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More Details (5, Informative)

OctaneZ (73357) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974656)

The site [nanocrew.net] is hammered, the Coral Cache [nyud.net] is working fine though.

Links for the lazy:
Source Code: pymusique-0.3.tar.gz [nyud.net]
Debian Package: pymusique_0.3-1_i386.deb [nyud.net]
Windows: pymusique-setup.exe [nyud.net]

Re:More Details (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974686)

The site is hammered, the Coral Cache is working fine though. Links for the lazy:

Whore.

Re:More Details (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974736)

Whore.

Troll.

Re:More Details (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974756)

Troll.

Offtopic. (funny game!)

Re:More Details (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974813)

Offtopic.

MetaMod: On Topic.
(pwn3d you too!)

Re:More Details (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974778)

Troll.

Sucker!
(pwn3d!!!!!!!!!)

Wouldn't it be ironic (5, Insightful)

bLanark (123342) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974663)

Wouldn't it be ironic if iTunes downloads increased after this? I'm now tempted to join and buy music through them, because now[1] I can do what I want with it once I've bought it.

[1] Until iTunes closes this loophole

Re:Wouldn't it be ironic (4, Informative)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974672)

I'm now tempted to join and buy music through them, because now[1] I can do what I want with it once I've bought it

You could do what you wanted before, with Hymn.

Re:Wouldn't it be ironic (1)

bLanark (123342) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974738)

You could do what you wanted before, with Hymn.

I never knew about that, either. I guess I just don't read enough online news. . .

I've just checked out Hymn, it really does *just* remove the DRM, not decode/play/capture/re-encode. Cool.

Re:Wouldn't it be ironic (1)

ahecht (567934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974715)

Well, they would increase if anyone could actually download the program. The one from the Coral cache seems to be corrupted.

It's a freedom you wouldn't notice much (1, Interesting)

ianscot (591483) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974819)

Frankly I'm all for freedom and justice and the American Way (copyright whichever corporate entity got to them first) -- but having had the iTMS around for a while, and having bought a modest amount of music, I'm stumped at the objection that the DRM is odious and will prevent you from "doing what you want with it once you've bought it."

Apple's DRM is so danged innocuous that I haven't run into it, ever -- aside from the inability to attach a song to an e-mail and send it off to my sisters. There's not one thing I've ever actually tried to do with the files that's been blocked by the DRM. A minor interface quirk -- the way it uses checkboxes in more than one way depending on context -- caused me a minor headache once, and that's the only problem I've really had with iTunes or its store. (Oh, that and the fact that not that many books get made into CDs, at least for my running tastes.)

You have a burning (pun intended) need to produce more than 10 copies of the same exact playlist as a CD? That must be it. Yeah.

Napster is far better, and free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974830)

Umm, why not sign up for the napster free trial.

download to your hearts content.

convert the protected WMA to mp3.

I did it and got about 9gigs of music on a saturday and sunday. It was all converted by Monday.

I mean, screw the RIAA right.

PS I openly admit to being a thief.

Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974850)

But you can get software to strip off DRM and that is more useful because yyou just get music from where ever and then just strip the DRM genius

3..2..1 (2, Interesting)

MrLint (519792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974668)

thats how long this will work for until apple fixes it.

Re:3..2..1 (4, Insightful)

FF3451 (836548) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974713)

What will be more interesting is HOW they fix it. If they are passing the files down "clean" at the moment and then the iTunes client applies DRM to the tracks...

Can you imagine the huge amount of processing that would be required to apply DRM server-side instead, which I should imagine is the only way to prevent the use of this method?

Re:3..2..1 (5, Interesting)

ray-auch (454705) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974848)

It is fascinating that it seems they are only doing it client-side after the transaction - if so it is clearly a massive design flaw (and I'm suprised it took so long to find).

There are ways they could reduce the server load and make it a bit more secure though - eg. blanket encrypt/drm everything on the server and have the client rip that off and apply the personalised drm. Then you'd have to go fishing around in the client for keys etc.

They could also add some form of security handshake to the client & the protocol to identify it as a valid apple client.

