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Nero Burning for Linux

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the burning-a-hole-in-the-bin dept.

Software 599

ceasol writes "The German company Nero, developers of the award-winning Nero Burning ROM suite for Windows, now release a free version for Linux called NeroLINUX a CD/DVD Burning Software, and include many features from the Windows version. This software is proprietary but free if you registered." The OEM versions of Nero that come with many CD burners aren't sufficient, though; NeroLINUX is free-as-in-beer only if you've registered "a full version of Nero software version 6 or higher," or a "retail version or downloaded version."

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Useless (-1, Troll)

Pan T. Hose (707794) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923102)

How is it better than cdrdao?

Re:Useless (3, Insightful)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923115)

Other than the fact that you don't have to type cryptic commands?

Re:Useless (5, Funny)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923126)

You have to remember - there are three kinds of Linux users. Those who want to keep usability down to try to impress themselves by using it, those who want to increase usability so that their grandmothers can use it, and your grandmother. The majority of users are not members of the first group. Incidentally, the majority of users also do not assume a moniker derived from women's clothing.

Re:Useless (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923139)

Why cryptic? The man page explains everything. OTOH, I find icons cryptic sometimes. What if I can't understand them? Explain it with even more pictures? Use a comic strip?

Re:Useless (2, Funny)

bird603568 (808629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923141)

so you mean slackware/gentoo users; suse/linspire users; and other distro users?

Re:Useless (3, Insightful)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923181)

Well, the very first time I burned a CD, it took me way less time to get mkisofs to do what I want and then burn it than it takes me every time I see a new version of Nero.

A well-thought CLI program is often more convenient the first time you use it. In the case of mkisofs, the "synopsis" at the very start of the manpage is enough for the typical use. On the other hand, it's pretty non-obvious to guess what do I need to choose to burn the damn files in a badly-designed thing like Nero.

And this applies to the first-time use. For the subsequent, you can't really beat the CLI.

Re:Useless (2, Funny)

bird603568 (808629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923120)

I hope its better than k3b

So do I, but I doubt it (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923230)

k3b is pretty good. The only real problem with it, is that it tries to do everything. I think that kio_burn will be good competition for the average users.

Re:So do I, but I doubt it (1)

bird603568 (808629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923283)

I was being scarcastic

Re:Useless (4, Insightful)

elf-fire (715733) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923130)

It adds a choice. And Linux is all about choices, is not it? I hope it is part of a trend. You do not have to use it. K3B is fine for me for example. But you could, if you want to.

Re:Useless (0, Offtopic)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923150)

That was not a troll and the mod was on crack.

Re:Useless (1, Offtopic)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923212)

Check his posting history and read his name outloud. :)

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923217)

True. I wish slashdot could only be modded using a command line interface. Would drive the idiot moderators away.

/me imagines IRC

Hum. On a second thought, I withdraw this comment.

Free as in... (4, Interesting)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923111)

So it's not free as in speech or free as in beer. It's more like free as in carbonation.

Re:Free as in... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923257)

Free as in beer... If you have a license for Nero.

Also now available (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923112)

A Nero keygen for Linux.

Re:Also now available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923249)

There's a keygen available but you have to compile it before...

Re:Also now available (1)

Zorilla (791636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923255)

You laugh, but I just browsed and saw NeroLinux on there. I was thinking, "WTF?" I thought it may have been some crap Wine port, but then I saw this article.

Re:Also now available (1)

kernel_dan (850552) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923274)

A Nero keygen for Linux.*

*When used in conjunction with WINE.

What? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923114)

NeroLINUX is free-as-in-beer only if you've registered "a full version of Nero software version 6 or higher," or a "retail version or downloaded version."
So you have to buy, or already own a copy of Nero. So tell me again how this is "free-as-in-beer?"

Re:What? (5, Funny)

thoughtcriminal87 (685816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923125)

1) Buy beer
2) Drink beer
3) Vomit beer
4) Drink the new, "free" beer that has just appeared.

Re:What? (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923198)

ROFL! This comment made my day and it is perfectly true.

