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Benioff and Weiss To Write Ender's Game Script

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the dear-god dept.

Sci-Fi 507

nighthawk127127 writes "According to the Fresco Pictures website, David Benioff (writer of the screenplay for Troy) has been signed on by Warner Brothers to write the script for the movie adaptation of Ender's Game. Rumors of the Ender's Game movie have been circulating for a long time now, but this is the first time in a while we've gotten some definite information. The movie will be a combination of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow by Orson Scott Card." Well, gosh, with Troy under his belt, all my concerns about the movie sucking are straight out! *cough*

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Just another movie to not see (0, Troll)

crivens (112213) | more than 9 years ago | (#12000894)

Oh yeah, this will be another movie to not see. What a great decision that was!

I guess dollars come before making a quality movie. Though I'd love to see what Peter Jackson could produce.

Re:Just another movie to not see (-1, Troll)

MrLint (519792) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001028)

Well I know why I'm not going to see this movie, because I im not in the habit of supporting rabid fundamentalists. []

Re:Just another movie to not see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001129)

You know this book was actually good, but I believe they did a knock off of this type of movie when they did that crappy TOYS garbage with the Army trying to get involved with the toy industry. Stupid stupid army.... []

Re:Just another movie to not see (0, Flamebait)

mankey wanker (673345) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001151)

I am no expert on this writer, but I did enjoy the Ender series. But yeah, his politics turned me right off and I didn't buy a single one of the books - they were all borrowed from the library.

As best as I can make out, Card is probably all of the following:
1. a conservative, although I think he identifies himself as a democrat
2. LDS, a.k.a Mormon
3. in favor of the war in Iraq

I apologize in advance to those that will think me intolerant, but being LDS is a huge mind-fuck. If you don't see it that way, that's okay with me. But it basically suggests to me that Card is not playing with a full deck.

Re:Just another movie to not see (2, Insightful)

DeusExMalex (776652) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001228)

honestly, i couldn't care less about his politics. his books are good and that's all i care about concerning whether or not i read his books.

Listen here, Mr. Ebert (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12000896)

If we wanted your opinion on movies, we'd have beat it out of you!

From the "Who Cares" department (0, Troll)

mattspammail (828219) | more than 9 years ago | (#12000913)

and the list of who cares just keeps shrinking...

Wouldn't go, anyhow. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12000923)

Don't see how putting another dime into the pocket of that homophobe (Card) is something that I'd want to do, no matter how good the movie was.

Re:Wouldn't go, anyhow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001024)

I figure his primary audience for this movie is elsewhere, anyhow. Michael Jackson and his ilk are going to be waiting for this one like geeks for Star Wars.

Where else do you get to see a bunch of naked little boys fighting in the shower?

Re:Wouldn't go, anyhow. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001043)

Not a flame/troll, but this is the first I've heard of this and am interested. Any links to back up your claim?

Re:Wouldn't go, anyhow. (4, Insightful)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001130)

I assume he's referring to Card's rantings against gay marriage, which aren't hard to find if you go hit Google.

I've got to admit, I'm a little torn about this myself. It tears me up a bit to think that my patronage of this man's works (I've bought a lot of his books) has enriched someone who uses his money and fame to soapbox out his (IMO) detestable position.

You can argue that the movie itself is not directly associated with his position, but that seems like a bit of a cop-out. It'd be like buying cookies when the proceeds go to benefit the Klan -- even if what you're doing is innocent, the cause it supports isn't any less vile.

Anyhow, I figure that this won't be a big deal since it sounds like the movie's going to suck.

Re:Wouldn't go, anyhow. (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001289)

Well, Card's never tried to hide his Mormonism, so I guess no one should be surprised. I enjoy some his books, but on a few occasions I've had the feeling I was being preached at. Card is allowed his predictable opinion, of course.

Interesting idea (0, Flamebait)

HBI (604924) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001313)

Maybe K-mart can start selling KKK bed sheets now that Martha Stewart is a convicted criminal. It would be not quite as disturbing as having the institution of marriage devalued as it is today for the sake of some filthy lucre in taxes and medical benefits. That is _all_ that this current tempest in a teapot is about. Beside the incrementalist gay agenda of making the 'lifestyle choice' more acceptable to the masses.

Card is right on target with that stuff.

Re:Wouldn't go, anyhow. (3, Insightful)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001396)

It is, of course, unfair to compare the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to the Ku Klux Klan. The Mormons don't have tendencies to go out and murder homosexuals; the worst they do is excommunicate them if they're members.

