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EDS' Secret Love For Linux Laid Bare

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the wearing-flip-flops dept.

Linux Business 171

Ashcrow writes "'Only a day after flaming open source as insecure, unscalable and unfit for Australian consumption in its Agility Alliance, services vendor EDS has revealed it really does have a soft spot for the penguin deep in its heart.' Apparently the 'Linux environment provides a level of security and stability unavailable elsewhere' which differs from that they had said earlier."

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Awwww (tear drips from eye) (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980881)

Now let's all hug.

MS is behind this? (1)

alexandreracine (859693) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981148)


Hoooooo, I get it now. This current news is coming from EDS, but what they had said earlier [slashdot.org] is coming from Microsoft.

Just like the get the facts caimpain. [microsoft.com] Everything in true there.

Rasmussen - Wilson (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980882)

Only a day after flaming open source as insecure, unscalable and unfit for Australian consumption in its Agility Alliance, services vendor EDS has revealed it really does have a soft spot for the penguin deep in its heart.

Left hand, meet right hand. We'll introduce you to brain later.

In other news: EDS global vice president for Agility Alliance Rob Rasmussen was found not to be scalable.

An anonymous insider said, "We still give him rubber pencils and an Etch-A-Sketch for a laptop, he's getting better about drooling, too."

Ob: Nelson (1)

pegr (46683) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980902)

Ha ha!

Or more to the point, I believe EDS has demonstrated themselves to be unreliable and unscalable...

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980935)

Etch-a-Sketch technology eh, sounds like most of the UK Government contracts they've developed. :-)

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (1)

Andrewkov (140579) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981238)

"In case of crash, hold unit upside down and shake" -- from the Etch-a-Sketch user manual.

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981001)

Flipping from one opinion to the other does these jokers no good at all. Why don't they either have an opinion and stick to it, or just shut the hell up?

Given the constantly-changing nature of Linux, it's never sensible to slag it off anyway (the OS, not RedHat).

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (2, Insightful)

OrangeSpyderMan (589635) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981040)

(the OS, not RedHat)

Sigh...
RedHat is the OS, linux is the kernel - Linux "the OS" just doesn't exist. I'm no Stallman fanboy, but what you just said was drivel. Perhaps, "given the constantly-changing nature of the kernel, slagging off linux OS'es is never sensible" would have been better. But even so....

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (1)

SnowZero (92219) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981089)

Linux "the OS" just doesn't exist.

Well if that's the case neither does BSD, nor Windows for that matter. In reality the difference between a lot of distros (or Windows versions) is not that great. For Linux this is is especially true due to efforts like the LSB, and the fraction of distros which started as Debian or Red Hat clones.

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (1)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981482)

I was going to say you overstated the case re. Windows. Then I thought about all the web pages explaining how advanced users can swap some program, e.g. Defrag, or Scandisk, into an older windows distribution, swap pieces between NT and 9X lines, unbundle IE, get around FAT 32 size limits in XP, and so on. I think you may have something there. Just because fewer Windows users by total percentages would make any such changes doesn't mean the difference in Windows distros is especially large or the boundaries extra-firm. Windows might be pretty flexable for assembling new distros, but a large clueless user base and Microsoft's closed mouth attitude could still easily obscure it.

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981087)

Having an opinion and sticking to it in the face of constantly-changing nature is not commendable, it's stupid. That's what sets apart science from religion: a good scientist must be prepared to abandon long-held beliefs with each new experiment (note: in reality, the scientific community often has to wait for the old fogies to die off instead).

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (5, Funny)

Apathetic1 (631198) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981006)

We'll introduce you to brain later.

You haven't worked there, have you?

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (2, Interesting)

eomnimedia (444806) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981052)

Be careful what you wish for...give someone enough time and an Etch-A-Sketch and you'll end-up with this [gvetchedintime.com] .

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (1)

anagama (611277) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981670)

Wow. That's crazy! Pure insanity.

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (5, Interesting)

demachina (71715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981067)

Agility Alliance is mostly an attempt by EDS in particular to form a consortium to counter IBM and its love affair with Linux. They offer Solaris Server's(SUN), Windows Desktops(Microsoft), and Cisco just wants to sell their Chinese made routers to anyone and will probably kiss up to IBM five minutes after walking out of the Agility Alliance press conference.

