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163 comments

Autonomy ? (1, Interesting)

mirko (198274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010231)

Something that really concerns me is these laptop's autonomy, I think that it's of no use if it cannot at least play one DVD on batteries. What about this one ?

argh! (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010240)

Battery life : approx 1.8 hours.
I guess it's only when using the notepad with the light dimmed and no sound.
This "carryable" is a joke !!!

Re:argh! (2, Informative)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010393)

It says:

Estimated Life: 1.3 hours

on the linux version. That's barely one average commute by train.

Re:Autonomy ? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010246)

Yeah, I wouldn't want my laptop to be self-governing.

Re:Autonomy ? (2, Informative)

bcmm (768152) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010254)

If it's like my Actius MM-10 (got it cheaply on ebay) it isn't really intended to be independent. It's really small and light, and it has a docking station so that it can act as a USB disk when powered down(a proper one - not with stupid drivers). However, it's not that powerful and it has a small HD (not that that matters when you use the docking station).
It's definitely intended for use with a desktop.

your sig (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010267)

I'd suggest:
  • strings /dev/ram | grep -i llama
or:
  • grep -i llama /dev/ram | strings

Re:your sig (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010663)

Second one won't work because grep will see /dev/ram as a binary file.

Actually... (1)

some_random_person (774906) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011744)

That's only if you invoke strings or grep directly on /dev/ram (or /dev/ramN)... since it's a cat followed by a pipe through strings, it will work.

It just wouldn't do anything useful.

Re:Autonomy ? (2, Informative)

delire (809063) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010313)



I get 4.5 hrs, including watching a DVD on my Asus M6N, though I don't quite know why this performs so well; considering watching/ripping DVD's is around twice the battery load.

. http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusm6nphotos.html [agearnotebooks.com]

I run a fairly light window manager, which I'm sure hits the GPU and processor with a softer hand albeit.

I agree!!! Only want it for Porn! (0)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010348)

Sharp's marketing material talks about this being used for medical, educational, oil/gas, etc????

Who cares!!!!!! I just want to know what porn is optimized for this ;-)

Re:Autonomy ? (1)

geekfest (212001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010762)

1.3 hours is not long enough for most movies, but I think I could fit about 8 cartoons into that time. Maybe the problem is what you're choosing to view.

I think this is the start of something new (4, Interesting)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010239)

I was going to say "Bah, what's the use", but this is actually really cool.

Put aside that it's running Linux for a minute. Who cares what software is running it? Not important.

What is important is that we are finally moving away, on a hardware level, from flat, 2 dimensional displays. While the "Help me Obi-one Kenobi" 3D displays are still a long way off (or disappeared a long, long time ago), this is an immense step forward.

Re:I think this is the start of something new (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010283)

While the "Help me Obi-one Kenobi" 3D displays are still a long way off (or disappeared a long, long time ago), this is an immense step forward.
Ah yes but
EmperorLinux, Inc. is the distributor. May the dark side of the force be with you.

Re:I think this is the start of something new (4, Funny)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010317)

Me too! I'm always skeptical of new claims of 3D, but then I looked at the Sharp marketing materials! Did you see the way the dolphins are coming right out of the screen!!!

I love dolphins!!!! I'm going to buy one of these right now!

Re:I think this is the start of something new (1)

akadruid (606405) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010600)

Insightful? That's an intelligent moderation.

Anyhow, it is insightful, dolphins do sell laptops, but more to the point with this, is will joe consumer or the PHB see enough here to spring the extra? I don't think so, not yet. Stuff like this needs to demonstrate real usefulness, fad appeal or low price difference before it hits the mainstrean. It's too far out in the 'noosphere' for now.

Re:I think this is the start of something new (0)

krymsin01 (700838) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010615)

It's so realistic that you'll want to fuck the dolphins!

Re:I think this is the start of something new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010328)

http://www.io2technology.com/dojo/196/v.jsp?p=/tec hnology/images

ok, its still only flat 2d, but i bet it can be extended to 3d.

But so what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010567)

While the "Help me Obi-one Kenobi" 3D displays are still a long way off (or disappeared a long, long time ago), this is an immense step forward.