Re:What? (5, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923223)

Or you could just bypass 1), 2) and 3) and get a Bud or a Corona. Same taste, it's not free though...

Re:What? (5, Interesting)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923142)

So you have to buy, or already own a copy of Nero. So tell me again how this is "free-as-in-beer?"

Well, it's free-as-the-beer-you-steal-from-the-convenience-sh op, given that Nero is usually d/l'ed rather than purchased really.

Perhaps they account for P2P in their "free as in beer" assessment...

Re:What? (2, Interesting)

Cylix (55374) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923175)

Don't forget OEM's.

So far, every burner I've had from new egg has included some version of Nero.

I'm guessing they have a decent OEM base, but I don't have statistics to really clarify that.

Re:What? (4, Informative)

arose (644256) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923289)

You might as well forget them:
Please note: This offer is not for OEM or Trial version users. OEM users can Upgrade Now for a special discount offer.

Re:What? (1)

glimmy (796729) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923251)

free as in Alchohol Free beer

Re:What? (1)

Joey Patterson (547891) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923146)

So tell me again how this is "free-as-in-beer?"

It's like shelling out oodles of cash to go to Cancun for Spring Break where you'll find free beer -- that's how this is "free as in beer."

Re:What? (1)

XryanX (775412) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923197)

My guess is that they're targeting those that buy from Dell, and then wipe the Windows partition to install Linux. They're more or less allowing you to use what you already paid for. While I don't see this being used much, it's definitely nice to see that companies are recognizing the *nix market.

Re:What? (4, Informative)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923260)

Nope, OEM versions are explicitely excluded.

Re:What? (1)

Zorilla (791636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923278)

Dell customers who use Linux...there's your large customer base right there!

Nero would have better spent their time and $$$ (0, Redundant)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923116)

... distributing k3b, cdrecord, cdrdao and all. Those are free as in beer and speech, already work just fine with almost any burner, and they're already there (as opposed to Nero having to roll their own).

Re:Nero would have better spent their time and $$$ (0)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923183)

I wouldn't be surprised if Nero just uses those as a backend, so basically that's what they're doing. All they had to do was make the GUI.

Re:Nero would have better spent their time and $$$ (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923250)

NeroLINUX uses NeroAPI for low-level operations (burn process) (FTA)

Re:Nero would have better spent their time and $$$ (1)

anicca (819551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923267)

That's funny. I could not burn a disc without errors using a lite-on 16x, gentoo and 2.6.10. The burner would NOT burn error free and DVDshrink would not run for crap. I played with it for a WEEK. The advice I kept getting was 'use 2.6.7 for burning'. (I don't want to) Now if nero can burn on my puter without errors I may have to switch back to gentoo. Since 90% of what I do is game and burn dvds, linux is not really suitable yet...will be if other software producers follow nero (and ID) and put out Linux ports of their stuff.

But can it compete? (1, Flamebait)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923124)

Can it compete with the likes of GnomeBaker? No? And it costs money? Ok, nothing to see here then.

Re:But can it compete? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923160)

Can it compete with the likes of GnomeBaker? No? And it costs money? Ok, nothing to see here then.

When it's about Gnome and Gnome apps, you're right, there's really nothing to see here...

Re:But can it compete? (5, Insightful)

Zorilla (791636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923296)

Parent post is not flamebait. It was a general comment on how uncustomizable the Gnome GUI is. When you can't do so much as change your mouse cursor from the preferencess window and have to re-point your /etc/alternatives/x-mouse-cursor to a new theme file instead, things are very wrong.

Re:But can it compete? (1)

pseudochaotic (548897) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923174)

I suppose this is what commercial software gets for ignoring Linux for so long. Somebody else writes something better for free, and the market they're aiming for with this completely vanishes.

Advantages of Nero? (4, Insightful)

haluness (219661) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923127)

Never having used Nero on Windows, are there advantages to using Nero on Linux?

