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Jon Johansen Breaks iTunes DRM Yet Again

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the bad-jon-naughty-jon dept.

Media (Apple) 1286

ikewillis writes "Remember earlier today when Apple released an update supposedly blocking the hole in iTMS recently discovered by Jon Johansen? reports that he has already worked around the update, and iTMS can now be accessed from non-Windows/MacOS X systems using the new version of his PyMusique software. You can view his blog entry on the issue (ironically titled So Sue Me). More power to you, Jon!"

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Yes, more power to you (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018819)

One Steve Jobs gets the death penalty for copyright infringement legalized.

Re:Yes, more power to you (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019013)

Just lock this disgusting Swede away forever and be done with it.

How can these sandniggers dare defy the carefully and freedom-preserving copyright-laws of our beloved United States?

They should be forced to watch their own crappy movies and listen to their own ridiculous, non-sensical music.

I even demand that they use this shitty operative system that their fellow Linux Torfland has ripped off SCO; they should of course not be allowed even that, but using this obsolete piece of software is still better than letting them steal valuable copies of the most advanced operative system Windows XP Home Edition, so letting them use their crippled SCO-Unix is the lesser evil.

So sue him? (5, Funny)

nsaneinside (831846) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018825)

Oh, don't worry. They will.

Re:So sue him? (5, Informative)

ikewillis (586793) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018853)

Jon Johanson has already been repudiated of any crime in Norway, a country which isn't part of the EU and doesn't have any DMCA-style laws.

He's likely acting as a front for another group doing the grunt work who doesn't want the legal exposure.

Given the current legal precedent he's acquired in Norway, it's highly unlikely Apple will be able to prosecute.

Re:So sue him? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019010)

He's likely acting as a front for another group doing the grunt work who doesn't want the legal exposure.

Because posting something anonymously on USENET is so hard!

Please! Appearently some people are so envious of DVD-Jon that they disable their brain.

Re:So sue him? (1, Redundant)

kryogen1x (838672) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018885)

"They" have.

From TFA:

Johansen was prosecuted in Norway for releasing the DeCSS code in 1999, but was ultimately cleared of charges.

Get over it (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018826)

If you don't like the restrictions set on the songs, then don't pay $0.99 to buy it through the iTMS. Buy it or download it somewhere else...

Companies won't let us "Get over it" (4, Insightful)

VidEdit (703021) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018889)

"If you don't like the restrictions set on the songs, then don't pay $0.99 to buy it through the iTMS. Buy it or download it somewhere else..."

In the long run, that is a false option. More and more CDs are copy protected and eventually there will be no more cds made, just as they no longer make LPs. Both the content industry and electronics companies have a vested interest in restricting you from exercising your legal rights under copyright law.

Digital Rights Restriction, such as Apple's ironically named "FairPlay," prevent consumers from exercising their right to copy their music to playback the device of their choice.

Consumers have a number of legal rights that DRR'd music prevents them from exercising, including the right to re-sell their used music. The Doctrine of First Purchase says that you can re-sell copyrighted material without needing permission from the rights holder. This is why used bookstores are legal. And this right to resell still applies to music and digital files, hence the reason that used CD stores are legal.

Consumers have a legal right to re-sell their downloaded music, too, but Apple and other vendors of Digital Rights Restricted music make it technically impossible for consumers to exercise their legal rights under copyright law.

So, it isn't a matter of "Just by a CD or get your music 'somwhere else' and shut up." Fighting the indiscriminate appropriation of consumers legal rights by companies use Digital Rights Restriction technology is an important moral and legal issue

Re:Companies won't let us "Get over it" (-1, Offtopic)

masonbrown (208074) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018925)

Digital Rights Restriction, such as Apple's ironically named "FairPlay," prevent consumers from exercising their right to copy their music to playback the device of their choice.

The iPod is my playback device of choice. I buy songs that work with it. I don't go to Real or Napster, buy music, and then try to work around their DRM to strip it and make it compatible with my iPod.

Re:Companies won't let us "Get over it" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019014)


Again we see a lot of pompous pseudo-legal bleating by a /. wannabe lawyer - it really is too predictable.

Hey, you know what the music companies have to say about your "rights"? Fuck you. While the rest of the world cares only about hearing the music and not "important moral and legal issues" your noise will remain irrelevant.

The offer is there - pay your money, listen to the music or STFU. Sorry, but the .0000000001% of the market that you and your ilk represent isn't going to change anything. Like most slashdot readers you're probably a hypocrite anyway - how long will we have to wait before the next slashdot story drooling over a new DVD anime release?


