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fp! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979133)

Fst pst frm a cl fne.

STOP THE PRESS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979266)

Jesus was a sand ni*** and a kike.

Yep (4, Funny)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979137)

And for an extra $10/mo, you can use the browser without ads.

Re:Yep (0)

zonker (1158) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979219)

even if that were true it would still be worth it compared to the quality of most of mobile browsers (or even many computer browsers)...

Re:Yep (4, Interesting)

UWC (664779) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979250)

The mobile version of Opera has a 14-day trial period (ad-free) and then won't work without registration (or probably some other workaround; I have yet to investigate).

I installed it on my Nokia 3660 a while back and let the trial run out before I got around to trying to use it.

Is the nature of this announcement merely that Opera will officially offer versions that support an increasing number of Nokia phone models? Should I assume users will still have to pay for Opera?

Re:Yep (1)

netsharc (195805) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979443)

I thought this announcement means Nokia is going to bundle the full version of the Opera browser in their phones, at the same time paying Opera to use the technology. I know one case where the phone comes bundled with the browser, with both Nokia and Opera advertising it proudly.

I only realized today that they're both Finnish companies, so no wonder they're keen to cooperate. Of course the browser itself is IMO reason enough for Nokia to want them, it has tons of features and it's very lightweight, even their desktop version of the browser.

Finns are just so cool!

Re:Yep (1)

UWC (664779) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979593)

Interesting. I guess my hope now is that with the extension comes free retroactive downloads for phones that gain the support. I suppose I should add to that the hope that the 3660 is among the phones that gain such support.

Re:Yep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979645)

I only realized today that they're both Finnish companies, so no wonder they're keen to cooperate.

Is now a bad time to mention that Opera is Norwegian?

Re:Yep (1)

Rits (453723) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979862)

Small nit: Opera is Norwegian, not Finnish. Both Fins and Norwegians often know Swedish, maybe that helps in negotiations...

Re:Yep (2, Informative)

DaAdder (124139) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979933)

Actually Opera Software AS is a Norwegian company, Nokia however is Finnish as you say.

Re:Yep (3, Informative)

Rits (453723) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979603)

Opera comes pre-installed or on a complimentary CD on some phones, including some Nokia models. And that is what this deal is about. You don't need a deal with Nokia for offering a third-party shareware program...

See here for the list of current phones [opera.com] where you can either install Opera, or where it is pre-installed.

Re:Yep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980244)

iirc c:\system\data\ousr600.dat

delete that file with fexplorer or whatever is your file manager of choice.

Re:Yep (1)

rmart (834426) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980841)

There is a workaround - it involves removing a file and creating a directory with the same name. A little googling will help you...

Re:Yep (1)

pasokon (829164) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981228)

I don't think you'll still have to pay, I think this means you'll get the Opera browser for free for your S60 Nokia phone. Like how I can get the full version of Opera for free for my P900 due to some licensing agreement or something with Sony Ericsson.

There is no ad-version (2, Informative)

geo.georgi (809888) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979261)

There are no ads on the mobile version of the browser.
Only a trial version and it costs 20$ if you want to buy it.

Re:Yep (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979425)

this story is quite a conincidence since just 10 mins earlier I downloaded the new version for my UIQ P900. it seems to be free. if not, I'll go back to the slightly older version that came with my phone, though the new freetype fonts are gorgeous.

Re:Yep (2, Interesting)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979610)

Actually, Nokia has some pretty kickass proxying solutions that rewrite all web content to fit perfectly on a mobile screen. Good stuff.

Re:Yep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981137)

Pretty sure the rewriting is being done by Opera. They've got some sort of small-screen technology thing going on, intelligently modifies pages to fit on a small display. It's in the latest betas for Windows, at least.