EDS is just trying to be anti IBM, and since IBM is pro Linux that means their competitive analysis team unwisely told them to be rabidly anti Linux whether it made any sense or not. Obviously it didn't make much sense. Big consulting companies might form preferences, and offer recommendations, but they are supposed to pick the best solution for job and be willing to be open minded enough to offer the technology the customer wants.

To put it another way by bashing Linux to this extent EDS has:

A. Shown to their potential customers they have a religious bias, which will preclude them from being a good consultant.

B. Shot themselves in the foot for any contract competition where Linux is prefered by the customer.

A smarter way: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981339)

Agility Alliance is mostly an attempt by EDS in particular to form a consortium to counter IBM and its love affair with Linux.

Seems it be much smarter for EDS to adopt Linux, thereby being able to legally "steal" all the "IP" that their feared competitor IBM is producing.

They way it is now, they just look incompetent.

Re:A smarter way: (3, Insightful)

demachina (71715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981470)

"Seems it be much smarter for EDS to adopt Linux, thereby being able to legally "steal" all the "IP" that their feared competitor IBM is producing."

Kind of hard to build a consulting business on "stealing" Linux IP. EDS can use IBM's open source stuff no problem, but a potential customer is going to be faced with the choice of:

- Hire IBM because they are developing Linux stuff so they obviously have the expertise

- Hire EDS who is probably learning as they go because Linux isn't exactly their bag, and are now bad mouthing it to boot.

IBM isn't stupid. They know ownership of the IP in the Linux world doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is if your potential clients view you as savvy and expert and IBM obviously conveys that on Linux, especially with the never ending barrage of great Linux stuff they post on their developer site and the non stop advertising.

If you are trying to land a consulting gig it also helps if the potential customer sees you as getting Linux and are not trying to "own" things or do proprietary lockins.

"They way it is now, they just look incompetent."

Totally right. IBM's marketing strategy is to be pro Linux, and not overtly anti Microsoft or anti anything else. Everyone knows they have no love for Microsoft but if a customer wants Windows IBM consulting will do it in a heartbeat. They'd probably even do Solaris if the customer required it, though probably more reluctantly (the old proprietary UNIX religious wars run deeper than the Linux versus Windows religious war).

EDS on the other hand, at least in this case, is being anti something and that is a really stupid marketing approach for someone selling services. You need to be pro something versus anti something. But its hard for EDS to create much excitement being pro Windows desktop and Solaris servers. Its an ancient strategy and long in the tooth, especially since many people think SUN is half dead. IBM looks leading edge and trendy being pro Linux. If EDS tries to be pro Linux they just look like a "me too" compared to IBM. IBM really has them foxed.

Not sure where CSC falls in this. I imagine they will just whore their services based on the customer's desires and aren't religious about it.

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (2, Funny)

Ravnen (823845) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981445)

The anti-Linux comments from EDS didn't sound rabid to me, just like a sales pitch for Solaris.

The conflicting claims make EDS look a bit stupid, but I don't think most objective people think criticism of Linux 'shows religious bias', even if it's vague and perhaps invalid.

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (1)

winhat (866512) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981511)

Linux must certainly be meant just for hobby because in office and the explorer search pane they have dozens of these little tools that just do their jobs without much in the upper region of the relationship between an organism and its love affair with linux.The sun is the study of the agility alliance is mostly an attempt by eds in particular to form salts by releasing hydrogen.

Because i'm on the spur of the agility alliance is mostly an attempt by eds in particular to form a consortium to counter ibm and its love affair with linux. Obviously you'll never be accused of having a shining wit! Eds is just trying to be open minded enough to think they can change the subject...

Eds is just trying to be used as a tool and not just for hobby because in office and the explorer search pane they have dozens of these little characters that'll dance and do tricks and stuff without really helping you out in the extent of my possessions, but in the wars for their genocide. Decimated by manifest destiny. Tortured and enslaved in the world is an ordered series of letters used in language.

A day is the time taken for the innocent to be free. He simply wants to sell their chinese made routers to anyone and will probably kiss up to ibm five minutes after walking out of your way) for a good consultant.

