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Celeron Dual Board Adapter

CmdrTaco posted more than 15 years ago | from the for-the-hardware-hacker dept.

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Stephan writes "MSI recently introduced an adapter for using two normal Celerons in dual PII boards without any tricks. You can even increase fsb speed!"

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multi celeron mod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900600)

I like how for every feature, they add at the bottom:

Note: MSI does not guarantee that the mainboard, CPU, or other components will function properly under these conditions.

Nooooooo...!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900601)

Even though these slockets have been on the market for a little while, I don't think it was common knowledge...until now that is. I was gonna be the only one on the block with a 500Mhz dual PII linux machine, but I guess I can forget that. I'll have to hurry and order my parts now too, before the /. effect dries up the supply and drives up prices. It's times like this I hate ****ing capitalism!!

Re:Nooooooo...!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900602)

Ah, so you'd prefer to hoarde the good information/components for yourself? How terribly greedy! You should be ashamed.

Re:Mahvelous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900603)

you can make them as fast or FASTER than a PII.

well no, not really. at an equal clock speed a pII will at worst give almost identical performance to a celery and under many situation it will usually give you better performance. the thing withthe celery's is that the price/performance ratio is so much better than normal pentiums that it kinda makes buy in a normal pentium seem like your throughing your money away. always remember that hype should not be confused with fact, celerons are nice but a fullblown pentium is better though it's prolly not that much better that it warrents spending the extra cash unless you got the money to burn.

Re:Dual Celeron Help (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900604)

www.pricewatch.com for dealers. You would probably want:

2 boxed (get boxed, higher quality) Celeron 366 PPGA (socket 370)

1 Asus, Supermicro, or tyan dual BX motherboard

2 MSI MS-6905 Revision 2's PPGA to Slot1 converters.

as before, dealers for these can be found at http://www.pricewatch.com

Re:HAVE SOME RESPECT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900605)

Well I for one plan on going staigth to hell first class.

Of course, dual 550s =) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900606)

Dual 366 celerys O/Cd to 550 each. I've been trying this for a while, but cant get them stable. There's lots o discussions on properly O/Cing yer celery at tomshardware.com, for those who would like more info on it.

Re:Of course, dual 550s =) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900607)

if you are truly into overclocking celerons #celeron/EFnet is the place to be hehehehe =).
BTW, those adapters have been around for many months( since the ppga was introduced ). Not any kind of news to anyonoe into hardware really

Re:Recommendations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900608)

If I ever pay off personal debt and student loans, I'd to hop on the bandwagon. Fyi, Anandtech didn't rate the BX6-2 nearly as highly as the BH6... personally, I'd lean towards Abit over Asus because pulling jumpers is often no fun. What I'd REALLY like to know, though, is where to actually get a no-brainer overclockable Celeron? I keep hearing 300A's are virtually all gone... but pricewatch.com still lists them. Will the OEM chips have a good chance of hitting 450? If not, what is the general experience with Celeron 333's? I have a feeling any of the higher speed grades will most likely max out at 83 MHz FSB unless I try to play the cooling game. All I'm interested in is getting a new mobo, a slocket adapter (if I want to think SMP) and a retail (or OEM) Celeron that will run at 100 MHz. Last thought... does Abit do a SCSI mobo? Most of the ones I see, Asus, Tyan, Supermicro... aren't exactly inexpensive.

Re:Slashdot saves the day (and my wallet) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900609)

Doh .I just ordered a Tyan dual motherboard and one P2-400 :-\

Re:Slashdot saves the day (and my wallet) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900610)

No, buy two Celeron 300A and overclock them to 100MHz FSB, thus getting 450MHz for cheap and benefit of a fast FSB. You'll need PC100 mem but that's true for the PII 400 also.

If you're brave you can try oc'ing the Celery 333 to 500.

Re:Nooooooo...!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900611)

sorry pal, ive known plenty of people running dual celerons at 500+mhz for many months



dropn

PII vs. CeleronR????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900612)

The Celeron 300A DOES benchmark slightly faster than the PII 300. 300A has only 128K l2 cache, but it's full clock speed more than makes up for it.

The 300A even benchmarks faster than the PII450 when properly OCd, as nature intended, yielding possibly the best price/performance ratio of any computing device ever.

