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Via Now Shipping Dual-Processor Mini-ITX Board

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the smallosity dept.

Hardware 304

An anonymous reader writes "Via is now shipping its first dual-processor mini-ITX board. The DP-310 features two 1GHz processors, gigabit Ethernet, support for SATA drives, and a media-processing graphics chipset. It targets high-density applications -- according to Via, a 42-U rack with 168 processors would draw about 2.5 kilowatts, or about as much power as two hair dryers." This also looks like the basis for a nice car computer. Also on the small-computing front, an anonymous reader submits "General Micro, meanwhile, last week released what it calls the world's fastest mini-ITX board, powered by a Pentium M clocked up to 2.3GHz. "

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304 comments

Car computer? (4, Interesting)

temojen (678985) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913816)

Sounds like an excellent-performing midrange desktop replacement to me. Only trick would be marketing it to consumers & businesses who've been indoctrinated in the MHz cult. Two CPUs should give excellent responsiveness.

Re:Car computer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913862)

I agree. The challenge is overcoming the WinTel FUD and actually getting it to the mass-market.

Re:Car computer? (0)

browngb (823753) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913872)

I disagree. I'm recently moved my counter strike source server off of my desktop onto a dual pentium III 1 GHz dedicated server and I can tell a difference in the performance. 2x1GHz does not equal 2 GHz, and faster processors do mean faster performance.

Re:Car computer? (1)

mabinogi (74033) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913952)

what the hell does that have to do with anything?

The grandparent was talking about using it as a dektop machine, not a server.
A 1GHz machine (even single processor) is perfectly suitable for most desktop tasks - in fact, a machine _half_ that speed would still be fine.
He also said that having two processors would make it nice and responsive.
Which it would.

At no point did he claim it would run as fast as a 2Ghz single processor machine, you made that bit up yourself.

Re:Car computer? (2, Insightful)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913959)

well I would blame whoever wrote the counterstrike server software for not making it SMP aware...

Re:Car computer? (1)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914077)

making the CS server smp aware is hard, there's not much that can be parallelized. and what can be parallelized wont gain much from smp.

Re:Car computer? (1)

Mancat (831487) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914116)

It's actually better that way. You give the server a whole processor of its own, and leave the other processor to handle I/O. This makes map loading insanely quick, and keeps the HLDS from madly grubbing the other CPU's cycles, as it so loves to do.

Re:Car computer? (2, Informative)

UserChrisCanter4 (464072) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913961)

Not quite...

Benchmark review of a single 933 Via processor [overclockers.com.au]

Granted, this is the C3, which is slightly inferior to the Eden-N being used here. Can you see the second processor in the arithmetic benchmarks, the one running about equally? That's a 333mhz PII. Even being generous and saying this newer series chip has significantly sped up, we're still talking performance equal to maybe a dual 500 Mhz PIII.

Useable? Yes. Acceptable for generic web browsing and word processing? Maybe. An excellent-performing midrange desktop replacement? No way. The Mhz myth is definitely in effect here, just not like you might initially think. These things are fine and dandy as a generic file server where speed is not a supreme priority, and they work fine as a router/gateway or simple firewall, but please don't try to use them for much else.

Re:Car computer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914076)

My 5x86 133 w/16MB RAM worked fine for word processing and basic browsing (since it only had to keep up with a 14.4 modem). Whizzy graphics and OS bloat are the only things that required me to upgrade the MD/CPU/RAM.

Remember when 200MHz was fast? It is absolutely just as fast as ever, just not relatively as fast.

My P233MMX works better than just fine for internet browsing and word processing. Not marginal at all. There are only two limitations. 1. I can't run much commercial software published this century, mostly because of OS bloat and graphics bloat. 2. And the MB is very stupid and won't take more than 64BM RAM.

Anyone who thinks that you need >300MHz for basic word processing and internet browsing is just desensitized by bloat inflation.

How much speed is enough? (3, Insightful)

aoteoroa (596031) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914162)

Useable? Yes. Acceptable for generic web browsing and word processing? Maybe. An excellent-performing midrange desktop replacement? No way.