Besides, with millions of Hollywood dollars already funding cults like the Church of Scientology, how can any major film these days be considered "clean"?

trivial Google (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001160)

Re:Wouldn't go, anyhow. (1, Informative)

kin_korn_karn (466864) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001050)

Or into the pocket of the mormon church, which is where 10% of Card's income goes as a member.

sorry about the troll rating dude (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001143)

...that is 100% true, OSC is a devout Mormon.

He should have expected it. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001212)

He should have expected it. How dare he challenge the Slashdot Hivemind?

I mean, what's the struggle for equal treatment under the law when there's a possible mediocre Sci Fi movie in the offing?

Re:sorry about the troll rating dude (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001471)

And he makes no secret of it. Heck, I've been told that the Homecoming"saga is based off the Book of Mormon.

Re:Wouldn't go, anyhow. (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001297)

Now, now, let's be nice and proper. That's the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints", not 'mormon church'. And really, don't millions of Hollywood dollars already find their way into the Church of Scientology? (there are some big names in this list [] ). I don't see how that could possibly be considered any less deplorable...

Re:Wouldn't go, anyhow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001081)

Where do you get that he's a homophobe? Heck one of the characters in his Ships of Earth Series was a homosexual, and he's portrayed in a better light than most homosexual characters are in other books.

Re:Wouldn't go, anyhow. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001201)

Read The Hypocrites of Homosexuality [] . Post back if you have any questions.

Excerpts for the lazy:

Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message to those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.
The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships.

Who the *fuck* modded this down? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001165)

How is this trolling or not relevant to the conversations? How does it deserve a -1? Go back to the Free Republic, troll mods.

Re:Wouldn't go, anyhow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001314)

Hey, it's good to see the slashdot branch of the SS is still up and running.

-1 Troll? C'mon, you've got to be joking me. Tell me how a post which questions the morality of patronizing a man with disgustingly homophobic positions is a troll. Shouldn't people make an informed decision about who they give their money to?

The mods ought to be ashamed of themselves on this one.

Hemos: (4, Insightful)

Tim_F (12524) | more than 9 years ago | (#12000944)

In what way did Troy suck any less than your favourite movie of all time? What makes your favourite movie your favourite movie? What have you done to encourage a discussion here by posting such a flamebait comment?

Re:Hemos: (0, Flamebait)

Neil Blender (555885) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001222)

Slashdot 'editors' are pretty much the same as movie 'directors'. Their 'interpretation' usually 'sucks'. Such as it were.

Re:Hemos: (0)

to_kallon (778547) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001231)

In what way did Troy suck any less than your favourite movie of all time?

i think hemos' point is that it did *not* suck less. i'm not very good at picking up these subtleties, but i'm reasonably certain that the implication is that Troy sucked *more*.
on an unrelated note: kudo points for a creative spelling of favorite.

Re:Hemos: (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001260)

not creative - canadian

Re:Hemos: (5, Informative)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001290)

on an unrelated note: kudo points for a creative spelling of favorite.

Uh, that's how most of the English-speaking worlds spells the word. Unless I am very much mistaken, it's only the US (and US dependencies) where the spelling "favorite" is used instead of "favourite".

Re:Hemos: (1)

Tim_F (12524) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001292)

The point of wording it the way I was to suggest that his interpretation was subjective. I know a lot of people that liked Troy and that think that Hemos' favourite movie sucked donkey balls.

Do you get it now?

Basic Plot Inaccuracies? (4, Informative)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001360)

Read the fucking Iliad.

Achilles sits around for 9 books, while Diomedes (not even IN the movie) and Ajax (killed in the FIRST battle) and Menelaos (same) beat the crap out of people.

Most of the action is dominated by the Gods, not the mortals.

Achilles DIES before he gets to Troy, but that *isn't* in the Iliad.

The Trojan horse bit is really written down in Vergil, but he was *never credited*.

When Achilles and Hector fight, Hector *runs* first. The reason they fight is because Hector is trapped outside the city walls, not because he comes down to fight Achilles. Gods interfere with the fight.

Aeneas isn't some random guy in the end, but he is a rather minor trojan prince who's the best fighter outside of Hector on the Trojan side. Read the Aeneid for more info.

The movie Troy was a huge cinematic blunder ruining one of the greatest stories of all time.

David Benioff ? (3, Funny)

NoseBag (243097) | more than 9 years ago | (#12000945)

David Benioff?