Re:Yep (1)

jp10558 (748604) | more than 9 years ago | (#11982019)

Actually Opera has had SSR (Small Screen Rendering) for some time now, hit shift + F11 in 7.54u2 for instance. The betas extend the idea to ERA (extended rendering archetecture) which is supposed to scale the content to any size screen, be it small, medium or big (1600x1200) so you get the best use out of your monitor. I don't think it currently is working at making stuff "bigger" yet though.

please no adds (4, Insightful)

Xiph (723935) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979148)

As long as it's without the adds, I think it's great to see what i still consider the best browser to be present on cell phones. Albeit that probably means the cell phones are running CE...

Re:please no adds (2, Informative)

chrisopherpace (756918) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979162)

Why do you say it has to run on CE? Opera does have a port for Linux you know....

Re:please no adds (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979716)

What do you mean "port"? It seems to me (from the large list of compatible OSes) that Opera was built to be cross-OS capabile from the ground up in the latest versions. The list (in case you were intersted):
  • Windows
  • Solaris Sparc
  • QNX
  • OS/2
  • MacOS
  • Linux Sparc
  • Linux PowerPC
  • Linux i386
  • FreeBSD i386
  • BeOS

Re:please no adds (1)

Ravnen (823845) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981322)

'Port' means the version of the software for a given platform. Opera is very portable (or 'cross-OS capable' as you say), which is why there are so many ports!

Re:please no adds (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979182)

Opera runs fine on SymbianOS phones, like the Nokia 60 series.

Re:please no adds (0, Flamebait)

flumps (240328) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979206)

I have opera on my phone for a while now. One word: rubbish.

Mind you, browsing the internet with my 6600 has always been a crap layden, frustrating experience anyway.

And no, there are no adverts.

Re:please no adds (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981282)

what idiot marked this "flamebait"?

the mobile phone technology used on the internet is woefully inadequate, mainly due to the small size of the screens and it can be quite frustrating!

theres nothing flame-worthy in this post.

mods on crack again are they?

Re:please no adds (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979227)

well, I have the Nokia 9500 http://www.nokia.com/phones/9500 [nokia.com], which is Symbian OS 7 based, Opera is indeed the default browser, and there are no Ads, hence, the license deal.

Re:please no adds (3, Interesting)

ianezz (31449) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979315)

As long as it's without the adds, I think it's great to see what i still consider the best browser to be present on cell phones. Albeit that probably means the cell phones are running CE...

Well, high-end Nokia phones run Symbian OS (obviously: Nokia is a notable member of the Symbian consortium...), which basically is the good 'ol Epoc 32 which ran on Arm PDAs like the Psion Series 5. And Opera has been running for years on such machines, so that should be a no-brainer.

OTOH, Nokia uses its own GUI on top of Symbian, so this will probably mean some minor adjustments for Opera.

Re:please no adds (1)

UWC (664779) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979560)

I remember installing Opera on my Diamond Mako (a rebranded Psion Revo Plus) a few years ago. Since I didn't have a GSM phone to employ as a modem for it, I tried it out on some pages I transferred over the serial connection from my PC. It seemed to do pretty well, but the resolution on that device was 480x160 and was of course a touchscreen, so it wasn't quite the challenge that developing a good interface on a phone would be. Was definitely on Symbian OS (EPOC release 5, apparently). Opera seemed a bit slow to start on a 36MHz ARM processor, though.

Re:please no adds (1)

eraserewind (446891) | more than 9 years ago | (#11983655)

Opera already runs on Series60. It has shipped on the memory card for assorted Nokia phones already. This is just a new licensing deal.

Re:please no adds (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979321)

Who the hell would mod me overrated? You asshole you can take your overrated and shove it up you ass. You cost me a +5.

Re:please no adds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979402)

okay, what about subtracts and divisions? maybe you want multiplication? please advise.

Dipshit (0, Flamebait)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979408)

It is nokia, they run symbian. Opera runs on practically everything. Shoot Xiph in the head and shoot the ones who moderated him in the stomach, they should suffer.

Re:please no adds (2, Interesting)

bahwi (43111) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979623)

I've got the Nokia Communicator 9500 and it's Opera with a different skin(Nokia's branded it for themselves, but the same stuff is there).

No ads, works great too. 9500 Rocks because it's Wifi enabled too. Kinda big, but that's why it has the nickname "The Brick."

