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Kubuntu, ArkLinux Announce KDE 3.4-Based Releases

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the by-any-other-name dept.

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arexx writes "Kubuntu, the new Linux flavour based on the fast-climbing Ubuntu but with a KDE desktop as standard has reached its first preview release, with the first full release due next month. ISOs and torrents are available for all major architectures from cdimage.ubuntu.com. Kubuntu is the first distribution to ship with the new KDE 3.4, released just two days ago. Existing Ubuntu users can grab KDE 3.4 with a quick and customarily painless 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' in the nearest terminal window." Kubuntu isn't alone, though: as reader fixertechno puts it, "After 3 years of development, testing, and me waiting patiently, the first stable release of Ark Linux has been released; Bero's announcement is here. Ark Linux is a KDE based desktop version of Linux with similar goals of 'it just works' to Ubuntu Linux. If you've been waiting to try Ark Linux -- or any Linux distribution for that matter, now's the time!"

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Krrrbu what? (-1, Offtopic)

cspring007 (705809) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987171)

If i cant spell it, i wont use it.

Re:Krrrbu what? (0, Offtopic)

Spodlink05 (850651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987376)

If i cant spell it, i wont use it.

Dildo is easy to spell.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987172)

FP

Oh yes (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987177)

Slashdot reaches a new low in its KDE obsession. Next up: what KDE developer had for lunch and how often they take a dump.

Re:Oh yes (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987191)

Another K-name! The Ubuntu guys spent time coming up with an interesting and original name -- and now the famously unimaginative KDE lot just stick a fucking K on the front. You know, you ought to be ashamed.

Re:Oh yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987215)

Another K-name! The Ubuntu guys spent time coming up with an interesting and original name -- and now the famously unimaginative KDE lot just stick a fucking K on the front.


How about 3 K's : KKKlinux, KKKnode, KKKmail and KKKonsole ? Would that be novel?

Re:Oh yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987249)

No. Novell Evolution. Now that is novel...

How about. (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987328)

Not using the "K" at all,so you dont have a clue if its a KDE complient application.

Dont like the K, dont use K-apps.

Re:How about. (1)

Veamon (733329) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987441)

Yesss! ANOTHER Distro...as if one crappy one wasn't enough....

Re:Oh yes (0, Offtopic)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987438)


Next up: what KDE developer had for lunch and how often they take a dump.


Nah - that's already been done. Timothy is just
getting ready to post of a dupe of that.

Re:Oh yes (1)

tackat (133183) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987879)

1) Thai Food
2) dict: dump

Kubuntu is a word! (4, Informative)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987187)

Before anybody starts up with the name, let me quickly quote the Kubuntu FAQ:

What does kubuntu mean?
It means "towards humanity" in Bemba.

Re:Kubuntu is a word! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987206)

Yeah sure... and that was, like, what the lamers were thinking when they suggested the name, It's more likely that they did their usual pathetic trick of shoving a K in the front of the name and then went searching for something to justify. I hear that Kontact means "the enlightened one" in Klingon.

Re:Kubuntu is a word! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987263)

It means "towards humanity" in Bemba.

Anyone else annoyed at how how pretentious some people/distro's are? I know debian/*ubunto/gentoo has some good people behind them, but so many are on a religious crusade to kill the rest of us capitalist loving pigs who use suse/redhat/mandrake.

Re:Kubuntu is a word! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987269)

Huh?
Forgotten to take your pills?

Re:Kubuntu is a word! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987335)

silence, you may upset god. god runs gubunto btw.

Re:Kubuntu is a word! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987449)

That is a major loss for jesux

Re:Kubuntu is a word! (3, Informative)

zecg (521666) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987292)

It's nice that both Ubuntu and Kubuntu have meaning and that they both imply humanity.

Ubuntu = humanity towards others Kubuntu = towards humanity

Re:Kubuntu is a word! (-1, Redundant)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988164)

And, in my opinion, utterly meaningless when it comes to what counts, the actual technical merits of a distro. I really find it kind of stomach turning.

