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Forbes Predicts 5% Desktop Share for Apple in 2005

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the of-course-the-rates-have-gone-up dept.

Desktops (Apple) 1045

sebFlyte writes "Spurred on by the iPod, Apple's share of the desktop computer market will grow to five percent (from three percent) this year, according to research from Morgan Stanley. Apparrently nearly 20% of iPod users surveyed are planning to switch to Macs, and the sales figures for the last few quarters are backing up the theory of the iPod Halo Effect. All this suggests the question ... how many iPod-touting Slashdotters are thinking of switching?"

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Stock (1, Insightful)

natas802 (773145) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004399)

Time to buy some Apple stock.

Re:Stock (2, Funny)

daquake (307570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004418)

The time to buy Apple stock was 7 years ago at $12.00 before the split :P

Re:Stock (4, Insightful)

BWJones (18351) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004581)

The time to buy Apple stock was 7 years ago at $12.00 before the split :P

Apple stock has split three times total with the last two being last February 28th and June 21st 2000. The first split was back in 1987, so in terms of stock splits it has not been the best investment. However, I am quite happy with the investments and additional purchases I made a couple of years ago with Apple. The iPod and iTunes have certainly been a driving force for the increase in stock value as well as the halo effect that everybody is talking about. However, I see another big spike in the number of Mac users as they get out of universities. Specifically, Apple has been making huge strides in getting higher education users back into the Apple fold with many folks making the switch. From my perspective, I know that there have been at least a dozen folks who have started using Macintosh computers after coming through our lab in the last two years who previously were Windows users.

Re:Stock (5, Informative)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004441)

Uh, No. The time to buy Apple stock was last year before it went up over 500%.

Re:Stock (2, Insightful)

14erCleaner (745600) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004508)

Yep, it's almost time to short Apple stock. Again.

Re:Stock (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004465)

As others are pointing out, the time to buy stock is really before the good news comes out, not after.

Re:Stock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004547)

So why post this? Starving for karma, are we?

Re:Stock - late to the party (2, Informative)

th4tGuy() (699021) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004562)

Unfortunately we're late to that party. The time to get in was almost exactly a year ago -when AAPL [] was trading for $16 a share. The subsequent rise to ~$90, and split, has taken a bit of the potential out of the stock...

But who knows, it could still go up with increased market share (The holly grail for Apple folks).

I'll be one of the converts (4, Interesting)

CarlinWithers (861335) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004401)

I plan on getting my mac mini. I've been looking for a way to not have to use Microsoft anymore and a combination of a new mac mini and an old machine running fedora is how I'll do it.

I like the iPod Shuffle so much... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004402)

I'm going to buy a Mac, but not attach a screen to it!

Re:I like the iPod Shuffle so much... (1)

dhoonlee (758528) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004594)

Enjoy uncertainty.

Apple = Proprietary (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004404)

I hear people bitch and moan on Slashdot about Microsoft's proprietary operating system but never once mention how Apple has maintained a closed OS.

Bad troll. No cookie. (5, Insightful)

numbski (515011) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004488)

Open OS. Very open OS in fact.

Closed desktop environment. Free IDE.

Tell me why you're not happy about this again? You could always run X11 and use KDE or Gnome or whatever. I personally feel that Aqua is worth every penny.

Re:Apple = Proprietary (4, Informative)

lagnat (704257) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004537)

I can't quote percentages, but a "large" portion of MacOS X is available in source form from Apple [] . So it's not as open as Linux, but it's far from Windows when it comes to proprietary.

I'll switch (5, Insightful)

jholder (22001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004406)

But not because of iPod. Really, a nice desktop, integrated desktop apps, plus the joy of a UNIX cli under it all. Beat the pants of Linux for me.

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004407)


iPod users switching to the Mac (1)

NaruVonWilkins (844204) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004409)

I'm thinking about switching to a Mac. I have an iPod, and I recognize that it came to me through a combination of brand recognition and system usability (not just the iPod but also iTunes).

iPod? (1)

xeon4life (668430) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004412)

I don't even own an iPod and I'm thinking of switching.