The benchmark [overclockers.com.au] you linked said the single processor handled dvd playback flawlessly, and played divx movies "perfectly with no slowdowns or stutters"

Their conclusion:
"VIA has definitely listened to the users of the EPIA on this one. They've fixed up all of the major problems that stopped the EPIA becoming a perfect TV-Run machine. Anyone who is looking to set up a dedicated TV-Run machine should look no further than the VIA EPIA-M - its high quality DVD and DivX playback make it a perfect choice!"

That sounds fast enough to replace many home desktops

Re:Car computer? (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914210)

Not to mention that for most applications the overhead of forking to 2 processors is not worth the extra power. For most stuff a dual 1GHz rig would perform slower than a single 1.2Ghz processor. The 1Ghz + 1Ghz = 2GHz thing is just marketing math.

Re:Car computer? (1)

Mekabyte (678689) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913982)

The problem is, it works in reverse when you're talking about Via. Via 1GHz CPUs perform at about the equivalent of 600MHz P-IIIs. On top of that, dual CPUs are only good for multitasking or multithreaded applications (not many), so most of the time, you'll only be getting 600MHz performance... hardly midrange.

Re:Car computer? (0, Offtopic)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914086)

ahhhhhh!!! shut up shut up shut up!!!!!

it annoys me so much when people say that!!!!!!

SYSTEM PERFORMANCE will see an improvement!!!

Re:Car computer? (1)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913985)

midrange desktop replacement? uh, no. the via is a *really* slow cpu. two of them wont help responsiveness that much. last time i tested an eden cpu, it performed roughly the same as a p2 at half the mhz. (eg 800mhz eden performed roughly the same as a p2/400).

the via cpu target is set-top boxes and embedded applications. it makes a poor desktop cpu, where your data processing requirements are considerably higher than a PVR or car stereo system.

even via knows better, they aren't targeting the desktop with this because they know it isn't right.

for a midrange desktop you'll get more out of a single pentium-m...

Re:Car computer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914127)

yes it will help responsiveness. you have 1 processor working away hard, the other one is still free to be handling other stuff. you seem to have never used a dual processor workstation before. some tasks may take longer, but with the other proc to take the load it doesn't matter.

I know this is a nerd site, but... (5, Funny)

Meostro (788797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913819)

a 42-U rack with 168 processors would draw about 2.5 kilowatts, or about as much power as two hair dryers." This also looks like the basis for a nice car computer.

I know this is News for Nerds and all, but isn't that a bit excessive? I don't think my car needs 168 1GHz processors. (or is that 336 processors?) What's it going to do with that much power?

Re:I know this is a nerd site, but... (1)

Meostro (788797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913847)

a 42-U rack with 168 processors

nevermind...

Re:I know this is a nerd site, but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913861)

They're talking about a data center, not car.

Re:I know this is a nerd site, but... (0, Offtopic)

spiny (87740) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913885)

way to miss the joke ...

Re:I know this is a nerd site, but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913949)

I didn't miss the joke because it wasn't one. He wsa serious.

Re:I know this is a nerd site, but... (2, Funny)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913869)

you could compile Gentoo while doing 75 MPH down the turnpike...

Re:I know this is a nerd site, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913927)

Yep, and by the time you made the trip from LA to New York, KDE would be just about finished.

Re:I know this is a nerd site, but... (1)

danheskett (178529) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914134)

Maybe only if you are driving coast to coast, otherwise, you'll never finish before you shut off the vehicle.

Well I think there's only one thing to conclude. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913907)

You are not Xzibit.

Re:I know this is a nerd site, but... (1)

Billy the Mountain (225541) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913971)

How about using the rack as the CPU for running the Darpa Challenge. That plus some good programming and a little luck should allow it to travel autonomously for more than 8 frickin miles, eh?

BTM

Re:I know this is a nerd site, but... (2, Funny)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914010)

Longhorn!

Re:I know this is a nerd site, but... (4, Funny)

hey! (33014) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914117)

What's it going to do with that much power?

Well, IIRC, it will dry your hair. And that of your passenger.

TV? (1)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913823)

No TV-Out? Dammit.

This would make a nice basis for a Myth machine, otherwise. And hell, I'd probably run a bunch of other apps on it too. If the thing's going to be on all the time anyway, I might as well use it.

--saint

mnb Re:TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913922)

What kind of spoiled rich kid uses a dual processor machine as a Myth box?

My Fucking God - as we all insane here?

Re:mnb Re:TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914171)

Probably smarter then a moron who uses a Pentium 2,0ghz cpu for looking at slashdot.