Shot themselves in the foot with the calf of the foot.

Oracle (1)

soloport (312487) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981094)

You know, I hear Oracle is part of that group, now.

[ducks]

Re:Rasmussen - Wilson (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981515)

Hm.. just sounds like EDS was just frivolous and changed their mind frequently: the real question is which were they more serious about, or do they really have what we might call an inconsistent view?

Another possibility is that their executives were assimilated into the collective and replaced with duplicates, robots built to look like the humans, or clones to do the Linux community's bidding. (e.g.)

sx (-1, Offtopic)

ovideon (634144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980887)

fp

hi (0, Offtopic)

opweirdisntit (780341) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980891)

hehe 1st post@! but not such a good topic for news.

Hah! (0, Flamebait)

Asshat Canada (804093) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980893)

EDS?
Who?
OMFG, Who gives a shit? I thought Australians were all criminals?

Dinosaur (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980894)

Looks like an old dinosaur just put himself out to pasture.

This study was sponsored by someone else (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980920)

The results of any study are determined by who commissioned it. So, if this study was commissioned by someone else, of course its results are different.

But but but... (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981037)

1. Researchers have integriddy. Intuhgrity. Inta--that thing where they pursue truth. They develop a hypothesis, test it, and report the results, unvarnished.
2. ????
3. Profit!

Re:But but but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981102)

Nice try, but you don't fool us /.ers! We'd know you anywhere, GW!

This Just In! (1, Funny)

Valiss (463641) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980921)

Apparently Linux, in addition to providing a level of security and stability unavailable elsewhere, seems to be free!

In related news, [insert MS joke regarding costing too much and not being nearly as secure].

I've actually found microsoft ads... (0, Offtopic)

AI0867 (868277) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981073)

..Stating that Windows Server 2003 is 14% cheaper than 'Linux'

yeah, right.

slightly offtopic, but whatever

MS not secure - Re:This Just In! (2, Interesting)

alexandreracine (859693) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981229)

In related news, [insert MS joke regarding costing too much and not being nearly as secure].
Just let the numbers speak!

Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition [secunia.com] (Highly critical)
Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Server [secunia.com] (Highly critical)
Microsoft Windows 2000 Server [secunia.com] (Highly critical)
Microsoft Windows XP Professional [secunia.com] (Less critical)
Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition [secunia.com] (Less critical)
Linux Kernel 2.4.x [secunia.com] (Less critical)
Mandrake Linux 9.x [secunia.com] (Not critical)
Mandrake Linux 10.1 [secunia.com] (less then Not critical)
RedHat Linux 8.0 [secunia.com] (Less critical)
RedHat Linux 9.0 [secunia.com] (Not critical)
RedHat Enterprise Linux WS 3 [secunia.com] (less then Not critical)

So EDS is a whore (5, Funny)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980923)

They'll pretty much say or do whatever people pay them to say or do.

Wear the nun outfit and spank them with a floppy? Sure, they'll do that.

Call you "Mommy" while wearing a swimsuit? For the right price, they're yours!

And to say that Linux is good one day, and insecure the next, well, that's just another whore transaction. All in a day's work for EDS, I guess.

"Billable Hours" (3, Informative)

gvc (167165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980986)

EDS is a consulting firm. They sell "billable hours." If those billable hours result in an accurate study or a system that works it is strictly because the individuals whose hours were billed happen to do a good job.

Re:"Billable Hours" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981362)

And if those billable hours resulting in a spanking session with someone dressed like a nun; so long as the client felt they were getting good value, the individuals whose hourse were billed happened to do a good job too.

Doing a "good job" in consulting work is all about pleasing management of your customer. Not doing something objectively accurate or correct.

Re:"Billable Hours" (1)

lewp (95638) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981568)

Tell me more about the nun spankings.

Re:So EDS is a whore (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981005)

They'll pretty much say or do whatever people pay them to say or do.

Well, in this case they deployed it in house and were sounding rather pleased with the outcome. But it's definitely a rapid turn-around.


Wear the nun outfit and spank them with a floppy? Sure, they'll do that.

Yeah, every salesman I've ever met would be all over that if they could book the revenue (and get their comission) this quarter.