Re:Get over it (1)

mp3phish (747341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018985)

If you don't like the restrictions set on your business, then don't go into business. spending billions to lobby law changes in several countries around the world to enable a never-successfull business model is no way to run a business. The recording industry should figure this out rather than lobbying for more restrictions on content. Maybe they would gain customers via loyalty rather than legal leverage "all your [laws] base are belong to us"

the RIAA can fuck themselves. If someone is going to get around their BS encryption (legally I might add because he isn't decrypting it) and they are going to throw a hissy fit, then that is their problem. You defending them however is just the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard a human being say (assuming you don't have any direct financial interest in the success of the RIAA) (if you do then why are you posting to slashdot?)

Lets watch the apple fanboys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018996)

come out of the woodwork to defend DRM. Its quite entertaining.

A Name! (4, Interesting)

kryogen1x (838672) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018828)

At least they called him by his name, not just "The iTunes back door guy."

I wonder, did he work around it that quickly, or was he anticipating Apple's fix and already knew another way around it?

Re:A Name! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018873)

and/or perhaps he has a connection on the inside? It seems to work for a lot of other underground enterprises.

Re:A Name! (5, Informative)

ikewillis (586793) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018894)

Apple merely locked out all clients not using the iTMS 4.7 protocol, which previous versions of PyMusique didn't support. The new version of PyMusique merely adds support for the new protocol revision. The unencrypted, DRM free songs are still sent to the client from the music store.

The only way for Apple to actually fix this hole is to handle DRM encryption server side, unless you consider the problem is unresolved due to the fact that DRM is a fundamentally flawed concept.

Re:A Name! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019024)

There is nothing flawed about DRM.

Apple could fix this easily. The iTunes client could send a public key to the store when purchasing a song, and the server would encrypt the song using that key. The client could then decrypt the song using its private key, and then apply the DRM.

Re:A Name! (4, Interesting)

RonnyJ (651856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018944)

It seems likely to me that he had already worked out the encryption for v4.7 of iTunes, but deliberately withheld it as he anticipated the forced upgrade to v4.7, and releasing such a 'quick fix' serves to gain him more notoriety.

As a record store owner. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018831)

My business faces ruin. CD sales have dropped through the floor. People aren't buying half as many CDs as they did just a year ago. Revenue is down and costs are up. My store has survived for years, but I now face the prospect of bankruptcy. Every day I ask myself why this is happening.

I bought the store about 12 years ago. It was one of those boutique record stores that sell obscure, independent releases that no-one listens to, not even the people that buy them. I decided that to grow the business I'd need to aim for a different demographic, the family market. My store specialised in family music - stuff that the whole family could listen to. I don't sell sick stuff like Marilyn Manson or cop-killer rap, and I'm proud to have one of the most extensive Christian rock sections that I know of.

The business strategy worked. People flocked to my store, knowing that they (and their children) could safely purchase records without profanity or violent lyrics. Over the years I expanded the business and took on more clean-cut and friendly employees. It took hard work and long hours but I had achieved my dream - owning a profitable business that I had built with my own hands, from the ground up. But now, this dream is turning into a nightmare.

Every day, fewer and fewer customers enter my store to buy fewer and fewer CDs. Why is no one buying CDs? Are people not interested in music? Do people prefer to watch TV, see films, read books? I don't know. But there is one, inescapable truth - Internet piracy is mostly to blame. The statistics speak for themselves - one in three discs world wide is a pirate. On The Internet, you can find and download hundreds of dollars worth of music in just minutes. It has the potential to destroy the music industry, from artists, to record companies to stores like my own. Before you point to the supposed "economic downturn", I'll note that the book store just across from my store is doing great business. Unlike CDs, it's harder to copy books over The Internet.

A week ago, an unpleasant experience with pirates gave me an idea. In my store, I overheard a teenage patron talking to his friend.

"Dude, I'm going to put this CD on the Internet right away."

"Yeah, dude, that's really lete [sic], you'll get lots of respect."

I was fuming. So they were out to destroy the record industry from right under my nose? Fat chance. When they came to the counter to make their purchase, I grabbed the little shit by his shirt. "'re going to copy this to your friends over The Internet, punk?" I asked him in my best Clint Eastwood/Dirty Harry voice.

"Uh y-yeh." He mumbled, shocked.

"That's it. What's your name? You're blacklisted. Now take yourself and your little bitch friend out of my store - and don't come back." I barked. Cravenly, they complied and scampered off.

So that's my idea - a national blacklist of pirates. If somebody cannot obey the basic rules of society, then they should be excluded from society. If pirates want to steal from the music industry, then the music industry should exclude them. It's that simple. One strike, and you're out - no reputable record store will allow you to buy another CD. If the pirates can't buy the CDS to begin with, then they won't be able to copy them over The Internet, will they? It's no different to doctors blacklisting drug dealers from buying prescription medicine.