By far the biggest problem they have is how to fix this without breaking their massive installed client-base. That is where I think things get interesting.

DVDjon is my hero (5, Funny)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974669)

This guy never stops, does he? Long may you run, DVDjon. I salute you.

Re:DVDjon is my hero (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974805)


DVDjon is just a pseudonym for some poor illegal hacks that are made by some other ppl who wish to remain anonymous.

In fact PyMusique was written by Travis Watkins and Cody Brocious.

I have an idea... (5, Funny)

MadBiologist (657155) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974679)

Enough with the iTunes... can't this guy hack Napster or Windows Media encryption?

Re:I have an idea... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974797)

Nah those services are safe from hackers. What's it called? Security through obscurity?

Re:I have an idea... (1)

varmittang (849469) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974861)

Probably because that would be stealing. Where as you have to buy the song on iTunes, then this strips out the DRM during download. Napster on the other hand, you can get as much as you want for $14 or the 14 day trial with a Windows Media DRM stripper. So he is kind of on the right side of the fence with this tool.

Why is this news or stuff that matters? (-1, Flamebait)

bwalling (195998) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974681)

This is illegal. It isn't cool or important. RIAA music isn't free, and it isn't anyone's right or obligation to make it free. There is plenty of free music out there if you want it. Google for the South by SouthWest music festival. They put out a couple of gigs worth of free music in a torrent file. It's right up Slashdot's alley.

It is cool, however (5, Interesting)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974705)

"This is illegal. It isn't cool or important. RIAA music isn't free, and it isn't anyone's right or obligation to make it free"

Did you read the article? Or even its title? This is about BUYING drm files from iTMS, not downloading them for free. It is quite cool, as the DRM makes it a big hassle for purchasers to listen to the music on their own equipment.

RIAA music isn't free

How is this relevant? It is not free if you are buying it by the cassette, the CD, or by iTMS with AND without this DRM-remover.

Re:It is cool, however (1, Insightful)

Mac Degger (576336) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974757)

Have you heard of the DMCA? I wouldn't be surprised if John got hauled in on account of this. Now I'm not saying he should be, just that I wouldn't be surprised.

Re:It is cool, however (1)

geniusj (140174) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974772)

He doesn't live in the US, so while there may be another law in his country that he is breaking, it sure isn't the DMCA.

Re:It is cool, however (2, Insightful)

dominator (61418) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974775)

The DMCA doesn't apply to Europe. Should he travel to the USA, he might end up like Dmitri from Elcomsoft, but right now, he's likely safe.

I would be surprised (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974782)

Especially considering he doesn't live in a country that is governed by US law.

Re:It is cool, however (4, Interesting)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974832)

I wonder... if the DRM is applied to the file AFTER you have downloaded it, and you simply bypass the process that adds the DRM but after you have legally purchased and downloaded the DRM-free file, would this really violate the DMCA? After all, you aren't defeating copy protection, you're simply not adding it to a clean file that you've already legally downloaded.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (4, Insightful)

Phil246 (803464) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974711)

Correct me if im wrong, but you`re only able to download the songs after youve paid for them yes?
at which point the drm is added to stop you doing other things with it.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (1)

abesottedphoenix (468980) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974717)

It's not about making the music free. It's making sure that users have fair use of something they bought. You still have to buy the songs. Did you read the article? Methinks not.

Bwaling's Law (5, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974769)

Bwaling's Law: Any time there is an article about DRM or downloading music, as soon as someone mentions the word "free", someone will whine about everyone stealing music for free. Even if the word "free" is in an unrelated context (as in: "The songs are free from DRM restrictions" or "I downloaded the Free Willy soundtrack".

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (3, Insightful)

Alchemar (720449) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974725)

DRM-FREE!!! Music NOT!!!! FREE !!! DRM-Music It is my understanding that the DMCA prevents cracking protected material, this is preventing material from being protected before it happes.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (1)

paran0rmal (799476) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974726)

Well it's not free, is it - you still have to pay to download the music. Once you've payed for it though, you can do with it what you want.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (0)

smcdow (114828) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974762)

Once you've payed for it though, you can do with it what you want.