Re:So EDS is a whore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981356)

hey, I just picked some random comment in the middle of the page and replied to it without even reading it. mod me down!

p.s. the parent post is full of spelling errors. I know because I'm psychic.

Re:So EDS is a whore (1)

beta21 (88000) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981029)

They'll pretty much say or do whatever people pay them to say or do.
Wear the nun outfit and spank them with a floppy? Sure, they'll do that.
Call you "Mommy" while wearing a swimsuit? For the right price, they're yours!
And to say that Linux is good one day, and insecure the next, well, that's just another whore transaction. All in a day's work for EDS, I guess.


Wow, I don't know what to write. Somehow a story about EDS and their opinions on Linux has brought up:

nun's in outfits spanking floppies (disk drives right?)

Something about someone's mother wearing a swimming costume


only on slashdot....

Re:So EDS is a whore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981375)

only on slashdot....

You've never worked with EDS, have you.

I think it was something like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981051)

... ...
Rob Rasmussen: But Linux and open source are good, I can't lie.

Bill Gates: Your daughter is in our custody and we'll leave her only if ...

Rob Rasmussen: Ok, please don't do anything to her, I'll do what you say. ... ... ...

Maybe the level is *lower*? (4, Funny)

Andyvan (824761) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980931)

In their case study, they state "Linux environment provides a level of security and stability unavailable elsewhere". Maybe that level is lower, not higher? ;-)

Re:Maybe the level is *lower*? (1)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981237)

Hey moderators, the parent post may be funny, but it's not insightful. Who cares if there's no karma for humor?

Re:Maybe the level is *lower*? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981672)

It brings insight in how the sentence could be interpreted in a different way.
It's not a likely interpretation, but it is a new/different insight.

Mixed messages about Linux (-1, Offtopic)

ndogg (158021) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980933)

"It's secure!" says one message. "It's not secure!" says another, and back and forth as such.

Wow, /. seems really confused over Linux lately.

Re:Mixed messages about Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980977)

Is this the geek version of "great tasting" vs "less filling"?

The messenger isn't the message (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980984)

You're making the classic mistake of confusing the messenger with the sender. It's really popular these days, though old as the hills: the prophet must be the god he's talking about! When a journal reports hypocrisy, the journal isn't confused - they hypocrite is *confusing* - and maybe confused.

To paraphrase another loser: (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11980937)

"I was against Linux before I voted for it"

Re:To paraphrase another loser: (1)

machinegunhand (867735) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981295)

Linux is secure. Of course, it depends on what the definition of is is.

Consultant, prostitute? (2, Interesting)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980940)

Both will tell you just what you want to hear and do just about anything to make a buck.

Re:Consultant, prostitute? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981658)

No...

When a prostitute "finishes" with you, at least you got what you paid for.

With EDS, you have to hire six more prostitutes just to maybe be able to get an erection again.

In six months, after spending $20 million.

Oh, and if they can find your original penis.

Evil Data Systems (1, Funny)

Stanistani (808333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980948)

EDS - IT Provider of The Beast

I'm just another happy EDS/NMCI end user.
I'm sooo sooo happy I might start laughing and never stop.

*Tries to strangle himself with ethernet cable*

Re:Evil Data Systems (1)

ArekRashan (527011) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981572)

I've heard that NMCI charges you a per-seat lease in addition to a flat fee site contract, and at least one site contract I know of involves giving ridiculous amounts of equipment to NMCI essentially for free.

So they are paying NMCI money to have NMCI lease their own equipment to them. This includes quite a few high-end LCD monitors.

And the rollout is something like nine months late, but NMCI still gets paid...

I've also heard that EDS are whores, and that they'll say anything you want them to.

But I don't really have any direct experience. I think this 'reversal' is pretty damn funny, however.

Jeez (3, Funny)

TupperTrenine (803932) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980956)

Is it even necessary to try and make a joke at the expense of the article title?

Re:Jeez (1)

jacksonj04 (800021) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980974)

Given that the punctuation is lacking somewhat, I want to know what Linux Laid Bare looks like.

