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Internet Access 10 Kilometers High Up In The Air

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the well-isn't-that-special dept.

Wireless Networking 366

Marton writes "Lufthansa started rolling out their Flynet service in 2004. It is now available on several long-haul flights such as 411D - the one I'm sitting on right now. It is not cheap ($30 for the duration of a flight) nor is it very fast (satellite-based technology can't deliver the snappy response you are used to on the ground) but it is really, really nice. It's great to be able to check my email, catch up with some work, or just surf the web - airplane time used to be about napping, paperbacks or crappy movies. Now if only they'd let me have a cigarette I could actually be productive too. " Marton also gave us a traceroute which is attached... I'm going to Tokyo in May and crying that Northwest won't have this.

Here's a traceroute from my laptop which is currently on an A-340 10,000 meters up in the air, doing about 800 kilometers per hour, somewhere over the Atlantic bound for Munich.


C:\Documents and Settings\Marton>tracert www.slashdot.org

Tracing route to www.slashdot.org [66.35.250.151]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 3 ms 2 ms 172.16.64.1
2 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms cbb-cds-psn.by.boeing [172.16.0.18]
3 3 ms 4 ms 2 ms sbs.by.boeing [172.31.0.1]
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 568 ms 626 ms 576 ms 10.8.20.38
6 703 ms 567 ms 583 ms ltn02r03-vlan25.connexionbyboeing.net [10.8.20.2]
7 580 ms 705 ms 582 ms ltn02r21-fa2-9.connexionbyboeing.net [10.8.16.25]
8 627 ms 582 ms 632 ms 10.8.16.33
9 579 ms 581 ms 581 ms ltn02r01-fa3-3.connexionbyboeing.net [10.8.16.130]
10 619 ms 582 ms 582 ms ltn02r02-fa3-3.connexionbyboeing.net [10.8.16.131]
11 581 ms 582 ms 665 ms 12.125.155.5
12 655 ms 912 ms 1072 ms gbr1-a31s1.dvmco.ip.att.net [12.127.4.134]
13 1144 ms 1612 ms 1939 ms gbr1-p60.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.1.29]
14 1500 ms 712 ms 580 ms tbr2-p013301.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.12.133]
15 613 ms 579 ms 582 ms 12.122.80.57
16 589 ms 608 ms 790 ms dcr1-so-3-0-0.sanfranciscosfo.savvis.net [192.205.32.110]
17 588 ms 605 ms 582 ms dcr2-loopback.SanFranciscosfo.savvis.net [206.24.210.100]
18 609 ms 1774 ms 1079 ms bhr1-pos-0-0.SantaClarasc8.savvis.net [208.172.156.198]
19 610 ms 968 ms 1108 ms csr1-ve243.SantaClarasc8.savvis.net [66.35.194.50]
20 1109 ms 886 ms 998 ms 66.35.212.174
21 630 ms 860 ms 994 ms star.slashdot.org [66.35.250.151]

Trace complete.

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NICE!! (3, Insightful)

rkv (852317) | more than 9 years ago | (#11990982)

if they made it a bit cheaper it would be better though?

Re:NICE!! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991017)

The typical price of the ticket is $600 economy to $3000 business... does another $30 for internet access really matter.

Re:NICE!! (5, Informative)

magarity (164372) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991040)

if they made it a bit cheaper it would be better though?

They have to make a trade off between making it so more people can afford it versus the relatively slow connection. If you're going to pay any noticable amount for such a small time frame as a single flight then you want to get your money's worth. If too many people use it then it slows to a crawl. Then everyone complains. Keeping the price high is a way of ensuring there is a reasonable amount of bandwidth to the few who do pay.

Re:NICE!! (4, Insightful)

mqx (792882) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991121)

if they made it a bit cheaper it would be better though?

Sure, and it be better if high-end computing servers were cheaper too, but really: a global plane based relatively high speed internetwork is not cheap to build and run: we're talking about fitting equipment into planes, trials and testing, satellite bandwidth, the cost of satellite services, etc. This is not inexpensive.