5%? Riiiiiiight. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004413)


obligatory: (0, Redundant)

to_kallon (778547) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004414)

i for one welcome our new iPod-touting, mac-using overlords.

20% switching? No way. (1, Insightful)

pudding7 (584715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004415)

"Apparrently nearly 20% of iPod users surveyed are planning to switch to Macs,"

Never happen. As soon as that 20% realizes there's no games for that shiny Mac in the store window, they'll stay right where they are.

Re:20% switching? No way. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004454)

Yes, because all those white ear-budded commuters I see on the subway to and from work everyday are on their way to an internet cafe lan party.

I predict 10% penetration... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004561)

Surveys show that approximately 10% of the population is homosexual.

Re:20% switching? No way. (1)

nottsp1 (854247) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004471)

But a boost from 3 to 5% of the market share should encourage developers to port more games to OS X. It will be an intersting 12 months on that front.

Re:20% switching? No way. (2, Informative)

theNetImp (190602) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004479)

There are plenty of games, as I switched to a Mac, and have no problem getting the games I want, they may be a couple months behind the windows version but big-woop-dee-butt-$$%&%$ (tm) I can wait a couple months, if it means no windows email worms corrupting my system.

Re:20% switching? No way. (3, Insightful)

godawful (84526) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004501)

that is, of course, assuming, people only buy computers to play games.
whilst certainly a concearn to some, one could look at what is available [] , and determine if that will be enough to satiate their needs.

maybe though, the 20% have already taken the games and whatever into account, and still plan on switching, whereas the 80% decided they couldn't do without them, or the ones which are available.

of course its probably neither.

Re:20% switching? No way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004509)

Well to be honoust: Since I bought my Gamecube and Xbox, I only use them for gaming. Except for iTunes I never boot to windows anymore. So a mac would be the perfect solution to this. And I really think I'm not the only one.

Quit with the same old tired sterotype (2, Informative)

multiOSfreak (551711) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004531)

As soon as that 20% realizes there's no games for that shiny Mac in the store window, they'll stay right where they are.
While it is true that most mass retailers don't have Mac games in stock, there are plenty of the latest hot game titles available for purchase online. And once more people move to Apple, the retailers will start clearing some shelf space for Mac software.

And besides, games are a good excuse to have at least two computers: one on which to get work done (Linux or Mac), and one on which to play games (Windows). That being said, there are an awful lot of games you can get for Macs or play the windows version on Linux via Cedega. (I've done a bit of both)

Re:20% switching? No way. (2, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004549)

Maybe 20% of iPod users don't play games (yeah, some people use their computers for things other than video games)? Maybe 20% will be happy with the games that are available for Mac (yeah, there are some games. A goodly portion of the good games make it over sooner or later). Maybe 20% of iPod users also have Playstations. Maybe 20% are willing to take the chance that more games will be ported over as the market share grows?

Each of these possibilities are imaginable, so I think "Never happen" might be a little premature.

WINE? Re:20% switching? No way. (1, Troll)

templest (705025) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004551)

You know, "Wine Is Not An Emulator" WINE? [] Copy over a few of the files off an old Windows 98 CD + some fonts 'n' libraries and you can be playing "World of Warcraft", "Half-Life 2", "GTA: San Andreas", or whatever else you'd like. And if that fails, just get Cedega [] for $5. They're for linux, but they work just as well on a Mac. I know, I've tried.

Re:20% switching? No way. (2, Informative)

MrBandersnatch (544818) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004557)

Im being given a mac myself (for web testing) and I was under the same impression until I saw the selection. WoW on a mac-mini? Going to have that thing plugged into my TV :)

Re:20% switching? No way. (1)

Have Blue (616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004588)

Then they'll look at the shiny console in the next window over, realize it doesn't matter, and buy the best of both worlds.

Yup (5, Funny)

bahwi (43111) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004421)

Well, not a total switch, I think only a few slashdot readers are capable of switching.

Did you mean, "Add to your collection?"