It bears pointing out that this is the essence of purchase: you pay for something, then you own it, which implies that you can do with it what you want.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (1)

kc8apf (89233) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974860)

Right, which is exactly why the music companies are selling you a license. You can do whatever you want with the license, but the music is still restricted by the license.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974731)

Allowing you to put music that you've purchased into the format of your place and play it on the device of your choice is illegal?

You're either an idiot or an employee of Apple or a mole for the RIAA.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (4, Insightful)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974734)

It's only illegal because the DMCA is a retarded piece of legislation. You're still BUYING the music, it just isn't encumbered after you buy it. This is basically what people want, the freedom to do as they wish with their music (which DOESN'T necessarily include giving it away over P2P).

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974741)

> This is illegal. It isn't cool or important. RIAA music isn't free,
> and it isn't anyone's right or obligation to make it free.

It's not making it free. It is making it so that I can do what I want with the music I bought with my own money.

I buy iTunes music, I can morally do whatever I like with it. it's mine. I own it. I can burn it to CD, listen to it on as many computers as I like, give it to my neighbour, my irc buddies, the world.

Apple has no moral right to stop me doing so, and DRM is an attempt for them to assert what is not theirs.

This simple allows me to do what I should be able to do with MY music.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (2, Insightful)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974748)

small distinction: this is still paying for the music, so it is not stealing... it is breaking a user agreement, so it is still "illegal" but not as bad... maybe.

Grey area = nerds think they can do whatever they want.

TROLL ALERT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974751)

You're a friggin moron, and you got modded as insightful for that TROLL.

1. Not illegal
2. Cool
3. Important
4. you have to pay to get it
5. It allows you to CONTROL MUSIC THAT YOU HAVE BOUGHT, you friggin idiot!

TROLLlllllllllllllllll!!

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974761)

I don't think this made anything free, it just made it so that you can actually use what you bought the way _you_ want to not just the way someone else allows.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (1)

tclark (140640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974776)

But you still have to buy the tracks - he's just produced a tool to let you download the tracks you buy in a format you want.

It is cool, and it is important. It's another way of telling record companies that we don't want DRM'd music. It's a message to itunes that they failed to produce the product we want, so somebody went out and "fixed" it.

Another way to send a message, and a better way in my opinion, is to buy music recordings from artists who distribute open, DRM-free music. Let's reward the people who get it right the first time.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (1)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974788)

Why must trolls like you reply to EVERY thread on Slashdot anymore, questioning the news content?

This guy is using free speech (and in this case, free coding) to an express a valid opinion that while iTMS is a good start, the content shouldn't be encrypted. He's not forcing it down your throat and neither is anyone here. Pirates will plunder any way they please. But to us who pay for the content, we'd like to get our money's worth.

I'd say it's hella news. This is a huge security hole that Apple left in their product. It's just like any security advisory that could have been posted, but instead he posted an example exploit.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (2, Insightful)

Limecron (206141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974828)

Did you read the blurb?

He's not getting the music free. It's preventing the DRM from being added to the file.

I think being anti-DRM is very Slashdot. Arbitrary software restrictions on things that prevent *potential* mis-use hinder everyones' rights. It hasn't worked well before (copy protection in the 80s) and it obviously doesn't work well now. More frustrating is the push for legislation to make it illegal to break DRM.

Though I am amused that Apple chose an inherently flawed method of having the client add the DRM, most likely in order to save server resources. Could adding the DRM on the server-side be that problematic?

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (3, Insightful)

1Oman (308666) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974829)

I started to mod you down but decided to reply instead.

This is not stealing, you are still paying for the music at a rate of about $15.00 US per album.

This is about doing what you want with something you legally purchased and now own.

The media industry is so concerned with losing control of their business that they are pissing people off and driving away business.

Its no different than when Disney fought against vcr's in the 70's now a substantial portion of their revenue comes from video.

Re:Why is this news or stuff that matters? (2, Insightful)

DinZy (513280) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974858)

Posting without reading for comprehension should be illegal, but sadly it isn't. Not so sadly is the fact that this bypassing of DRM is not illegal, at least to my knowledge. Can you show me the law that states that it is illegal to alter data that you paid for because I think I may have to stop using my PC.