Re:Recommendations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900613)

I use the Tekram P6B40D which is working quite well overclocking two 300A PPGAs to 450 with the Soltek SL-02A8 slotkets (at default voltage).

Here in Japan people are mostly using the cheaper MBs (Tekram, Gigabyte and Epox) rather than Asus or Tyan for Dual, and from what I've seen they all work well.

Retail 300A (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900614)

Mine are retail and the biggest complaint I have is that the included fans don't come with speed sensor (only 2 wire). My older Slot 1 300A retail fan does. I can't believe Intel is cutting corner on that.

WTF r u guys on about? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900615)

My emphasis was on the going to hell part, not the first class part. It was a cheap one-liner for chrissake!

Intel server MoBo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900616)

I have an LX based dual PII motherboard from Intel. Using PII CPU's, the fastest I can go is dual 333's. (because of the LX chipset)

I want to try dual 466 Celerons (Much less than ONE PIII 500) but I'm not sure the motherboard will like these...

Anybody tried Celerons in Intel motherboards?

quad pII (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900617)

Has anyone heard of an adapter for quad PII motherboards? Can this be done?

Re:My New System (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900618)

Unfortunately, I can't think of any cames written to take advantage of dual CPUs...

Re:My New System (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900619)

Unfortunately, I can't think of any games written to take advantage of dual CPUs...

Re:Of course, dual 550s =) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900620)

I've been running dual 433's O/C to 489 for a couple weeks now, (Asus P2B-D) and it works flawlessly...Well, almost. top no longer displays the cpu usage percentages correctly, it shows the all as 0.00%.

My current slockets dont have voltage modifiers. Maybe when i get ones that do i will be able to get 6.5 x 83 = 544. (well, I can dream can't I) :D

Re:quad pII - almost anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900621)

While you could technically do it you wouldn't be happy with the results. In order to get good return on each CPU, you must have large fast caches and good supporting chipsets. This is something that the Celerons and PIIs lack a bit. So yes you can but who would want a near-zero performance gain on your fourth or eigth processor?

Nowhere near the world's fastest PC ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900622)

Unless you limit PC to mean x86 compatable. If you include any microcomputer running windows then the fastest system I know of is a dual Alpha 21264 500mhz setup. each of these processors is about twice as fast as a pentium III 500 at integer and about 4 times as fast at floating point. Nothing else even comes close.

Re:Recommendations (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900654)

Yeh, supermicro makes good motherboards. They're pretty stable when o/ced as well.

I have an Asus P97L-D right now (Dual LX). its ok, but SMP gets REALLY unstable when O/Ced on a dual LX, specially when playing quake2 (Quake3 doesnt crash it tho.. hmm).

My celerons are 1 boxed slot1, and 1 boxed PPGA 366 :).

I'd get Supermicro, or tyan. Asus is ok, but i've seen most people have better luck with sm or tyan

Re:Recommendations(best for an overclock) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900655)

Hi, I help run the #celeron channel on efnet so i have a little of extra experience of what chips are good and bad. From what I have heard the best chance to get a 300a to 450 is a PPGA Retail boxed 300a(OEM is a close 2nd). I know very few people that have gotten the ppga 300a and not hit 450. Of course you will need a PPGA motherboard(Abit BM6 is an EXCELLENT board), or a slocket adapater, such as the one mentioned in the post.

Peace

dropn/#celeron

Retail Vs. OEM (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900656)

The only reason to buy a retail boxed CPU is to avoid remarks and previously abused processors. The bottom end of the PC parts market is full of people that are absolute scum. Computer shows are usually full of "dealers" selling dubious crap for cash to stupid buyers, but you even find the scam artists advertising in Computer Shopper. The last few years have seen scams such as fake cache chips on motherboards, remarked 486s, remarked Pentiums, remarked AMD chips, remarked RAM, Intel sound-a-like names for other chipsets (TXPro, VXPro, BXII, etc, etc,) on crap cheapo motherboards. ugghh..

signal 11 compiling (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900657)

I finally got around to compiling the kernel on my semi-new dual retail 300 ppga (MSI adapters) overclocked to 450. But I kept getting random compiler errors, mostly signal 11. I finally got it to compile by running make after the errors and deleting the .o file it had croaked on. The temp was around 90-96 F. Anybody get similiar problems?