Your a fucking idiot.

Re:TV? (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913935)

"No TV-Out? Dammit."

It's got DVI out... I imagine there will be a dongle/converter for svideo/etc

I'm definitely interested from the homebrew PVR perspective how well the new "media chipset" performs and assists with mpeg2 and mpeg4 playback.

unless two processor means two noisy fans =) then forget it! =P

e.

Re:TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914104)

Note that the processors are designed to need very little fanning.
That's a natural side-effect of low-power.

Re:TV? (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914138)

" Note that the processors are designed to need very little fanning.
That's a natural side-effect of low-power."

I *have* a VIA EPIA M10k nememiah core "low power" mini-itx mobo already... and it still needs a little fan (although hush makes a fanless case taht basically makes a "big" alumnimum heat sync/fins out of the whole case!)

e.

does it come with the usual VIA problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913951)

The previous CL266 based boards suffer from hangup when too much traffic flows thru the DMA system
(see http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid= 28&threadid=60131&enterthread=y/ [viaarena.com] for info - let's hope the new chip improves on this. Though VIA claim to support LINUX they have not released any open source drivers (and insist on providing patches against outdated distributions) nor will they release any information for FOSS developers (the UNICHROME project relies on trial and error to develop drivers) . Their support on their forum is abysmal (see http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid= 32&threadid=60036&enterthread=y/ [viaarena.com] )

Re:TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914002)

There are converters for VGA to component, probably DVI to component as well. They do a lot better of a job than S-video especially on HD ready sets.

Re:TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914005)

Hello, yes. I'd say put a riser card in it and two nice tuner cards. Maybe even a radio tuner.
It sure looks like a yummy board to me, and what is even more important to me, it will be -very- silent, if passively cooled.

Re:TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914019)

No TV-Out? Dammit.

In this day and age you need a TV-Out? My TV has both a VGA and DVI in.. Get with the times, old man.

Re:TV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914143)

Fuck off.

yay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913826)

fp?

UniChrome Pro onboard GPU... (2, Interesting)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913841)

How good are these? I remember reading a lot of lovely things about S3 DeltaChrome series (owned by VIA), but never got to see a videocard sporting that chip.

Re:UniChrome Pro onboard GPU... (3, Funny)

worst_name_ever (633374) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914124)

UniChron? It's great. The only problem [unicron.com] is that it's also an evil planet-eating robot planet. So watch out for that.

Cool mini-ITX stuff... (5, Informative)

ozziegt (865751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913844)

If you want to see what cool stuff people are doing with mini-ITX, check out http://www.mini-itx.com/ [mini-itx.com] . Mini-ITX is a form factor where the board is 6.7"x6.7"

Re:Cool mini-ITX stuff... (2, Interesting)

GoodNicsTken (688415) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914020)

I had the previous single processor VIA mini ITX boad as a car computer running media engine in my company car. (Ford Escape) It was very cool. I pulled the radio and put a 7" Lillput widescreen touchscreen monitor where the radio used to sit.

I ran 2-MTX amps to the door speakers with a 12" Sub in the back. I had a USB hub that ran the Wifi bridge to sync things up when I pulled into the garage. I also had the Audigy USB processor, and USB GPS receiver. I had 13,000 MP3's at my fingertips, music videos (a sort of MTV on demand), GPS navigation, Outlook contacts, solitare, games, etc. All in 5.1 Surround sound rollin down the street.

The board could barely keep up with a DVD, and couldn't run Daemon tools to mount an image and play the movie from the HD(important because laptop DVD-RW would skip a lot).

Two processors would probably solve that problem. However, for some reason my board just stopped working. Need to figure out what happened. Overall a fun time consuming project that works fairly well. Still some integration that needs to happen, but Media Engine is Open source and actively developed. (Dev team are jerks most of the time though)

Dual-processor car computer? (3, Insightful)

TechnoPops (590791) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913846)

This also looks like the basis for a nice car computer.

Why would you need a car computer with dual processors?

Re:Dual-processor car computer? (1)

xlyz (695304) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913884)

Why would you need a car computer with dual processors?

wait for your car_of_choice being equipped with a longhorn based OS, and then you'll realize it

Re:Dual-processor car computer? (1)

GuruBuckaroo (833982) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913945)

Why would you need a car computer with dual processors?