I love ITS but ... (3, Informative)

SamSeaborn (724276) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974682)

I love ITS and the whole iTunes thing, but it does bug me that I can't easily make a CD of mp3 files that I can play in an mp3-compliant CD player (like in a car).

I'm using the songs legally, but to do what I want I have to burn the 99-cent songs to an audio-CD, then rip them back into iTunes as mp3s, *then* copy the mp3s to the CD.

Sam

Re:I love ITS but ... (1)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974754)

Because you bought an AAC file. It's akin to you buying a record and wondering why it doesn't work in your CD player without ripping and reburning it.

Re:I love ITS but ... (1)

SamSeaborn (724276) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974807)

Because you bought an AAC file. It's akin to you buying a record and wondering why it doesn't work in your CD player without ripping and reburning it.

Good point. But since they're both music in file format it would be nice if Apple would trust me enough to convert the ACCs to MP3 -- I'll keep dreaming I guess.

Meanwhile, another poster mentioned Hymn [hymn-project.org] which seems to convert ACCs to MP3s. That's just what I need!

Hmm ... does iTunes have an API that would enable me write a Hymn plug-in?

Sam

Re:I love ITS but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974759)

You can if you have a Mac.

Re:I love ITS but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974781)

That's not legal. You're bypassing copy-protection, which is a violation of a DMCA, and I believe a felony.

Re:I love ITS but ... (2)

CoffeeJedi (90936) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974792)

that's because Apple wants you to buy an iPod for your non-cd digital music, not your mp3cd player
(granted... i drank the kool-aid and am saving up for an iPod now, but still............)

I agree.. DRM is a pain. mp3 everywhere! (2, Interesting)

acomj (20611) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974799)

I agree with this post. Mp3 seems to be the only format supported everywhere. I've bought and won over 100 songs from itms.

My Tivo allows easy playing of all the songs in my itunes collection which is cool .EXCEPT the songs I've bought off of Itunes music store.

My car plays mp3 Cds. This is cool. Except it can't play the songs I bought from the Itunes music store.

Yes I know I can burn them too plain music CD. But in the car i tend to like to have one CD filled with songs and just leave it in there.

When the DRM starts tripping you up, it gets annoying.

Only Logical Conclusion (3, Insightful)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974689)

I'm afraid that the long history of people breaking DRM controls (especially by this person [slashdot.org]) can only lead to one logical conclusion...

Content owners must sue every single person in the world. The RIAA and Apple will likely start with engadget.com for writing a story about it then move on to Slashdot for linking to a story about it and then round it out with everyone that read either of the stories or clicked on any of the links.

I'm going to hire an attorney now.

you are in violation. Surrender your ears. (0)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974732)

"I'm afraid that the long history of people breaking DRM controls (especially by this person) can only lead to one logical conclusion"

Most individuals happen to be walking around with built-in DRM removers. They have TWO of them, in fact (double the fine paid!): one on each side of the skull.

Re:you are in violation. Surrender your ears. (0)

ray-auch (454705) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974874)

Yeah but the generation loss to the output (front middle of skull) is pretty bad, as listening to any karaoke will quickly establish.

Re:Only Logical Conclusion (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974810)

Damn, I modded this as troll by mistake...I meant to mod as funny...well it would be if we all didn't see it coming.

Sorry for the mistake, dude.

Hymn? (5, Informative)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974714)

I used Hymn [hymn-project.org] to remove DRM from some songs so I could move them to an older model Creative MP3 player. It seemed to work fine for me.

The way it should be. (1)

Dimentox (678813) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974723)

While I understand why Apple does the protection for the songs. If you buy a song you should be able to do with it as you please. I belive that apply only does the protection due to the threat of the recording industry on them. IMHO music should be free as in free beer. Being a Musician myself i give away all my music for free, i do make money at showes but not in my recorded music. But if you pay for a song you should be able to do what you wish with it. Hopefully apple will look and see that there is a real demand for this and change their ways. But a mostlikely situation is they will attempt to shutdown/patch the loopholes to protect their own backs. If the Author reads /. we appreciate your work well atleast I do.