Yeah, but other than the fact that a flat clear surface was not required, what extra information was conveyed by having the message be in 3d? I can see some specialized applications for a true 3d (e.g. walkaround) display (scene visualization, CAD, etc), but mainstream, I can't currently imagine what having a 3d display would buy me in my web browsing, document editing, and programming everyday routine.

Can you offer up a few examples of how this tech could be used by the everyday person?

Re:But so what (2, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010599)

This kind of "solution looking for a problem" attitude isn't welcome round these parts.

Re:But so what (2, Interesting)

LocoMan (744414) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010905)

Well, if this becomes mainstream it could have some interesting uses, like for example having windows in the background actually look like they're below the active one. It won't really have much practical uses, but it'll have some nice eyecandy (hopefully without much performance hit if it's done in the 3D card level)

Personally, as an amateur 3D animator I'd really like to have something like this, it would really help a LOT when doing 3D stuff if I could quickly tell which parts of the wireframe are closer than others... staring at wirefame of a high poly object can get very confusing and most of the times a bit of turning around is needed to make sense of it.

3d post (4, Funny)

MarkoNo5 (139955) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010242)

Sorry, couldn't resist :)

Re:3d post (1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010569)

Why's that fucking moron so highly odderated ?
Is that because he sucks ESR's dick ?

Problem is... (2, Insightful)

knownsense (558106) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010243)

I dont ever see the discounts that are supposed to accrue from not paying MS Tax... Another point, what about the peripherals?

Re:Problem is... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010453)

that's because there is no discount.

first off. Nobody is fucking stupid enough to pay the full $300 for Windows. Only end-users get charged that. OEM's like Dell and other manufacturers have contracts and pay around 30-34 dollars per copy.

Second off, Emperor Linux doesn't get the Sharp without Windows. They buy it from the company with Windows installed just like you and I do, and just install Linux over it and sell it as a 'linux notebook'. If you look closely you'd notice that dual boot doesn't cost extra (or shouldn't)

It's not a Linux notebook per say, like HP's Linux notebook, it's a Windows notebook that has been formatted with Linux install.

Saves you the trouble of getting everything working, but that is about it.

The peripherals? Same as anything else.

Re:Problem is... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010511)

You don't burn in Hell for supporting an evil monopoly..! ;)

Re:Problem is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010603)

The MS tax is about $15 bucks. On a $4000 laptop, well, if you can afford it, you can afford to get over it.

You don't want to pay the MS tax, but a ghetto linux box from Walmart, you'll have to install english language support, it's set up for chinese by default.

Re:Problem is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010771)

The computers are not made in china, they are made in taiwan just like the computer your currently using. Some are assembled in the US, like if your using a Dell, but that's about it.

That being said if you don't want to buy Windows, you do like what I do, which is not buy computers whole, I just build them myself.

Trouble is that you can't build laptops, and since I can't do that there isn't much point in sticking around x86, so I bought a Ibook and installed Linux on it.

It's funny, OS X fanboys go 'why would you use Linux when you have OS X?', and then when I show them I am using ratpoison for a window manager they start to cry.

Re:Problem is... (2, Informative)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011543)

We have to pay the MS tax too. ( I work at Emperor ).

It's not that bad for us since most of our customers still want dual-boot, but it's disheartening when somebody
orders a 100% Linux (the "no-Win situation" in our parlance) and still has to pay the same Windows license price. =/

Drop Windows Add $500???!?! (5, Interesting)

TheLoneCabbage (323135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010255)


How exactly does Emporer Linux justify chargin $500 more for a computer without a licencsed OS?

I'm not great fan of Windows, but why should I pay $500 so that some screw up can spend 15min installing a version of Linux I don't like (vs one I do like)?

I think I've just stoped wondering why linux as a desktop OS has never taken off.

Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! (2, Interesting)

tricops (635353) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010335)

The $500 is undoubtedly BS, but they're some shop I've never heard of before... and Sharp may never have heard of before, or reasonably close. They're probably paying full price, with MS tax.. etc... heh...

Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011636)

> but they're some shop I've never heard of
> before... and Sharp may never have heard of
> before, or reasonably close

We're actually official partners with Sharp, IBM, and Dell (working on Sony). The AL3D we demoed at Boston LWE was
a prototype that the Sharp mobile division guys hooked us up with. It's serial number was 3. =)

> They're probably paying full price, with MS tax

We do have to pay the microsoft tax, sadly.

Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! (2, Insightful)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010358)

Should be noted that it isn't that the OS is unlicensed, but rather that it theoretically (and most likely practically) doesn't cost anything for them to license it.

But, yeah, Linux hasn't taken over the desktop market because all the distros with OEM deals make crap.

emm' (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010437)

... and this post is quite frankly a 'payed for advertisement post' (yapp, slashdot has started being dubious too). And I'd guess it was 'Emporer linux' that payed for it.. :)

Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! (5, Interesting)

Mjlner (609829) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010440)

How exactly does Emporer Linux justify chargin $500 more for a computer without a licencsed OS?

They justify it by doing stuff to it. Whatever stuff is and whatever pricetag they choose to put on stuff is their business. Your business is to decide whether or not you want to pay for stuff.


Their version of linux is just an option. You don't need to buy from them. Some people do want to pay for a pre-installed OS. And don't forget the PHB's who don't linke the sound of "cheap software/freeware". (Yes, I know the difference between freeware and free software.)

Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! (2, Interesting)

kisak (524062) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010492)

What Emporer Linux charges for their custom version of Linux is a matter for them and the customers they can attract. A more interesting question is if Sharp forces them to pay the Windows tax, or if Sharp lets them buy the laptop without Windows pre-installed. I don't mind paying extra for a nicely setup linux system that is tuned for the hardware I am using. But I do mind giving money to the anti-competitive company MS which tries to sabotage linux and other software I use. Especially since I have not used any software from MS the last 6 years or so.

Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! (2, Funny)

zecg (521666) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010502)

How exactly does Emporer Linux justify chargin $500 more for a computer without a licencsed OS?

Their Linux is lovingly hand-crafter, rolled between the thighs of Indonesian virgins and each package is sealed with a kiss from Linus Torvalds himself. And it's not "Emporer", but EMPEROR!!! EMPEROR, damn your illiterate bones. The finest of Linuxes.

Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! (5, Informative)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011247)

> I'm not great fan of Windows, but why should I pay $500 so that some screw up can spend 15min installing
> a version of Linux I don't like (vs one I do like)?

Somebody didn't rtfa (yeah yeah, I must be new here). First, we install all the major distros standard, and will do any
distro you like for an additional fee. I'm the maintainer of our Debian and Ubuntu installers, for instance. And, we
"justify" our markup because we put hundreds of hours of work into building a custom kernel for the machine that
supports everything on it. That's winmodems, wireless, all the power management features, etc. When necessary,
we write the code ourselves (and submit it upstream.)

We also provide technical support to all our customers, and frankly I suspect that's why most of them keep coming
back to us.

Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! (0)

Mirk (184717) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011725)

How is this flamebait?

Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! (-1, Troll)

heybo (667563) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011812)

Still it isn't like you built the OS from the ground up. Are you paying RedHat for the use of the Fedora code??? sure you have to customize the OS for the hardware, but once that is done it is a matter of just loading images of the customized OS. Hundreds of hours labor spread out over hundreds of laptops sold doesn't equal $500.00 a pop. Its not like you are customizing Windows and have to "pay up front for the OS. How long does it take to burn an image to a drive? 45 mins.? So you are being paid $500.00 for 45 mins. work after setting up the OS.

Yes we charge about $500.00 to set up a server, but This is a case of setting up a SINGLE server. When we image an OS to go on several machines we DO NOT charge the single server price per machine. The more machines the cheaper it gets.

Personally I think this is a rip off and I do hope you go out of business. I do hope that whoever owns the base code comes after you for selling their "Free as in beer" code. Face it you are making a ton of money off of someone elses work.

Damn dude you worse than Bill and the boys!