Re:please no adds (2, Informative)

Bronz (429622) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979994)

Opera doesn't run on CE. If would be the symbian OS, as in the past: http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=s ymbian

Re:please no adds (1)

Ravnen (823845) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981026)

Opera runs on most PC and PDA/mobile OSes, including Windows Mobile [opera.com]. Nokia, however, don't offer any phones running Windows Mobile, so you're right that the Nokia phones the article refers to run Symbian OS.

Re:please no adds (1)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981255)

Not true. There is an Opera version for Windows Powered Smartphone, which is Windows CE based.

There is not, however, a version for Pocket PC.

Re:please no adds (1)

nan0 (620897) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980197)

"probably means the cell phones are running CE..." actually nokia phones tend to (if not exclusively) run symbian and quite well

Instead of mouse gestures... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979171)

You dance around with the phone or do a silly walk.

Re:Instead of mouse gestures... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979717)

How's parent offtopic? Unfunny at best, but I'd rate it funny.

Symbian OS (3, Interesting)

Broiler (804077) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979186)

How long until Opera is the defacto browser for all Symbian OS phones?

Re:Symbian OS (1)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979333)

Until Minimo [mozilla.org] 1.0 is released ;)

Re:Symbian OS (4, Funny)

nafmo (147094) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979575)

Well, good luck fitting Minimo on those phones. I would wager that the reason why all the screenshots of Minimo running all show Google is not because Google hires Mozilla people, but because their page is what you can display before you run out of memory.

Opera is designed for running well on low-end machines, which gives it a clear upper hand when it comes to running it on small devices such as mass-market mobile phones.

Re:Symbian OS (1)

rodgerd (402) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980180)

Yeah, a Nokia 7710 [nokia.com] could never support anything more than a half-arsed browser.

Re:Symbian OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980374)

You mean, it's a good thing its not cabel of running a half-arsed browser ??
Witch is a free one, but still...

Sometimes software is worth its price..
And if its not for you, then you can always fine some free serials elsewhere..

Re:Symbian OS (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 9 years ago | (#11983504)

If I wasn't lazy, I would post an identical fictionous support request to both products and see what I get in return.

Keep on supporting Minimo, I hope it goes somewhere as Opera running on my 2mb ram 7650 but don't support it by undermining Opera.

Same deal with Mozilla/Opera already started on mobile too?

very long (1)

geo.georgi (809888) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980137)

It will take long time.
The most people still use the default WAP GPRS browser. The bookmarks on the phone are associated with him, and there is no way to make Opera the default browser on the phones.
I can speak for the current Symbian phones, that have him (Sony Ericsson P800/P900, Nokia 6600).

Minimo? (4, Interesting)

molrak (541582) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979243)

What does this mean for Minimo [mozilla.org] (Mozilla's mini-browser that was funded/supported by Nokia)? It's been less than a year since they announced their financial support for the project [com.com],. I know the mozilla foundation released a few early versions for Windows CE/Pocket, but I haven't heard anything about the mobile phone version.

Re:Minimo? (1)

ReverendLoki (663861) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979412)

Here are some pictures of Minimo already running on cellphones.

AKA "The picture set for those 5 readers who don't know how big a dollar bill is AND don't know what the Google logo looks like"

Re:Minimo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979322)

I means that the Minimo project should probably pick up some speed if the developers want to be on the map.

Re:Minimo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979492)

What does this mean for Minimo [mozilla.org] (Mozilla's mini-browser that was funded/supported by Nokia)?

No idea.

The funding actually started in 2003, though.

I know the mozilla foundation released a few early versions for Windows CE/Pocket, but I haven't heard anything about the mobile phone version.

Windows on Pocket PC (Windows Mobile for Pocket PC) is basically the same as Windows on mobiles (Windows Mobile for Smartphone). So it already works on phones.

I wouldn't be worried too much about Minimo going away. The Mozilla Foundation hired Doug Turner away from AOL (formerly Netscape) last December to work on it full time. The Minimo [mozilla.org] project site has been update recently too and is worth a quick browse if you're interested in the current state of things.