I actually think $30 is not too bad for what you're getting. It's not for everyone, but it's within the reach of many people, considering many of us think nothing about easily spending $30 on a restaurant meal.

Not only this, but international airlines are not actually loaded with revenue that they could absorb the cost of this service into existing price you pay, and really, I wouldn't want my mother (a non internet user) to pay higher trans-atlantic fares so that she can subsidise web browsers: user pays!

I'm sure we'll see the service expand and improve in the future, but for now, it's a fairly decent start. I'm not on a 6 figure salary, yet I'd have no problems paying for this service on the 2-3 12+ hour flights I make per year.

cool (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11990986)

cool

First comment (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11990987)

WOOOO!O!O!!! YEEHAR!!!!

If you need slashdot on a plane... (5, Funny)

PyWiz (865118) | more than 9 years ago | (#11990989)

...you might be addicted.

Re:If you need slashdot on a plane... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991112)

OK several million geek points out of ten,
but LEARN TO RELAX
There's nothing so important that it can't wait
until you get on the ground, check into your
hotel (or get home) and have some "me" time.
Then you'll be in a fit state to make mature
judgements.
The worst thing about business today is the
twitch decisions and responses people make
when they're tired/jet-lagged/drunk/caffeine o-d'd

Slashdot on a Plane (5, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991269)

Flight Attendant: "Sorry, sir. After you posted that message about the iPod on Slashdot, Cowboy Neal notified us to mod you down. You can't sit in first class anymore. Please find a seat in coach. Oh, and if you do it again? You will have to sit on the wing with the other gremlins. Gremlins? That is what we call trolls here. Look outside and you will see a few right now GNAA'ing on the wings."

Ob Simpsons... (0, Offtopic)

HungSoLow (809760) | more than 9 years ago | (#11990994)

"The government don't control the skies... you could live in a balloon!!"

Scandinavian Airlines have this already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11990996)

Scandinavian Airlines have had this too for some time on their very nice and quiet(!) Airbus flights from Seattle to Scandinavia (Copenhagen). I hope all you Microserfs out there go SAS!

Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (3, Funny)

flowerp (512865) | more than 9 years ago | (#11990999)

If cou can pay $30 for Internet, try paying $30 for smoking. Let's see how far that will get you.

Re:Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (1)

oniony (228405) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991073)

There was some guy that invented some device (a helmet if I remember correctly) that prevented the smoke from his cigarette escaping -- instead it was filtered from the air. He tried using it on a flight once and, despite his careful explanation, was forced to extinguish.

Now I'm not pro- nor anti-smoking but if it doesn't affect the other passengers I fail to see why it is not allowed.

Re:Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (1)

thebes (663586) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991097)

Because it is a flame on an airplane. See the problem?

Re:Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (2, Funny)

magarity (164372) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991160)

Because it is a flame on an airplane. See the problem?

Plenty of people smoked like chimneys from the days of the Ford Tri-Motor to the day before the bans went into effect. I don't think there are any cases of planes crashing or otherwise coming to harm because of cigarettes. It's just a case of a confined area with nowhere for the smoke to go except in everyone else's nose. As a non-smoker, I have to say that if smokers were willing to wear an enclosed helmet to smoke on planes, I'd be all in favor of it. Mainly for the comic relief value, but hey...

Re:Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (1)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991255)

I'm a non-smoker and I can tell you if a person is a smoker or not. They do smell like a dog without a nose.

Re:Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (-1)

mattyrobinson69 (751521) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991109)

I can think of the following reasons (disclaimer: im a smoker):

to pander to the 'smoking is bad and should be banned crowd'
to pander to the people who claim they can smell it once they find out somebody is smoking (just to be anal)
to pander to over the top fire safety rules, i imagine the airline would have to pay more insurance to allow this because of the 'fire hazard'

Re:Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991228)

your habit is bad for yourself and more importantly bad for other people. that's why it's gradually being made illegal. get over it.