-Willy

Re:Where can I buy them.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900658)

www.censuspc.com [censuspc.com]

Why not an Alpha 500mhz for $250? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900659)

Everyone seems hell bent on getting overclocked celerons to do things that are somewhat risky or difficult. I've found new Alpha 500mhz 21164 processors with the motherboard for $250 new. This is more horsepower than anything intel has to offer and it runs Linux, BSD, OpenVMS, Digital Unix and NT very well. I benchmarked it's I/O and, with a 256-bit memory bus, it has about 800MB/s memory throughput UNDER EMULATION MODE with Wintune95. Doing RC-5 DESII keys, I can crack about 7 million keys per second. It's 64-bit today. For $250, I would like to see anyone put together a motherboard+processor that could compete. String about a dozen of these together and you have one mean Linux cluster!

So does Soltek (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1900660)

And so does Soltek. Dual-capable Slotkets has been around for a while. What is new about these new batches of slotkets (MSI 6905D, Soltek SL-02A8 and Powerleap) are that they allow changing the FSB (which you can probably set on the motherboard) and the core voltage (which you generally can't).

Re:Dual Celeron Help (1)

whoop (194) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900661)

revision 2? The place I saw that had them labeled them as v1.1.

My New System (2)

hank (294) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900662)

Tom Pabst, of Tom's Hardware fame, recently took a Kryotech K6-3 500 system and utilizted the cooling system to overclock an Intel processor to 618Mhz. The 618Mhz Celeron cooked the P3-500 and all other processors in it's way. He entitled his article "The World's Fastest PC."

If I had cash, I would make a Dual Celeron system o/c'd to 618Mhz a piece, 256meg of RAM, all running on a Tyan Thunderbolt motherboard. Got my SCSI and ethernet built right in. Pop in a Diamond MX300. I'd wait for Metabyte to license there new technology to Diamond. Using PGP, I'd have 4 Viper 770s running in parallel. Can you the best gaming rig in existence?

Recommendations (1)

rngadam (304) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900663)

Could someone recommend me a good slot-1 pentium-ii motherboard to go with those "slockets" adapters? I want something with the best performance/price ratio.

Thanks!

Re:A lil' off the subject, but not by much.. (1)

phil reed (626) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900664)

The celeron uses the basic PII design, which only can coordinate two processors. If you want more, you have to go to a different processor, like the Xeon.


...phil

More to the point (1)

John Allsup (987) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900666)

How much is a decent BX motherboard, two 300A PPGA celerons and two of these adaptors?? Any prices yet??

Mine overheated and died within a month (1)

John Allsup (987) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900667)

Cyrix chips may make wonderful hobs to cook on, but they really dont make much of a CPU -- after my brief encounter, I would never touch a Cyrix again, and I know a few others who wouldn't tough them either.

bemachines.com (0)

PHroD (1018) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900671)

has them too, has had em for a while...we all know BeOS uses multi-cpus very efficiently :)


"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix

Slashdot saves the day (and my wallet) (2)

Jerky McNaughty (1391) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900672)

I was just about to buy a dual processor PII-400 system because I didn't want to make the modifications to two Celeron processors to make them run SMP. I hadn't heard about this before! I'll have to pick up a couple of nice (and cheap) PPGA socket 370 400 MHz chips for next to nothing and run them instead! Anyone heard anything good (or bad) about running these in a Tyan Tiger 100 board?

HAVE SOME RESPECT! (0)

jafac (1449) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900674)

Cyrix isn't yet three days in the grave, and you're all drooling over intel CPUs. You oughta be ashamed of yourselves!

Me too (1)

tzanger (1575) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900675)

I too am interested in these 486 converters... anyone who has info please email me... just trash the spam blows part. :-)

Re:PII vs. CeleronR????? (1)

Enahs (1606) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900676)

Don'cha just *hate* it when the Communicator 4.x gremlins attack? ;^)

Re:Mine overheated and died within a month (1)

Enahs (1606) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900677)

Yeah, talk about heat...

I got a cheap knockoff computer as a dormroom computer, had a cyrix on it...around Christmas, the damn thing caught fire. Fire originated around the CPU. Nice fuckin' deal.

Mahvelous (1)

red_dragon (1761) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900678)

Damn, what can't be done with a Celeron that wasn't intended? You can overclock them like mad, you can put them in an SMP config, you can make them as fast or FASTER than a PII. Can you make warpcores and teleporters with them too? :op

Now, I wonder if there's an adapter for the older card-mounted Celeries. That would definitely help.