Obligatory quote (2, Insightful)

kko (472548) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980968)

MARLA: You fuck me, then snub me. You love me, you hate me. You show me your sensitive side, then you turn into a total asshole! Is that a pretty accurate description of our relationship, Tyler?

JACK (V.O.): We've just lost cabin pressure.

Re:Obligatory quote (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981599)

Guess the jack-ass with mod points to flush never saw the movie... Oh well.

Good, 'cause they run our Linux boxes (5, Interesting)

bunyip (17018) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980980)

We have many hundreds of Linux boxes in our data center, run by EDS. We have a cluster of about 150 4-way Opteron machines, as well as several other clusters. This is in the US.

I also need to say that our support for Linux & MySQL from the EDS team supporting us has been excellent.

I was disappointed by the comments earlier this week, doubly so as I'm an Australian. I thought my countrymen would have smarter things to say about Linux...

Alan.

Re:Good, 'cause they run our Linux boxes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981069)

I don't work for EDS directly, but I helped them bring in quite a few Itanium 2 boxes running Linux.

The last story was crap. EDS is starting to use a lot of Linux.

Re:Good, 'cause they run our Linux boxes (4, Insightful)

Art Tatum (6890) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981309)

I was disappointed by the comments earlier this week, doubly so as I'm an Australian. I thought my countrymen would have smarter things to say about Linux...

Why? Just because you have nationality in common? I'm American and half of my countrymen are frothing idiots. I won't tell you which ones--just pick the ones you like least and let them be "it." I'm not that interested in letting you know where I stand. You'd probably hate me for it anyway.

Re:Good, 'cause they run our Linux boxes (-1, Offtopic)

demachina (71715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981386)

"...doubly so as I'm an Australian"

What exactly is wrong with Australia, I really am curious. I was really hoping you would throw out Howard and the Liberals in the 2004 elections for backing the war in Iraq and being Bush and Blair's poodle. Was hoping this would knock one more leg out from under the coalition of the "willing" (sic). Is Australia still so infatuated with Britain that you have to emulate them and continue to support a so called "Liberal" party that is apparently really right wing and follow in Blair's footsteps by electing a prime minister(Howard) who is a Blair emulator and Bush poodle.

I mean I totally understand why the U.S. votes for Bush, this country is full of clueless right wingers, religious zealots and FOX news pretty much tells them what to think. I was hoping the rest of the world still had a clue though. I wait with bated breath to see if Britain throws Blair out over Iraq and his poodledom.

Australia doesn't get much coverage in the U.S., well no country gets any coverage in the U.S. except the U.S. and Israel, last summer I'd heard the Australian people were unhappy over Iraq and Howard was going to lose and then bam, he wins again. What happened?

Re:Good, 'cause they run our Linux boxes (0, Offtopic)

say (191220) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981416)

What exactly is wrong with Australia, I really am curious.

Immigration policies.

Re:Good, 'cause they run our Linux boxes (1)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981494)

"You?"

You mean you're not Australian?

When people talk about the "Arrogant Americans", do you realize that telling other people that they're "wrong" for their choice in leaders is part of that?

To all those from Australia, sorry about that. Our crazy policial types are few, but they're really loud.

Re:Good, 'cause they run our Linux boxes (4, Insightful)

demachina (71715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981555)

"do you realize that telling other people that they're "wrong" for their choice in leaders is part of that?"

Chill dude, I was just curious why the election turned out the way it did and being personally disappointed with how the U.S. election turned out I was hoping the rest of the world would at least get rid of all the poodle's backing the wacky people who've seized power in the U.S. Just wishin' not like I actually seek to influence the outcome.

You want to see "Arrogant American" lecturing people on elections, someone who actually has the power to influence them, check the Donald Rumsfeld speech today when he bashed Spain for throwing out the right wing, pro Bush, government.

Or check how the U.S. pumped $50 million dollars in to the Ukraine with the express intent of influencing the outcome of their election. If some country overtly pumped that much money in to the U.S. to influence an election the targeted party would go ballistic. U.S. does it, its just business as usual, especially for the National Endowment for "Democracy".

In fact the U.S. government, especially the right wing U.S. governments like we have now have actually influenced or outright rigged countless elections over the last half century. Me wishing there had been a different outcome in Australia kind of pales by comparison.