Dolphins? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010257)

Hehe.. Those should have been penguins.. ;)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAAAAAA!!!!!11 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010265)

Mod parent +1 insightful.

Re:Dolphins? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010331)

Perhaps it's running MySQL .....

Good choice of distros (2, Insightful)

szlevente (705483) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010260)

EmperorLinux (based on Fedora 3), Slackware, Red Hat Professional, Mandrake, Suse, Debian....they offer quite a good choice. Especially as most of these come for $0. Perhaps cusotmers will be more attracted to this notebook, when they see they don't have to pay extra $$$ for an operating system.

Re:Good choice of distros (3, Informative)

0x461FAB0BD7D2 (812236) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010272)

Except they do have to. The difference in price between the Molecule and the Actius AL3DU is approximately $500. For a Linux install.

It's not appealing to anyone.

Re:Good choice of distros (1, Funny)

szlevente (705483) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010302)

Sorry, I missed that. This is hilarious, $500 for a Linux install.

what software is positioned to take advantage? (4, Interesting)

harlemjoe (304815) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010263)

can anyone detail software optmized to take advantage of the 3D display technology

I've never heard of any software (CAD/CAM included) that is optimized for 3D glasses -- what utility does the A3CLU add to the computing experience?

And what linux apps are optimized for this? It would seem a bit of a waste if the only 3D tools were, say, KDE Widgets...

Besides the cool factor that is...

Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? (2, Funny)

MoralHazard (447833) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010293)

"can anyone detail software optmized to take advantage of the 3D display technology?"

I'm gonna go with "Jack Shit", at least at the moment. I mean, this is literally the first consumer product the bring this technology to market.

Although JackShit 2.1 (the development fork) has limited support for the technology right now. You can grab a CVS snapshot from Sourceforge.

Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010321)

I can't say for sure as I don't have the hardware, but 3d card drivers can come with support for stereoscopic displays. Therefore, all you would need is a regular opengl app, and the driver would take care of the rest.

Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? (5, Interesting)

delire (809063) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010415)

Alot of medical imaging, chemistry software for Linux exists, and also alot of proprietary animation/modelling software, like Maya, which can exploit stereo imaging. The freely available Blender can also exploit it, as part of the render chain:

http://ltc2.smm.org/visualize/node/64 [smm.org]

The real question is not what Linux software uses it, but why and when you'd want to use it in the first place. I remember a few years ago a man tried to sell me a pair of USB stereoscopic glasses at a game development conference. He just couldn't believe it when I told him that immersion doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being inside the medium.

I see this laptop will be marketed at imaging professionals needing a mobile presentation device that serves a larger audience than the standard LCD; Polarisation/blacking distortion is annoying when you're trying to sell your good-looking wares.

Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? (2, Interesting)

mxpengin (516866) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010466)

Well , actually you dont need the glasses to perceive the 3D [pcworld.com] in this kind of laptops. Once I used one of this ones, And I really didn't ejoyed it, I got a headache .... Its just to weird :P

Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010717)

Actually, no. Not yet. Nothing to take on this feature really seriously.

That's probably why they've chosen Linux.

With free software community behind the project, soon there should be a plenty. Think "a box of Lego". Give it to a company expert and expect an analysis stating "This project isn't profitable enough". Give it to enthusiast kid and get some marvel made of it.

Lots of open source software just waiting to be modified to support the new feature (instead of begging manufacturers of the software to include it in new version...). There will be people actually interested in developing it - standard Open Source take: you get a new cool piece of hardware, you want to use it the way it suits you best so you write support for it, to use it yourself, then release the code. I guess this laptop is intended as a project to build a neat community of "hackers/modders" inventing new ways to use the cool feature. Something like TiVo - modding it is part of the fun.

Instead of asking "what software is positioned to take advantage?", ask "what software can we modify to take advantage?". That's what this thing is about.

Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? (2, Informative)

lovebyte (81275) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010788)

I believe that Pymol [sourceforge.net] can display stereo models. It's a modelling package for chemistry/biology. And it's open source. There are countless non open source software in chemo/bioinformatics that use stereo views.
I guess that's the reason why they call this laptop "molecule".

Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? (1)

Noehre (16438) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010961)

I use several software suites for drug discovery that use stereoimaging using 3D glasses.

It is extremely useful to see in 3D when trying to mentally fit a drug compound into a binding pocket on a protein. Doing it in 2D is a pain.

This laptop (for me) will be GREAT for dragging along to academic conferences and business meetings. Being able to show people exactly what work I'm doing for their new drug or whatever will be a great thing.

A niche market, but everybody is a niche for one market or another.

Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011361)

> And what linux apps are optimized for this?

Disclaimer: I work at Emperor Linux. We worked with the guys at Delano Scientific [delanoscientific.com] to get PyMol (the
open source Python molecule viewer) to get a demo of it ready for the show. However, the nVidia driver for Windows
already includes support for it directly, and the Sharp guys are working with nVidia to get that pushed into the
Linux nVidia drivers, so that any OpenGL app will work with the display. Even now, it only requires two additional
OpenGL calls to get a standard app to work with this; we did a quick hack to bzflag that we unfortunately didn't
have ready in time for the Boston show.

Yes, but... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010274)

Yes, but does it run li... oh, sorry, my bad.

Finally... (1, Insightful)

MoralHazard (447833) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010280)

Just when I thought I'd never be able to buy a $4,000+ laptop again, they come out with this baby! Way to drive the high-end market, Sharp!

Seriously, though--I just finally bought an LCD desktop monitor last October, when a 19" got below $400 with shipping (thank you, NewEgg!). I bought an MP3 player for $50 in December that accepts CF card media, which is about $60/GB (thanks AGAIN, NewEgg!). Now THAT's some cool shit.

time getting excited about it until they're selling enough volume to bring the price down to commodity levels.

Re:Finally... (2, Interesting)

C10H14N2 (640033) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010402)

Meh. Laptop specs seem to be flat-lining, but the prices are distinctly not dropping. I mean, come on, three years ago, I bought a UXGA/1Ghz/1GB Dell for $1,100 LESS than this, with TWO optical drives (one CDRW, one DVD) and about the same battery life. Yeah, gee-whiz technology, but from previous reports, it's about as "3D" as a prismatic baseball card (and, frankly, about as high-tech). The rest of the specs are downright underwhelming. Even if that damned screen was by itself worth $2k, this is still way overpriced, not least because they force you to toss out BOTH 512MB modules if you later want to max it out. Screw that, if you're going to pry $4k out of my hands, you can at least have the decency to use a single 1GB DIMM, damn it.

Win-modems (4, Informative)

szlevente (705483) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010292)

The software win-modems on the Kiwi, Raven, Toucan, SilverComet, and Rhino series systems are fully supported in Linux with win-modem drivers.
They just forgot to add that there is no free Linux driver for software win-modems with Conexant chipsets. The best I could find was at http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/, with a free version limited to 14.4 kbps. Add $14.95 to the price, if you want your modem to work.

Re:Win-modems (1)

Novus (182265) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010322)

Actually, the modem is supported by a free driver; the Linuxant driver before relicensing [int21.de] . Use that instead; in my experience it's quite stable and fast as long as it works with your kernel.

Re:Win-modems (1)

szlevente (705483) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010645)

I also used that, last year, after looking really hard, and it worked just fine with a 2.4 kernel. However, after upgrading to 2.6, I couldn't convince it to run anymore. I gave up after a few tries.

Re:Win-modems (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010374)

Win-modem? What's that? Is that like that "dialup" thing my grandpa is always ranting about?

Re:Win-modems (1)

asciimonster (305672) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010425)

I have some very bad experiences with the Linuxant drivers on my Suse 9.0 box. After I double-checked I installed the correct module with respect to the kernel version, it just kept crashing (like 100% lock-up) the PC when I had the connection open. Next I got myself a software modem (which was cheaper that the Connexant-based one!), which had full Linux support and have been a happy camper since.

By the way, just from a equality point of view, I bought the thing for EUR 15,- and pay nothing to use it in Winblows. But when I want to use it in Linux the price doubles (USD 14,-; ok, nearly doubles). Somehow that seems offly wrong.
Of course they sell it, they make the rules.