Re:Kubuntu is a word! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987568)

Great, now what the fuck is Bemba?

When did I miss the boat from Slashdot land to African linguisticville (I'm guessing to what Bemba is; I'll look it up later)? You gave the definition to keep people from thinking it's a fake word then expect us to know what Bemba is.

Re:Kubuntu is a word! (4, Informative)

Trailwalker (648636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987760)

Great, now what the fuck is Bemba?
Here [worldlanguage.com] Windows is available in Bemba.

Re:Kubuntu is a word! (1)

Tab is on Slashdot (853634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988060)

How konvenient!

K German obsession (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11988631)

Where does this K German obsession come from?. I think Romans did not even use K, it is a German invention.

afrolinux (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987189)

is there a distro that calls itself "afrolinux" or "ninux" or "libwackix" ?

Re:afrolinux (0, Redundant)

Spodlink05 (850651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987361)


We need more Linux distros. They're rare.

Re:afrolinux (1)

andr0meda (167375) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987392)



We need more Linux distros. They're rare.


No, they are straaaaaange.

Finally (2, Funny)

nekoes (613370) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987198)

Another linux distribution! ::cool::

Re:Finally (1)

shadowdata (804281) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988062)

yup ... more the better... but different philosophies pls ... if all want to be new redhat then we are going to be doomed... luckily ubuntu is very very clean so i am expecting kubuntu to be very clean as well :P more power to the astronaut!!!

One less thing for users to whine about... (4, Interesting)

RichKyanka (837066) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987201)

Even though Ubuntu provides the best Gnome desktop available people have always whined about lack of proper KDE support in Ubuntu. Now, people will be able to come to Ubuntu for their KDE desktop needs. From my testing on my laptop, it is top notch.

Re:One less thing for users to whine about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987223)

It should be noted that this is not an "official" ubuntu project. Much the the OpenOffice KDE integration, it's a couple of KDE superfans making big announcements.

Re:One less thing for users to whine about... (2, Informative)

tackat (133183) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987971)

Kubuntu looks to me very much like an "official"
ubuntu project:
* There are Canonical employees who have been hired to work on Kubuntu,
* KDE is not in universe but in main (which means it's officially supported)
* and as far as I know Mark Shuttleworth encouraged work on Kubuntu and seems to be quite happy with the current result (especially with Kubuntu's attractive konqi models).

Re:One less thing for users to whine about... (1)

tackat (133183) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988114)

Additionally I'd like to mention that
* You need Kubuntu to get http://www.ubuntu.com rendered standards compliant correctly (including shadows).

Re:One less thing for users to whine about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11988009)

The next group will be XFCE users (like me). I am waiting for XFubuntu. Then Blackbox users can whine for Bubuntu. What aboot Enlightenment or IceWM? Maybe someday they will just give everyone the option to pick whatever window manager that they prefer like almost every other distro. Actually I really don't care if they give us a choice, but I would prefer if Ubuntu users toned down the sales pitch. Even gentoo users have stopped butting into every discussion saying how cool they are. There is room for all kinds of distributions and people can choose what works best for them. That is the best thing aboot linux. I get the opportunity to choose what I think is best, not what someone tells me I have to use.

to avoid misunderstood (5, Informative)

netdur (816698) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987205)

kubuntu is not based on ubuntu, kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE instead of gnome, it's from the same ubuntu team, anyway kubuntu mean "to humanity", it's real word

Re:to avoid misunderstood (3, Funny)

tquinlan (868483) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987279)

Does that mean there's a Gubuntu? ;)

Re:to avoid misunderstood (3, Informative)

LifesizeKenDoll (783854) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987299)

Does that mean there's a Gubuntu? ;)

Gubuntu is not a real word, unlike Ubuntu and Kubuntu. Ubuntu normal is based on Gnome, whereas Ubuntu-KDE or Kubuntu is based on KDE.