Re:Yup (1)

TheGuano (851573) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004452)

That is the correct response.

Re:Yup (1)

Obliterous (466068) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004492)

Yep, that sounds a LOT more logical.

I've got 3 different flavors of *nix, 3 windoze machines and a Mac sitting on various desks here at home. No switch, just using each for what it does best.

ha! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004422)

first post

bleh (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004425)

Someone at Forbes is a smok'n the crack.

Would love to but... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004428)

I would love to make the switch. But not until I can do my #1 computing activity games. No matter how you slice it, gaming is not as rich on the mac platform as it is on the PC.

first post oneoneone! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004429)

! i got nothin

I did the opposite (2, Interesting)

plazman30 (531348) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004433)

Because I had a Mac, I bought an iPod.

Kudos to Apple, though, for getting more market share.

What's Interesting ... (3, Insightful)

stecker (263711) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004436)

What's interesting about this is that in some sense, an iPod user has the least reason to switch, as Apple has done such a good job of making iTunes work as well as it could possibly be expect to on both the Mac and the PC. Is it just a design thing?

I'm all for the trend, though, whatever the reason.

well... (1)

revery (456516) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004439)

how many iPod-touting Slashdotters are thinking of switching?

Well, I certainly tout, but I long to tote. Doesn't seem likely anytime soon.

There must be more to it (1)

Kimos (859729) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004440)

How about the Mini Mac? How about lower pricepoint iBooks? I think Apple has done quite a bit to make themselves a more serious contender in the desktop market.

I'm switching (1, Insightful)

MrP-(at work) (839979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004445)

I'm switching.. As soon as I get my free mini mac (placed my order on march 7)

Unless I sell it and buy DVDs instead

Re:I'm switching (1)

MrP-(at work) (839979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004481)

Oh and yeah I have an ipod.. Also got for free. Without the ipod I probably wouldn't have even tried for the mini mac, so it does seem having an ipod helps with the switch

Unless I sell my ipod and buy dvds hmm

Two-pronged attack (1)

alucinor (849600) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004446)

Maybe while Linux eats up some market share in the corporate space, Apple can eat up some of the consumer space.

Not me... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004447)

I can't afford to switch. I'll stick to PC's and Linux, thank you.

Why not (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004448)

Is not the new MAC OS basicly Linux?

Re:Why not (5, Funny)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004512)

Is not the new MAC OS basicly Linux?
No. It's basically BSD, which is, of course, dying .

Re:Why not (2, Informative)

larley (736136) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004514)

No. OS X is closed-source but it has an open-source BSD kernel. It is a unix-based OS but it has much more to it than Linux, which is only the kernel -- In a way, you could think of it as a BSD distribution, but there's a lot more to it than that.

Re:Why not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004574)

Uh, no.

WHY are you on Slashdot???

I, for one... (1)

robyannetta (820243) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004450)

I find the $499 price tag for the Mini affordable. I'll buy one.

No iPod (5, Interesting)

nelsonal (549144) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004456)

I do not have an iPod (and probably won't buy one), but my next system will either be a G5 iMac or a Mac Mini. The irony is that an X-Box was the final factor in my decision, since I found myself spending most of my gameplaying time on the console, I do not need a PC around to run games.

slashdotters should be higher... (1)

mattkime (8466) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004458)

I suspect that slashdotters would switch to Apple at a higher rate than the general population. After all, the juicy unix underbelly of OS X matters little to the man on the street.

Don't believe these numbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004461)

From here [] :

"IDC's numbers don't include free downloads or copies made and passed along to other users, nor does it include pirated copies of [operating systems] since these types of distributions would be impossible to count."

And that's just for Mac OS X. I imagine that the Linux numbers are much harder to count considering most of us who use Linux download them via BotTorrents or Linux P2P apps or ISOlation files.