My heart soars like a brick.

news? (2, Funny)

CarlinWithers (861335) | more than 9 years ago | (#12000962)

gee... i can't remember the last time a good book was looking like it was going to be made into a not so good movie.

Re:news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001037)

Even worse, two good books made into one steaming turd of a movie. I always liked Bean better than Ender, and preferred Shadow over Game.

hmm. (2, Insightful)

say__10 (768448) | more than 9 years ago | (#12000963)

Troy was not bad but it also was not good. I cannot imagine a movie will do those stories the justice they deserve. I've read through the entire series 3 times and Enders Game itself probably 8-10. Id prefer no movie, but if they do I beg DO NOT FUCK IT UP PLEASE!!!!

Re:hmm. (1)

Volvogga (867092) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001137)

I concure. But, when you think about it, has anyone ever read a book and then seen a movie adaptation that they didn't have some problem with? No matter if its good or not, chances are that you will find some problem with the movie. Just my experience anyway.

Re:LOTR (1)

Monkeyboy4 (789832) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001439)

LOTR was a great series of movies, and a pretty honest retelling of the books. I think that is why people earlier mentioned Jackson as a hopeful name to connect with this The issue with bad renditions of books is exemplified in some of Chrichton's movies - Timeline changes the relationship between key characters, drops characters, re-interprets the science involved in the sci-fi, adds an unnecessary love plot, etc. If they have Ender macking out with Petra, I'd be pissed (and disgusted. They are supposed to be pre-pubescent!!) MOnkyboy

Troy Bad? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001192)

Troy was not bad but it also was not good. I cannot imagine a movie will do those stories the justice they deserve.

Troy was actually pretty good. Let's see how people would like it if the story was followed letter for letter.

Same applies to LoTR. How many people would have fawned all over the three films if all the characters spoke like they did in the books and all the dialogue was left in.

As adaptations go, they were satisfactory. Heck, Troy was actually pretty good compared to a lot of the dreck people shell out money for. []

As for how you adapt Ender's Game to a screen play, lots of luck. I have high hopes for lots of revered novels, but realize too many of them would require significant change to fit. Can't have people standing around all the time doing soliloquies all the time so you know what's on their minds.

Re:Troy Bad? (1)

HumanTorch (568372) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001307)

Exactly - Troy was not merely allright because of the screenplay. It had some extremely amateurish overacting on the part of Mr. Pitt and others. As for griping about re-interpretation, I think we can safely say Homer did not have the silver screen in mind when he wrote it.

Re:Troy Bad? (2, Informative)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001437)

The siege of Troy lasted for ten years. The film made it seem like it lasted not more than ten days.

Now, how many of the people who paid to see that movie do you think really have any appreciation of that revision? It might seem subtle to you but it changes the whole context of the story: celebrating keeping your enemy at bay and your city free from invasion after ten years of conflict is a world apart from doing it for a week or two. The timescale better explains the "gift" of the Trojan horse, why the Trojans accepted it and partied the night away, why they were so taken in by the deception, etc.

As for Troy's other qualities: well, let's just say that it seemed badly paced and too long. I saw the film with four others, and we all agreed that we just wanted them to get it over and done with well before the conclusion came around. When you're all looking at your watch thinking "I hope this ends soon", then you know something is very wrong.

special fx (3, Insightful)

mattspammail (828219) | more than 9 years ago | (#12000977)

According to the web site, apparently this movie will have significant "special effects". That was definitely noteworthy, because most viewers of this film probably would never have known that going in.

Sometimes, it's better NOT to read the friggin' article. The summary sufficed.

Let me be the first to say... (2, Informative)

clandestine_nova (620998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12000983)

What the fuck is wrong with people? Honestly, did they even read Ender's Game? It's not just some action movie with kids, you know. Well, at least I can get disappointed early.

Hopeful Reply (3, Interesting)

r00td43m0n (796630) | more than 9 years ago | (#12000986)

Well hopefully Uncle Orson will come on here and give his perspective on it.

LOL... (2, Interesting)

pb (1020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12000990)

I heard OSC talking about this years ago... at the time, I believe he had written a script, was circulating it, wanted Jake Lloyd (Anakin) to play Ender, (he assured us that Jake was actually a very bright kid and a good actor despite what we might think from having seen Episode I) but at that point nothing was really definite. He just sounded optimistic about finally getting it done.

My how times haven't changed.