I have just written a letter to the RIAA outlining my proposal. Suing pirates one by one isn't going far enough. Not to mention pirates use the fact that they're being sued to unfairly portray themselves as victims. A national register of pirates would make the problem far easier to deal with. People would be encouraged to give the names of suspected pirates to a hotline, similar to TIPS. Once we know the size of the problem, the police and other law enforcement agencies will be forced to take piracy seriously. They have fought the War on Drugs with skill, so why not the War on Piracy?

This evening, my daughters asked me. "Why do the other kids laugh at us?"

I wanted to tell them the truth - it's because they wear old clothes and have cheap haircuts. I can't afford anything better for them right now.

"It's because they are idiots, kids", I told them. "Don't listen to them."

When the kids went to bed, my wife asked me, "Will we be able to keep the house, David?"

I just shook my head, and tried to hold back the tears. "I don't know, Jenny. I don't know."

When my girls ask me questions like that, I feel like my heart is being wrenched out of my chest. But knowing that I'm doing the best I can to save my family and my business is some consolation.

Some people are offended by my blacklist system. I may have made my store less popular for pirates and sympathisers, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make to save my industry from destruction. I am inspired by artists such as Metallica that have taken a stand against the powerful pirate lobby. When everyone believes 2 + 2 = 5, to simply state the truth, that 2 + 2 = 4, is a courageous act.

Re:As a record store owner. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018857)

You posted all that text just two minutes after the story is posted? I smell a troll.

I am a subscriber. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018904)

Let me just say that DVD-Job is nothing short of the Denial of Service attack. I hope they are taken down. When is /. going to learn that you can't flood sites, steal music, or copy DVDs without repercussion?

Re:As a record store owner. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018933)

It was posted to a previous story. Someone is trying to start a new troll.

Re:As a record store owner. (1)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018982)

It's probably a copy and paste that he spews on every music related story because I saw the exact story on /. a LONG time ago.

Re:As a record store owner. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018968)

That post is at least a year old.

Re:As a record store owner. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018867)

I am proud to assist in bankrupting you sir, but the main reason I don't buy CD's is because they still cost almost 4 times the price of a DVD on sale. So, when the record companies get with the times and charge $5 for a CD, I'll start buying again. Till then, have fun trying to file Chapter 11 under the new Republican bankruptcy rules.

Re:As a record store owner. (4, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018905)

Even if every person who downloaded music from the Internet did so after paying for the music, such as through iTunes (I don't know if this hack involves circumventing the payment system or only the DRM attached to paid-for songs; I presume that it is the latter, because if it were the former then Apple and others would have a case against Jon for contributory copyright infringement and would have filed that suit already), your store would be suffering just the same.

Your problem is a business model that is becoming increasingly obsolete. Your solution is not to blacklist pirates, but rather to adapt to a market where people legally buy and download music from the Internet rather than purchasing it at physical record stores. If you can't compete in that market, then it's nobody's fault but your own that your business fails as a result.

Failed businesses are nothing to be ashamed of. But you need to do a cost-benefit analysis of each option in front of you. Among them are continuing as you are, adapting to the new marketplace, pursuing your blacklisting system (which only affects pirates, not lawful downloaders), and bailing out.

And remember: Shit happens.

Re:As a record store owner. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019015)


Re:As a record store owner. (1)

AC5398 (651967) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018928)

I guess you'll be blacklisting anyone who downloads legally-purchased music from itunes or puretracks eh. And those customers are going to have to go to the top of the list.

Dude, if your business is suffering, it might be because you're frightening the customers with the Dirty Harry act.

Re:As a record store owner. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018965)

Prolly a Troll.. But...

Face it. The business landscape has changed. Whining and blaming isn't going to help anybody. If you are that worried, then start an education program. Explain to your customers why pirating music is bad.

On the other hand, I just think of how the horse and buggy makers felt when the automobile was released. Their business was going away, and there was nothing they could do about it. Some adapted and became metal shops and embraced the new business opportunity, many others went away.

12 years ago, a record store was prolly a great investment. You got 12 years of support out of it. That a lot longer than most /. readers have ever worked for a single company. I'd be thankful that you got that long out of a single record store - esp when battling against B*stBuy and WallyWorld.

Oh yea, you can prolly blame the big box stores as well. But your post didn't even mention those stores. I think that those types of stores would have done more damage than internet piracy. Wallyworld for example is within a 20 minute drive of 90% of the USA population. Total domination.

Re:As a record store owner. (1)

LokieLizzy (858962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018974)

You sound rather bloodthirsty for the owner of a Christian record store.

I guess the biblical passage "Love thy neighbor" doesn't extend to "loving thy teenage customers", or "forgiving the pirates, for they do not know."