I all ready did, but not because of the iPod (1)

mcSey921 (230169) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004464)

I started running an OS X network, so I figured I better get a machine capable of running it;)

.mac/Switch (1)

Scyblade (573785) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004467)

I did it for the chicks. []

Why this is big (5, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004468)

More marketshare means more income to spend on R&D. With what Apple puts out already, I can only imagine what they'll start putting out with more marketshare (compare to Microsoft's $10 billion a year R&D, and all they can put out are picture-viewing smartphones and media center TVs). At some point, there's a threshold where growth begins to fuel itself through momentum (maybe ~10% or so). With Longhorn not due out until 2006, Apple has the opportunity to grow a few more points next year as well.

Re:Why this is big (1, Insightful)

idlake (850372) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004565)

More marketshare means more income to spend on R&D. With what Apple puts out already

Can you point to any important research publications by Apple researchers in the last few years? I haven't seen any.

At some point, there's a threshold where growth begins to fuel itself through momentum (maybe ~10% or so).

Apple had more than 15% market share at some point; they dropped to the current 2-3% from that.

Switching (5, Interesting)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004469)

I used to hate Macs; pre-OSX I was convinced they were complete garbage. My next computer will probably be a Mac. I do own an iPod, but it wasn't the iPod that convinced me to switch; it was seeing that OS X is based on UNIX, and that it looks incredibly spiffy, and that it's stable, and....

Have you ever been face-to-face with their 30" Cinema? It's the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

Re:Switching (1)

nb caffeine (448698) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004595)

Not the 30" cinema, but one of thier smaller ones. Still gorgeous. Im in the same camp as you (dont own an ipod, but the hated macs pre osx.) Ever since i got into linux a year and a half or so ago, i find myself wanting more out of my PC, and windows doesnt have enough cli for me :) My girlfriend asked me yesterday how i remember "all that code" when using my computer (i was just mounting a samba share via cli). I told her that for me, it is easy, and even if i had a gui to mount the samba share setup, command line is faster for me. Then again, for her, a pc is a tool, not a hobby.

I'm reversed.. (1)

MasterOfUniverse (812371) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004472)

I got mac mini when it came out..I'm so impressed by it, that now im thinking about buying ipod..Wonder how many people fall in my category?

not me (1)

Reignking (832642) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004477)

I'll continue to use my IRiver H320 and if I need another computer, I'll build one.

Not a switch - an addition (1)

jimbro2k (800351) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004478)

Probably few will make a switch from whichever Linux distro(s) or Windows(!) version(s) we are using. We probably still have an investment in those computers that we are unlikely to dump completely - at least not in the next 12 months.

Most of us do have multiple computers and will just add one more - an Apple this time. I will and I don't think I am atypical in that regard.

I'm still running my SGI boxes occasionally, and my old NeXT Cube still works!

open architecture (-1, Flamebait)

Cannedbread (841645) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004485)

as soon as i can build my own mac from stuff at frys, ill switch.

iPod? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004486)

I don't think it's the iPods that are attracting the slashdot crowd perhaps quite so much as the great UNIX integration os x has. If you're already a linux or unix user you find that switching to OS X is almost a transparent operation, you're just running iChat instead of Gaim and doing the exact same stuff in Terminal. And if all your windows box was being used for was to check mail and ssh into the UNIX boxes, well, why did you need it? Go hang around a UNIX-centric computer science department sometime or a UNIX-centric corporate research department, you'll be amazed by how many powerbooks you see.

It's funny, switching between operating systems, you find there really aren't any compatibility or transition issues unless one of the endpoints is Windows...

Rumors of.... (5, Funny)

aengblom (123492) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004491)

What was that? Rumors of Apple's imminent *survival*?

I give Apple six months before Jobs shuts the place down just to spite us all.

So 5% takes them back to... (3, Insightful)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004493)

the level they were at in, what, 1992? No sarcasm intended.

Apple makes a great product, but I seriously doubt it will see double-digit market share any time soon.

Go ahead Apple zealots, mod me into oblivion for speaking heresy.

I'll switch (1)

thebra (707939) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004498)

as soon as I can play all my games on it, buy the hardware I want for it, and not have to pay thousands of dollars for it. If I was doing multimedia only (audio/video editing) I'd already own one.