Re:Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (4, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991244)

I dont think the safety rules are over the top. You are at 37,000 feet, if you have any sort of emergancy at that altitude its going to take you time to get on the ground, and then evacuate the aircraft, so its a case of limit dangers to only those necessary. Why endanger the aircraft needlessly jsut to pander to someones personal addiction, because thats what it is?

Re:Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (1)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991268)

to pander to the people who claim they can smell it once they find out somebody is smoking (just to be anal)

You got that wrong, we can smell and you stink. :) Then we ask you, politely, "are you a smoker?" and you say "yes" and we say "you stink", you say "you're saying that 'cause I just told you that I smoke", we say "no, you stink" and so on.

Re:Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (1)

Jicksta (760596) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991156)

In today's society on an airplane, even if had to smoke four packs a day, I certainly wouldn't want to pull out a lighter during a flight, much less use it.

You're liable to get a stun-gun fired into your chest, spend the rest of the flight in handcuffs in the back of the plane, and face criminal charges when you land-- thanks to these guys [monster.com] .

Re:Will $30 more also get you smoking rights? (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991237)

Now I'm not pro- nor anti-smoking but if it doesn't affect the other passengers I fail to see why it is not allowed. 1) How are the flight people supposed to know if the his helmet even works?

2) It's FEDERAL LAW. No one smokes on an airplane, period. Are they supposed to just throw away the law because some addicted nut pulls out a helmet?

3) Unless the helmet is a full-blown bubble over his head, I find it extremely unlikely the helmet captures 100% of the smoke.

Smoking "rights" (1, Insightful)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991153)

The problem with smoking "rights" is that the activity denies others rights: smoking is an activity typically forced on those nearby. Now, if you paid $30 to everyone in a 20 foot radius for the violating of forcing them to smoke every time you abuse tobacco by burning it, you might get somewhere. Everyone might win in this situation!

Until then, stop whining about being denied the "right" to force other people to consume deadly airborn carcinogens. If you need tobacco so bad, get some chew.

--let the flaming begin! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991000)

Be prepared for the hate mail as you are most obviously a windows user.

Re:--let the flaming begin! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991032)

What's even worse is that he's a smoker.

Re:--let the flaming begin! (1)

neithian (814705) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991065)

haha, yeah he should stop. :\

Re:--let the flaming begin! (1)

schestowitz (843559) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991131)

Okay, here's my opinion: Mistake #1: not erasing that first line which identifies the use of Windows Mistake #2: not omitting "napping, paperbacks or crappy movies" which indicates high tolerance for the dullest and most superficial activities.

Re:--let the flaming begin! (1)

SengirV (203400) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991184)

I know it's not terribly exciting, but I rather enjoy napping.

To each their own I guess.

tcptraceroute (2, Informative)

Barbarian (9467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991011)

Remember that some providers give UDP packets low priority. I'd be more impressed if he'd run tcptraceroute.

Re:tcptraceroute (1)

drdink (77) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991106)

Windows uses ICMP ECHO for tracerouting.

Re:tcptraceroute (1)

king_ramen (537239) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991111)

traceroute uses ICMP and not UDP. It is HIGHLY unlikely you'd see any noticable QoS difference (which basically only kicks in with congestions) after seeing the 600ms added by the satellite link clearly dominates the timescale.

Offtopic, but.. (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991154)

... Great SIG.

Does it ever work? - it had me puzzled for a while because I couldn't click on it...

ungrateful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991012)

erm //

'I'm going to Tokyo in May and crying that Northwest won't have this.'

a tad ungrateful? i'd just be happy to be visiting the land of the rising yen.

Boeing technology (5, Interesting)

thammoud (193905) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991016)

A link to the real provider to this technology.
http://www.connexionbyboeing.com/ [connexionbyboeing.com]

Re:Boeing technology (4, Funny)

Abstract_Me (799786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991062)

The article says its slow and expensive but the connexionbyboeing website advertises it being fast and cheap! which one do i beleive?!

Re:Boeing technology (4, Informative)

MathFox (686808) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991144)

If you've read the connexionbyboeing website a bit better: The plane has an 1 Mbit connection (or better). Unfortunately the data is routed via a satellite, so the link has pretty high latency.