Re:As a record store owner. (1) (264791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018986)

This is the funniest thing I've ever heard. The guy uses [sic] after writing leet as "lete," and calls the internet... The Internet. Not to mention that the other kid replies that he'd get respect for posting a CD online. Hahahaha. Troll.

LOL! It's been years! (0, Offtopic)

holysin (549880) | more than 9 years ago | (#12019005)

I laughed my ass off the first time I read that joke (after realizing that it is in fact satire). Thanks for the laugh.

what a crap troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019025)

you could of been more original

cos iam sitting here at this freelance gig..

Third post biotch (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018832)


If this were Fark... (2, Funny)

bloggins02 (468782) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018837)

...I would be chastising you for inappropriate use of the "Ironic" tag. :)

Wow (1, Insightful)

DaNasty (833075) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018840)

Bravo, rare to meet someone with a set of balls these days.

Ironically? (-1, Offtopic)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018844)

No, Alanis, that's belligerent. Irony is another animal altogether, see here [] for details.

Sosumi ("So sue me") (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018934)

I hope that helps. []

Re:Sosumi ("So sue me") (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018970)

I didn't know that, thanks. Irony is still questionable, but at least he's picking up the intentional meaning of the word, aka sarcasm. (Compare with most Slashdot moderators. ;) (Moderators: That was a sarcastic joke, as well.)

Stop it! (-1)

MrP- (45616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018849)

I just had to reinstall iTunes this morning because of this.. Which means quicktime installs again and rapes my system.

If I have to keep doing this everyday im just going to stop using itunes and ill let apple know they lost a customer because of jon

i usually support him but not in this case

Re:Stop it! (1, Troll)

mp3phish (747341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018888)

Actually, its not jon's fault. It's yours and apple's. You can't say that him breaking iTunes is forcing you to install quicktime and thrash your system. No... that is your fault for buying an apple product which forces you to install quicktime. It just so happens that Jon wrote a patch that caused apple to write a patch and then caused you to download crappy software from apple...

It is your own fault for supporting a company who installs trash software onto your system when you don't want it. If you can't handle that iTunes installs stuff you don't like, then I ask you:


let me guess, you are a sucker for the hype that is the iPod. You must be popular with your other ipod buddies.

Re:Stop it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019023)

my ipod was free, id never buy an apple product

my free mini mac should ship soon too

rant (1, Insightful)

sg3000 (87992) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018852)

This guy is annoying. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Back when Apple introduced their iTunes Music Store, they offered something unique: one could buy a song for 99 cents no subscription, unlimited CD burns, and iTunes played MP3s. The other online choices were obtaining the music illegally or getting into some draconian subscription thing the big record companies were doing.

Apple didn't put hugely restrictive DRM on the files; you could burn the song to a disc as many times as you wanted or load it onto as many iPods as you wanted. You can move songs pretty easily between Macs without too much hassle. This was great compared to the other schemes the record companies had come up with -- like paying a fee every time you wanted to burn a song to a disc.

Now this guy is circumventing Apple's DRM scheme so that eventually Apple has no choice but to make it even tighter or shut the business down due to piracy. Plus, they're giving Microsoft a great "I told you so" -- remember back when Microsoft crippled Windows Media Player from even ripping 128 bit MP3s to push users into their proprietary media format? From the Wall Street Journal (April 2001):
Microsoft, for example, plans to severely limit the quality of music that can be recorded as an MP3 file using software built into the next version of its personal-computer operating system, Windows XP. But music recorded in the Redmond, Wash., software company's own format, called Windows Media Audio, will sound clearer and require far less storage space on a computer.

You want to prove your l33t skills or fight against The Man -- fine, go pick a more serious target (I'm sure the Electronic Frontier Foundation could think items that are more important than free music).

You want to know why companies come up with ridiculously restrictive copy protection schemes? You can thank guys like this. /rant

Re:rant (1)

rmccann (792082) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018891)

"(I'm sure the Electronic Frontier Foundation could think items that are more important than free music)." I think they would be interested. This is our cculture we're talking about. I suggest you read 'Free Culture' by Lawrence Lessig for more info on the subject.

Is so restrictive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018893)

What if you want to play it on your Linux box?

Shouldn't I be allowed to play something I paid for on my Linux box?

Re:rant (1)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018911)

Pure FUD. Don't blame him. Fsck all DRM. And I purchase from iTMS. I've bought over 400 songs on there. I shudder to think what I'll do if for some reason I turn my back on Apple down the road, or they switch to a monthly rental for the music I already purchased. They don't even give me the ability to convert my purchased music to another format without having to burn cd's to do it. Thats crazy. Give me an option to convert on my hard drive Apple.