Re:Win-modems (2, Insightful)

bmw (115903) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010607)

They do actually say in the product details that the modem is only partially supported. This seems like an awfully strange choice of hardware given the circumstances. I know modems are nearly uesless these days with all the wifi networks everywhere but not only did they not include a wireless nic but I have to wonder what kind of company would sell a $4000 laptop with hardware that isn't fully supported by the pre-installed operating system. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

Re:Win-modems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12011033)

Obviously a company that bought a $4000 laptop from someone else to install linux on and resell it to Linux users.

Now, why Sharp built a $4000 laptop and felt the need to save $5 on a controller for the modem... well, I'm sure the CEO gets a bigger bonus for making that choice.

Re:Win-modems (2, Interesting)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011452)

> They just forgot to add that there is no free Linux driver for software win-modems with Conexant chipsets

Not to give away the family jewels (I work at Emperor Linux), but... check under the alsa heading of your kernel config,
and google for slmodem.

Supposed high-end laptop without a wireless card? (3, Interesting)

expro (597113) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010327)

Quite a hefty price for a laptop without a wireless card. Putting good wireless service into a Linux laptop would be a bigger step forward.

Re:Supposed high-end laptop without a wireless car (2, Interesting)

delire (809063) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010353)

Right, I don't see what the problem is. I have a Centrino and the builtin wireless (ipw2200) works out of the box on these machines with Mepis/Ubuntu/Mandrake.

Re:Supposed high-end laptop without a wireless car (1)

ttys00 (235472) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010477)

It only does 1024x768 too. If I'm paying that much for a laptop, it had better go higher than that.

Re:Supposed high-end laptop without a wireless car (1)

mrselfdestrukt (149193) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010608)

In other news: Sharp has increased the resolution on their new 3D line of laptops to 1028x772 due to customer complaints and comments posted on a site called slash-dot-dot-org.Sharp spokesperson said that customers will be delighted with the increased viewing area."It's not just 3 or 4 pixels bigger, but even more than that" he added.

Re:Supposed high-end laptop without a wireless car (1)

^DA (82715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010657)

I should say it's quite a hefty price no matter wich way you look at it. I mean...1.3 hour battery capacity?! I thought laptops were meant to free you from having to have a power outlet in the vincinity.

1.3 hours is not nearly enough!

Re:Supposed high-end laptop without a wireless car (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011437)

-nod- Right now, this technology (the 3D screen) is definitely targetted at a very specific professional market. We're
mainly seeing interest from people who want to use them for scientific visualization, medical imaging, and so on.
Gamers are not the market Sharp had in mind, I think. =)

I will say though, that with a Dothan processor and 2.5" Sata hard drive (and nVidia 6200 video driving only
a 1024x768 screen), this is one of the fastest computers I've used.

If it's not obvious, I work at Emperor Linux.

New concept (2, Funny)

gazpa (863326) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010362)

New concept in 3D sex TGP's. The next must be "Touch it" tecnology. ;P

Re:New concept (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010459)

still waiting for "scratch and sniff" :P

Scratch and sniff (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010629)

Better stay away from the goatse guy then...

US$4000? NOT FOR ME (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010394)

waaaaaaay too much for a laptop!

Gah price! (5, Interesting)

allanc (25681) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010498)

You know, I want to support Linux vendors, but the model with Linux costs *$500* more than the version with Windows direct from Sharp. That seems a little pricey for a free OS, eh?

(And I have to assume the sort of person who'd spend $3500 on a laptop to run Linux on either knows how to install Linux themselves or has people paid to do it for them)

Re:Gah price! (3, Informative)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011400)

> You know, I want to support Linux vendors, but the model with Linux costs *$500* more than the version with
> Windows direct from Sharp. That seems a little pricey for a free OS, eh?

I responded to this above, but briefly:

o) All our laptops work out of the box with Linux. Wireless, power management, winmodems, etc. all work. Most
of our customers don't have time to spend half a week getting their laptops up and running, but they do need
Linux for a variety of reasons.

o) We provide Linux tech support to our customers.