Re:to avoid misunderstood (3, Funny)

rayde (738949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987326)

don't you mean GNU/Ubuntu? ;-)

Re:to avoid misunderstood (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987456)

> don't you mean GNU/Kubuntu? ;-)

GNU towards humanity?

Re:to avoid misunderstood (1)

dont_think_twice (731805) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988352)

Why is this funny? Do slashdotters really think that simply putting GNU in front of any word automatically makes it funny?

Re:to avoid misunderstood (1)

fLameDogg (866748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988431)

Only the moderators, apparently.

Re:to avoid misunderstood (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987297)

Little known fact: kubuntu means to defecate.

Re:to avoid misunderstood (1)

netdur (816698) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987351)

> Little known fact: kubuntu means to defecate.
oh really? [kde.org]

Re:to avoid misunderstood (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987555)

Little known fact: kubuntu means to defecate.

Yes... towards humanity.

Re:to avoid misunderstood (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987419)

and ubuntu is based on Debian :)

Kubuntu (4, Interesting)

LifesizeKenDoll (783854) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987277)

I've tried Kubuntu out, it's very nice, although not perfect, but such things should be fixed by release (1 month).

I use Ubuntu normally, and I feel Kubuntu is very important, because it allows those who prefer KDE to use Ubuntu as well.

I'm just hoping there'll be a Xubuntu or something like it with XFCE

Re:Kubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987389)

No Firefox in the installation. That guaranteed removal right there.

Kynaptic is more than lame, it's offensive. Look at the new synaptic that comes with Ubuntu Hoary, now that's apt-get done right.

Re:Kubuntu (4, Interesting)

bman08 (239376) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987466)

I'm annoyed that kubuntu has to be themed in blue. Everyone bitches about Ubuntu being brown, but it's distinctive. I wish these guys could get on the same branding bandwagon as the rest of the Ubuntu team.

Re:Kubuntu (2, Funny)

Jellybob (597204) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987866)

apt-get install xfce not good enough for you?

Re:Kubuntu (1)

LifesizeKenDoll (783854) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987896)

But I want to adhere to the Ubuntu philosophy, I'd like to have a CD with just XFCE on it, along with various Gtk (not Gnome) apps - for lightweight desktops.

Re:Kubuntu (2, Informative)

outZider (165286) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987964)

heh. apt-get install xfce4 did wonders for me. ;) For extra good times, add the repositories off the xfce site for the most up to date xfce. :)

That's great for (k)Ubuntu (2, Informative)

kusanagi374 (776658) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987287)

Since Ubuntu is Debian's newer brother, it's great to see that they are coming up with different project to cover different needs, just like Debian. Debian covers the portability front (with loads of different ports working just the same way on different architectures), and Ubuntu the usability front with both KDE, Gnome and soon other ambients as well (XFCE and others).

Before people go like "Why doesn't Canonical make one cd with both KDE and Gnome?", let me put it this way: the same reason why they don't make one big DVD like Fedora. Read their FAQ ;)

Ark has a long way to go (4, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987298)

I just had a look at the screenshot for the 'easy to use' network config dialog. It lists nice clueless user friendly things like

eth0 running Ethernet adapter
lo running Loopback adapter

All of which is perfectly clear to the average end user so presumably this is why there is no help button. And they seem to have a problem spelling associated, there was no z in it last time I looked.

So after a very very brief look I dont see anything particularly user friendly but I do see sloppiness.

Re:Ark has a long way to go (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987323)

"And they seem to have a problem spelling associated, there was no z in it last time I looked. "

Must be the american spelling ;-)

Re:Ark has a long way to go (3, Insightful)

ctid (449118) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987356)

I just had a look at the screenshot for the 'easy to use' network config dialog. It lists nice clueless user friendly things like

eth0 running Ethernet adapter
lo running Loopback adapter

All of which is perfectly clear to the average end user so presumably this is why there is no help button.