Why would anyone need more that 640K Ram?

Re:Dual-processor car computer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914128)

Mod parent up! GuruBuckaroo put his finger on it! :)

Re:Dual-processor car computer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913972)

the comment was about a 168 processor rack as a car computer. and you need one about 84 times more than you need a dual processor car computer. why you need one should be pretty obvious.

Re:Dual-processor car computer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914014)

You might not. But for a PVR, it's helpful. That's the great thing about general purpose computers.

Re:Dual-processor car computer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914049)

The backseat driver, of course!

Re:Dual-processor car computer? (5, Funny)

op12 (830015) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914072)

You need one processor to run a moving LED strip on the front of the car, and the other one to talk to you.

"Hello, Michael."

Re:Dual-processor car computer? (3, Interesting)

grylnsmn (460178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914074)

Something like this could be useful for where I work.

We do railroad track geometry testing, and use a modified pickup truck to carry our equipment. A dual processor system would be better for us than our current setup. It would allow us to use one machine for data collection (especially the interrupt handling) and realtime analysis of the data. Additionally, the smaller form factor would allow us to have a lot more room in the back seat of our truck.

2 1GHz processors would be more than enough for our needs. We only have a 800MHz PIII right now.

Re:Dual-processor car computer? (1)

UberLame (249268) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914144)

To drive the car silly.

Re:Dual-processor car computer? (1)

QMO (836285) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914153)

A car computer (other than the one that runs the car) isn't a need in the first place. As long as you're having the luxury (for fun, to impress geeks, bore women, whatever) you might as well get a dual processor.

Yes, but... (1)

cmburns69 (169686) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913848)

Thats all well and good for a potential car computer, but can it keep me from getting pulled over?

Re:Yes, but... (1)

somethinghollow (530478) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914149)

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: No.

Maybe not, but . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914170)

If it's connected to the right cop-blackmail-auto-notify site by satelite internet connection it meight keep you from getting a ticket ala BOFH.

Heat sinks (2, Informative)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913851)

It should be noted that the photos do not show the heat sinks that in fact are intalled on the board.

Why both SATA and ATA-133 (2, Interesting)

selectspec (74651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913860)

You'd think that just SATA would be plenty (maybe SAS for leading edge). Why would want to go to small form factor and use parallel ATA drives?

Re:Why both SATA and ATA-133 (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913897)

If you want mini-itx, chances are that you'll want 2.5'' notebook hard disks - which are both quiet and small.

Go find me a SATA 2.5'' hard disk please ;)

Re:Why both SATA and ATA-133 (1)

csimpkin (808625) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913993)

From Fujitsu [fcpa.com]

Re:Why both SATA and ATA-133 (1)

selectspec (74651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914042)

Fujitsu has a 2.5" SATA plus the 2.5" SAS drives are out too. Admittedly, they are both just now on the market (and might not be shipping in volume yet).

Re:Why both SATA and ATA-133 (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913906)

While SATA harddrives are plentiful, sata cd/dvd drives have only recently started appearing on the market.

Re:Why both SATA and ATA-133 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913941)

You'd think that just SATA would be plenty (maybe SAS for leading edge). Why would want to go to small form factor and use parallel ATA drives?


Give me a link to a SATA optical drive!

Re:Why both SATA and ATA-133 (2, Informative)

fo0bar (261207) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913991)

Give me a link to a SATA optical drive!

Plextor 716SA [plextor.com]

Now, if you say "give me a link to a second SATA optical drive", I might have a harder time.

Re:Why both SATA and ATA-133 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913984)

People may want to use spare parts (hard drives, CD-ROM drives that they have laying around) which are not SATA...

Re:Why both SATA and ATA-133 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914152)

Consider for a moment that CompactFlash's native interface is ATA.

Powerful or not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913870)

...those mini itx boards are damn expensive! Consider the P-M system (for which you would have to use ultra low profile RAM, at least for that case), for the same price you could afford a smaller, lighter and *silent* (fanless) notebook.

When it comes to computer hardware, the dominent factor will always be the production quanitites - until something massmarket, its going to be v. expensive.

There are better buys out there, guys.

Does it suppot serial port re-direct (1)

ZuggZugg (817322) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913875)

I was wondering if it supports console redirect to the serial port or even better still serial over IP to provide a headless/keybordless managenent using the extra NIC?