They work great. (1)

yack0 (2832) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900682)

a bunch of us got new machiens this spring. One of us got dual celeron 300A PPGA and these adapter boards. He's got a $200 (for CPU's) dual PII450 now. Works like a charm.

He's using a Tyan motherboard.

Where can I buy them.. (1)

tjansen (2845) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900683)

Cool, but where can I buy them (in Germany)?

Re:But be careful. (2)

Admiral Mouse (3430) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900684)

Make sure you get the V1.1 MS-6905, that is the one that has jumpers for SMP. Census PC [censuspc.com] has them now, and I'm sure others will soon.

--

Re:Retail Vs. OEM (1)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900685)

Don't forget Celerons which failed when overclocked.

Re:Slashdot saves the day (and my wallet) (2)

Akira1 (5566) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900687)

I got a friend that has been running dual celerons on the Tyan Tiger 100 boards with zero problems. I was actually going to build a system utilizing this mobo also. He is hitting 450 no problem, but having some trouble hitting 504mhz. Each processor boots individually at 504, but in SMP they don't do it for long, (i.e. lsting about 5 mins before locking).
The liquid cooling system he is building should help though.
Anyways, good luck on yer box, that motherboard should make a fine choice.

Re:HAVE SOME RESPECT! (1)

wynlyndd (5732) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900688)

Actually, I never had any respect for Cyrix. Every machine I used with Cyrix chips seemed grossly underpowered for my needs. While some people would argue that there are many users that don't need the full blown power of a PII(I) and I agree with them, I'd rather steer these users to AMD and Celeries...

$19 each (2)

heretic (5829) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900690)

I found a price of $19 for this part at: http://www.spartantech.com/ [spartantech.com] . I have bought stuff from them before, but I am in no way affiliated, blah, blah, blah...

But be careful. (1)

Booker (6173) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900691)

A lot of the comments are "wow I gotta get me one!" but not all of the slot 1 convertors do the magic SMP thing - many (most?) of them still need some rework to get SMP going. Search for "dual celeron trick" to find the japanese page that did this first, they have a list of adapters, and how well they work.

Looks like the way to go (3)

Booker (6173) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900692)

This looks like a really nice way to go. I tried the drill/solder trick, and finally got it going, but it was really flaky, and kept crashing my box. Which was bad. It's really hard to solder the wires onto the fingers on the edge of the card, and then cram it into the slot without disconnecting and/or shorting the wire. I gave up for a while, then tried some resoldering, and fried one of the celerons. :-( Oh well, I knew what I was getting into, it was only about $60.

This looks fool-proof, and the PPGA celerons are cheaper these days anyway. Guess I'll have to go blow another $160 or so. :-)

Re:Of course, dual 550s =) (1)

Raxxon (6291) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900693)

One word man........ Renegade. :)

Go to kryotech.com..... spend about $500 after S/H for the renegade case..... It will be worth it (however this case is designed for only one CPU, but I've been told that in most problems with dual CPU overheat, one CPU getting really effective cooling can make the difference)


Hack me, Crack me, Make me bleed
a faster box would be all I need

Re:My New System (1)

Big Blue (7905) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900694)

err, isn't Quake3Arena multi-threaded?

Here's the jap link... (2)

Big Blue (7905) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900696)

http://kikumaru.w-w.ne.jp/pc/celeron/index_e.html

Re:Recommendations (1)

Milosch (8290) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900697)

I know I should have gone with one of the
'recommended' boards, but I opted for a
locally-available Gigabyte GA-6BXD. This
cost around $150 iirc, and works great. Like
many, I run two Cel 300's o'ced to 450.
But I have one slot and one socket cel using
an earlier version of the MSI adapter. I had
to mod the slot cel and the adapter to overclock
and run dual. I also had to up the voltage to
2.2V. This adapter should make the dual celeron
a much simpler project ;)

Re:Of course, dual 550s =) (1)

Rabid Wombat (9276) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900699)

Getting 550 out of a 366 is certainly the holy grail of OCing for the last few months.