Re:LOL... (4, Funny)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001045)

I heard OSC talking about this years ago... at the time, I believe he had written a script, was circulating it, wanted Jake Lloyd (Anakin) to play Ender

As long as they get Hayden Christensen to play Ender in the sequel movie Speaker for the Dead, I have no problem with this.

Yeah... what about the WRITER? (1)

Alaren (682568) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001122)

I agree. This seriously makes no sense! OSC is a writer, and a pretty popular one at that. He has written scripts for television and comic books as well as novels and short stories. I don't understand this decision in the least.

I understand that directors take "creative license," sometimes for good, sometimes for ill. I know that movies are not books and vice versa. But if the original author of a book is willing to rite the script as well, I fail to see why anyone would reject the idea, especially if the author is one as respected and experienced as OSC.

Shame on whatever "good old boy" or "marketing" mentality that made this enormous mistake possible. One less movie I'll want to go see on opening day, I guess.

Re:LOL... (1)

*weasel (174362) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001403)

I'd be optimistic too if I had Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty (Xmen 2) hired on to write it.
(circa february 2004)

This change to Benioff and Weiss... not so much.

Re:LOL... (1)

Orne (144925) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001465)

Judging how Hollywood works these days, it's either him or Haley Joel Osment [] ... where else are you gonna find another science fiction type-cast teen actor?

never actually saw the movie, but... (0, Offtopic)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001001)

did play the Tron 2.0 game a couple times through. quite entertaining as far as FPS go.

Well, I think that explains (4, Funny)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001003)

the rather shocked expression on the face by the posting.

Knowing hollywood, (1)

Clockwurk (577966) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001022)

he has also been hired to write the script for the sequel (Eating the Dead), and has an option for a third film if the first two don't flop too badly.

Re:Knowing hollywood, (2, Informative)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001079)

The sequel to Ender's Game is not "Eating the Dead". It's "Speaker for the Dead"; the sequel to that is "Xenocide" and the sequel to that is "Children of the Mind".

See the article [] in Wikipedia for more details.

Re:Knowing hollywood, (1)

Clockwurk (577966) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001134)

d'oh I was thinking of Michael Crichtons Eaters of The Dead []

Re:Knowing hollywood, (1)

BJH (11355) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001257)

Don't worry, by the time Hollywood's finished with it the title of the sequel probably will be "Eating the Dead".

"a long time"? (4, Interesting)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001048)

The rumours have been out there "a long time"? That's an understatement. I swear, there are USENET postings from 1992 [] on the topic.

I had the idea of the movie filed away with Duke Nukem Forever and the like.

Re:"a long time"? (1)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001275)

13 computer years? That's like 112 human years. That is a long time!

Enders Game (the book) (3, Interesting)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001059)

I don't understand the fascination with this book. I found it very dry and poorly written. Most of the text seemed to revolve around "zero G" training tactics. I could not truly fathom why this would be an interesting primary subject. Does the interest come from the fact that the main character was a juvenile, and that is the target readership? I read the book when I was in my twenties, on the sole basis of the rave reviews I have heard and the fact that it won so many SF awards. Maybe that is why I disliked the book so much, although I can see how other books targeted at this audience could be compelling (Harry Potter, et all). I am interested in hearing comments from anyone who has read the book.

Re:Enders Game (the book) (4, Insightful)

kin_korn_karn (466864) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001116)

A lot of people in the 'geek community' that gave this book rave reviews and SF awards also had childhood experiences similar to Ender's, where they were used for various selfish purposes by the adults in their life. If you didn't go through something like that, the book will resonate less with you.

Re:Enders Game (the book) (1)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001309)

Ah! I didn't recognize that as even a plot in the book. I assumed that kids were interested with him because he possessed remarkable abilities that they wished they had themselves. Thanks!

Re:Enders Game (the book) (2, Insightful)

HuffMeister (608243) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001239)

The appeal to most readers (if I can generalize my own reactions to the book) is the deeper psychological impact that the circumstances surrounding the "zero G training tactics" have on Ender, and those around him. The psychological destruction of a young boy in order to save humankind, the deconstruction of the brutalities of military life combined with a "Lord of the Flies" environment, the mental games Ender plays with his enemy in order to love them and destroy them at the same time. I think those are the overarching themes of the book, not the "zero G training tactics." But, I guess that goes to show you that writing a novel is a two party process, which involves both the writer (encoder of the story) and the reader (decoder of the story) in order to create the intended effect, and that's why there's really more than one interpretation of any given text...