Re:rant (2, Insightful)

mp3phish (747341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018915)

Why is this guy annoying? He has legimitately gotten around the copy protection. It is even legal in the US because it does not circumvent digital rights management. No, it gets to the root of the problem before it is even encrypted. Smart move...

It is nobody's fault but yourself for installing software which you find annoying on your system. If you don't like the fact that you must update iTunes so often, then maybe you should use a REAL mp3 player which doesn't require proprietary software to load up your music. Ever think of that? I guess the iPod is too popular for the mainstream croud. The fad is in full force. Why do I even bother.

Re:rant (5, Insightful)

Wordsmith (183749) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018929)

Well, there are those of us who think that no DRM is acceptable - and furthermore that no DRM is unbreakable, and therefore futile. DVD Jon's done a great job demonstrating the latter with iTMS, and previously DVDCSS.

This isn't about getting free music. It's about removing restrictions that traditionally haven't been in place on consumer media. DRM of any kind can become an obstruction even during benign activities traditionally protected under fair use. Sure, i COULD burn my DRMed AACs to a CD then re-rip to an MP3 to get my files onto my NOMAD or CD-MP3 player, but it's a pain in the rear and I'm going to lose my tag info. If there weren't restrictions on the files, that would be a non-issue.

Yes, Apple's DRM is less obtrusive than most, but it still locks you out from things you've traditionally been allowed to do. And that's simply not OK.

Re:rant (1)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018957)

"Apple didn't put hugely restrictive DRM on the files; "

You mean like being able to load them on a device other than an Ipod?

Re: Apple won't let you "buy" songs (2, Interesting)

VidEdit (703021) | more than 9 years ago | (#12019019)

"Back when Apple introduced their iTunes Music Store, they offered something unique: one could buy a song for 99 cents no subscription, unlimited CD burns."

Apple's Terms of Serivice say they don't even "sell" songs, instead you are offered the chance to pay for a license to use the song. --And as for that great deal for $.99, well Apple has used it's ironically named "FairPlay" Digital Rights Restriction system to continually erode the value of your purchase by taking away the rights they promised you when you bought it. They reduced the number of times you can burn a playlist from 10 to 7, they shrunk the network you can share music on, and now they have reduced the number of listeners from 5 simultaneous listeners to 5 daily listeners. Tomorrow, who knows, maybe you'll only be allowed to listen to a song a certain number of times per day. The DRR allows Apple to control your purchase, even after you have bought it. That is just plain wrong.

Back in 1984, Apple leveraged the imagery of "1984" in an ad featuring a Hammer thrower taking on Big Brother. Now Apple has lost that sense of perspective. They are part of the establishment now.

More power to you, Jon! (1, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018854)

More power to you, Jon!

Why do people relish in this?

Yes, yes, I'm sure it would be wonderful if Apple wanted or intended to sell music without DRM. But they, and the content owners - you know, those people who actually have LEGAL RIGHTS to the content - don't intend to do that. And it's their service and their content. Whether or not things "can" be technically done aside, does anyone realize that? Or is that just completely lost in the vacuum of "Information wants to be free"?

Re:More power to you, Jon! (4, Insightful)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018932)

And those of us who have *paid* also have the right to remove the DRM once it gets to us. Sounds fair to me.

If you don't want to then fine... wait until you upgrade your computer and find that DRM has locked you out because you 'copied' the files to the new one.

Re:More power to you, Jon! (2, Interesting)

mp3phish (747341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018939)

"you know, those people who actually have LEGAL RIGHTS to the content - don't intend to do that."

Maybe they should have encrypted the music before it got sent over the network... Or maybe they should figure out a way to save their business without lobbying congress to bail them out. Or MAYBE they should do something innovating to gain marketshare rather than lobby to change laws to put their competitors out of business? Guess they never thought of that. You probably didn't either. You were too busy listening ot U2 on your ever so popular iPod.

Get real.

Re:More power to you, Jon! (-1, Flamebait)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12019008)

God I love all of these irrelevant arguments.

- This has nothing to do with "Congress" saving a business model. The copyright owners own the content, period, and get to decide how it's used, by whom, and under what conditions, whether you like it or not.

- They don't have to encrypt the music. Apple is well within its rights to sell the music in the ways it sees fit on its own service. If you don't like it, don't patronize it. Additionally, this argument is worthless, because even if it was encrypted, you'd be on the side of arguing that it's ok to break the encryption.

- If you don't believe in copyright, licenses, or "trade secrets", then kiss work on open source or other original work by yourself, things the GNU General Public License, and your own privacy goodbye. Oh, I forgot, those things only apply to the things you want it to, not corporate interests.