It seems, that cdrecord and k3b (or xtoaster) does everything I need

Re:Advantages of Nero? (1)

bird603568 (808629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923153)

THe only guess is that they have support. In case you have a problem, maybe. no i didnt rtfa becasue its down

Re:Advantages of Nero? (2, Informative)

Rashkae (59673) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923193)

Except, if you read the fine frint in the FA, it says, Neor offers *No* support for the Linux Version.... so... no.

Re:Advantages of Nero? (2, Insightful)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923216)

For data DVD's and CD's, cdrecord and k3b are more than enough. For video, though, duplicating DVD's enters interesting legal territory. The libdvdcss libraries often used for Linux video DVD burning have been ruled illegal in several countries. Getting a clean copy of a legal, licensed, software package to do DVD burning and avoid the potential liability is understandable.

Also, Nero is considerably better in its interfaces than even k3b.

plugins (1)

glrotate (300695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923218)

A feature I find helpfull are the plugins. They allow drag and drop of FLACs WMAs or just about any other filetype you can think of.

Nero is to K3B arguably what OSX is to Linux (4, Insightful)

ShatteredDream (636520) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923282)

It is one thing to just do most of the same things, but how you do them is the real issue. In that respect, Nero is still much farther ahead than K3B. That isn't to say that K3B is a bad product, in fact for most of my needs it is great. Nero for Windows is a very aggressively designed and updated product. It supports basically every burner out there, every type of media, burns any type of disk (VCD, SVCD, DVD movie, data, music, etc) and is just... solid and slick in how it does stuff.

Again, it's not that K3B isn't competitive. It certainly is, but it's not there yet. Nero for Linux appears to be identical in its UI to the Windows version so it's another great way to bridge Linux and Windows. The bottom line is that it is very good, many people have it because it comes with many burners and having it on Linux will be another program that people who are wont to not learn how to use their computer will be able to say, "oh I know that program" that is part of their semi-daily use.

Re:Advantages of Nero? (3, Insightful)

cgranade (702534) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923290)

Same here. I still welcome this heardily. Why? Choice. If someone wants to use the Nero OEM that came with their burner instead of K3b, let 'em. No harm to me. It knocks down one more barrier to Linux on the desktop. One of the primary reasons for me sticking with a Windows system before was because of Nero's DVD authoring systems (before I realized I had no talent in movies, anyway). Qdvdauthor is kinda sorry, or at least it was, and even if it wasn't, choice is a primarally good thing, right? It'd be hypocritical of us to slam Nero for doing something that helps us with our goals.

screenshots (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923129)

any screenshots available? does anybody know what toolkit they've used?

Re:screenshots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923188)

Here []

It's pointless (4, Interesting)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923131)

Now, tell me, what exactly would I want Nero for?

It's only value is that it includes a comprehensive point&click interface, but even though it's stuffed with features, it can't beat the existing, free tools.

Unless you're a Windows user who wants a program he's familiar with, there is no reason to even look at it. Plus, it's not even free-as-beer, as you need to pay for a full, registered version of Nero for Windows.

gpl violation? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923144)

This is a blatent ripoff of k3b... Shouldn't they release their source code so that we can all check it to make sure there is no GPL code stuck in there someplace?? Cause i am pretty sure there is... One guy doesn't come up with a whole burning suite by himself in 40 ... and the interface looks strangly familar... almost like ive seen it someplace before.. It probably even generates error codes similar to this program i used to use for windows.. So, aw, any one got a .torrent??

Re:gpl violation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923189)

This is a blatent ripoff of k3b... Shouldn't they release their source code so that we can all check it to make sure there is no GPL code stuck in there someplace?? Cause i am pretty sure there is... One guy doesn't come up with a whole burning suite by himself in 40 ... and the interface looks strangly familar... almost like ive seen it someplace before.. It probably even generates error codes similar to this program i used to use for windows.. So, aw, any one got a .torrent??

You should get a faster CD writer, that'd leave you more time to attend grammar at school.

No ISO support ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923145)

I had to use the program once. It seemed that they were hot on pushing their own proprietary CD image format. I could not find ISO support in the version I was using. cdrecord rules!