One of my friends has downloaded a Knoppix CD on one of his transatlantic flights.

Re:Boeing technology (1)

Abstract_Me (799786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991168)

In korea sarcasm is for the elderly.

Re:Boeing technology (4, Funny)

magarity (164372) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991064)

I find it quite amusing that Connexion by Boeing is being used on an Airbus.

Is $30 really that bad? (4, Interesting)

Demonspawn (187073) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991019)

I havn't flown in a LONG time, so I don't know what the price would be for a long flight like the ones that have this service. I realize compared to the prices of ground service it's horably expensive (vs. a month long contract), but thinking of it as an 'add on' to the ticket, what percentage of the ticket cost is it? If you are dealing with a $300 ticket, then it's only a 10% rider.

Of course, if you are taking one of those $59 flights I see advertised, you'd be thinking the cost is insane.

Re:Is $30 really that bad? (1)

antiaktiv (848995) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991068)

Cheap flights are generally short flights. This would really only be interesting on a long haul 6 hours+ flight, that are quite expensive to begin with. Still, I wouldn't pay $30 for a couple of hours of internet access. I really like the power outlets a lot of airlines are introducing though. On longer flights, like the ones I fly between Sweden and California fairly often, my laptop has a painfully short battery life.

get a thinnet client (1)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991233)

get a ce device with 800X600 or better resolution, and terminal services..

get a smartpanel... like a viewsonic v150

5-11 hr batterylife- runs YOUR desktop over wifi
the aforementioned airpanel ONLY runs remotedesktop (without hacks) but ce devices run other apps when not connected as well..

add a HMD with it's own powersupply, and have 10-20 hrs battery life..

Re:Is $30 really that bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991088)

Check out the pricing [connexionbyboeing.com] .

Looks like $30 is for the long flights over 6 hours. Only $15 for flights under 3 hours.

Re:Is $30 really that bad? (1)

thammoud (193905) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991232)

The rates from the Boeing website:

Pricing

Connexion by Boeing has created two attractive pricing packages that offer affordable choice and flexibility for your time in the air. All pricing shown in US dollars.

Internet Flight
Complete and unlimited freedom to use our service at any time during your flight leg. Sign in and out as often as you like.

$14.95 for service on short-haul flights under 3 hours
$19.95 for service on medium-haul flights between 3 to 6 hours
$29.95 for service on long-haul flights over 6 hours

Internet Minutes
Metered access for your flight leg. Go online for 30 minutes to use your e-mail or chat with friends back home. After 30 minutes, each additional minute is only $0.25. If you plan on going online more than once, or for longer periods, our unlimited Internet Flight package will offer a better value.

$7.95 initial fee for service on short flights under 3 hours
$9.95 initial fee for service on medium and long flights over 3 hours

Method of Payment
You can use your credit card or bill your use of our service through your voice and data provider. On select airlines, you may also be able to pay with your frequent flyer miles.

Sheesh, there goes more non-availability time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991024)

Dammit, I don't need to be connected all the time, and now businesses will make their employees be on-line during flights working, bah!

Mile High Club? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991025)

For all the slashdot geeks flying on Lufthansa, this also gives you the opportunity to join the mile high club - solo!

streaming movies.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991026)

In reference to: http://slashdot.org/articles/05/03/20/1417233.shtm l?tid=186

would it be possible for the airlines to gain access to this sat. network and stream on request movies to the passenger? might make a nice change to those "crappy" films you refered to

Re:streaming movies.. (1)

luvirini (753157) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991140)

Some of the newer inflight enteetainment systems seem to allready be quite nice. I recently flew an Emirates flight in economy and you could select from 15 movies, about 20 games, 30+ radio channels, couple dozen Audio books and some others. All the movies were fully rewindable, stoppable and so on. Defnitely enough stuff for atleast few flights.

VoIP (2, Insightful)

NetStatic (86649) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991028)

It would be interesting, once the latency goes down a bit, if you could run VoIP over the connection, bringing cheap(er) phone services. Those Verizon Airphones are really expensive.