I think you're being pretty harsh here. It's years since I looked at a network setup screen on my linux boxes; nowadays all that just seems to work immediately after installation. I suspect that the only people who use such tools are experts. As for the spelling thing, who cares? It's not as if anyone would fail to see what is meant by the word. The guy has created a whole distribution. I am personally prepared to overlook the odd spelling mistake from someone who offers me so much of his time for nothing.

Re:Ark has a long way to go (5, Informative)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987360)

I've downloaded the kubuntu preview today and it had neither a graphical network configuration client (you could install one from a different repository but a lack of answers in the channel leads me to the conclusion that there's no gui way to change repositories) nor a way to change the (apparently hardcoded) settings for your monitor (I had to switch to a different virtual terminal, stop kdm, adjust xorg.conf and restart kdm to get 1280x1024 at a reasonable refresh) while the ark screenshots at least make me hopeful that it offers just that.

Oh and they should really disable kde's ipv6 support by default, it makes some web pages incredibly slow because afaik it spams your nameserver with ipv6 lookups and it can be disabled with a simple environment var (reuters.com took 40s (!!!) to load with standard kubuntu and 6-7 with the variable set). I've already written that in the channel and I'm also aware that I've tested a preview version and I am hopeful that they'll do a lot of polishing in the weeks ahead. Just wanted to mention it.

Re:Ark has a long way to go (2, Informative)

knipknap (769880) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987908)

I've downloaded the kubuntu preview today and it had neither a graphical network configuration client (you could install one from a different repository but a lack of answers in the channel leads me to the conclusion that there's no gui way to change repositories)

In Ubuntu Hoary you can use the (GNOME-based) Ubuntu Update Manager to add new repositories, it is installed by default. (System -> Administration -> Ubuntu Update Manager, in the new dialog click 'Preferences')

You can also run 'gnome-software-properties' on the command line directly. (or 'update-manager')

Re:Ark has a long way to go (5, Insightful)

darthpenguin (206566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987364)

While I won't argue with you about general sloppiness (I've never tried out that distro), I think it's necessary to understand that only a certain level of "clueless user friendly things" can be allowed.

The dialog you mentioned (link [arklinux.org] ) labels the eth0 interface as "ethernet adapter". How much more abstraction can you expect? Should it be labeled "thingy that lets your magic number-adding box 'talk' to other magic number-adding boxes through a metal wire which fits into a rectangular-like hole in the back of both boxes"?

At some point, you have to expect the user to know what they're doing, or expect them to learn something. There is no way around that, short of having someone knowledgable literally hand-hold them through every step.

Re:Ark has a long way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987649)

thats what us tech support people do, it helps if you identify it by shape, you say ethernet jack looks like a big phone jack , so it should say

eth0 Big Phone jack

Re:Ark has a long way to go (1)

Bero (93841) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987920)

Good idea, IF you happen to be located in an area where a phone jack looks a lot like an ethernet jack --- a German newbie would spent ages looking for something on his computer that looks like a bigger [German] phone jack and then conclude he doesn't have an ethernet adapter.

(And attaching the description to the selected language is dangerous too, the phone jack comparison does work in the German speaking part of Switzerland for example)

Re:Ark has a long way to go (4, Informative)

Bero (93841) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987899)

Thanks for the bug report! We've fixed the typo in the network config in current CVS, so feel free to update (and given the fact the tool was written by a German guy and a Swiss guy, enjoy the fact that the English translation works, apart from a typo ;) ).

As for "Ethernet adapter" etc. being too hard to understand, this is quite possibly right, but how do you want to manually configure a network without knowing what it is?

We'd be glad to hear of possible fixes for the next release.

Re:Ark has a long way to go (2, Interesting)

knipknap (769880) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988012)

This [debain.org] is how GNOME does it.