Re:No ISO support ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923180)


Re:No ISO support ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923246) typeid=2&articleid=5930&subsectionid=377

"If you have a slightly older version, you'll notice that support for ISO images is conspicuous by its absence, and that the program only appears to support Ahead's proprietary NRG image format, which isn't the same. On the surface this is indeed true, but older versions of Nero can still open and burn ISO CD images with a little persuasion and knowledge."

Re:No ISO support ... (2, Informative)

FLEB (312391) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923208)

It's a bit hidden away.

(My experience is relevant to Nero v5. YMMV.)

I, and I imagine most people, would find the "Image Writer", a virtual CD-R that you can use to make only Nero images (.nra). You can do all the things you can do with any other CD-R drive with that, burn a "disc", copy a disc, etc. It only supports .nra, though.

There is, however, a menu-item, "Save Track", that will let you save ISO images, utilizing one of the most confusing and hackneyed file chooser ever.

Nero does support burning from ISOs in the same fashion as .NRA archives.

Re:No ISO support ... (5, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923248)

It only supports .nra, though.

I didn't realize Charlton Heston owned Nero stock...

Is it good? (1)

nefele (654499) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923149)

I'm wondering if more companies releasing Linux versions of their software is actually a good thing for Linux. Since there's so many free (as in speech and beer) software for recording CDs, how much of a market share can Nero for Linux hope to get?
Similarly, with products like the Helix player, is the user base big enough for companies to justify porting to Linux?

The problem is this might discourage companies like Adobe, which develop products that generally have no OSS equivalents (I know, GIMP, but please explain that to graphics artists).

Re:Is it good? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923186)

Well, one interesting thing - almost all linux burning tools are really just wrappers around cdrecord. Now, cdrecord is okay, but the developer is an utter and complete pillock, leading to several distros maintaining their own forks. Nero might have a completely independent codebase. Even such very weak competition might lead to some improvement in cdrecord.


TheWingThing (686802) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923152)

It's free if you already bought a license for a Windows version. It asks the serial number of the one you bought already, to download the Linux version. So, it's not "Free-as-in-beer" free. It's just "buy-one-get-one" (BOGO)free. Kinda like BOGOMIPS :D

Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923154)

Maybe Microsoft can follow suit and offer free-as-in-beer copies of Paint for Linux if you've registered Windows.

looks like... (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923155)

there was chat about this at and OSNews and both places have links to screenshots for Gnome-Toaster and it sure looks like a Nero branded Gnome-Toaster

So... dear Linux community what do YOU want? (4, Interesting)

lonesometrainer (138112) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923157)

Would you like to open your beloved OperatingSystem to the mainstream, would you want to see it become a real alternative to Windows, with commercial and proprietary applications?

Then put your comments ("they rather release the source, k3b is a lot better, I want to compile this shit under gentoo") where the sun doesn't shine. Mainstream and real competetion equals to commercial stuff (and the author of this message thinks this is GOOD).

Or do you prefer to stay geekie? Sugar-coke, kernel-hacks, geek-elitism, no sunlight, no showers, spots (and clearasil), jokes about years old bsd-girl-daemon-pics? Then let them know it (and greet the openbsd community in that case).

Decide for yourself.

Re:So... dear Linux community what do YOU want? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923203)

what in the fuck are you babbling about you silly bitch?

Might be free after all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923159)

Depending on what exactly they mean by "downloaded version".

uhh who cares? (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923163)

cdrecord and mkisofs work for me.

Re:uhh who cares? (2, Informative)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923228)

Not for DVD's, you usually need growisofs for burning those.

Re:uhh who cares? (1)

DustyShadow (691635) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923238)

For Linux to get past the "learning curve", if you will, and onto a normal user's desktop, it needs to be more user friendly. My mom and dad are never going to use the command line.

Re:uhh who cares? (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923266)

Then they can use k3b.

This *is* important. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923166)

Cut the free software crap. This is a mainstream company willing to take pay-per-use apps on Linux seriously.

Don't forget that the OS itself is pretty much commodity. Its the apps that count, and for a mature and *decent* app to make it to Linux is important news.