Re:VoIP (1)

NickisGod.com (453769) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991063)

It would be interesting, once the latency goes down a bit, if you could run VoIP over the connection, bringing cheap(er) phone services. Those Verizon Airphones are really expensive.

Maybe using simplex.

Satellite = Latency.

Re:VoIP (3, Funny)

melonman (608440) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991147)

once the latency goes down a bit

What, when the speed of light increases a bit? I'm typing this on a terrestial satellite connection, and that's about the latency you get.

You can do VoIP over this sort of connection, you just have to get used to the fact that there's about a second's lag, and, if you can hear yourself on the remote speakers, a 2-second echo.

Here's part of my traceroute...

3 firewall (192.168.1.1) 3.067 ms 7.553 ms 12.684 ms
4 172.31.254.253 (172.31.254.253) 4.062 ms 5.199 ms 6.160 ms
5 172.16.128.19 (172.16.128.19) 631.013 ms 583.867 ms 1562.693 ms
6 172.16.64.61 (172.16.64.61) 1658.335 ms 1537.707 ms 1099.666 ms
7 172.16.100.1 (172.16.100.1) 1156.839 ms 1302.108 ms 1372.232 ms
8 iamrt01p.idc.aramiska.net (172.16.101.254) 794.488 ms 528.926 ms 569.041 ms
9 213.181.59.142 (213.181.59.142) 602.372 ms 606.007 ms 732.337 ms
10 cbu-pcbru11-pecbru21-pos31.car.belbone.be (213.181.59.198) 707.791 ms 782.617 ms 619.338 ms
11 so-6-1-2-bcr1.bru.cw.net (206.24.147.189) 743.572 ms 759.283 ms 732.355 ms
12 so-5-1-0-dcr2.par.cw.net (195.2.10.34) 906.991 ms 770.496 ms 628.550 ms
13 as0-dcr1.par.cw.net (195.2.10.161) 904.086 ms 658.604 ms 1547.670 ms
14 so-0-0-0-dcr1.was.cw.net (195.2.10.117) 670.472 ms 822.322 ms 698.954 ms
15 dcr1-so-2-0-0.Washington.savvis.net (206.24.238.17) 620.367 ms 654.039 ms 711.492 ms
16 dcr2-loopback.SanFranciscosfo.savvis.net (206.24.210.100) 848.040 ms 795.551 ms 879.444 ms
17 bhr1-pos-0-0.SantaClarasc8.savvis.net (208.172.156.198) 1360.829 ms 994.331 ms 758.175 ms
18 csr1-ve240.SantaClarasc8.savvis.net (66.35.194.34) 1306.824 ms 1061.993 ms 861.418 ms
19 66.35.212.174 (66.35.212.174) 1148.671 ms 1076.630 ms 696.751 ms
20 slashdot.org (66.35.250.150) 983.516 ms 1103.163 ms 778.011 ms

I'll stick with the crappy movie... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991030)

...or some good old-fashioned chill time. $30 for 1 second of latency to check some boring email or add to the surfing I spend too much time doing on the ground? No thank you.

Skynet anyone? (4, Funny)

Billy_D_Goat (589293) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991037)

Would this be any relation to Skynet perhaps? Flynet: Skynet's little sister.

0wned! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991047)


Well, you should have updated you XP to SP2 before putting you IP address on /. dude!

Now let us see if we can crank up the volume and start playing back those interesting "documentaries" you've got in:

c:\Program Files\Accounting\Private\Pervysnsluts_2004_njr_rel .avi

Heh (5, Funny)

tmasky (862064) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991049)

I wonder who's insecure laptop is going to join the Mile High club first.

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991126)

fscked at 30K feet?

Mwuhahahahha (2, Funny)

evil-osm (203438) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991057)

ping -f -s1460 172.16.64.1

Re:Mwuhahahahha (4, Insightful)

raju1kabir (251972) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991074)

ping -f -s1460 172.16.64.1

Um, you do know what network 172.16 is in, right? Next will you be launching a DOS against 127.0.0.1?