False numbers (0, Flamebait)

Asshat Canada (804093) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004504)

I thought roughly 1 in 10 people were gay?

Wouldn't that give Apple a 10% share?

Something doesn't add up here.

Wow, five percent. (0, Troll)

ColMustard (698424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004505)

That's really great. "5 down, 95 to go! ... still."

Apple Logic 7 (1)

CorrosiveGod (869652) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004506)

.....Which is enough reason for me to buy a dual CPU PowerMac, or a 17" PowerBook.

The usual story (1)

ilmari7 (732547) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004510)

Couldn't resist Apple marketing any longer, so I got a Shuffle few weeks back. Love it. Going to get a 15" PowerBook once my ThinkPad runs out of steam in a year or two. Also talked my girlfriend and family into Apple. That makes me just another convert I suppose.

Switcher (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004515)

I actually got an iBook first, then an iPod shuffle.

I just got a gamecube to satisfy my game needs (played through eyetv on my mac) so I can give my massive tower PC to my dad.

Got an iPod because I switched (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004519)

I'm posting anonymously, because I have mod points.

I switched last year, and I got an iPod this year. I suppose this would be a reverse iPod halo effect? I might have purchased an iPod in any case, I might not.

One factor which really made me choose an iPod over other music players is that for Macintosh users, you can use the iPod as an emergency startup drive. It takes a little work to set it up, and Apple doesn't officially support this use, but it's nice to have when you're in a bind.

Switching to mac (1)

sloanster (213766) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004521)

In "market" of my household, I run linux, my son runs linux, both daughters have OSX laptops, and my wife runs w2k - I'm seriously thinking of cutting microsoft out of the picture completely and getting my wife a mac, which would make us a 100% unix household. The prospect of complete freedom from worms and viruses is a big incentive, as is the utter coolness of not having to deal with microsoft any longer.

Why I switched BACK from Apple to Windows (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004525)

I actually am the only person I've ever talked to in engineering who switched FROM PC to Apple but then switched back to Windows.


- World domination: Microsoft owns the market. I don't care what number you want to quote, but when it comes to writing shareware/freeware for a living like I do, you have to do it in Windows or else you won't be eating very long.
- Top-notch developer tools: Visual Studio, C#, etc. all make coding incredibly easy. Going back to writing Object Oriented C or AppleScript from within Vi on a Mac OS X box just seems... well, archaic.
- Price: Windows for me is cheaper. I get a new Dell box for $599 every 6 months which lets me build faster.
- Devices: My Windows mp3 player was half the price of iPods of equivalent storage. Why pay twice as much for half-the functionality??

Switch (2, Insightful)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004530)

I have an iPod, but when I got it I just used it under linux. To be honest, it worked great, and I could care less for iTunes or any of that crap. I "switched" much later on after being lent a 300Mhz powerbook by a friend... even though it was slow, I could do everything I needed in OSX that my craptacular 650Mhz acer laptop could do, and I got 4 hours of battery life.

OSX was the workhorse that sold me on Apple... the iPod's just a toy for long car trips and lugging data files around.

Forbes? (0)

gwernol (167574) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004534)

The summary says Morgan Stanley predicts...

The linked article says Morgan Stanley predicts...

Why on earth does the Slashdot headline say "Forbes predicts..." ?

Good to see the usual quality control procedures are in place. Sheesh.

I already have (1)

the_rev_matt (239420) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004536)

When it came time for me annual system upgrade, I did the math and realized that I could get more bang for my buck switching to a Mac Mini. Two months in and I couldn't be happier. My old linux workstation is now my file server, and my old file server is now a doorstop.