Re:Enders Game (the book) (1)

saltydogdesign (811417) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001420)

This is sure to draw fire, but here goes:

Like much sci-fi, Enders Game is a terrific philosophical idea fleshed out with cardboard.

The rest is just cardboard.

Disappointed by Ender's Shadow? (2, Interesting)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001067)

Was anyone else disappointed by Ender's Shadow? Mostly I'm trying to forget about it. I truly enjoyed Ender's game, and thought the sequels were... medicore (except for Children of the mind, which was simply appalling). Then I went and read Ender's Shadow and it was Card quietly destroying Ender's Game for me. It was the whole "Well actually there's this other kid, and he's even smarter and better than Ender! He could have done the whole thing singlehanded without getting tired like Ender!". There seemed to be a need to "go one better" and hence make Bean "much better than Ender" which, at the same time, required a lot of Ender's speeches and actions (from the original book) to be recast as stupid and poor. Ender had enough flaws and issues in Ender's Game without making him semi-incompetent as well.


Re:Disappointed by Ender's Shadow? (5, Insightful)

JayBlalock (635935) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001325)

Since the Shadow books are told from Bean's point of view, of course he'll be critical of Ender's actions. I thought the entire point of Shadow was that, while Bean was technically smarter and more competent, he utterly lacked the people skills necessary to get the job done. Ender succeeded for the reason he was selected in the first place - his combination of Peter's ruthlessness AND Val's empathy. He had to be *balanced* in these things to win, and Bean would have failed in the end just as Val or Peter would have. What I took away from the book was that it emphasized even more Ender's flawed humanity and how, ultimately, those flaws were needed instead of simple machine-like perfection.

Don't forget, BTW, that while Bean had awesome deductive powers, he could also get off on wildly incorrect tangents precisely because he was too self-reliant. Unwilling to really trust any source outside of his own head, he lacked any real "reality check," and that too would have likely proven fatal had he been the child chosen.

(don't take this as uncritical praise of Card, BTW. He seems to have a long history of taking a good idea and then running it deep into the ground. I was disappointed in Shadow Puppets and, while I haven't read Shadow of the Giant yet, I have a sinking feeling that he'll end up torpedoing the series by the end, just as he did the "Ender Saga")

Re:Disappointed by Ender's Shadow? (2, Insightful)

canadian_right (410687) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001373)

I liked Ender's Shadow. The whole point of Ender's Shadow was that Bean could NOT have done what Ender did, despite being "brighter". Bean lacked Ender's social skills, and his "killer instinct". Ender was a natural leader, while Bean was an awkward, self-conscious, loner. Ender could form and lead a team - a task the Bean struggled with. Ender killed his enemies, Bean humilated and angered his.

I also enjoyed seeing the events of enders Game from a new viewpoint.

And I agree that "Children of the Mind" was not that good. "Speaker for the Dead" was very good, Xenocide was ok.

Disappointed by Ender's Shadow? yes,but loved TROY (1)

Reziac (43301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001446)

I agree entirely.

OSCard also wrote a nice howto book, "How to Write SF/F" in which he says that one of the most important things is to know when to END a story. Well, he certainly fails to take his own advice. Ender's Game properly ended at the point where we killed off the Buggers. It went wrong from the moment the next section started (where Ender goes off and rescues the Bugger queen). It took the book from a heart-squeezing and memorable high to a "WTF? why??", and the sequels went downhill from there. (I don't even remember which one had us largely trapped on the planet of the Piggies, but I have seldom been so bored with any book.)

As to Ender's Shadow, while the book isn't bad in itself, and explains a lot, I still agree that it dilutes Ender's Game to the point of insignificance.

And over the course of the series, I really wasn't thrilled to learn that Bean and Peter had never outgrown the sociopathy that is to some degree normal in very small children; in fact, they had become really extreme examples of it as adults.

Now, as to TROY -- it's a *wonderful* movie. If you expect to see a slavish re-creation of The Iliad, you're doomed to disappointment. But as a character-driven tale of how normal, honest people interact and react when confronted by a younger brother's stupidity, a ruler's arrogance, an overdose of hero worship -- it's absolutely believable, and very well done (and moves so well that it didn't seem like it was 3 hours long, either). Troy was the best film I've seen since Pirates of the Caribbean.

If the film of Ender's Game gets the same attention to character development and interaction as Troy got, it will be GOOD.