Re:More power to you, Jon! (4, Insightful)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018980)

Their DRM infringe on my right to:
* Copy music to the playback device of my choice.
* Re-sell a product I have purchased (selling a book second hand is legal. Selling second-hand music is also legal. See Doctrine of First Purchase for more details).

Anyone that gives me back my legal rights, is someone who deserves encouraging.

Re:More power to you, Jon! (1)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12019026)

Their DRM infringe on my right to:

[irrelevant statements removed]

Then why, pray tell, would you ever patronize a store like that to begin with?

More power to you, Jon, and I stand by that! (5, Interesting)

ikewillis (586793) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018988)

Hi, I submitted this story.

The music industry is plagued by an enormous problem of legacy. Creativity has been stifled by the labels' continuing drive towards commercialization. We have "artists" like Gwen Stefani releasing cover after cover, first covering Talk Talk's It's My Life then covering If I Were A Rich Man from Fiddler on the Roof, and both covers are atrocious. These are examples of an industry which is creatively bankrupt and where profit is the bottom line. It seems like nowadays the only place you can find creativity is in underground music, before the industry has commercialized and destroyed it.

Music needs a new distribution model, one where the artist is in the driver's seat and has complete creative control over their work. The Internet has rendered traditional music labels obsolete, they're aware of this, and they're fighting their eventual downfall tooth and nail. They will lose.

DRM is based around cryptographically unsound principles. In order to play DRM encrypted music you need the encrypted content and the key on your local system. Given this you have everything you need to unlock the encrypted data, it's only through obfuscation in the client that the key is hidden.

Eventually the industry will have to come to terms with this fact and the fact that their distribution model is antequated and obsolete. We need people to continue proving DRM is an unsound technology so eventually they give up on it entirely.

Re:More power to you, Jon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019011)

Because we hope that the record companies will just fold up and die, and that music will revert to being something done for love and spread between friends.

Best Solution ... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018858)

Apple just drops DRM.

Then ... Apple would be cool.

Re:Best Solution ... (4, Insightful)

RonnyJ (651856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018896)

Then ... Apple would be cool.

Then ... Apple wouldn't be allowed to sell music anymore.

So sue me. (-1, Troll)

NoGuffCheck (746638) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018859)

let me see, hacked DRM, scandonavian (according to his name) I bet he's only 16... no i didnt RTFA... yet.

Re:So sue me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018902)

Yet another moron with a 700000 ID...can we please ban everyone with an ID from 700000-799999?

iTMS? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018861)

I dunno what that is. So i'll say yes.

Re:iTMS? (1)

killproc (518431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018950)

Too Funny!
If you don't get it, read the last interview answer here [] .

Re:iTMS? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018990)

I tunes music store

Doesn't work for me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018862)

I tried it out - it didn't work for me at all.

Thanks! (2, Insightful)

BinaryTao (808722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018871)

This is awesome, Jon is single handedly causing a pretty reasonable DRM scheme to rapidly degrade into something nearly unusable. Thanks man!

Re:Thanks! (2, Insightful)

rpozz (249652) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018960)

I totally agree. It's dickheads like him who are going to make the content industries look towards trusted computing. What's the fucking point of it if you can decrypt it later anyway? He's just trying to show off.

Re:Thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019020)

Wow, nice troll attempt Apple employee.

Interesting (3, Funny)

mt v2.7 (772403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018874)

1. Make software that breaks old version of iTunes
2. Make software that breaks new version of iTunes
3. Released version that breaks old iTunes
4. Wait for iTunes users to be forced to upgrade
5. Immmediatly release version that breaks new iTunes
6. Impress people
7. ????
8. Profit!

Jon is overrated... (0, Troll)

gagge (808932) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018878)

he wrote the GUI for the DVD decryption tool he's famous for, he didn't break CSS.

Re:Jon is overrated... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019007)


Why not Tivo? (1, Interesting)

masonbrown (208074) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018879)

Why not come up with some software that will let me yank files from my Tivo, dump them into Final Cut / iMovie, and burn my own DVDs after I've edited out the commercials? That would make me happy.

Re:Why not Tivo? (1)

catmistake (814204) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018948)

Or just as good, a crack for iDVD that allows burning DVDs in a 16:9 aspect ratio, so that it works like its supposed to... [] as this guy's workaround [] is reporting

More power to you... (1, Insightful)

spaeschke (774948) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018880)

Yeah, here's an asshole who's going out of his way to sabotage the only really successful legit music sharing service out there; one which really doesn't have too strenuous a DRM method, and the Slashdot refrain is what?

More power to you. That's just beautiful.

Re:More power to you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018966)

Is this software available to Windows/Mac users? If it's not are you saying that the minority of Linux users that use this (a minority of a small minority) will have any effect on Apple's bottom line?