Wrong Crowd (3, Insightful)

hawkbug (94280) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004542)

I think you're asking the wrong crowd. What I mean is, for myself, I enjoy "building" computers. I do it at work, and I enjoy putting together slick systems for myself and others I know. If I could install Mac OS X on these machines, I would in a heartbeat. I do use Linux in some cases, but Windows ends up being the defacto standard because people know it more than Linux. I'm willing to bet many slashdotters, besides the current Apple users, probably like building computers as well. If I could get an IBM PPC chip on a stock motherboard I could buy online and build myself a Mac clone, I might do it.... but what I know for sure is that AMD 64 chips are amazingly fast, fairly cool, and cheaper than most alternatives on the market right now. So, what I REALLY want, is Mac OS X ported for x86. Then I would definitely switch, and possibly a large number of other slashdotters would give it a try as well. But, I know Apple makes cash off of very expensive hardware, and they would never give that up. So, what I'm trying to say is, it would take a hell of a lot more than a fancy MP3 player (that works fine with Windows BTW) to switch both software and hardware for me. I'm not saying I'm the average slashdotter, but I'm willing to bet many people share some of the same preferences I do (even though there is no question somebody will violently disagree with this post like always).

iPod-touting Slashdotters thinking of switching (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004544)

I am! The psychotherapist has to approve, and I have to stay on the hormones for a couple more months, but then I can apply for my reassignment surgery.

I wanted to, but the price, oh, the price... (2, Informative)

Joe Decker (3806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004545)

Looked into switching a bit more than a year ago for my last laptop purchase. For a best-monitor, 2GB RAM, 60 or 80GB disk configuration with as-comparable-as-possible other details, the Powerbook was $1100, or over a third again as expensive as the comparable Dell, and the Dell had, in some ways, a nicer display, higher-resolution although physically smaller. If it had been a few hundred, and I hadn't had to lose resolution, I might have gone through with it, but for me, last year, the Apple Premium was too high.

iTunes -- the "killer app" (1)

mi (197448) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004546)

Or FreeBSD [] -- the killer OS?.. Good for Apple.

Linux people switching (4, Interesting)

krgallagher (743575) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004550)

"All this suggests the question ... how many iPod-touting Slashdotters are thinking of switching?"

I have been consulting for a large Linux shop the last few months and was surprised at the number of people running Mac laptops. The company itself provides Linux desktops for everyone, and Windows laptops for the suits, but a lot of the developers and other IT people use Mac laptops for their personal computers. I have to say I have been pretty impressed with what I have seen in terms of performance. Besides Mac just give you that extra little "Wow!" factor. Of course it is BSD under the hood, so it is a real OS. They really are slick machines. I do not think that the Ipod is the influencing factor here though.

Morgan Stanley (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004553)

Never trust an analyst for a stock broker.

They always have an axe to grind.

If their so fucking smart, what are they doing on the pages of ZDnet? If their so incisive, shouln't they have be their own money by now and made a killing and bought their own island by now?

In fact, the smart money is betting that Apple
is once again, just a passing fad. People will wise up and that they can buy cheaper whether is DRM/MP3 player or a computer.

I did. (1)

someonehasmyname (465543) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004558)

I made the switch, but I got a PowerMac first, then got the iPod.

What's the plan, Steve? (1)

jafac (1449) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004559)

So the question is; what's Steve Jobs' plan to capitalize on this?

Will Apple push the iPod platform's technolgy forward?
(for example, stay on the forefront; push the storage envelope to allow users to store music in more audiophile freindly formats like AIFF? increase battery life? Keep the RIAA out of the pricing equation?)

Will Apple do anything to make sure this hard-won marketshare will stay on the Macintosh?
(for example, do something to attract more third party software to the platform, make pricing more attractive, etc)

Or will Apple rest on it's laurels?

I've owned 2 iPods. (1)

gandell (827178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004563)

And yes, I hope to own a Mac mini.

OSX for x86 (1)

datadriven (699893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004564)

They're never going to take much more than that. If they really want to compete they need to release OSX for x86

Big-S Switchers (2, Informative)

dduck (10970) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004568)

I did. Started with an iPod 20GB. Then got the GF a nice 12" Powerbook. Then got her a 40GBiPod. Then got myself a Power Mac.

Now I've started porting my commercail applications to OS-X.