Re:Minimo? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979549)

Given that Minimo is the early stages, it's possible that Nokia is still funding Minimo while using Opera. According to the article, the lowest price Opera charges per device is about 50 cents but you have to be shipping millions of the things to get that. If Minimo develops to a sufficient state, then Nokia gets a free browser. Forever.

Re:Minimo? (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979582)

Or they could just charge an extra 50 cent to the cell phone company and still have a free browser. :-)

(Yes, I know what the orginal poster was saying. I was just making a joke.)

Re:Minimo? (1)

wilhelm9 (252724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981559)

But then every one of Nokias competitors will also have free access to a browser for their mobile phones, and funded by Nokia... :-)

Re:Minimo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979720)

Minimo 1.0 will be released in about six years' time. At that point, it will be laughably out of date. Minimo 1.0.1 will fix some of the embarrassing problems, but then the Minimo developers' egos will grow too large and development will stall.

That will cause a fork of the codebase that will become Micromo, which as we all know is the one true web browser.

Re:Minimo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980365)

Minimo is doomed.
It's not just about quality - although Opera is good - it's Nordic companies sticking together. Next thing you know Nokia will ditch symbian and use Linux ;)

Re:Minimo? (1)

Ravnen (823845) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981103)

What does this mean for Minimo (Mozilla's mini-browser that was funded/supported by Nokia)?

Nokia probably don't want to put all of their eggs into a single basket, as the saying goes. If the difference between the value added by Opera and the price of Opera is greater than the value added by Minimo, minus any funding from Nokia, then Opera is a better choice. If not, Minimo may be the better one.

Re:Minimo? (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 9 years ago | (#11983485)

Opera can be installed and run on my 7650 phone from 2002 (or 3?)

It has 2 mb of memory. Yes, 2 mb. You can't add anything too.(sigh) If you push a bit as using excellent tools like sdoubler from http://www.psiloc.com/ [psiloc.com] , you may even use Realplayer or Agile Messenger same time.

This must be the real reason

Opera? (-1, Flamebait)

Polly_Morf (868942) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979274)

I cant even use opera in my windows computer. I cant really think of anything as unusable as opera in a cellphone...

Re:Opera? (5, Funny)

Broiler (804077) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979298)

cant really think of anything as unusable as opera in a cellphone...
Excel

Re:Opera? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979499)

You know, the Nokia business phones have a spreadsheet viewer. Haven't tried it though...

Re:Opera? (1)

UWC (664779) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979302)

Except that Opera is very well respected as a mobile browser and has apparently some nice features specifically for low resolution mobile devices, including supposedly very well executed small screen rendering, which I guess scales and readjusts a web page for improved display on a mobile's screen.

Re:Opera? (1)

Polly_Morf (868942) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979367)

I have a thing confess (spelling?). I havent used opera since version um... 5 or something. Back then it was unusable. I installed the latest version on my fedora-box. It was unstable crap. I can't see why anybody uses it.

Re:Opera? (1)

UWC (664779) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979654)

Your stability complaint for PC versions is somewhat justified. I've experienced many a crash when it tries to load some Java applets in the Windows version (haven't tried a Linux version). I also imagine stability has improved since you last tried it. I think the current official version is 7, and 8 is available in beta form... I think. My assumption is that the mobile versions are significantly different in their implementation than the desktop versions.

Re:Opera? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980247)

Yeah, I agree but I don't care ;) The session saver makes it all better.

Re:Opera? (3, Informative)

LPetrazickis (557952) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979685)

Small Screen Rendering is available from the view menu in any recent version of Opera, including Opera 8b3 [opera.com] (Linux [opera.com]). It's surprisingly nifty, though kinda useless on the desktop.

OTOH, the new "Fit to Window Width" feature is super useful whenever there's a horizontal sidebar or if you want to collapse a frameset into a single page.:)

Small Screen (1)

eugene ts wong (231154) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981396)

Small screen is useful for those panels. If you want a design a page with a list of information, then you render it as small screen and make it fit better in the panel.