Re:More power to you... (1, Insightful)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018969)

Because ANY DRM, no matter how easy it is to crack, is too much. By saying "Oh, some DRM is fine" is like saying "Oh, getting raped in the ass is alright some of the time"

Any DRM is too much DRM.

Re:More power to you... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12019021)

Well, to be fair, that's the poster's refrain. And possibly the editor, since they didn't bother to point out the problem with DVD Jon's dumbass actions.

Many other posters agree that this is only going to destroy the useful iTunes service, and give ammunition to all the major record labels to pull out of iTunes and instead insititute their own heavily encumbered and more costly systems.

What is it with people like him (even if he is just a frontman)? Why don't they take just a minute to think about the consequences of their grandstanding?

Some geeks are their own worst enemies. And ours, unfortunately.

This Is NOT to Be Applauded (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018884)

You know what you are getting when you buy songs from iTunes, DRM encryption that ties the song to you.

If you don't like their terms, simply don't shop there, and don't buy Apple's music.

Creating these hacks is really like taking the silverware and plates out of a restaurant when you know you are really paying just for the food.

It's so hypocritical how slashdot really realy really hates GPL violators, but cheers something like this.

This is why you guys are a complete joke and have no respectibility whatsover.

Hire they guy.... (3, Interesting)

thejuggler (610249) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018890)

Maybe Apple should pay Jon to build a better DRM. At least he'd be doing something legal for a change.

Re:Hire they guy.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018981)

You're assuming he has the talent to build a better DRM. Building DRM is tricky business. It's one thing to crack DRM - it's another to build it.

Blog Message (4, Informative)

Ken@WearableTech (107340) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018900)

His server seems to be /.ed The blog entry is: The iTunes Music Store recently stopped supporting iTunes versions below 4.7 in an attempt to shut out 3rd party clients. I have reverse engineered the iTMS 4.7 crypto which will once again enable 3rd party clients to communicate with the iTMS [] .

Then Apple will release another patch... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018906)

...then Johansen will release another workaround ad infinitum, ad nauseum...zzzzzz

Does this fool really have nothing better to do than waste his time like this? Could one of you fix Mr Johansen up with your cousin or something? He really needs to get out more.

Yes, more power to you! (2, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018910)

Let's do all we can to make legal online music downloading look like a shaky, invalid alternative to CD-buying, so we can ensure that record labels never change and embrace the new model. After all, we can't just NOT BUY THE SONGS if we don't like the DRM, right?

Every time this gets cracked, it hurts online legal music. The labels are already paranoid as it is, and this is exactly why. They know these kinds of people are out there waiting to crack it all. You're only hurting the iTunes music store and the business model as a whole.

Good for him... (5, Funny)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018913)

Good thing this was Apple.

Any other company would have just had him killed already.

An arms race (3, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018916)

This isn't going to be popular with the 'no DRM is good DRM' brigade. So Sue Me.

So Jon's done it again. Well, the man has testicles of steel because Apple are currently taking legal action against another single person. Making the blog title 'So Sue Me' is just asking for it, IMHO. Even if (and I say *if*) Apple haven't a leg to stand on, they can afford far fancier lawyers. Rather him than me.

What's the knock-on effect ? Apple have to have some DRM in place to keep their corporate music-land clients happy, or the contracts they've signed will be revoked, and they'll lose loadsamoney. This is just a guess, but I'm pretty sure the RIAA/whoever wouldn't have given Apple carte-blanche to sell their music without some degree of "protection" (whether required or not is a different argument).

So, Apple will have to respond. Off the top of my head, I think they'll be forced into making the iTMS contact Apple regularly for a right to play the library (similar to Kerberos). The right to play will be governed by whether the library is "legal" or not (ie: if any tracks have the same signature as on the iTunes website, but no DRM, prevent playback of either the entire library or just those songs.

Or they could do DRM management completely on the server, change the file format to heavily encrypt the system, change the OS, hell, change the machine hardware if necessary.

The point is that none of this is good for me, or in fact for Apple, but they'll be forced to go down this road because their clients will demand their "protection", and people like Jon will keep on breaking anything too lenient. So, in the end, Apple either lock the system down completely using hardware, or they drop the music business. Well done guys, now everyone's happy.


Just develop a Linux version (5, Insightful)

kcslash (796856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018917)

of iTunes and see if this is all he is after. That is what he says anyway.

Better story (5, Insightful)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018930)

Yahoo [] ran this story as well. I found their version of it a little more interesting:

"The goal with DRM systems, Gupta explained, is to make it more convenient for music downloaders to pay the fee than to spend time searching for the song for free."