I guess the ole' Reality Distortion Field really DOES work, eh? :D

Apple vs. Dell -- Who do you think will win? (0, Flamebait)

Piewalker (777952) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004589)

Five percent market share increase? Whooped-dee-doo. Dell already won the race. You can count me out of the Mac world. The only outstanding products are their monitors. They have superior display resolution, period, unless anyone else can show me a product that's better. Aside from that, Macintosh as a brand would have to grow much faster to overtake any PC ground, and that seems unlikely with their otherwise equivocal or inferior products, including the IPOD or the Mac Mini.

Right Here. (1)

theblueprint (749157) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004593)

I have every intention of switching. It's soley becasue my iPod has exceeded every expectation I had. I play sports titles almost exclusively, so I could care less if it plays games.

I've had an iMac in a saved cart for a while. I even got a phone call from Apple asking if I had made the purchase yet. I thought this was bizzare...anyone else have an apple rep call them on behalf of a cart they had saved?

I did: iPod as a foot-in-the-door for PowerBook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004596)

Long time Windows and Linux user, I bought my first Mac this past summer based in part on my experience with my iPod - and I'm a likely buyer of a solid dual-core PowerMac.

It's more than just iPod compatibility. The whole buzz around Apple makes me a lot more confident that the products will be supported and upgradeable for the long haul.

More expensive? Sure, but overall the "GUI experience" has been a lot more positive than Windows or Linux.

That $499 iPod was what drew me in for the $2799 PowerBook kill.

2 in our household (2, Informative)

jabella (91754) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004597)

We've got two switchers in our household. One was pre-ipod, one was post ipod.

Coming from a primarily Unix background, the switch for me was the appeal of nice hardware with the ability to get to all of my command line stuff while still having the slickness factor. I built white-box PC's for years, and was definitely 'anti-mac' for a long time. Using my g/f's powerbook was what got me to switch... "Hey look, you can use vi on it!"

On my g/f's side, the primary drive was being able to do what she does easier (desktop publishing, email, web, im,) and without as much worry about spyware, ads, etc.

We're now a 2 mac, 2 ipod household.

Count me in. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12004598)

I used Windows 95/98/2000/XP until 2001.

In 2001, I switched 100% to Linux.

In 2004 I bought an iPod.

In 2005 I bought a PowerBook (the current generation).

I still use Linux a lot (on my desktop machines, of course), but my PowerBook with Mac OSX rocks. It isn't perfect, but I do think it is the best laptop platform in the universe. Despite the one and only one mouse button.

I left MS-Office behind long ago; now I use OpenOffice (and NeoOffice on the Mac).

Am I like your average computer user? No ... just one girl's life.

My dealings with Apples and Macs (3, Informative)

drakethegreat (832715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004600)

A few years ago everyone told me not to touch a mac. Then in 2004 I got a 20 GB ipod and realized the potential. I can listen to almost all my music in the car using an aux input on my deck and I can portably listen to music on my way to class or anywhere I feel like. I even sometimes carry around an RCA cable and jack to RCA convertor so I can use it on most people's stereos. At the time I still had a thinkpad which was running linux (I was switching distros often) and I was not satsified. Don't get me wrong, I love linux but I realized that until the wireless drivers are improved, its not a great laptop distribution (I had a discussion about this with one of the PHLAK developers who was also irritated about this situation). So what did I do? I bought a Powerbook G4. OH NO some people are thinking. Its memory is lower quality and its processor isn't 3 Ghz. Yet ultimately the processor is powerful enough to do everything that a laptop should do and the software is seemless. I can compile most programs I want from linux and it accomplishes my needs with perfect wireless support and allows me to still have an easy setup to use gcc during my Computer Science classes. It beats Windows and if you ever have doubts just run a PowerPC distro on it. Yet I think some people will be impressed with how far MacOS has gone in the last few years.

New ibook owner (1)

xlogan (38021) | more than 9 years ago | (#12004601)

I've always been a Mac and FreeBSD fan and just recently purchased a used G3 ibook from a friend. I'm now thinking about replacing all of my *BSD boxes with Apple ;-) The power of Unix with the beauty of Apple; a great combination.
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