That would make for a slick *nix based system in the closet...

Re:Does it suppot serial port re-direct (1)

PatrickThomson (712694) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913926)

What's wrong with ssh?

Re:Does it suppot serial port re-direct (1)

id (11164) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914046)

I don't know about for his closet, but for a data center where you might need to get at the box after it has crashed, or maybe to remotely change IP addresses/routes/other stuff, it would be very nice.

Re:Does it suppot serial port re-direct (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914047)

I have yet to see motherboard with ssh enabled BIOS...maybe I've just not looked hard enough.

They want how much? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913883)

$1800 each for the P620. $850 each for "OEM" quantities. Too rich for my blood.

Industry Change (3, Insightful)

stupidcomputers (852188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913887)

Its finally nice to see a company moving the pc in the right directions-small, fast, and quiet. For 20 years the desktop computer has stayed about the same size...its 2005 for crying out loud! Lets get some innovation!

I'm not an apple whore (1)

grahamsz (150076) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914007)

But i think they are leading the industry (in sales at least) of small desktop machines.

Re:I'm not an apple whore (1)

UserChrisCanter4 (464072) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914133)

Speaking as someone who owns three Apples, leading the small desktop industry isn't too tough. Apple's the only big-name company producing a ready-built Mini-ITX sized desktop. Dell makes their 4x00 series of Inspirons, but they're not nearly as small as a mini-itx or Mac Mini. Alienware and similar game PC companies make SFF (shuttle-style) game computers, but they're physically larger and account for such a tiny slice of the market that we could effectively ignore those numbers. I've seen IBM and HP tiny desktops, but they're corporate-targetted products similar to Compaq's old iPaq desktop (not the PDA), and I don't know that a consumer can even purchase one without jumping through small business hoops.

The day Joe User can walk into a Best Buy or Circuit City and walk out with a name-brand Mini-ITX computer, there might be some more competition in that market space. As it is, though, general purpose PC buyers seem to look at price more than anything else, and those who want small products tend to end up with notebooks anyway.

42 U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913896)

Whaer can I get me one o' those 42U units here in Starr County?

Excellent, but one problem... (0)

NRAdude (166969) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913908)

The one PCI slot is 32bit 66MHz.

How to use Magma PCI extension [mobl.com] to full performance capacity [digitalaudiowave.com] ? It's always the little product omissions that are the most debate. Still, a great product. A great cluster!

What? (3, Funny)

mollyhackit (693979) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913914)

Don't they know they need to use giant noisy fans to make a proper pc. What is it with this passivley cooled 486 style mindset?

render farm? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11913928)

would this be a good way to build a cheap low power render farm?

Re:render farm? (1)

valkoinen (81260) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914182)

Too bad that they are not exactly cheap and generally suck at floating point performance (ie. 3D rendering).

Re:render farm? (1)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914213)

It'd certainly be good and use low power, but its anything but cheap. These guys go for $850 in bulk and $1800 in single units. Although the power savings may be worth it... itd take quite some time.
Regards,
Steve

graphics chipset (1)

Mike1024 (184871) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913976)

It's got a a media-processing graphics chipset? That should be a bit improvement on my current graphics chipset, which will do everything except media processing!

Michael

Ahhhhhh, mini completeness (1)

greg_barton (5551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913986)

With one of those and one of these [gizmodo.com] my mini MythTV dreams will be complete...

What board are those photos of? (3, Interesting)

marmite (79819) | more than 9 years ago | (#11913992)

The article says that the northbride is a CN400, but the photos have a CLE266 northbridge on... What's up with that?

--marmite

Re:What board are those photos of? (1)

kosmicki (770049) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914029)

The photos are of a preproduction model.

Re:What board are those photos of? (1)

acoustix (123925) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914053)

RTFA: "Note: the photos shown here depict a pre-production version of the DP-310 supplied by Via last fall. Via has not yet responded to requests for photos of the production version.

There you have it.

-Nick

Why does this thing STILL have PS/2 ports? (3, Interesting)

Fortunato_NC (736786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914009)

Can't we let PS/2 ports die already? Four USB 2.0 ports on this thing, and Via still thought we needed PS/2 ports. I'd rather drop the PS/2 ports and get a FireWire port, or another USB 2.0 port. PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports are as much of a dead end as the MCA bus - it's time to let go.