It's only occured in rare, or extreme, instances. The Medichino ( sp, damn those silly rivers Intel uses for names) core can't really get much past 520~530 Mhz reliably. We'll need a die shrink, FSB increase to drop the multiplier, and 133-rated RAM before we start to see miracles like the 450A happen again.

your best bet is to hang out at 5.5x83. Should be quite nice, just make sure your video card can handle it. You machine stil lays the smack down at at cool dual 457 ;)

Re:These are great! -- My system: (1)

Xar (11113) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900702)

Forgot to mention the fact that my Celerons are
the OEM version (not boxed, and without fan.) Any
claims that the retail versions are of higher
quality may or may not be true, but I've had no
problems with my OEMs (and, I got to pick my own
heatsink, resulting in better cooling.)

Most of the discussion I've read leads me to
believe the quality of the OEM and Retail Celerons
are the same, with respect to overclocking. YMMV.

These are great! -- My system: (2)

Xar (11113) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900703)

I recently put together a new machine to use as my Linux development box at home. Here are the components I got:

Asus P2B-D (BIOS rev. 1008)
Celeron 300A (SL36A) (x2)
MSI MS-6905 1.0 Slotket (x2)
(modified by ComputerNerd for SMP and 2.2v)
PC Power & Cooling CPU Cool Z1-C CPU Cooler (x2)
(These are the perfect size for mounting on the
slotket, and are 1" high, which leaves just
enough space between the CPUs on the Asus
board.)
IBM DTTA-101440 14gig Ultra/ATA HDD
Asus 50x CD-ROM
Matrox Millenium G200 8MB SGRAM
Intel EtherExpress 10/100+
384MB CAS-2 PC100 Micron SDRAM (128x3)
PC Power & Cooling Personal Tower Case
PC Power & Cooling TurboCool 300 ATX Power Supply
Happy Hacker Keyboard :)

We put it all together, turned it on (at 66mhz
FSB, 300mhz CPUs) and installed Debian GNU/Linux.
Shut it down, jumpered the motherboard to 100mhz
FSB, 450mhz CPUs, turned it back on and it has
(knock on wood) ran flawlessly for the last week
or two (with lots of compiling, Quake 3 Arena,
and so on, so it's definitely been getting beat
on.)

Overall, I paid about $1500-1600 for the system
(sans monitor), and can say I am _extremely_
happy with its performance. 900mhz of SMP love,
running Linux no less. :)

(I can serve web pages AND play Quake 3 Arena at
the same time, without losing a frame! Imagine
that!)

Xar

Re:What to do, 300a or 333? (2)

Xar (11113) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900704)

The 300A is, by far, the most overclockable
Celeron in existance. Their production has,
however, been discontinued, as I understand it.
If you can still get your hands on 300As for a
reasonable price, you can't go wrong.

I have read many reports of people trying to OC
the 333, and while some have had success, it's
always been at unorthodox FSB speeds (like 83mhz),
which can cause disk corruption and so forth.
Running at a "supported" FSB, 66mhz or 100mhz,
is recommended, and the 300A does this quite
well.

Re:What to do? (1)

Christopher Thomas (11717) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900706)

I bought a two processor mainboard and I've got one PII-400 in it. The PII-400 is now cheap enough that I COULD get a second one, but for the same money I could get two Celerons and have a PII-400 left over.


Unless you have an immediate use for the leftover PII-400, I'd suggest getting the second PII-400 instead of celerons, as you'll have more cache. Just my opinion.

Quad celeries or lack thereof. (3)

Christopher Thomas (11717) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900708)

But on this deal, why not 2 to a board, making a 4-way system? Can that be possible?


Based other messages I've read here, I doubt that would work. The Celeron is essentially a PII, and that can only support dual processors due to a deliberate limitation imposed by Intel. For quad processors or better, you'd need Xeons.

Old News (2)

hakker (11892) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900709)

These have been around for a while. A good place for information on this kind of stuff is www.computernerd.com

- Jon

What to do? (1)

Caballero (11938) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900710)

I bought a two processor mainboard and I've got one PII-400 in it. The PII-400 is now cheap enough that I COULD get a second one, but for the same money I could get two Celerons and have a PII-400 left over. I can't decide what to do to get top performance and not waste money.