Shades of Dune? (3, Insightful)

nixman99 (518480) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001072)

I get this feeling it will turn out like Dune; in other words, there will be a big Hollywood production, and it will suck. Then fifteen years later, the SciFi channel will do it right.

Re:Shades of Dune? (1)

TheMeuge (645043) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001243)

As if...

At least the Lynch version of Dune retained some of the spirit of the book, without recounting the plot. The scifi version was a lot closer to the plot (except for a few changes that absolutely destroyed it), but it sucked so badly, I could barely recognize the book behind the film.

Re:Shades of Dune? (1)

bfline (859619) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001361)

You're right on with this. I really enjoyed the SciFi version. Good acting, great set, great costumes AND actually following the original story for a change. Considering they named it, Frank Herbert's Dune, it would have been crazy not to just follow the story. Too bad William Hurt died so early on. I haven't seen Children of Dune yet, so I can't comment on the sequel.

Re:Shades of Dune? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001380)

Except that the SciFi version didn't get it right. They stuck to the original story far more, true enough, but the acting was, in general, horrible. Lynch's version at least got the mood of the book right, and you must rememeber that Herbert was very deeply involved in that project.

Muahahaha (3, Funny)

SmokeSerpent (106200) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001085)

Now all of you OSC geeks will suffer for endlessly bugging us to read your sacred texts! *cackle*

You gotta be kidding me.... (1)

Bonzor (856075) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001088)

They're gonna mix the two books for the screen play? It's going to BLOW. Just take the first book, there is plenty of content to make a great book!!

At least it didn't take 20 odd years... (1)

vigour (846429) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001100)

at least with it being commisioned by Warner Bros there's a chance it might actually be made. It took poor Douglas Adams 20 odd years, and I don't know how many script rewrites to get to a point where they actually made it (and only once he popped the can).

bad SF (0, Flamebait)

vm (127028) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001112)

It's not like Orson Scott Card is some kind of genius whose work is going to be denigrated by a film adaption. It's a pretty straight forward pulp story that's heavy on action and dialogue. It's not like Dune where everything is told from 3rd person omniscient and 80% of the story happens in people's heads. Quit your whining, people. Card should consider himself lucky if the SciFi Channel adapted his crap.

Card is a copyright nut (0, Offtopic)

Eunuch (844280) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001142)

He was quoted as saying it is rediculous that copyright could ever run out on a living author. I decided not to read any more of his books after that.

How does this make him nutty? (1)

Fantastic Lad (198284) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001385)

He was quoted as saying it is rediculous that copyright could ever run out on a living author. I decided not to read any more of his books after that.

The whole original point of copyright is to make sure the author is able to make a living from his or her work. Once the author is dead, then sure, copyright should end, but until then, I don't understand your point. Particularly when in old age, earning new income can become harder to do.

The time between the writing of a book and the author's death is often shorter than fifty years anyway.


Re:Card is a copyright nut (2, Informative)

sharkb8 (723587) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001452)

It Can't run out on a living author if the author still owns it.

It's Life +95 years, or 120 years for a work for hire/psuedonomous/anonymous work.

It's only been this way for a short time, but the U.S. had to bring their copyright terms in line with that of Europe after oining the Berne Convention, otherwise U.S. works would receive less protection in the other countries.

Hopefully... (2, Funny)

bman08 (239376) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001186)

He can do for Ender what he did for the Illiad. It was nice to see someone get the whole Achilles-switching-sides-and-joining-the-Trojans thing right for a change.

Starship Troopers (1)

ashmedai (869288) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001196)

Another perfectly good book falling to illiterate heretics. I'll probably watch it anyway and hope I get pleasantly suprised, but I'll be going into it assuming the movie has little to do with the book.

Fears I have about the film (5, Funny)

Chairboy (88841) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001206)

I have the following concerns/predictions:

1. The ages of the characters will be upped by 5 or so years because the film execs won't think that people would find 5 year olds killing each other kosher. Ender will be 10+ years old in the beginning, almost guaranteed.

2. The actor. There are few actors that could pull off the role of Ender. Haley Joel Osmont is the closest I can think of, but he's been getting older ("I see dead kittens") and would probably have a beard by the time this films.

3. Peter.

4. Conglomeration of enemies. Will Achille be combined with other baddies? This might not be bad, but if Bean and Ender both come from the same elementary school, that might be a little too pat. I understand that the story must be pruned to fit in 16:9, but I worry...