Can anyone comment on the usability... (4, Insightful)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979303)

...of Opera on cellphones? The main reason i use Opera as my everyday browser on Linux/Windows is because of it's excellent user interface. How does that translate to phones?

It must be hard browsing without mouse gestures :)

Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979393)

Firefox has multiple choices for mouse-gesture extensions. And yes, now that I'm using them, they're sorely missed when I'm using another browser.

Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979533)

Eliza, is that you?

Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... (4, Interesting)

it0 (567968) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979434)

It works out great, I use version 7.31 on my zaurus.
I don't understand how it works, but somebody told me that it is a css hack. Anyway for example you have 4 modes, with or without pics and fit to screen (columnn mode) and normal rendering. Let's say you have this complex page with css2 and javascript, some magic happens and it's completely readable on 320x240 in column mode.

Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... (3, Informative)

Wild Bill TX (787533) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979632)

It's not a CSS hack at all. Each page can have a different CSS for each different type of media [opera.com], including screen, handheld, print, and more. It's up to your browser to decide which one to use.

In the case of a mobile Opera browser, it will use your page's handheld CSS, if it exists. If it does not exist, the way page elements are displayed is simply altered to the default. For example, table cells are all displayed in one column.

This is the way HTML is designed and meant to be. Pages should use a semantic structure, with elements such as <h1>, <p>, and so forth, leaving the way it's displayed up to the browser or a CSS file (separate presentation from content). Unfortunately, that's not the way most pages are written today, due to failing standards support on the part of Internet Exploiter and lack of willingness to adopt unfamiliar ways, so there's usually only one optimal presentation: your desktop's browser. For those pages, Opera's SSR simply does the best it can.

Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... (2, Informative)

Rits (453723) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979757)

Daniel Glazman claims his CSS can do the same for Minimo as Opera's SSR for massaging webpages into something that fits in a 160 pixel wide screen.

But Opera does much more than applying some styles. See here [opera.com] for the brochure.

I used it and early MS phones (2, Informative)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979475)

Lets just say that it was a two horse race, Opera vs IE and Opera won 1st and 2nd and 3rd place. IE was towed to the pet food factory.

Opera works well and is a proper browser. IE at the time (about 2 years ago) was horribly limited in the mobile version, no css at all for instance. Opera on the other hand could handle regular websites as well or as bad as the full version on your pc.

Mouse gestures didn't exist but the ones I used were the big slightly laptop form nokia's vs pda MS phones. The widescreen of the nokia helped reading newssites wich is what I was supposed to be building for these phones.

Maybe IE has now improved but two years ago there was no competition.

Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979698)

I've tried surfing the web with cellphones for several years now and it's been very frustrating since even Lynx does a better job displaying complex sites than the browser+phone combos I've had.

But nowadays I'm using this [nokia.com] (got the phone because I'm beta-testing 3G mobile TV) with Opera, and I'm loving it; it's fast and works like a charm.

Now, there aren't that many situations where I actually need the web on my cell, but I'm happy it's finally possible - without frustration.

Re:Can anyone comment on the usability... (1)

eggz128 (447435) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979845)

It works pretty well actually (though I am posting this with it's main s60 rival Netfront). I used it recently when netfront 3.2 wouldn't start (due to a bug that requires you to manually delete the cache with a 3rd party app). Both basically work equally well, reformatting pages for the small screen by scaling images and displaying table cells as block level elements (eliminating sideways scrolling when tables are used for layout). Opera is a bit smarter with css, using the handheld media stylesheet exclusively if supplied. Netfront will apply both handheld and screen rules if supplied which is annoying. On the upside you netfront's settings allow you to write and apply a user.css file.

Fantastic on Symbian S60 (1)

mapnjd (92353) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980911)

I've a Nokia 7610, and it's fantastic. There aren't many pieces of software that I, personally, consider are worth paying for, but Opera for Symbian is one of them, It's fantastic - it has turned my cute toy into a completely cool essential tool. I've even had to sign up to a data bundle from Orange (UK)!

Slashdot works particularly well.