Re:Mwuhahahahha (1)

evil-osm (203438) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991102)

It was intended as a joke, not really expecting someone to analize it, or even try it.

Re:Mwuhahahahha (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991076)

ping -f -s1460 172.16.64.1

Congrats on flooding your own router with packets it doesn't know where to send.

Re:Mwuhahahahha (1)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991104)

Nice work.

172.16 is a private class B IP address, like 10.x.x.x is class A and 192.168.x.x is class B. You've just unleashed a packet storm on your own subnet that will never pass the first router.

Re:Mwuhahahahha (1)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991116)

er...192.168.x.x is class C. Sorry for that typo.

Re:Mwuhahahahha (4, Informative)

drdink (77) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991157)

Please stop propagating the myth of classful routing. 172.16.0.0 is neither class B, class C, or any other class. It is 172.16.0.0/12. This is CIDR (Classless Inter-Domain Routing). Please see RFC 1519 [faqs.org] about CIDR and RFC 3330 [faqs.org] about 172.16.0.0/12 and other special use IP addresss.

Re:Mwuhahahahha (0, Redundant)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991229)

Gee, thanks for correcting me!!

I bet you're a loty of fun at parties, huh?

Re:Mwuhahahahha (1)

Evo (37507) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991172)

Nice try. People like you are why filters are so frequently defined wrongly on routers these days.

The actual (RFC1918) private address spaces are:

10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix)
172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix)
192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix)

Note that the 192.168/16 range was a range of class C space, not class B.. not that classes have really existed for a long time.

Re:Mwuhahahahha (1)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991256)

You'll note my reply to myself where I said that 192.168 is class C.

Explain to me why *I'm* the problem with routers? Because a post to Slashdot didn't include that specific information? Whatever.

Re:Mwuhahahahha (3, Funny)

BLAG-blast (302533) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991105)

ping -f -s1460 172.16.64.1

Nooooooooooooooooooooo! That's my IP address dude!

Reply to my own comment Re:Mwuhahahahha (1)

evil-osm (203438) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991117)

It was intended as a joke, not really expecting someone to analize it, or even try it. Laugh it up folks, relax its Sunday! :)

Re:Mwuhahahahha (1)

thammoud (193905) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991180)

Tracing route to 172.16.64.1 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms aliia [192.168.1.1]
deleted 2 for timeout
3 14 ms 11 ms 22 ms 68.87.227.13
4 21 ms 8 ms 9 ms 68.87.229.161
5 17 ms 15 ms 16 ms 12.125.194.13
6 20 ms 28 ms 23 ms 12.123.4.230
7 22 ms 24 ms 22 ms tbr2-cl1.dtrmi.ip.att.net [12.122.10.133]
8 28 ms 21 ms 23 ms gar3-p390.dtrmi.ip.att.net [12.123.139.58]
9 26 ms 27 ms 24 ms 172.16.64.1

Re:Mwuhahahahha (1)

saskboy (600063) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991216)

" 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms aliia [192.168.1.1]"

I just hacked that network, you didn't even have a firewall or anything!

Sw33t!!!

In-flight pr0n (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991069)

So now you can access http://www.domai.com/ [domai.com] at cruising altitude, excuse yourself to the lavatory, and join the Self-Mile-High Club. Awesome.

!!! NSFW !!! -nt (0, Offtopic)

AndreyF (701606) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991231)

no text

Back in September... (2, Interesting)

beebware (149208) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991070)

When I went to Tokyo from Heathrow, London, UK via Munich, Germany - the Munich to Tokyo flight (all the route was by Luthansa German Airlines), they had wireless internet access by Boeing Connexions. If you look out at airport (Munich had them in September when I flew), you may be able to get a $10 free internet access voucher. Just a quick note: The internet access is WiFi, so you will need an appropriate Wifi card - I took plenty of network cables, but my Wifi card for my laptop was "faulty" so I didn't have any internet access :( . It's worth also pointing out that at least in "cattle class" (I can't say for Business or First class), there are NO charging points, so make sure you have plenty of battery power.