So "eth0" is still visible, though it looks a bit easier since it's only a subtitle.

kubuntu-default-settings (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987321)

To get the full Kubuntu feeling (like themed kdm, Kubuntu wallpaper etc.) and not pure KDE 3.4 alone you have to "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings" additionally/instead.

Re:kubuntu-default-settings (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987700)

That's actually wrong: you only need kubuntu-default-settings if you installed kde-core but kubuntu-desktop depends on kubuntu-default-settings.

Oops (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987325)

The whole purpose of Ubuntu having only Gnome is although choice is fine, a new user should be offered just Gnome, and is not to be bothered with any other desktop. Now the user is bothered with different ubuntu's before he/she even starts downloading or ordering a CD!

Even worse, when Kubunto _also_ gains popularity, people will be able to help each other less. Much like the MacOS and Windows debates, groups of people will form around these and they don't usually sit next to each other, helping others with the different desktop.

This is a big strength in the monopoly of Microsoft with their Windows. People are so used to seeing others who use Windows too, that they assume someone uses it when they see someone. I've lost count how many times people told me to click 'start' while I don't even have a menu button at all on my desktop.

But those people help each other a lot, and they're happy that way. When you say you don't have that, then first they think that you can't do what they do (whatever it is) and second, they think what you run sucks/is harder/ because, well actually, they're just computer illeterate most of the times.

However, I do not oppose the KDE project. But please, don't call this KDE-Ubuntu Kubuntu. Call it something else, because it's _NOT_ ubuntu. That way, it'll just mix into the usual browser war of mandrake/suse/redhat/etc. Thats something that we wont get rid of anytime soon, but one more or less probably doesnt hurt that much.

SuSE Linux Professional and SuSE Linux Personal is ok, people can understand that, and they _both_ use KDE, only personal has no development stuff and other, more advanced stuff.
This is different.

Re:Oops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11988076)

Thank you for your post! I don't understand why so many Linux distros are out there today. Fine, learn Linux, make your own Linux - from - Scratch, but I dont think adding KDE to Ubuntu warrants another freakin distro.

I think people should spend thier time supporting Linux by teaming up with good distros and making them stronger.

Kubuntu Preview Screenshots (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987336)

shots.osdir.com [osdir.com]

Dup Number 3 (0)

trans_err (606306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987375)

Timothy is on a roll this is dup number 2!
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/16/ 1928222&tid=121&tid=106&tid=7 [slashdot.org]

We should just copy and paste all of our old comments over? Why beat a dead horse?

Re:Dup Number 3 (0)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987415)


We should just copy and paste all of our old comments over? Why beat a dead horse?


I am just going to copy paste the high rated
comments outthere to improve my karma.

Re:Dup Number 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987425)

If you had bothered to read the title, you would see that this is annoucing releases of some distros which happen to contain KDE-3.4. It is not announcing the release of KDE 3.4 itself.

Just for clarification: (5, Informative)

stanthegoomba (805724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987380)

Kubuntu is not just a derivative of Ubuntu like many Debian based distros. Kubuntu and Ubuntu are not meant to be separate, competing distros. In fact they are basically the same thing- you can apt-get install KDE in Ubuntu and Gnome in Kubuntu. The main difference is that Ubuntu COMES with Gnome and Kubuntu COMES with kde, instead of the Ubuntu team providing multiple CD's like most distros. Kubuntu FAQ [kubuntu.org.uk]

Re:Just for clarification: (1)

persaud (304710) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987585)

Ubuntu COMES with Gnome and Kubuntu COMES with kde, instead of the Ubuntu team providing multiple CD's like most distros.
Ah, why provide multiple CDs when you can provide multiple distros?

Re:Just for clarification: (1)

xoboots (683791) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988063)

"Ah, why provide multiple CDs when you can provide multiple distros?"

Funny, yes, true, not quite. Kubuntu uses the same repositories as Ubuntu. The difference between the two is the default desktop.

