it will be one thing that Microsoft (probably) hasn't got!)

And WiFi between DS, GBA and GC could be interesting as well. Go Nintendo!

- A fanboy

And it will render polygons faster! (0, Troll)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913032)

Even more exciting - it'll plug into your TV and use electricity.

Title missing a comma! (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913101)

I had to read the frickin' article to get what the headline meant! This is preposterous!

At last, prog games. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913157)

At last, we are entering the era of prog games. Much like the music of Yes or ELP, these will be self indulgent, weird, complex, and yet wonderful.
The emphasis is on ideas over tradition and pushing the boundries of people perceptions about what a game should be...

From the article about "The Room":
"Action in the game is set to lines of poetry by Emily Dickinson."

How much more prog can you get? None more.

"Mr Molyneux showed how players can speed up time in the game world by altering an in-game clock, and how they can alter matter by passing it through special mirrors, or build new objects from what he called "digital clay"."

Again, experimental and interesting!
It's a shame it will only last about ten years until people get embarressed about liking these kind of games and decide that the simplicity of the first person shooter with no puzzles was what gaming was really all about.
But, as with prog rock, people will be stealing ideas from them for the rest of time....

atawi/Iwata's comment... (1, Interesting)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913176)

"Game creators cannot rely on better graphics and more powerful games machines to attract new audiences..."

Yeah, sure. So why update the Gameboy at all? Why bother upping the graphics to 'Gamecube' possibilities? Because Mr. Iwata, you know that eye candy DOES attract the very audience you seek. No matter how much you talk about interesting and unique games (which I'm all for), the reality is that games like NHL 200X, or FPS Shooter version 37 still SELL.

All I can say is, it's not stopped Nintendo from pushing yet ANOTHER version of Mario whenever they release a new system. Not that there's anything wrong with any of this. I think the portable Gamecube is a terrific idea for them since attracting developers is hard enough without making them recode everything.

"Innovation" and Nintendo (2, Insightful)

Y-Crate (540566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913181)

".....most of Mr Iwata's speech, entitled "The Heart of the Gamer", was a call for more imaginative game design."
Does this mean Nintendo will stop focusing on rehashing the same franchises (and in the case of it's handhelds) the same games year after year?

I know that there are a lot of fans of the franchises out there, but it seems that Mario, Wario, Pokemon, Zelda, et al are really the only thing Nintendo cares about, and this combined with their lackluster attitude towards third-parties increasingly makes their systems a less and less attractive investment.

I certainly hope the new console is a "revolution" and that their next handheld system offers something a bit more than "The same, exact games you played on the last Game Boy....sold to you again!"

I just want... (2, Insightful)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913201)

...them to keep having systems that play as well as the Gamecube. My favorites, and you can withhold your laughter, are the Totally Odd Parents games from THQ. Running with one free moving stick and using another to kick the camera pov around is wonderful for 3D. As long as they don't mess with a good thing, I'm fine.

Wireless? Not sure when I'd get to using it, but it makes it easier than laying in CAT5 to the tv area and less expensive than buying another hub or switch to put in there if I've already run it.

Third-party developers should be treated better... (4, Insightful)

creimer (824291) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913242)

I hope Nintendo had learned it's lesson with the GameCube and the GameBoy Advance by making it easier for third-party developers to actually develop games for their consoles.

I was the lead QA tester at Atari for the first GC and GBA titles. The GC was a pain since they withhold valuable testing information about the debug hardware for a year that only their internal developers had access to. The GBA multiplayer link was an absolute pain in the butt that took up most of the developer's time to get right and QA had to spend twice as much time on multiplayer than single player. My last GBA title was supposed to have wireless support but that was pulled due to bugs in the Nintendo API that turned testing into a nightmare.

Nintendo could have a lot more great titles for the GC/GBA by making the development process a lot more easier. Most game publishers been dropping Nintendo titles because it cost more to get approval from Nintendo.

Yawn! Xbox had it for two years now. (0)

novitk (38381) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913259)

Re:Yawn! Xbox had it for two years now. (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913287)

Incorrect. The XBox did not have it, it's an adapter you must buy to get wifi connectivity. The distinction here is that the Revo will come with it built in.

So What? (0, Troll)

SimplePaul (807846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913276)

IMHO, this isn't big news. Sony have pretty much confirmed that the PS3 will have WiFi (and so it should, as a next gen console) and that the PSP will act as a PS3 controller.

This US Patent shows some interesting ideas from Sony: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=P TO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv. html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&p=1&S1=20040266529.PGNR.& OS=DN/20040266529&RS=DN/20040266529 [uspto.gov]

If this is a big deal for Nintendo then I fear for their 'Revolution'.

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