- |Daryll

woohoo! Gonna get me a dual, finally. (1)

Lx (12170) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900711)

I had been thinking for a long time that i wanted to get dual P2 333's, but I can actually afford celerons...I just thought it would be fun to have a Pentium 2 666 :)

-lx

Dual Celeron Help (1)

dirty (13560) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900713)

I'm curious if anyone who has actually built a dual celeron system (w/o having to do any soldering) can help me figure out where I can obtain the cpus, mb, and the converters and about how much money this will cost (don't worry about case / ram / whatever else, I can figure that out on my own).

Re:What to do? (1)

zealot (14660) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900714)

I don't know. I personally would go for the celerons, but I don't do anything cache intensive. Since you seem to do a lot of imaging stuff, you just might want that extra cache. On the otherhand, if you're gonna run the celerons at faster than 400MHz, the upped clock speed might offset the lack of cache.

Check out these [anandtech.com] benchmarks at Anandtech (under NT) for a general idea. Hope that helps.
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Re:Recommendations (1)

zealot (14660) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900715)

I'm using a Supermicro P6DBE. Works great, on pricewatch for about $170 (this is a dual processor board).

Re:Careful with your voltage guys (1)

zealot (14660) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900716)

Going from 2.0 to voltage besides 2.2 requires a lot more work. However, at 2.2V my procs run at 40 degrees C while running RC5. All I have on there a a nice fat super7 fan/heatsink... nothing special. That's not very hot at all... in fact, I think my old K6 233 ran hotter.

Great (3)

zealot (14660) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900718)

I've been running dual ppga celeron 300a's overclocked to 450 for a couple of months now, and it works just great. Oldmanrant:But back in my day we had to solder to pins on the adapter to be able to dual them, and then cut 3 traces on the pcb with an exacto knife to increase the voltage from 2.0 to 2.2 volts (they wouldn't run stably at 450 at 2.0 volts). You youngins have it so easy.

Seriously, the best part about the card is probably the ability to change the voltage, so newer celerons can easily be overclocked too.
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Re:PII vs. CeleronR????? (1)

BogoNick (17940) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900719)

Your comment is probably true towards certain games and applications that spend most of the times utilize small pages of main memory. PII will likely a Celery when you begin to use serious applications such as Photoshop.

Re:A lil' off the subject, but not by much.. (1)

kennedy (18142) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900720)

Whoa! i'm not crazy! i also remember those... if anyone knows where to still get those i'd really like to pick up a half dozen or so.

What to do, 300a or 333? (1)

mplex (19482) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900721)

I have a dual 350 with a tyan motherboard. Is the cel333 stable at 500 or only in a few certain cases. Should I go with the 300a oc'd to 450 or the 333. Success stories or failures?

New RC5 Boxen Pricing (1)

the_tsi (19767) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900722)

Wow, this completely set my RC5 processing farm calculations on their side. For about $20 (see pricewatch) you can get on one of these things and essentially turn a PPGA celeron into a Pentium II.

Best price/performer?

Dual Cel366 @ $466, gets ~695 blocks (2^28 keys) per day
That's $0.66 per block on the first day!

Most Pentium II's average around $0.90 per block on the first day, with 450s being well over a dollar.

-Chris

[Price based on: SuperMicro P6DBE motherboard, 32MB PC100 ram, case, nic, floppy, trident video, cpus, and cpu card. Boot off a floppy disk to the network, mount a linux partition and start grinding. No network? Make a dos boot disk and put the client on it. Every once in a while, take the disk out, flush its blocks, and put the disk back in.]

A lil' off the subject, but not by much.. (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900723)

Any one remember a connector that allowed 2 486's to be-installed on to a single cpu board? I remember see a couple of these all over then they disapeer shortly becuase of the pentuim.

But on this deal, why not 2 to a board, making a 4-way system? Can that be possible?
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.

lack thereof. (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900724)

Eh, I was just wondering.. Not like I would buy an intel chip.. I guess I have been dissatisfied w/ intel since amd put out the 5x86 133 (boy that system screemed back then).. But does any one know how well the SMP will be on K7?
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.

Terminology... (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900725)

That's why they call it 'Supply and Demand'.. Wow I remembered something from economic class..haha
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Re:A lil' off the subject, but not by much.. (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900726)

Yeah.. I have a couple of never touched 486dx chips..hehehe. I always wondered if you could stack those board to get more than 2 cpus.. =P
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.