As it happens, my favourite way of installing Ubuntu is to do a server install (which is a minimal install with no desktop and no X) and then apt-get the desktop of my choice if I need one on that machine. The point is that I can choose either Gnome or KDE from the official Ubuntu repositories. Of course, I'm fortunate enough to have a high-speed internet connection which makes such a choice reasonable.

I don't really see the need for the two names which I think causes confusion; however, considering that Ubuntu is "officially" a Gnome desktop distro and the fact that the KDE community has an affinity for putting K in front of everything I do see the logic in it.

It is nice to learn that Kubuntu is actually a "real" word (somewhere) and that it means essentially the same thing as Ubuntu. Humanity towards others. What a delightful concept!

Re:Just for clarification: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987608)

In fact they are basically the same thing

No, they are not.

apt-get'ing KDE in Ubuntu gets you KDE 3.2 (ANCIENT).

Kubuntu actually has KDE 3.4

Re:Just for clarification: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987852)

All the talk is about Ubuntu Hoary, not Ubuntu Warty

Hippie Linux? (4, Interesting)

PocketPick (798123) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987412)

Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to bash Ubuntu Linux (I'm sure it's a fine distribution), but don't others find the whole "Ubuntu Linux brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world" seem kinda hokey. I mean, I'm all for a user-accessible Linux accessible distribution but the whole idea of "Peace, Love, and Linux" just reeks of marketing gone wrong.

Re:Hippie Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987588)

its a good distro but a dumb name and ugly color theme, trying telling your boss that windows sucks and he should switch to ubuntu , he will give you a weird look

Re:Hippie Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987600)

Free speech, free love, free software.

Re:Hippie Linux? (1)

shadowdata (804281) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988091)

why not ? In fact , I like your phrase "Peace , Love and , and Linux" .. lol :P good job dude!

Re:Hippie Linux? (1)

Pandora's Vox (231969) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988423)

the hokeyness does do a lot though to make ubuntu more accessible to Joe or Jane Luser. i've already put several of my friends on it who would never have gone near linux otherwise... explained to them how to ask smart questions, and sent them to #ubuntu on freenode... and they are happy as can be :-)

Re:Hippie Linux? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11988475)

i've already put several of my friends on it who would never have gone near linux otherwise... explained to them how to ask smart questions, and sent them to #ubuntu on freenode... and they are happy as can be :-)


Funny, I just point my friends and relatvies to #debian on just about any IRC network, and for some reason I never hear from them again. ;)

Re:Hippie Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11988463)

Who thought of the idea of having a company called "Microsoft"? Sure, it's related to "microcomputer software", but in reality it sounds like a comment about Bill Gates' winkle. ;)

yay more fragmentation (1)

hyperstation (185147) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987443)

reminds me of that very old ben franklin engraving - join or die [earlyamerica.com] .

Re:yay more fragmentation (1)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987639)

With both versions being released by the same people, as a free choice, this is not what that old engraving was about. Now distros taking opposing sides on the whole KDE-Gnome flamewar is just the sort of behavior that the hacked up serpent was meant to symbolize, and oppose. Ubuntu is actually taking this step to avoid making the very mistake for which you are criticising them.

Ubuntu + KDE (2, Insightful)

puiahappy (855662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987447)

I am a big fan of the KDE Descktop and i am very happy to hear that ubuntu is having a release whit a kde desktop, Ubuntu Linux speed combined whit the beauty of KDE can bring this lilte distro to get listed in the major distro`s category. I am hoping the best for Ubuntu, i realy enjoy it.

Speed (-1, Flamebait)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987476)

Anyone want to comment on KDE speed (out of the box for your favourite distro)? At the moment its totally un-usable on all but the fastest machine because of program loading time for one.. is it better now?

Re:Speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987577)

I'm running on a PIII 750, and KDE 3.4 (default settings) feels just as responsive as gnome 2.10.

I'm running ubuntu (hoary) with the kubuntu-desktop package installed. Everything felt really sluggish but that was until I disabled CPU throttling which isn't working well for me at the moment.