Re:This *is* important. (4, Insightful)

Rashkae (59673) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923243)

I would almost agree, except, as others pointed out, they are a dollar short and several days late.

5 years ago, hell, even 2 years ago, I would have seen value in a decent burning GUI. Since then, we have K3B and the new Gnome whatchamacallit, that both do the same thing, better, support more formats, and are not hindered by little things like CSS.... Sooo, how seriously can they be taking this product?

This might even cause OSS harm. Now hardware companies can make proprietary changes to the hardware interface, say, for copy protection. When people complain that Linux can't use the hardware, they can reasonably point to Nero as a burning solution. So not only does this not bring anything new or desirable to the desktop, it can be used to further hinder development of truly open and free systems.


Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923302)

Fully insightful and informative.

Re:This *is* important. (2, Insightful)

rbochan (827946) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923295)

...This is a mainstream company willing to take pay-per-use apps on Linux seriously....

Yes, and that's nice and all, but they're scratching an itch that's already been scratched - for ages now - and with superb tools that have zero cost to the end user.
Sheesh... you can only use the "free" version of NeroLINUX if you've paid for a Microsoft Windows version. So, if you don't even use Microsoft Windows, you have to buy an app for it anyway. No thanks.

This Makes Me See How Important FOSS Is To Me (5, Insightful)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923169)

I misread this the first time through and thought it was saying a free version was available for Linux -- and didn't see the part about you had to have a registered Windows version. Even without the extra gotcha, this made me realize how important free (as in speech) software is to me.

I started using Linux somewhere around 1998, and moved everything (except compatibility testing) around 2000/2001. Since then I learned how to add almost any program or game I wanted with rpm -ivh {package_name}, then urpmi {package_name}, and now apt-get install {package_name}. It's not just the ease of use, but knowing that it is available, to me and anyone who wants it, that I can modify it or pay to have it modified, that I can help debug it, and even suggest new features.

I (mis)read this story and my first thoughts were, 1) Why bother, I've got programs that do almost all, to 2) But it's hard to do some of the DVD authoring that Nero will help with, to 3) But Nero controls it.

That's when I realized how important FOSS is to me and my company. I hadn't realized that I actually avoid commercial software now, and prefer FOSS, since I can make bug reports, make suggestions, and even modify if I need to. I also realized I do NOT want software (any more) that another company controls and can decide to remove from the market, or bastardize so it's no longer the program I liked. If it's FOSS, I know I'll almost always be able to find an older version if I need it, and that I can always locate it and re-install it easily if it gets horked.

So let Nero do what they want. I know in a year or two we'll see better DVD authoring under Linux (and eventually even see professional video editing in FOSS). This story helped me realize I can no longer deal with paying for software with fewer freedoms than that which apt-get installs for me. I don't want software someone else has total control over. (Okay, well maybe Myst and it's sequals, but we all know games are another story...)

This story helped me realize... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923281)

... why my grammar teacher said to avoid repetition in texts.

Re:This Makes Me See How Important FOSS Is To Me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923286)

Jesus, noone asked for your linux-erotic love story. Get a room.

The company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923172)

isn't called nero but it's called ahead.

Commercial Desktop App (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923177)

Despite there being open source burning programs, I think it is positive to see commercial desktop software being developed for Linux.

I am not trying to say Nero is better/worse than the alternatives, but now there is an additional alternative -- and software companies focusing on desktop apps are starting to take a Linux desktop more seriously.

Star Wars III Rendered on Windows XP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923182) id=12312 []

Microsoft said that famous upcoming Star Wars Episode III, Revenge of the sith was rendered on beta version in Windows 64 bit.

This means this operating system like a desirable option even in its beta stage was good enough to render a state of the art movie. The company called Jak Movies decided to go for Windows 64 bit since it was faster to render under 64 bit windows.

This version of Windows is almost ready to meet all the Athlon 64, FX, Pentium Four and Celerons which support it and this is just a start of the new marchitecture. Its interesting to know that such a massive project where actually done with Windows and its 64 bit beta version. Many of us is waiting for that movie for a long time and we will see what 64 bit windows software and tools powered with nice artists where able to make.