Drool? (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900727)

Don't see me drooling over Intel.. Maybe 'marking my territory' on Intel... =>
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.

First class? (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900728)

Screw that.. I'm the piloit.
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.

Cyrix = Space Heater. (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900729)

I had a 166+.. My could of cooked a stake in 5 minutes.. And plus, you would think 166+ sounds kick ass.. But it was only 133 and could not over clock it.. Now I have a WinChip 240 that replace, it's ok.. But I can't wait till July.. I will have enough money to build a nice system..
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.

Re:quad pII (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900730)

Nope.. PII can only go 2 way..
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.

Not going to happen. (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900731)

I don't know of any mother board that has even 2 AGP slots, so a board with 4 isn't avail...I dont' think there will be for a while
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.

Re:First class? (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900732)

Not yet!
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.

Re:First class? (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900733)

Because there are none.. It's like a big bird, but the passengers have to flap the wings.. You know like those Viking ships where the slaves had to row the boat..hehe
"Windows 98 Second Edition works and players better than ever." -Microsoft's Home page on Win98SE.

Re:HAVE SOME RESPECT! (1)

Traxxas (20074) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900743)

Damn right underpowered! My old 6x86 90+ couldn't play mp3s at full bitrate. It's now my keychain.

Re:What to do, 300a or 333? (1)

Traxxas (20074) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900744)

I got the 333 o/ced to 416 @ 83mhz now and it's solid as a rock. The thing doesn't even get warm. My old ass 66mhz sdram is the only thing holding me back from 450 @ 100mhz.

Quad (and higher) Celerons (1)

LordBhaal (20726) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900745)

You could do it, but you'd have to do intermediate bus-request arbitration on the riser board.

The PII chipset (Celeron included) allows 2 CPU's due to 2 bus-request arbitration pins.

Now, you have a riser board, with 2 CPU's on it. The riser board handles bus-arbitration between it's 2 CPU's itself, remembers who won, and then passes the arbitration request onto the motherboard. If the motherboard allocates the riser card the bus, the riser card send the signal to the winning CPU.

So the CPU's arbitrate for the riser's bus, and the risers arbitrate for the motherboard's bus.

It'll be a little slower (extra step involved in getting the bus) and bus contention will be higher (4 devices now on the GTL+(?) bus) but it should be able to be done.

Any budding hardware techies out there willing to give it a try?

This idea is CopyRight(C) Mark James 1999.
People are free to copy and use this idea for their own purposes. If you actually get it to work, I want one. Or is that what the GPL is for?

Re:Great (1)

Jonathan_S (25407) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900747)


Young upstarts, back in the real old days you had to drill holes into your celerons and if you missed you killed the whole chip not just a cheap rise board; why I modified 6 secc celerons and killed nary a one. These newfangled things are just to easy


:) maybe I'll have to build a new box...

Um...so does powerleap (3)

Eric@MTU (26711) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900748)

Those have been available since the beginning of April...Powerleap has one too (http://www.powerleap.com) that allows manipulation of core voltage, and has built in protection for overheating.

Careful with your voltage guys (1)

zptdooda (28851) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900751)

For those of you attempting this for the first time, if your overclocked Celeron doesn't run stably at 2.0V a standard technique is to increase the voltage by .05V at a time.

But if your system hasn't stabilized by 2.2V you run a risk of smelling blue smoke. Not all Celerons can make it to the higher speeds for long.

Higher voltage causes more heat. You may need a cooling technique (open case, CPU fan, ..). Cooling can help stabilize your board too.

it's obvious that you know the ropes (2)

zptdooda (28851) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900752)

yours is cool and stable maxed at 2.2V - no problemo and you know it.

I'm more concerned with people who may want to give this a try for the first time without knowing some rough boundaries.

What scared me initially was that the link showed that a person could up the voltage to 2.6V! They had a warning that they don't guarantee that components would work properly
when manually set, but they didn't mention that higher voltages could damage the CPU.

Re:These are great! -- My system: (1)

c600g (30798) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900753)

Well, I just put together a single celeron 300a
system (OEM) using the Abit ZM-6 m/b, and it
seems to run quite well so far o/c'ed to 450.

We're getting ready to set up some linux servers
here at work, and I'm drooling over the idea of
a dual Celeron 466 system o/c'ed to 525 Mhz.
Yowza.