Re:Why does this thing STILL have PS/2 ports? (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914081)

cos I have no faith in the ability of a USB connection to remain active for a long time... my other box has currently got some 246 days of uptime and the PS2 keyboard and mouse interfaces have never fallen over in all that time.

Re:Why does this thing STILL have PS/2 ports? (2, Interesting)

hey! (33014) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914157)

Hah!

I've seen many a system brought down by a bad PS/2 keyboard.

Now I've seen USB keyboards that stopped working after a while, but I've never seen a system hang because of one.

Re:Why does this thing STILL have PS/2 ports? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914094)

Go to Best Buy / Circuit City / Staples, etc., and tell me how many PS/2 devices you see there, then tell me how many USB devices you see.

There are still a ton of PS/2 peripherals around, and given that the functionality is most likely already in the southbridge, it hardly makes sense NOT to populate the connectors.

Re:Why does this thing STILL have PS/2 ports? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914110)

USB I/O devices are still fair bit more expensive than equivalent PS/2. For cost sensitive designs (I realize this particular board is not quite low-cost) you can reduce system cost by 10% by using PS/2 peripherals. (And note that the USB to PS/2 adapters are fairly costly too).

Now shipping? Where? (2, Informative)

palfrey (198640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914111)

Given Via's history of announcing Mini/Nano-itx boards as "shipping now" and not shipping for anything up to a year or so (anyone actually seen commercial supplies of standard generic 1-processor Nano-ITX boards yet?), does anyone know if this is *actually* shipping? Mini-itx.com doesn't have it, neither does epiacenter.com or linitx.com. I'll believe "shipping now" when someone actually has it...

Again with the PR (0, Flamebait)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914113)

OK people before you all jump on this bandwagon, do some research and check out some reviews.... The ITX using a mobile P4 is interesting... Dual ITX VIA to me is not. VIA owns what was CRIX remember those? No? You know why, because they sucked, they were low power, but ultra low profermance. They come up with the ITX platform so that they could pimp off these horrible processors. From what I have read they are not good for much of anything except single task as an mp3 player. Now with dual it MAY be able to play a DVD without dying... but probably not as the onboard grafix are weak to say the least. Don't get me wrong, ITX as a technology is pretty interesting, but lack of performance is a major problem. Eveyone knows the pros and cons of dual processors (probably here anyway), so the likelihood of anything taking advantage of it is unlikey. In all it will probably let you play a mp3 AND do someting else rather than just single tasking. Perhaps if they spent more time on their processors and less time on their boards they might get somewhere... who knows maybe they are... but anyway in all likelihood a VIA ITX DUAL will still be underpowered for all but the simplest applications. A desktop replacement it is not. Guess will have to just wait for the reviews... Though in the past, production, availability, lack of reviews and information has been a problem. It would not surprise me if this is a paper launch, and it will remain etheral for months or forever.

Anyway my 2 cents

and no I didn't RTFA :)

Re:Again with the PR (1)

not-real-sure (859388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914189)

I run a a Cyrix processor in my MS Exchange 2k3 machine at home which also runs MS Server 2k3. The machine is real simple 512 megs of PC133 ram a 60 gig drive and a Cyrix 800Mhz processor and it runs like a champ...... The problem with Cyrix processors where that they overheated really quickly. They didn't disapate heat like AMD and Intel processors did. Other then that they are perfectly capable processors that came at a bargin price.

Amps in your pants (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11914120)

Sorry to burst the bubble kiddo, but 2.5 kW in an automobile implies that you are pulling 208 Amps at 12 volts. That is a wee bit taxing on your standard automobile electrical system. Maybe if you wire this up with 2 guage welding cable, and use an extra heavy duty alternator your might make it work. I wouldn't want to try.

Um... (1)

lighting (745606) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914161)

Two hairdryers will consume about 2.5 watts.
Two thousand hairdryers will consume 2.5 kilowatts.

~Nick

Dont forget (2, Informative)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914197)

a link to the actual product page [viaembedded.com]

First it was Libraries of Congress... (4, Funny)

MrFenty (579353) | more than 9 years ago | (#11914203)

...for measuring information, now it's measuring computing power by Ghz/hairdryer ?!

Sheesh.

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