I will wait a bit. (-1, Offtopic)

supertsaar (540181) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010510)

From Sharp's website:

NOTE: The technology is not that clever that it will automatically change 2D images into 3D!!! That has to be done by appropriate software!

I will wait until the technology _is_ smart enough to do that...imagine all the old Ren and Stimpy shows in 3D !

Re:I will wait a bit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010546)

Imagine... Nethack... in 3D. That might be a justification for the $4000 price tag.

Re:I will wait a bit. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12011632)

...3d amulet of Yendor... *drool*

W00T! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010530)

So now I can view my pr0n from all sides???

One moe! (2, Interesting)

ajaf (672235) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010556)

I think it's great to see laptops with linux being sold, but I ask one thing, who buy this kind of laptop? A linux user, or a person who doesn't know that it comes with linux? If it's the second option, does this person keeps linux, or install windows after he realize it's not the operating system of choice?
It'd be great to see some statistics about that :)

Re:One moe! (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011473)

> but I ask one thing, who buy this kind of laptop?

A lot of our customers are engineers and research scientists, and a lot are college professors or otherwise attached
to education in some way. Most of them come to us because the already know they want Linux; we're not in the business
of trying to sell Linux, just Linux Laptops. =)

kindergarten (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010595)

now you can see your kindergarten pixels (1024) in 3d.

it'll be like static tetris.

Re:kindergarten (1)

wed128 (722152) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011252)

could someone please explain? Kindergarten Pixels?

Appliances (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12010670)

This will be great for engineers etc. wanting to take their SGI IRIX boxens out in the field (anyway, Linux is pretty big on the 3d-market theese days i hear...).

Or just for running Sun Looking Glass 3D desktop :P

Now waiting... (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010734)

...till someone writes a Firefox extension to exploit the z-index: CSS parameter for rendering HTML in 3D :)

Sharp AL3D Windows software beta for non AL3D user (2, Informative)

langoulant (657025) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010770)

WARNING: SHAMELESS PLUG

I lead the team developing stereoscopic software that has been distributed with every Sharp stereoscopic 3D laptop ever produced. Well... All the Windows ones... If your interested in trying our DDD TriDef software with one of many stereoscopic viewing methods (anaglyph glasses; other glasses free 3d displays;) please send me an email mailto:Brendan.Langoulant@gmail.com [mailto] .

DDD TriDef software enables you to:

  • Watch your current 2D DVDs in stereoscopic 3D
  • enable stereoscopic display for existing third party OpenGL apps
  • convert 2D photos into stereoscopic 3D photos

You might like to check out our FAQs http://www.tridef.com/support/ [tridef.com]

Regards,
Brendan Langoulant
Director of Software
DDD

Saw this at LinuxWorld (4, Informative)

tweakt (325224) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010776)

The guys at Emperor Linux had one on display at LinuxWorld in Boston last month. It was creating a mob scene of people wanting to check it out. It's actally quite slick. The only thing is, it is very viewer-position dependent. Meaning, you have to be sitting right in the sweet spot to get the full effect. If you're a little off, you can still see it, but it's not as pronounced and you start to see some funkiness with the colors. The 3D mode can be switched on and off and in 2D mode, it looked usable (but 2D res looked pretty low to me, I'll stick with my SXGA+ thinkpad thanks).

Re:Saw this at LinuxWorld (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011300)

> The only thing is, it is very viewer-position dependent. Meaning, you have to be sitting right in the sweet spot
> to get the full effect

-nod- There's a little color-strip at the bottom that helps you find the right orientation. They're making big
strides in viewability though.

> but 2D res looked pretty low to me, I'll stick with my SXGA+ thinkpad thanks).

It's 1024x768. We're hoping the next generation is higher res. But, considering I'm on an IBM X31 right now, that's
the res I'm used to; then again, the AL3D is a bit heavier, too. =D

Battery Life (1)

manganese4 (726568) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010834)

The Emperor Linux version is speced with a 1.3 battery life. That will certainly be a down side at your local coffee shop since there never seems to be enough plugs.