The final worry: The ending. So many people have read the book, will they use the same ending? I've seen other movies from books where, to get a new emotional response or 'gotcha', the ending was changed from what you expect. The original ending is powerful and chilling (namely, the disposition of the final simulations), who knows what screenwriters the caliber of those who wrote Troy will produce?

Here's my nightmare:

MAZER: Ender, the bugger fighters are almost on me!
ENDER: No! They've taken away the woman I love, they won't take away my teacher too!
MAZER: Ender, (blasting noises in the background, static) there's something I haven't told you. I am.... your father.
ENDER: Noooooooooooo!
MAZER: Tell Valentine and Peter I loved them!
(scene of Mazer's snub fighter being destroyed while doing the trench run on the Formic mothership that is approaching Earth)
(A Formic fighter pulls up behind Ender, whos ship has been damaged. Just as he is about to die, the fighter explodes and the shuttle that brought him to the Battle school descends into the picture)
(radio): Hey Ender, thought you could use some help.
ENDER: Valentine? Is that you?
VALENTINE: It's me, and I brought some help.
PETER: Hey Andrew, you were right. Let's blow this thing and go home.
ENDER: Ayeeeeee! (fires D.R. Device)

Too bad they didn't pick the good version. (4, Interesting)

argent (18001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001225)

Ender's War (the short story) was a much better story than the novel Card expanded it into. Plus, it'd be easier to fit into 2 hours on the screen. Pity they didn't pick it instead.

The ambuiguity at the end over just who the Enemy was is wonderful - see, there's no aliens in there, and the one reference in the short story to the planet Ender's living on implies that it's noth Earth, so it COULD be a rebellious colony... which would make the Enemy planet Earth.


Yeah, cause we all know that the script is never.. (3, Insightful)

Assmasher (456699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001236)

...changed after it leaves the writer's hands.

"Well, gosh, with Troy under his belt, all my concerns about the movie sucking are straight out! *cough*"

- Rather a stupid thing to say when you realize that the director has far more influence on a movie than the script itself.

Re:Yeah, cause we all know that the script is neve (2, Insightful)

SmokeHalo (783772) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001296)

- Rather a stupid thing to say when you realize that the director has far more influence on a movie than the script itself.

You have a point, but the script is also important. Terrible directing can turn a great script into a crappy movie, but without a good script, even the best director's hands are tied.

Re:Yeah, cause we all know that the script is neve (1)

Assmasher (456699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001460)

Indeed, but maybe the script for Troy was fantastic... We'll probably never know. Of course, the idea of squishing 10+ years of war into a 2 hour movie is, by default, ludicrous.

Re:Yeah, cause we all know that the script is neve (1)

Ki Master George (768244) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001305)

- Rather a stupid thing to say when you realize that the director has far more influence on a movie than the script itself.

Not to mention the actors...

Re:Yeah, cause we all know that the script is neve (1)

Assmasher (456699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001397)

LOL, let's not even go there... I can only imagine how good movies ever actually get made ("Good movies? Are there any?")

Ender's Game + Ender's Shadow = Not so good (1)

Ki Master George (768244) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001251)

There's a reason Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow were separate books. It's a lot more pleasing to read Ender's Game before Ender's Shadow. It would be especially hard in a movie setting to combine the two, since the two movies cover mostly the same events. I'd guess the way they'd do it is leaving the middle mostly the same, and having two beginnings and two endings: one for Ender, and one for Bean.

25th Hour as well (4, Insightful)

GunFodder (208805) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001264)

David Benioff also wrote 25th Hour, which was an interesting movie. I guess all the geniuses here on Slashdot are too smart to bother spending 30 seconds on IMDB for more comprehensive information.

In a perfect world (1)

fishdan (569872) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001274)

I'd get to decide what projects Peter Jackson takes next

I'm going to save my money... (1)

zosa (261289) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001310)

...for the Guns 'n' Roses "Chinese Democracy" CD ;-)

The next thing you know... (1)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001323)

...they'll make a really crappy movie out of a sort-of-crappy video game and... oh yeah. Wing Commander.

And with that went any idea I ever had for any adaptation of Larry Niven's Kzinti works. It would either look like that or some furry fan's fantasy. Either way, a total clusterfark.

I am of course fearing the worst with the Narnia project.

Litmus test: if you can't translate something as simple as a video game or anime into a live action motion picture that doesn't suck like a Dyson, then you have no business taking on cherished SF or Fantasy classics. Think of it as learning to crawl before you do the Boston Marathon.