Running KDE 3.4 on Arch (1)

soloport (312487) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987591)

Have moved over to Arch Linux (from FC3) and have been running KDE3.4 for nearly a week. Have experienced quite a few speed improvements. Mostly what I've noticed, though, is the clean, impressive eyecandy. For my monitor and graphics card, it's the best looking Linux I've seen (old Sony 20" and cheap nVidia GForce w/64MB).

(Arch uses "rolling" releases. It's nice, too.)

Re:Speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987652)

Why does slasdot mod anything critical of a free program down? It's common knowledge that kde and gnome have tons of room to improve in the speed department.

It's deceptive. No better than lying. The community is giving the impression that GNU+linux will "revitalize old hardware" when that's just not true.

Facing faults is the only way to overcome them.

Modding true critical stuff down makes slashdot a FUD machine!

Re:Speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987872)

I put debian unstable with kde on my girlfriends computer, 350mhz 128mb ram, and it seems fine there.

Re:Speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987882)

Anyone want to comment on KDE speed (out of the box for your favourite distro)? At the moment its totally un-usable on all but the fastest machine because of program loading time for one.. is it better now?

So a Pentium 2 computer I got back in 1998 is "the fastest machine"? Because KDE has been very snappy since the 3.2 release on this machine with SuSE.

Re:Speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11988216)

I've just downloaded Ark Linux (figured it's easier to install a distribution that has it than upgrading mine), and I must say I'm impressed, it's much faster than KDE 3.3 on my Fedora install (My box is not exactly slow, but not high-end either, Celeron 1.4 GHz 256 MB RAM).

Transparency (1)

nrrrdboy (95022) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987550)

How do I turn on transparency with the LiveCD in KDE? Don't see the option...

Re:Transparency (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11987722)

a) Give the user a password (using sudo password ubuntu)
b) Edit xorg.conf to load Composite extension (using sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
c) Activate it in KDE ([x] Use transluency/shadows)
d) Logout
e) Login

Ubuntu (0, Redundant)

flibble-san (700028) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987643)

The name reminds me of a fruit flavoured soft drink that various animals drink "in the congo" Oh wait... that was Umbongo

Just got it last night... (3, Informative)

dcuny (613699) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987717)

To use a cliche - Move along, nothing to see here...

I really like the Ubuntu distro, and I'm seriously thinking of going that route with my next upgrade. Ubuntu really shows off the nice things about Gnome. (Except for the Human theme - give me Gorilla, please).

In contrast, the Kubuntu doesn't really show off much of the latest KDE release. I booted it up, had a look, and [i]Zzzzzzz[/i]. Heck, it hasn't even got any games! I rebooted, and wiped the .iso from my disk.

I'm hoping that someone else puts out a nice Live CD distro to show KDE off, but Kubuntu isn't it.

Real Question (0, Offtopic)

datadriven (699893) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987721)

Does anyone have any slackware packages for kDE 3.4

Re:Real Question (0, Offtopic)

SaDan (81097) | more than 9 years ago | (#11988276)

Ask around here: http://www.linuxpackages.net/

Or here: http://www.userlocal.com/

Rejoice Rejoice (1)

Rac3r5 (804639) | more than 9 years ago | (#11987739)

Just today morning, I was going over the Ubuntu live CD that I have at home and I was quite impressed. Very clean Gnome desktop. But then again, Gnome is a bit boring and I was disappointed that they had no KDE... and now they do. Yay :) I am happy again :). Alough a good UI is eye candy to some, a good UI is important to me when I'm coding. When I'm frustrated that my code doesn't work, that last thing I need to see is some dull UI that makes me even sadder.. :p

Note to Editor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11988251)

Please, sack this "timothy" character, we are quite fed-up with constant duplications of old news. In fact, sack 'em all! Plankton can do a better job of deciding what is new news and what is old news..

minus 5, Trol7) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11988444)

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