It Figures (-1, Troll)

RyanG34 (866569) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979310)

It figures that they would sign Opera as their browser....then they can sell you the Antispyware software to go along with the phone which is an additional $10. Similar to how Microsoft bought out the antivirus company which is software to fix problems that Microsoft made in its OS.

Re:It Figures (2, Insightful)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979373)

"It figures that they would sign Opera as their browser....then they can sell you the Antispyware software to go along with the phone which is an additional $10."

Uh, what? Are you saying that Opera is/has spyware? If so, can ya pass the pipe?

Re:It Figures (1)

zootm (850416) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979405)

Similar to how Microsoft bought out the antivirus company which is software to fix problems that Microsoft made in its OS.
What, that it was present on non-technical user's desktop machines? I mean, I know it's a problem, but someone has to supply these people with computers...

Re:It Figures (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979465)

please point out where opera sells antispyware programs. when you are done with that, please explain how nokia or opera allows spyware on their phones to begin with. oh wait, they don't. why? because you are full of shit.

opera sells 1 thing. a browser. a browser that happens to work amazingly well, and even more amazingly well in a mobile environment.

is this worth paying for? definitely.

are you still full of shit? definitely.

Ads? I think not.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979383)

Opera is great for browsing and has always had some form of a popup blocker (yes, even prior to Mozilla). However, It is noteworthy to point out the greatest feature of the Opera browser...."delete all private information".. I don't know a single person who surfs for porn with anything else!

Re:Ads? I think not.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11979468)

Agreed. God knows how much I've used Opera for shemale porn.

Re:Ads? I think not.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11982526)

However, It is noteworthy to point out the greatest feature of the Opera browser...."delete all private information".. I don't know a single person who surfs for (whatever) with anything else!
Here is an OS [geocities.com], running Mozilla Firefox, which can also clear all private information. Then, once the computer is powered down, there is no private information anywhere on the box. Perfect for your banking or online stock transactions.

I've been using Opera and it's a nice addition (0, Troll)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979462)

Plus, since this will be an ad-free version, you won't have to worry about all those pop-up and other ads at all.

Re:I've been using Opera and it's a nice addition (3, Insightful)

SilicaiMan (856076) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979999)

since this will be an ad-free version, you won't have to worry about all those pop-up and other ads at all.

What pop-up ads? Opera's ads do not pop up. They are as inconspicuous as they can get, and limited to a narrow horizontal band at the top of the screen.

Plus, I don't see anybody complaining about Slashdot's ads. Subscribers (you know, people who pay money) don't see Slashdot's ads. Same thing with Opera.

Shards of malformed html (3, Interesting)

Nexboy (868907) | more than 9 years ago | (#11979758)

It might be interesting to run these browser-equipped PDA's and phones against the random shards of malformed html generated by Michael Zalewski's program mentioned previously on Slashdot. [slashdot.org]

I did a quick check of an embedded browser I had laying around, and it died instantly.

Works fine, try it yourself (Shift+F11) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980253)

Opera works surprisingly well. Just hit Shift+F11 and you can see for yourself(1). How does YOUR page look on a cell phone?

(1)Requires Opera of course, but why not use this opportunity to try the browser that Firefox has copied all it's cool features from?

Can anyone parse this? (1)

pla (258480) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980849)

Opera's CFO said he expected the rise in the number of phones with Opera's browser to outpace the increase in models.

Umm... Huh?

So... More models of phones will use Opera than the number of existant phone models?

Neat trick, this guy should talk to the CEO of a former employer of mine that swore to maintain perpetual X% "growth" per year by making cuts to reach that target.

Perhaps Bernie didn't do anything wrong... These guys just use a system of math totally incompatible with physical reality. Worldcom investors actually made trillions, it just doesn't look so good on paper. Yeah.

All thank Opera (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 9 years ago | (#11983493)

If they weren't in business, we were speaking about the IE domination (and also WinCE) on mobile market right now.

They make living money only and only from selling browsers and inventing. They had no $2M donation or 400+ elite coders.

Its a miracle they have come this far and keep on progressing.
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