Of course, since everything not forbidden is compulsory, adaptations of Anthony's Xanth must be coming soon. Thank G-d that some corners are humongous. Ringworld is supposed to be right around one. For the last five years or so.

Am I the only one who wishes they could get tickets to a Vogon Poetry jam?

Let me guess: Plot Revelations (2, Funny)

TheGuano (851573) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001338)

First, the movie will not take place near Earth. Nor will it feature aliens or space warfare. Instead, it will be about a virus that infects people and turns them into zombies, but there WILL be a double-barreled shotgun. The reason? The writer claims, "The original book was so suspenseful and scary that we could never hope to top it."

I can't wait.

Young Anakin! (1)

filtur (724994) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001341)

Maybe they can get that kid who played young Anakin to star as Ender, that would be wonderful!

Don't make it a movie. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001345)

Make in a mini-series. Sci-Fi did ok with Dune (Kept to the story line but the acting and visuals sucked). BattleStar Galactica is working out better than I had hoped. Eathsea sucked but maybe they could pull off Enders's Game.

Starship Poopers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001381)

I hope this turns out as good as Starship Troopers.

Ender's Game = The Last Starfighter? (1)

crovira (10242) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001392)

This is likely to suck just as badly.

Troy, Schmoy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001411)

Give Benioff and Weiss a break guys. Troy was only what it was because the story is so well known and its so hard to adapt to film because of its range and extensive personal stories that would have to be explored in full in order for anything to work decently.

EVERYONE HERE should know that with stories like those that Troy are based upon are extremely hard to adapt to allow the general public to enjoy the movie let alone make a decent buck. Everyone complains about 8 hour series of movies like the lord of the rings and then they fail to see what has to go on in order to make a film work , book adaption or otherwise.

Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow can make a great film, and with Card heading up the supervision of the script and direction we should be well on the way to at least having a film that will show off the main things that made the Ender Saga so wonderful and full of depth.

It's obvious that you can't cram everything in a book into a 2.5-3hour film, it's impossible so complaining about it won't do anyone any good. Secondly hollywood will NEVER make a movie that will completely hit the target that all the fans of the series set for them. The target for making the fans happy is too small a profit margin, they have to look at the whole picture. There are hundreds of thousands, even millions of people out there that are potential customers and the producers and the owners of the movie rights always look at how to make the biggest buck, its up to people like Card to keep them on track and make the movie that happy medium that will make the fans happy as well as make the most money, and to be perfectly honest, if things don't go well I can be fairly certain that Card would attempt to pull the plug or disown everything that Warner Bros. does in relation to the film if it doesn't fit the criteria has wants met in order to preserve the depth of the story and its characters. It's obvious he'll have to make a few creative concessions but that is beyond what he's attempting to make work on the screen.

So all of you who are skeptical, just wait till after production starts and we start seeing trailers before all of you bitch. I too am an avid Ender Fan, and I have been following the development of this movie since it's inception, and from my persepctive things look up in comparison to so many other book adaptations. I also have a large amount of faith in Card who has been the backbone of the entire production to help make the right calls and push this movie in the right direction even if he is only a creative adviser to the film.

Combining the books? (2, Insightful)

Eternal_Flame (822984) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001414)

Well.... that one took me by surprise.
I've read both Enders Game and Ender's Shadow in the past, and I for one don't think merging the stories will exactly do them any good.
They're both good books, but it's the different perspectives that differentiate them and make them two separate books, even though they share the same story, and still keep it interesting. Taking both accounts of the story and putting it into one script might ruin some of what makes the story so appealing.

This suggests an uncertain studio (2, Insightful)

JayBlalock (635935) | more than 9 years ago | (#12001415)

The original Ender's Game book has more than enough material in it to support a movie. (as someone else commented, the original Ender's War short story alone could make for a movie) I don't know why they're roping Ender's Shadow into this UNLESS someone in the studio doesn't trust them to be able to adapt the book and make it work. Perhaps they realize a writer accustomed to writing spectacles is probably not going to be that good with detailed character work. Or perhaps they fear that they won't find an actor who'll be able to capture Ender and make his story, alone, compelling enough. Either way, I see the inclusion of Shadow as a way for them to be lazy. Instead of focusing on the character of Ender, they can have a half-dozen running subplots and keep the audience "entertained" that way. My hopes for this project have definitely sunk a couple notches.

logline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12001478)

Goonies in SPACE!
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