Re:Back in September... (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991108)

It's worth also pointing out that at least in "cattle class" there are NO charging points,

Be more selective about what flight you take. Older planes have none, but most newer ones have 12v adapters in CC every third row or so. Pick your plane and pick your seat and you can have power in the cheap section.

The new Boeing/Airbus consortium (0)

europrobe (167359) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991080)

currently on an A-340

ltn02r03-vlan25.connexionbyboeing.net


Anyone else smelling something fishy? I have a hard time believing he's really on an Airbus plane...

Re:The new Boeing/Airbus consortium (1)

psyconaut (228947) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991118)

It's a Boeing *satellite* service. Boeing don't just make planes, f00l! ;-)

-psy

Re:The new Boeing/Airbus consortium (4, Informative)

Tx (96709) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991167)

It's not just for Boeing aircraft. From the connexion web site:

Installation
The system can be installed on any aircraft with a seating capacity of 100 or more during a scheduled maintenance interval. Connexion by Boeing is currently working with aircraft manufacturers to develop the capability for in-line production installations.

Re:The new Boeing/Airbus consortium (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991218)

If you dont believe him, there here ya go:

Connexion by Boeing airborne Internet in airline service [ainonline.com]
Its primarily EU airlines that have so far started using Connexion, while the US airlines lag far behind, so its no surprise that it would be in use on Airbus aircraft.

pw3n3d (1)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991083)

OH Man, those ping times are really gunna get me fragged!!

This is a cool service, but farking expensive. I would only use this when on a work flight where I can expense the cost. Thats a months worth of DSL in most places.

I'd rather stick to playing games on my flights - the only problem with that is that I usually end up bringin 5 extra batteries for my D600, which adds up to a few pounds. and games like HL2 on this machine mean I have to change the battery much more often.

Wow! (3, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991086)

Step 11 on the traceroute was really interesting.

11 581538 ms 582667 ms 6659876 ms mgs.nasa.mars.net

Re:Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991162)

I can't believe you got modded "Interesting" for an obvious joke. Slashdot mods kick ass.

Re:Wow! (1, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991169)

Interesting?

omg, you slashdot mods are smoking something - it was humour not reality.
Move your hands away from the mod controls and step out of the vehicle.

Latency? (2, Funny)

powerline22 (515356) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991091)

Funny, someone from Apple was a bit bored during one flight, so they fired up iChat AV and had a videoconference at 30,000 feet, and it was fine.

LAN Party at 30k FT (0)

jackb_guppy (204733) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991092)

My veiw is get some freinds together have fragfest at 30k FT, since we are now allowed to have wireless active.

You may run into problems with the sound turned up and Air-Marshal in the new row.

Re:LAN Party at 30k FT (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991203)

Even with headphones on, when somebody jumps out and frags you, your screams and shouts about the abuse with a plasma rifle are sure to cause a stir.

OMG you /.ed Luftunsa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991093)

You Bastards!!

sharing? (4, Interesting)

cbc1920 (730236) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991113)

What's to stop someone from purchasing the access and then sharing it with everyone on the plane through an ad-hoc wireless bridge? (except for those pesky regulations)

Not being on Lufthansa is nothing to cry about (1, Informative)

raju1kabir (251972) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991130)

Lufthansa is one of the most wretched airlines in the sky (unless you're in the front of the plane), so don't cry too much. Basically Lufthansa is a European-style low-cost carrier (zero service, zero amenities, treat the customers like something that got stuck on their shoes on the way into work) with high-cost carrier fares (and a slightly lucrative business and first-class trade that has nothing to do with their horrid economy class offering).

Addicted to net access though I am, I'd take Northwest with a good book over Lufthansa with wifi any day of the week. At least I'll have someplace to put my legs, will be served something approximating edible food, and I won't be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder from being yelled at by the flight attendants for 12 hours.

Anyway, good airlines, like Singapore Air [singaporeair.com] also offer Conexion and fly from the US to Japan (e.g., SQ11, LAX-NRT), so you can have it both ways.