Re:quad pII (1)

flimber (34051) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900755)

Most people just regurgitate the same old crap. See the post above about 'arbitration' etc. Fact is, some Japanese techie nutter will prob be running quad ppga's per Slot 1 inside six months and sticking eight on a dual board for fun. There's no technical reason why it can't be done with circuitry on the slocket as an interface between the cpu and board chipset. Think about it. Everything you thought you knew is questionable after all.

Re:HAVE SOME RESPECT! (2)

bored (40072) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900760)

Actually, I have a lot of respect for the 6x86 series from cyrix. The problem with the thing is that cyrix insists on that silly PR rating because they cant get the clock rates up (I don't think fabbing them with 486 type technology helps much, but the alpha is fabbed with 486 tech too... he he he) When you compare the cyrix clock to clock with the offerings from intel and AMD the cyrix looks pretty good. Admittedly the math isn't up to intel spec's (which is almost always an unfair comparison because of pentium math pipeline optimizations) but it pretty much matches the AMD at same clocks again. If cyrix could get these things up to 500mhz tomorrow then you would see cyrix giving intel a run for their money again (lest you forget the reason the celery is around in the first place, it was because cyrix was selling a 133mhz cpu at intel's 133mhz price point but calling it a 166 because it got a little better than pentium 166 performance in the benchmark of the day (which was winbench)). Of course cyrix would probably insist on calling it a PR600 which would piss a bunch of quake heads off because they bought a cheap CPU only to discover it didn't do as well in their favorite game as the similarly priced Intel. On the other hand the tiny minority of people who use win '95 for development, surfing the web, or writing papers for school (and later turn it into a linux box) but don't play quake would think it a great cpu because they paid for a 133mhz cpu that gets a lot more performance than anyone else's 133mhz cpu.

BTW has anyone noticed that a PIII-450 on pricewatch is cheaper than a PII-450 or a K6III-450?


Re:quad pII (1)

DudemanX (44606) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900763)

No, this is part of the reason why Intel created the Xeon chip for large servers because it can support more than 2 chips per system, unlike the PII(or the Celeron I'd bet too).

Dudeman

Re:What to do? (1)

Inhume (45152) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900764)

Yeah, and furthermore, the Celeron A cache is on die, meaning it runs at full core speed, whereas the Pentium II cache only runs at half-speed. This is what usually offsets.

I've had Celeries (2 Slot 1 300As, 1 PPGA 300A) clocked at 450/464 running at home and here at work (one has been chugging along since August), and there is absolutely no difference between them and a real PII 450, at least on nothing I've tried (I run a bunch of junk: standard office stuff, audio and photo editing, various server-side stuff, 3D games, you name it).

Re:Recommendations (1)

Inhume (45152) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900765)

Depends.... are you looking for a single or dual slot mobo? If single, go with the ABIT BX6 Series 2 (the slightly older ABIT BH6 is fine, too, if you're looking to save a few bucks). If dual, get an ASUS P2B-D2. Both are totally stable, very well supported, and equally well made. Moreover, they're cheap, especially for what you're getting.

As always, check www.pricewatch.com for the best deals.

I'm sure others will disagree, but I have worked with several dozen brands of boards over the last couple of years, and the only mobo manufacturers I'd really feel comfortable recommending to anyone would be Abit, Asus, and Chaintech. Abit is my personal favorite, due to a variety of factors (5 PCI slots, frequent BIOS updates, etc.), but the coolest thing about their boards is that you can manually set the clock multiplier, bus speed, and, the most overlooked element of good overclocking: CORE VOLTAGE SETTINGS, in the BIOS setup, meaning you don't have to futz with jumpers. It rocks.

Hope this helps.

Re:First class? (1)

Inhume (45152) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900766)

Is the propeller called?

Cyrix's FPU is weaker than Montgomery Burns (1)

Inhume (45152) | more than 15 years ago | (#1900767)

I hate to sound like an AOLer, but I agree completely. Cyrix is shite. I once had a TI-branded 486 DLC-40 designed by Cyrix, and that wasn't too bad I guess, for the times, but their P5-P6 class is a farce. I suppose Cyrix is fine if all you do is Word and Netscape, but it just doesn't hack it for any serious users.

It's like this: comparing Intel's and Cyrix's FPUs is like comparing McBain to Mr. Burns.
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