Good thing (4, Informative)

teslatug (543527) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923190)

Before discovering K3B, a CD/DVD burning software was the main thing I was missing under Linux. K3B is nice, but Nero (at least under Windows) had a lot more options.

This is yesterday's news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923192)

In yesterday's news: "NeroLinux - Nero CD Burning App comes to Linux" [] I suggested this story a day or two ago, but as usual, it wasn't posted. I included that article & discussion in my submission as well, but of course none of that matters now. Thanks again, I love being rejected.

Re:This is yesterday's news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923269)

go back to #suse and shut up you silly fucker

Title wrong? (4, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923195)

I thought Nero fiddled while Linux burned.

is that GTK 1.x? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923200)

is that GTK 1.x????
What the hell?

Migration.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923204)

Of course this is useful. It is a familiar application for a Windows user considering a migration to Linux.

Take a simple question:"How will I burn CDs?"

The answer could be as simple as "You use Nero, right? Well, it's available for Linux and it's free if you still have your licence number."

Most users have their own familiar suite of programs. The more direct the replacement that is available the better - less learning curve for new Linux users and consequently less chance that the prospective new user will give up in frustration.

Slashdot 2 days late? (5, Insightful)

BestNicksRTaken (582194) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923209)

This has already been discussed to death on and

Essentially it is using the GnomeToaster GUI under license (not GPL) with a Nero API/drivers backend.

It's closed source and doesn't include Nero Recode (aka DVD Shrink) or anything other than Nero Burning ROM.

Firefox Spyware infects IE? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923210) re-infects-ie.html []

What if there was an infection out there that could bypass Firefox and still get its grubby little paws on IE, and from there, the heart of your OS? What if that same infection could get past not only FF, but a whole raft of other (supposedly more secure) browsers too?

What if, of all people, Neil Diamond was indirectly involved in this craziness?

The answer is, some sneaky coding is being used to get around your browser of choice. Upon visiting the target website, nothing happens. Nothing that is, unless you have Sun Java Runtime Environment installed on the host machine. And seeing how everyone is being urged to turn away from Microsoft's Java in favour of Sun's version, this could spell problems for browsers currently lording it over IE.

right on (1)

tloh (451585) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923213)

I feel most of the opinions here so far are pretty on target. This is nothing more than a ploy by Nero to expose more linux using eyeballs to the Nero brand name, which as has already been pointed out, is not really useful to anyone. Nero's new offering doesn't really distinguish itself in any way among the existing burning tools for the Linux platform. Their distribution policy doesn't really extend the user base beyond those already using Nero under Windows, so what is the point from their perspective???

must mean that MS is doing a CD burner (2, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923215)

It seems like companies that port to Linux only do so on the downturn, never while they are hot. I am guessing that MS must be taking away space from Nero.

Free as in Emperor (1)

LittleGuernica (736577) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923225)

As this Roman emperor sets foot on this free -as in beer- open source land he is welcomed in a cool manner he didn't expect.

Nero is a fine piece of software and it's a good thing that a good app like that is coming to Linux. If you ever want Linux to make it big (as in desktop), which I doubt some people would want, because Linux would lose the "cult" status it has now,you need programs like this available on Linux.

Linux, if you want it to penetrate the home desktop, has to grow up, because let's be honest, KDE still looks like shit and it's the closest you get to a good GUI...

meh (2, Insightful)

wurd (767411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923229)

good for them for acknowledging linux, but i like K3B a lot more than anything i've used under windows, including nero. but hey, competition is a good thing so keep em coming.

Catch-22 as usual... (5, Insightful)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923237)

If a commercial software vendor doesn't support linux people bitch. If a commercial software vendor does support it people bitch that the software isn't GPL. If the software gets GPL'd, people bitch that it hasn't been ported to their distros of choice.

And then the linux community wonders why so few companies bother to code for linux.

Comedy cdrecord reference in the screenshots (1)

tinla (120858) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923242)

I like the way the screenshot tree shows the cdrecord /etc entry.