Hey I think America was totally crazy for their choice of leaders too. I was just wondering if some Aussie could explain what the issues were that lead to Howard winning. I'll go first and set an example, in the U.S. the Republican's won due to ruthless exploitation of a wedge issue, gay marriage, and terrorizing everyone over national security.

Re:Good, 'cause they run our Linux boxes (1)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981444)


How are those Opterons working under Linux? I have a friend who turns his nose up at anything that isn't Intel. Says that if you want to get anything from AMD running with linux you always end up having to apply patches and special tweaks.

Re:Good, 'cause they run our Linux boxes (1)

daliman (626662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981493)

They run fine with linux. Due to the joy of the debian release process, you can't run stable on them, but testing works fine and dandy.

If I could mod articles (1)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980989)

I'd rate this a +6: Potentially Misconstrued based solely on the title.

Kudos to the submitter, propz unlimited and all that.

EDS' Linux Strategy? (4, Funny)

geomon (78680) | more than 9 years ago | (#11980994)

I wonder why anyone would listen to EDS about anything.

After all, they don't even listen to themselves.

Re:EDS' Linux Strategy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981449)

You're not even kidding.

I work for EDS at a major account, and my one true wish is that I could get a job going around for IBM telling potential customers why they should NEVER consider giving EDS a chance.

What a bunch of half-assed fuckwits.

it's like dejavu all over again ... (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981014)

Same that happends with SCO and others.

They never had a legitim bussiness (or they did in the past, but now it's gone), so they are paid to spread FUD; and would just do anything to take the last bucks out of their company.

Sounds more like.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981038)

...a soft spot in the head.

EDS and stable software (5, Interesting)

l0perb0y (324046) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981039)

Just after reading about EDS bashing Linux, I read this [rockymountainnews.com] article. about the myriad of glitches in EDS's software for the Colorado welfare office that is going to cost millions to fix.

Now, they do say that colorado pushed the go live faster than was recommended, but the point is that EDS might not be the one to talk about stability and flexibility.

EDS has lots of problems (1)

FerretFrottage (714136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981065)

As I said here [slashdot.org] and as others have commented about. I guess now that SCO is mostly off the radar, we have a new 3 letter company to make fun of and hate.

Old news! (0, Flamebait)

ulatekh (775985) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981078)

I posted about that here [slashdot.org] .

I guessed I should have submitted it as an article...then I would be cool.

I want to know (5, Funny)

labratuk (204918) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981108)

I really want to know how these 'Alliances' and think-tanks get formed in the first place. Does Sun come to IBM and say something like:

Sun: Hey, wan't to go in with us on this joint think tank and study group? It will do industry analysis for all of us and we can get them to voice our opinons through their reports. I have a few friends I can pay to sit around and write articles.

IBM: Wait, whose opinions would these be? Yours or ours?

Sun: Does it matter?

IBM: Not really. Ok, I'm in.

Microsoft: Hey, my nephew's a philosophy major and is having trouble finding a job. He's quite a good writer - do you think you could get him a job in it?

Sun: Sure.

IBM: Wait, aren't we all mortal enemies?

Re:I want to know (1)

labratuk (204918) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981361)

Wow, there are a bunch of typos in there which I apologise for profusely.

Kubuntu rules! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981121)

Re:Kubuntu rules! (1)

pjbgravely (751384) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981209)

So pretty: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?re lease=286&slide=13&title=kubuntu+kde+3.4+screensho ts

That is just plain wrong

Re:Kubuntu rules! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981660)

Hmmm... doesn't the next release of Ubuntu have KDE already?

whats the point of..... (1)

shrewd (830067) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981135)

reports saying this and that when us australians don't liste to anyone anyway?