Re:Battery Life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12011164)

So... The TP A31p is still the leader... with 3 batteries in the box I've got 4 - 5 hours of 2 GHz non-centrino fun...
& YES... it runs Linux...

Saw this in person at LWE (1)

luge (4808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12010959)

I saw this being demo'd at LWE. I have to say it was the coolest demo I saw at LWE, by a long shot. Hard to to it justice on the web..

Re:Saw this in person at LWE (1)

wjsteele (255130) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011328)

Actaully, it's only hard to do it justice if you don't already have a 3D display.

God... I wish I had a 3D display... think of the por... oh, never mind.

Bill

whee...I need one of those (1)

that IT girl (864406) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011005)

For the sake of cash, because I'm broke, I got a cheap Dell Inspiron 1000 (with barely enough $$ to shell out for extra memory, but it was worth it) running, of course, WinXP. What I need is an iBook, and then one of THOSE babies, with 512...That'd be the easiest way to test cross-platform performance, now wouldn't it? *sigh* I'm thinking I'm the only one who gets bouncy excited about these things.

8lb with a 1.3 hour battery for $4000, sign me up! (1)

WareW01f (18905) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011372)

Is this I time warp or what? Yes it's kewl, but scheesh. Holy luggable batman! Granted I'm biased as I used to use petite Sony VAIO laptop (haven't bothered to scrape up the cash to update the thing) so 3lb to 8lbs is a bit of a jump.

Seriously though, the trend is lighter and longer battery. Bigger and power hungry applications are the domain of the desktop (but hey, if they want to start using laptop tech to reduce power consumption, more power to them.) My back/shoulder demands it and lets face it, yes there is that sweet spot in the local coffee shop with the outlet but it's usually known by everyone else and hard to get. (Tip for the urban hacker, carry a power strip/extention cord. If you're planning to camp down for a while you can either negotiate with someone else outlet camping or at least make some new friends. Saved me a couple of times. And a great way to meet mobile individuals of the opposite gender, might I add. :)

Sharp quality is not very good (1)

papaver1 (846310) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011546)

I've had a few sharp products over the years, and think they are very good at innovating new products, but the overall quality of thier products is very low. I bought a Sharp laptop a year ago and have had to return it 4 times already to get it fixed becaues of it breaking down on me. I doubt this new laptop will last much longer, and its probably just as easy to somehow mess up the 3D display.

EmperorLinux puts out a good product (3, Interesting)

defile (1059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011801)

I got the smallest of the small Sharp Actius laptops and they pre-loaded it with Debian Linux at my request. They don't just slap a Linux distro on and push it out the door, they make sure everything works as advertised, customizing whatever they need to to make sure it does. The modem works! Software suspend works!

The model I got comes with a really small battery, and I bought an optional larger battery that has more life, but has a big buldge in it. The unit itself has no removeable disk drives -- everything is attached via USB. It comes with a docking station which allows the laptop to be used as a USB hard drive while it's powered off. Way cool.

EmperorLinux provides a detailed manual on making the most of your laptop through the Linux environment. But enough about the geek stuff.

The most important thing of all: when I pull this baby out at Starbucks, the chicks all turn their heads. A Dell doesn't do that. A Titanium Powerbook doesn't do that (anymore).

Score!

I saw one at LinuxWorld... (1)

sirReal.83. (671912) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011820)

I saw one at EmperorLinux's booth at LinuxWorld not too long ago. While the pseudo-3D display tech is interesting, it unfortunately comes with a quit-ugly interlaced look - like a TV.

I'll wait, I guess.

Still Can't Beat out the Mac (1)

vortex2.71 (802986) | more than 9 years ago | (#12011932)

When I first saw this story I was thinking ye-haa, but on closer inspection it looks like a pretty weak machine for the money in terms of RAM, weight, and hard drive size. My natural inclination is to switch from OSX back to Linux at the first opportunity for an "easy" transition, but this is somewhat tempered now. In a professional setting where price is less of a concern, you just can't beat OSX's combination of a "no worries" simplicity, unix capability, and the availability of open source products. I'm thinking I may never be able to switch back at this point.
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