Here are some mirrored screenshots, if anyone cares: one [] two [] three [] four [] five []

slashdot at it's finest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923254)

Well, it never ceases to amaze me, The majority of us Linux users and developers (yes I develop and use linux every day) will be quite happy to welcome another company to linux. We can all play nicely together folks. How long have we spent trying to convince companies that it is worth releasing linux versions of their software. Now just because they don't make it totally free and GPL it it's a bad thing. Come on get over it. GPL is fantastic. But it's about choice. They have the right to release their software (note their software not ours or yours) however they please. They are a company and as such they have a responsibility to make money. I release software I develop under different licences as necessary. Both GPL and non GPL - I don't see the problem. If you only want gpl that's fine but don't bemoan the lack of mainstream software available. If you want mainstream stuff like adobe - here's the wake up - it's going to have to be under a proprietary licence - at least for now. But if they release anything under linux it can only be good in the long run as it gives people more of a choice. and that's what it's about.
Please, let's get together on this, there is room for both kinds of licence. leave the zealotry at home and let's work on getting Linux to the number one spot, then we can start to convince the proprietary co's it's worth releasing under the gpl.

Anger (1)

TurboStar (712836) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923259)

As many others pointed out, this software is not free in any way; you have to buy it. Who cares if it runs on Linux? This is not newsworthy. If this were the first ever application to let you burn CDs under Linux it might be newsworthy, but there have been other options for years. Yes, I know it's all been said. I'm saying it again.

Warning: Proprietary DRM (1, Troll)

Pan T. Hose (707794) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923262)

Now having read the article, browsed the website and analysed the legal documents, I can see this software does not only seem inferior to cdrdao, but it is actually proprietary software with DRM. Click the EULA [] link after following the NeroLINUX [] link in the story before you pollute your Free and Open system with proprietary restrictions and Microsoft DRM. See the paragraph C-1-a:


I. Third Party Disclaimer and Limitations

a.) WM-DRM: Content providers are using the Microsoft digital rights management technology for Windows Media distributed with this Software ("WM-DRM") to protect the integrity of their content ("Secure Content") so that their intellectual property, including copyright, in such content is not misappropriated. Portions of this Software and other third party applications use WM-DRM to play Secure Content ("WM-DRM Software"). If the WM-DRM Software's security has been compromised, owners of Secure Content ("Secure Content Owners") may request that Microsoft revoke the WM-DRM Software's right to copy, display and/or play Secure Content. Revocation does not alter the WM-DRM Software's ability to play unprotected content. A list of revoked WM-DRM Software is sent to your computer whenever you download a license for Secure Content from the Internet. Microsoft may, in conjunction with such license, also download revocation lists onto your computer on behalf of Secure Content Owners. Secure Content Owners may also require you to upgrade some of the WM-DRM components distributed with this Software ("WM-DRM Upgrades") before accessing their content. When you attempt to play such content, WM-DRM Software built by Microsoft will notify you that a WM-DRM Upgrade is required and then ask for your consent before the WM-DRM Upgrade is downloaded. Non-Microsoft WM-DRM Software may do the same. If you decline the upgrade, you will not be able to access content that requires the WM-DRM Upgrade; however, you will still be able to access unprotected content and Secure Content that does not require the upgrade. WM-DRM features that access the Internet, such as acquiring new licenses and/or performing a required WM-DRM Upgrade, can be switched off. When these features are switched off, you will still be able to play Secure Content if you have a valid license for such content already stored on your computer.
[emphasis added]

Just make sure you fully understand all of the implications before you put this trojan horse in the mouth. This is proprietary software with an EULA that uses "intellectual property" newspeak. This is always a bad sign. Such an agreement may be OK for typical ignorant Windows users or software "pirates" but is certainly unacceptable for any conscious GNU/Linux users, so please be bery careful. I would recommend sticking to cdrdao and cdrecord until this software is released under more reasonable conditions.

Nero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923276)

Silly bullshit, it's not free and it's not free.