Re:The way it should be. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974740)

If you buy a song you should be able to do with it as you please. Should I should be able to make a billion copies and sell them? Please. Think before you say.

Re:The way it should be. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974815)

Try to write MORE text when you troll because it's really too visible... I suggest you cut and paste some text already modded as +5 Insightful to get some mod points.

Re:The way it should be. (2, Insightful)

varmittang (849469) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974785)

I'm sure Apple couldn't give a crap if music has a DRM or not, but its the RIAA, the monkey on Apple's back, that doesn't want something like this to happen. Its the RIAA that wants control.

Re:The way it should be. (1)

StevenHenderson (806391) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974845)

Hopefully apple will look and see that there is a real demand for this and change their ways.

Sorry, but this is not Apple's choice, necessarily. Blame the record companies. They are the ones that want higher prices, more DRM, etc...

DRM broken anyway (1, Redundant)

EkkiEkkiShiwaddle (823778) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974728)

If you download songs from the ITMS, burn them on a CD and rip them back to MP3, they are no longer DRM'd - so what's the problem?

I can see that the software solution is a lot simpler, but this was possible a long time ago...

Re:DRM broken anyway (2, Insightful)

chrisgeleven (514645) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974755)

AAC is lossy just like MP3 is. Transcoding (which is basically what happens here) hurts the quality A LOT.

Sure they might sound fine on your $5 earbuds or speakers, but for those of us who have quality headphones/speakers the difference is really easy to pick out.

Re:DRM broken anyway (1)

brouski (827510) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974811)

I have $90 earbuds because I like bass, but I bet you I can't tell the difference.

Contrast with GPL violator story (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974752)

So, violating GPL by copying stuff without complying with the license is bad and wrong.

but

Buying songs from iTunes without complying with the ToS is big and clever because music must be free?

Advice (1)

varmittang (849469) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974765)

Advice to the programmer, Get A Lawyer.

Re:Advice (1)

Secrity (742221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974865)

He has already been to court for his DeCSS software -- and he won. What makes you think that he isn't already mindful of whatever legal issues there may be for him in this case?

Re:Advice (1)

gilroy (155262) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974871)

Blockquoth the poster:

Advice to the programmer, Get A Lawyer.

This is the guy who wrote DeCSS a few years back. My guess is, he already has his lawyer on speed dial...

How useful to people who choose to use iTunes? (4, Insightful)

mytec (686565) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974766)

I've been an iTMS user since its inception and I've yet to feel encumbered or feel a lack of freedom. I read the agreement and understand the restrictions. I agreed. Simply put to those who use this sort of software, why do you purchase from iTMS? You know, or should!!, the restrictions imposed.

I don't (4, Insightful)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974793)

"Simply put to those who use this sort of software, why do you purchase from iTMS? "

I don't purchase from iTMS. However, I would strongly consider it if it would let me listen the music I bought on my own equipment without file format conversion hassles.

Re:How useful to people who choose to use iTunes? (-1, Troll)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974814)

OK wait until your hard drive crashes or you upgrade your PC. Oh dear, you have to pay for all your music again. Hope you didn't spend a lot on it.

Gimme a library license, Apple! (2, Interesting)

abesottedphoenix (468980) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974816)

As a librarian, I'd love to see a special ToS for libraries. That way, I wouldn't have to steal or hack to get music to my patrons. I would be willing to pay a premium for the songs. It seems like I would be covered under the current ToS, but I would have to keep track of how many times things were burned, listened to, et cetera. I wish I could tell them how many patrons we had, and just work a deal.

the DRM is the thingamajig (2, Insightful)

macpell (726325) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974773)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the DRM also what tells the iTMS that you own the song? If you strip out the DRM before it even gets attached wouldn't you also be giving up your ability to re-download the song for free if you accidentally kill your library? While I'm not a fan of DRM, one of the only good things about it is that it acts as insurance if you lose your songs. This method of removing it also removes your insurance.

Re:the DRM is the thingamajig (1)

macpell (726325) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974806)

Just got the cached version.. they've taken care of that. My original post is wrong.