-raju1kabir, 50000 miles in 2005 and counting

Chaw! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991134)

"...if only they'd let me have a cigarette..."

Suggest you pick up a tin of chewing tobacco.
Some brands package the tobacco in little cloth pouches so you don't have to worry about bits of tobacco competing with the spinach and red pepper stuck in your teeth.

personal preference is a novel with read time equal to flight time and a radio for keeping up with ATC.

Air Radio (1)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991166)

"a radio for keeping up with ATC."

What/where do you fly that lets you listen to the radio? Always, when I fly, they say no radio ever. Or are you just ignoring the stewardess' demands?

tears will get your ass kicked in Japan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991137)

quit crying you pussy.

Smoking sucks. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991143)

Whatever discomfort you experience during an airline flight is small retribution for the choking, gagging, and wretching you and your fellow smokers inflicted on your non-addict fellow passengers before the airline smoking law was imposed.

Flamebait (2, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991213)

Beware, Joe Camel is moderating today. I was modded down for saying something similar.

good price (1)

PerlDudeXL (456021) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991145)

USD 30 is more than ok for a long flight (6+ hours). if you can't be without internet on a flight within europe you need counseling ;)

Lufthansa (or any other airline) would need to pay me per hour if they allow others to smoke. Good thing it's banned.

The only time I could lose in HALO and... (2, Funny)

IronChefMorimoto (691038) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991146)

Playing HALO PC multiplayer from 30K feet kind of gives me immunity from "no0b" accusations, seeing as I'm a l337 airborne hax0r with this service. Sadly, I will get my ass kicked with those pings, but, by god, I'll be a pioneer of the Mile High Gaming Club.

IronChefMorimoto

P.S. - Wait a minute. I suck at HALO PC multiplayer on the ground.

Flying halo (1)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991194)

"Playing HALO PC multiplayer from 30K feet kind of gives me immunity"

Eventually, Microsoft will have its own airline with X-boxes built into every seat. Watch out for the blue turbulence of death, however.

0mG Dd0$ mah B0i3nG!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11991159)

That traceroute is priceless, but makes me wonder what happens next time I'm on one of these flights and a scriptkiddy in the next row annoys someone with a botnet.

Thought he was pretty cool... (2, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991161)

C:\Documents and Settings\Marton>tracert www.slashdot.org

Man, I thought he was leet until I saw that. What a shame.

That said, I really don't think this is cost-justified for most people. $30 for the flight to slowly read e-mail and such, things that you can just as easily (and more quickly) do on the ground before or after the flight. There certainly exist situations in which this is worth the money, but the cool factor alone doesn't cover it, at least not for me.

This could make air travel pay off! (4, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991179)

1. Pay $30 for email in airplane
2. Login and check email
3. Receive Nigerian offer to give you $15,000
4. Profit!

A longhaul ticket will set you back at least $1000 (1)

agraupe (769778) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991200)

So what's an extra $30 dollars? Since I'm training to be a pilot, I'm hoping that, by the time I have enough hours to captain longhauls, they have this in the cockpit :)

Cigs (0, Offtopic)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11991208)

You can smoke all the evil death cylinders you like... out on the wing.

And I have yet to understand this terrible drive to be productive during flights. I had to fly six times last year for work, and I made them put me on Jet Blue so I could zone out to DirecTV. It's bad enough I have to travel 1000s of miles for my employers, so I'm going to take some relaxation time in between those vast annoyance factories called airports. Yeah, I'm talking about YOU, Logan Airport, and your goddamned tunnel closure that dumped me into downtown Boston, recently voted the least navigable city on the continent, and no detour signs and airport signs that have no connection to reality.

And my damn boss wouldn't pay me time and a half for taking one flight on 9/11, although the nearly empty plane gave me a whole row seats to myself. I had one monitor set to the plane position on a map, another to a ballgame and the third to something on the History Channel. And then I lay back with my Bose noise cancelling headphones. Now that's the way to fly!

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