I'm no fan of DRM, but it's about time SOMEBODY finally has the right goal in mind. Make legitimacy more convenient. I've been paying $10 a month for nearly 2 years now to Rhapsody. Since then, I've made 0 (zero, just in case any of you thought it was a typo.) MP3 downloads. Why? Their subscription service is significantly faster and easier. Okay, subscription's not for everybody, but the price is right and the service beats P2P.

Believe it or not, the *AA can compete with free. I'm looking forward to the day that this is more widely understood. I really want the instant gratification of buying content on-line.

If you DRM-it... (2, Funny)

LokieLizzy (858962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018936)

they will come (together to bypass it)!

(TechnoPolitical rhetoric for the modern age).

Maybe Apple doesn't really care if DRM is broken? (4, Insightful)

frdmfghtr (603968) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018938)

Just some food for thought...

If Apple really doesn't want to have to use DRM on it's iTunes downloads, and they write patches that are supposed to fix loopholes and these patches are easily defeated...

Is it conceivable that Apple doesn't care if the patches are easily circumvented? "Yeah, we'll fix something we don't really want, and if you happen to break it, you outfoxed us *wink wink nudge nudge*

Just a thought.

Why are we proud of this guy? (1, Insightful)

platypibri (762478) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018942)

I mean, if you want a DRM hero, isn't the EFF a better role model than this guy? Yeah, we might all hate DRM, but this guy really is breaking an agreement HE MADE to access the iTMS. I'm not really impressed with his sense of ethics. If I borrow your gun and promise not to shoot you, then I DO shoot you to protest gun laws, how is that even a little right? So, don't attack my analogy, tell me why it was OK for him to lie to Apple and say that he WOULD respect their DRM and then turn around and crack it. Simple... it's NOT right.

These guys do nothing for me (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018946)

It's too bad that these guys don't spend their efforts on something truly useful for the Linux community, such as building and/or improving:

1. Compatability with Garmin GPS hardware/software
2. Visio compatibility
3. Linux tax and finance software

Instead, they're just focusing on low-hanging fruit. And it's not great fruit - I'd rather just rip my CDs to MP3 instead of paying $1 for an un-DRM'd song.

The guys who work on the Kernel, Mozilla, OOo, PostgreSQL, etc, deserve a hell of a lot more press and credit than these guys.

Re:These guys do nothing for me (1)

LokieLizzy (858962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12019018)

Don't forget Firefox. I know it's part of the Mozilla package, but if not for everyone working together to spread the word about it, Internet Explorer would still own over 90% of the U.S. browser market.

DRM (1)

Xelrach (726281) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018947)

This just shows that no form of DRM, CSS, or any other content "protection" will _ever_ work in the long run.

Breaking the DRM? (4, Informative)

p0rnking (255997) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018959)

If I remember correctly, he never did break the DRM, instead he captured the audio file before it went through the iTunes software, which puts the DRM into the audio file ... therefore there is no DRM to break.
And no, I didn't RTFA

you insensit+ive cKlod! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018961)

to you by Penisbird PROBLEM STEMS channe7, you might

Oh Jeeze (1)

AC5398 (651967) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018962)

Talk about double-dog-daring Apple to haul your butt into civil court and ask for damages.

And just because the guy won one legal battle does not mean he'll win the next one.

um,. let's see... what'd I say earlier? (1)

jpellino (202698) | more than 9 years ago | (#12018964)


Jon breaks something for the sake of breaking it*. The other party patches it.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

(ok - but now he says he's doing it for the sake of linux users...)

*: if not true, then sell your services as a white hat consultant. You could make money.
Though arguably his targets are getting this service for free along with the gratis notification of his fans...

What is this "Apple is God" crap ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12018979)

No, Apple does not get a "get out of jail free card".

Cracking these restrictive DRM schemes is a good thing.

People should be allowed privately enjoy their purchases as they see fit.

Just because Apple makes iPod doensn't give them the right to stop people from using technology to move their files around on their own personal systems as they see fit.

How about... (2, Insightful)

MistabewM (17044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12019002)

Instead of suing this very smart individual... Pay him. He knows more about what you are doing then you do.

Conservatives should love file copying (1)

mc6809e (214243) | more than 9 years ago | (#12019009)

I don't see why those on the conservative right are so interested in defending copyright.

They are protecting the profits of people they hate, aren't they?

Why not let the honor system work? If the music/movies you make appeal to a crowd that wants to break the law and take the music/movie for free, then maybe you should just stop making that sort of music/movie in the first place. If the message you're selling includes glorifying theft or being a thug or whatever, don't be surprised if the people that like that sort of thing ignore copyright.

You can't preach one message then expect people to act differently.

So conservatives should give up on copyright and just let things play out.

The industry as it stands now deserves to sink into oblivion. Let it.

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