Re:the DRM is the thingamajig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974836)

You can't redownload the song for free anyway. If you wipe out your entire library and save nothing, you have to buy it all again.

Ooo Ooo Ooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974784)

Is that the excitement from Slashdotters at the prospect of legal DRM-free downloads that I hear? No, it's Apple's lawyers going absolutely ape.

Seriously? (5, Insightful)

oldmanmtn (33675) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974786)

How could Apple do something this stupid?

Whether you like it or not, DRM is the cornerstone of iTunes acceptance among the music industry. Without DRM, there is no way iTunes would even exist.

The first rule of security is that the client is untrustworthy. For Apple to put all of the security of their DRM scheme on the client side is astoundingly dumb. I expected much better of them.

Its computational cost (2, Insightful)

acomj (20611) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974833)

Can you immagine trying to encrypt 1 millions songs a day? Its going to take some serious hardware. Noone knew that itunes was going to fly so I'm betting they tried to make it cheaper by having the client encrypt the songs.

Apple seems to not care overly much about the DRM as long as most people are using it.

It's proobably illegal, but Apple's nuts... (1, Redundant)

argent (18001) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974791)

I haven't used the program, because using other software to access iTunes is against Apple's EULA. Same reason I don't use JHymn, and put up with the slight loss in quality from following the Apple-approved (or at least winked at) "mix, burn, rip" method of removing the DRM.

But...

Having iTunes encrypt the song after downloading is crazy. If that's what Apple's doing, that's like a bank teller handing you the cash drawer, asking you to remove the money you withdrew, and never counting the bills after you hand it back. I'm not inclined to "rip off the bank", so as to speak, but Apple really needs to do the encoding on the server instead of in the client.

Of course client-side security is the Achilles Heel of DRM anyway, but still...

No wonder I couldn't download it (1)

thephotoman (791574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974801)

I heard about this program last night from a friend. It appears that there is a Linux version (there are .debs for Ubuntu Hoary), but it doesn't work on my computer. I tried downloading the Windows version today before I got here.

And now I can blame a bunch of /. trolls for my troubles with downloading it today. Thanks a lot, guys. I mean really, you've made my life so much more fun.

However, I do like the idea of ITMS access without the DRM. I'm currently forced into Winblows to un-DRM my massive ammounts of iTunes music. So, I've got an 80 min CD-RW, iTunes, and an entire day to work on it, in between translating some sentences from English into Latin. At least I've got the portable hard drive to put these files on before I burn them off to MP3 CDs--that way I have a near-universally playable hard copy of the iTunes music I've bought.

Only cool til the prices go up (1)

DavidLeblond (267211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974821)

Either Apple will put an end to this (very likely) or the RIAA will get pissed and make Apple increase download prices (because, of course, that is what the RIAA is there for. To raise the prices of crap whenever they feel like it)

if you don't like the license agreement (5, Insightful)

xxavierg (538582) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974844)

do not by the music. that's why i buy CDs and not download music because i do not like being limited by the DRM.

by the way, let say i do not like the GPL license. should i:
1. not use GPL software
or
2. use, and violate it because i do not like it.

a lot people find the GPL license "viral" and disagree with it. but we still expect people to respect it and follow it.

Unlike Hymn... (4, Insightful)

ThePyro (645161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11974849)

Eventually, Apple will probably be able to identify the accounts of everyone who uses this software. If you actually use the iTunes music store on a regular basis, is it really worth risking your account - and possible legal action - just to get a few DRM-free songs?

asshole (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974855)

dont you think there are more important things to hack than stealing music from apple?

they already let you burn the songs you want to a CD, that removes the DRM anyways.

why dont you unlock the DRM on educational
videos?

How funny it is (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974868)

Two nearly back-to-back stories, one about going after bad people who violate one license, another about software that violates another license (the iTMS EULA does not allow accessing the store with software other than iTunes) - we're probably not going to hear much about how violating this license is bad though, are we?

The link is wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11974872)

I tried to RTFA, but the first link was written in German, so I learnt very little about subject.

Could someone translate what DVDjon has to do with Asterix?!?
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