OK folks, make up your minds... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11923285)

You want companies to support linux, yet when they do you bash their stuff! (you know who you are)

Kudo's to Ahead for making a software product particularly targeted for Linux! Looking at their site, I see that it SUPPORTS a number of kernel versions and distributions.

Hmm, I bet corporate customers are really fond of software that has some form of customer support besides newsgroups!

Just because flavor-of-the-week-open-source-burner-software works great for you doesnt mean that it will work great for companies! It also doesnt mean we should bash the existence of that choice. Companies *will* pay money to improve consistancy and to reduce variability. A known cost is better than an unknown cost. Unsupported (or community) software is an unknown cost. Most companies would rather pay the known cost (maintenance) than deal with the unknown.

(Yes that was a blanket statement. In some cases, the cost can be quantified a bit better for some of these unsupported/community supported softwares and with such knowledge you can significantly reduce the variability. Generally this fits tools that are almost defacto standards like Apache and what not.)

I like to think of it this way... its one more option available on Linux that you can also find in the Windows world, making it one more item which can be checked off in the "why [some company] scared to transition to linux" list.

Missing the point... (4, Insightful)

carbona (119666) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923291)

The audience for Nero is a Windows convert who was familiar with Nero's interface on that other OS and doesn't care that there are existing GPL tools and GUI frontends to burn discs.

I understand the necessity of promoting non-restricted open source software, but things like this are a plus for Linux, particularly if we are holding out any chance that it will start to make serious waves on the desktop.

Nice Try, but Still not what I'm looking for. (1)

ShyGuy91284 (701108) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923292)

Although you can use a command line to burn DVDs/CDs, putting together a disc is something I've always like having a simple point-and-click interface for, as we all know dealing with multiple files on the command line isn't the easiest thing to do. Those that do have the Windows version of Nero probably agree that it's the most fully-featured Windows burning software out there. I've been looking for something nice for Linux, and this could have been it if it didn't require the Licensing (I prefer not to have one $150 program on my system when the rest was free). K3B is nice, but part of the KDE bloat. I'm waiting to see where Gnomebaker and I think Graveman will go in terms of becoming a unified and complete burning suite.

Who get's the funds? (1)

CherniyVolk (513591) | more than 9 years ago | (#11923301)

I have to register, in affect purchase, a Windows binary in order to download the "free" Linux port.

I applaud their efforts, I really do. However, I rather they admit it's not free, and provide a means for Linux users to "purchase" the proprietary software ported to Linux. I purchase proprietary software for Linux, Cedega, Doom3. I purchase proprietary software that runs ontop of OSS software... MacOS X comes to mind...

It really doesn't make sense to buy a product I can not use in order to attain a "free" advertised product I CAN use. So, I'm sitting there with a Win32 binary, what am I going to do with it? They must be under the assumption, many Linux users dual boot. I haven't dual booted or ran Microsoft Windows on my personal computers since Windows 3.11. So, a win32 binary will do me no good and be deleted or maybe never even downloaded.

So, their stats show a surge in sales. Those sales are strongly indicative to Windows environments. And, their win32 code gurus get the pleasure I suspect. I want Linux to get the credit. And, only Linux. For example, I could have purchased a laptop from Sony cheaper than the one I purchased from Infact, perhaps 500-1000 dollars less. But, since the guys at next can jot down a mark for a computer sold with only Linux pre-installed, that's a tick in the pool for investors to look at and ponder. It's already hard to analyze market trends with something like Linux. And let's face it, as far as investors go, Linux is only as big as companies say it is. Even though, any intelligent person can realize that any market stats on the use of Linux is greatly and even statistically grotesquely underestimated.

I think NeroLINUX should be available without the requirement to purchase a Windows binary. I'm sorry for the guys at Nero, if they are doing this to help the extravagant costs of Windows development tools, then that's a shame. If this is the case (to fund their Microsoft License costs) off of OSS dollars, then they should accept the fact that Win32 is going by the wayside or reconsider their negotiations... whatever needs to be done. I do not want my dollar going to Microsoft, period.
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