EDS is so trustworthy--not! (5, Interesting)

sribe (304414) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981149)

Look what Colorado got from EDS for our $200,000,000 in taxpayer money:

Benefits plan assailed [rockymountainnews.com] - Lawsuit targets benefit system [rockymountainnews.com] - Benefits program hits predicted snags [rockymountainnews.com] - Loss of aid to poor feared [rockymountainnews.com] - Computer causing headache, heartache [rockymountainnews.com] - Computer upgrade in works [rockymountainnews.com] - Donate food, mayor urges [rockymountainnews.com] - Judge: Keep system running [rockymountainnews.com] - Company has other unhappy customers [rockymountainnews.com] - Computer glitch costly [rockymountainnews.com] - Food drives ramping up over weekend [rockymountainnews.com] - Pressure to go online [rockymountainnews.com] - Mixed results on rollout [rockymountainnews.com] - Living on the edge [rockymountainnews.com] - Glitch leaves poor out in cold [rockymountainnews.com] - Benefits system lawsuit revived [rockymountainnews.com] - Old system assisted payroll [rockymountainnews.com] - Woman desperate to get meds for son [rockymountainnews.com] - Needy could wait months for welfare benefits [rockymountainnews.com] - Federal report blasts state welfare backlog [rockymountainnews.com] - Benefits battle boiling [rockymountainnews.com] - Letter blasts benefits system [rockymountainnews.com] - Demand for food 'unprecedented' [rockymountainnews.com] - Consultant derides new benefit system [rockymountainnews.com] - Nursing home 'crisis' [rockymountainnews.com] - Counties faulted on benefits [rockymountainnews.com] - Mother deals with confusion on benefits [rockymountainnews.com] - Lawyers wrap up arguments on benefits system [rockymountainnews.com] - Judge: Clear backlog [rockymountainnews.com] - Family in downward spiral [rockymountainnews.com] - Benefits 800 number in the works [rockymountainnews.com] - Despite progress, welfare backlog up [rockymountainnews.com] - Counties fear big bill [rockymountainnews.com] - State reports drop in benefits backlog [rockymountainnews.com] - Speakout: New benefits system improving steadily [rockymountainnews.com] - Welfare computer system faces review [rockymountainnews.com] - Counties 'cannot afford to wait' [rockymountainnews.com] - - Familiar woes for EDS [rockymountainnews.com]

Re:EDS is so trustworthy--not! (1, Interesting)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981334)

Colorado doesn't have a proven track record of being efficient (or prudent) with anything. The city (Denver & Surrounding), county and state governments are so fucked up it makes me want to cry every time I think about it. Although EDS may deserve some of the blame, Colorado gets quite a bit just for being dumb.

Yeah, I did something about it. I moved.

Oh yeah, the big yellow pollution cloud didn't help
either.

Re:EDS is so trustworthy--not! (3, Insightful)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981548)

That has to be the most depressing thing I've seen all afternoon. A broken system is worthless, no matter how much it cost. Governments need to make that clear.

Re:EDS is so trustworthy--not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981581)


And here [sunseeker.com] is what [bentley.com] EDS executives got [debeers.com] for your [learjet.com] 200,000,000 [privateislandsonline.com]

If that's how they want to play (2, Insightful)

Necrotica (241109) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981161)

If they can't even properly manage their own public communications, I wonder how well they can manage their client's systems?

This is exactly what open source needs... (0, Offtopic)

CarlinWithers (861335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981178)

What open source needs is to be useful. Useful to the point that a company that has a vested interest in bashing it also uses it.

There are a lot of people out there spreading a lot of FUD (in both camps). But at the end of the day the software that does the work well will win.

Aha! Mystery solved. (4, Funny)

jd (1658) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981272)

Linux is "unscalable, insecure and unfit for consumption" but is the most scalable, secure and "fit for consumption" product out there.


Translation into Real English: Linux is as far below "perfect" as most other Operating Systems out there are below Linux.


Translation of Translation: Linux isn't perfect, but it's heavenly compared to any of the alternatives EDS has tried.


Translation of Translation of Translation: EDS need to see about getting on Prozac.

Oh no, not them (3, Funny)

Eternally optimistic (822953) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981301)

An endorsement by EDS ? This could be the end of Linux.

They won't go hungry for a while (1)

Stephen Samuel (106962) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981303)

They've got lots of eggs now -- they just have to scrape it off of their face very carefully and pull their foot out of their mouth. For desert, they can start eating their words.

An even bigger issue... (1)

symbolic (11752) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981317)


Who cares what EDS thinks? Sure, they have their hands deep into the pockets of the Fortune 500, but they're no less vulnerable to the effects that Linux may have on the market.

hes just too cute.... (0)

teksno (838560) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981325)

that damn penguin is just to cute to cay no..... not to mention linux's complete customization.... if you dont like a flavor, or a kernal for that matter, just write one for your self....

EDS == Microsoft Whores (-1, Redundant)

LorenzoV (106795) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981411)

There's really not much else to say, is there? Some mucky-muck at MS called up some muckey-muck at EDS and said they had a story they'd like EDS to publish as "news". EDS, seeing $$$ in their eyes, rolled over, spread its legs and begged, "Bring it on". ... Nere once did the EDS muckey-muck think to ask how his own institution viewed Linux.

EDS's credibility has been sinking for a while now. I guess this pretty much puts the nail in the coffin. Eh?

typically hypocritical (1)

dlasley (221447) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981454)

EDS has been obsessed with being everything to everyone, and this is just another facet to the multiplicitous facade. Once they get someone to buy into either end of the argument, they get their consulting wing fully embedded in the customer and then suck them dry like a vampire on steroids (but not the kind of steroids that make you hit home runs ... no ... the kind that makes you into an egotistical shmuck who feels impervious to the ridicule from such factions of reality as customer satisfaction and cost controls). Please, just spare us any more stories about EDS and their views on Linux!

WHY?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981458)

Why in the world are people still hiring EDS?
What is wrong with you people?

Talking outta both sides (2, Insightful)

Ridgelift (228977) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981463)

First Article: From a corporate perspective, we are not confident where Linux is right now today. A large enterprise needs to be sure because it relates to securifying [sic] the environment.

Second Article: Nearly a decade after it was first developed, Linux is gaining popularity with corporate IT departments that admire the operating system for its stability and security.

If most corporations are considered psychopaths [thecorporation.tv] , then these guys are schizophrenic.

Unigraphics on Linux? (1)

un1xl0ser (575642) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981467)

Has anyone every tried to ask anyone at EDS why they don't have a copy of Unigraphics working on Linux yet?

Lots and lots of engineering application vendors have their software running on Linux. EDS doesn't ... I wonder why that is?
--
v2sw4UPChw6ln64prOck6ma4u7Lw2m6l7GCi2e4t2AMRb8Oen5 g3Ca2Xs6r0p8 hackerkey.com [hackerkey.com]

Slow news day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981491)

Seriously, why does Slashdot consider it news when a bunch of dopes claim they don't like Linux?

Okay, a little perspective from an EDSer... (4, Interesting)

Shoten (260439) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981519)

I work for EDS, and I have to point a few things out. For one, it's a HUGE corporation...it's a world unto itself. We've got over 120,000 employees all over the planet, on nearly every continent and in every time zone. You always have to take what one guy says with a grain of salt; there are very few universal truths that cover all of EDS, and none of them have to do with a preference for a kind of technology, one way or the other. For gods sake, I'm sure there's a linux beowulf cluster somewhere, and a whole lot of Windows ME somewhere else.
I'd also like to point out that the previous article about the EDS "stance" was very likely taken somewhat out of context by the reporter. You've got a guy high up in EDS saying that in enterprise environments, linux doesn't match up to Solaris 10, and in a lot of ways he's right. If you doubt that, check out Solaris 10 and its new features. It rocks like mad, and I do prefer linux to Solaris.
No large enterprise on the planet is all of anything; even Microsoft got caught running linux and a BSD variant at times. So let's get over the notion that one guy out of 120,000 may not like linux so much yet still have it in his corporate environment?
Oh, and I use linux daily in my work at EDS, just to be clear on the subject, and rarely touch Solaris.

More fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981534)

Check out the http://www.nmcibreakroom.com/index.php [nmcibreakroom.com] NMCI Breakroom where we talk about this very crappy company.

the facts (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11981560)

i) EDS are a fucking joke. Check their track record on UK Government projects if you don't believe me.

ii) anyone who thinks linux offers security and stability unavailable elsewhere has never seen Unix before.

Lemme guess... (1)

agraupe (769778) | more than 9 years ago | (#11981609)

They didn't receive the promised cheque from Microsoft, and, as such, has a spontaneous bout of truth-telling.
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