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Google Begins Removing AFP From Google News

samzenpus posted more than 9 years ago | from the news-du-jour dept.

Google 403

An anonymous reader writes "Google has began removing web-based content of Paris-Based news agency Agence France Presse (AFP), from the Google News service. This past weekend we reported that the Agence France Presse had sued Google for displaying their photo's, stories, and news headlines on Google News without permission. AFP is seeking damages of around $17.5 million and requested the courts that Google News is not to display any of its copyrighted material. It appears Google is complying with what the AFP is requesting. Google doesn't have a timetable for when all AFP links and content will be removed from Google News, but the company is actively working on the matter, said Steve Langdon, a Google spokesman."

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make your mind up (5, Funny)

drxray (839725) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031484)

AFP or APF or FP?

Re:make your mind up (2, Funny)

michaeltoe (651785) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031491)

PBJ!

Re:make your mind up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031525)

Dammit, they actually edited out the mistakes. The one time the editors do a good job I have humour capital riding on it.

Anyway, cross my heart, the original posting had the same spelling mistakes as the overclockersclub article. Go copy and paste journalism!

IMPORTANT QUESTION TIME IS HERE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031631)

Why is a site called overclocker's club covering a story about google vs. French news?

What's next, knitting.slashdot.org?

Re:make your mind up (2, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031708)

AFP or APF or FP?

At least it's not Alt.Fan.Pratchett [google.com]

Splitters!!! (2, Funny)

pavon (30274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031793)

That is all.

Good move (3, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031488)

Good move Google but what happens if every news organization sues or threatens to sue? Where shall we get our news from?

Re:Good move (5, Funny)

anonicon (215837) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031555)

You kids today, with your online THIS and convergence THAT, you don't know how good you've got it. Back in my day, we hiked six miles through the trees and snow and mud to our mailbox, and we were grateful! We also had to pay for the damn thing, $0.10 a day, whether we got it or not because our thieving neighbors stole it from off our fenceline, and most of the time there was a little news and whole lot of ads.

Ungrateful slackers, the lot of you.

Re:Good move (1)

mbrewthx (693182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031637)

Those were the days... When I was in 7th grade (1982) and living in {hiladelphia I jhad my own news service. On the way to cath the El (elevated train) to get to school I would buy a copy of USA Today out of the box and take 6 or 7 and sell them to teachers at school. But I got caught didn't really get in trouble but was talk to by a cop who knew my dad.

Re:Good move (5, Funny)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031673)

Judging by your spelling, you are definitely a product of the fine Philadelphia school system.

Pray tell, which school did you attend? Bok [k12.pa.us] ?

Re:Good move (2, Funny)

mbrewthx (693182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031718)

Thank You!!!
I resemble that remark..

Warren G Harding Jr High on Tarrsdale ave.

Re:Good move (5, Funny)

secolactico (519805) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031660)

we hiked six miles through the trees and snow and mud to our mailbox, and we were grateful!

You forgot: "uphill both ways"

Heh? Well back in my day... (2, Funny)

mas5353 (870037) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031683)

That's nothin'! At least you had paper! Back in my day, we had to carve into stone tablets if we wanted to write something down. We had to carve rocks just to carve into rocks! You kids and your email and your gmail and your paper mail... In my day, if we wanted to send someone a message we had to train Carrier Pterodactyls. You have no idea how rough it was... they had to pick up our messages and drop them at the right cave. Do you have any idea how many of us were killed just as a result of Pterodactyls just dropping news tablets???

Re:Good move (1)

EndingPop (827718) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031573)

Google's too big, they have serious weight to throw around. Those media companies not controlled by the French will be smart enough to see that Google *helps* them get revenue.

Re:Good move (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031588)

from the news organizations?

if riaa starts to sue where do we get our music?????

Re:Good move (5, Insightful)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031602)

Good move Google but what happens if every news organization sues or threatens to sue? Where shall we get our news from?
  • From the news organizations that realize being listed on Google News or other news aggregators (such as Topix.net) is beneficial to them because it directs users to their websites.
  • The ones who don't get this concept will just quietly go under or be bought up by other news organizations that "get it". This is exceptionally silly on AFP's part since once a user clicks on a link from Google News to go to AFP's site they can display banner ads to help pay their costs.

    Looks like this will be one of those cases where the company deserves exactly what it's asking for. I wonder how they'll try to spin their declining web readership?

Re:Good move (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031672)

Bathroom stalls. Everything I needed to know, I learned while taking a dump in public school...

Re:Good move (4, Insightful)

SeventyBang (858415) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031738)

Not every source will do so unless they want $$$ for people to read their online material. Some are doing that right now. see: Wall Street Journal. Sure, there's a free story here & there, but they want to restrict content to subscribers.

Papers which have less than the WSJ's stature pretty much know they are leaping from shrinking pond to shrinking pond. Paid readership is dropping....fast. And they don't have a solution. They know they have to have an online presence in order to compete against everyone else who knows they need to be online. And if they aren't online, most people aren't going to follow that newspaper.
The bottom line is those (readers) who are online will read online - in many cases moreso than hardcopy; especially if it's free. Those who aren't wired aren't in a number big enough to keep the paper in business across the long haul.

I have a silly question:
what are "photo's"? (see main /. story)

Re:Good move (2, Insightful)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031811)

Thinking it over, Google is quite definitely copying some of their content, so any organisation on google news can C&D google for this. Still, any news organisation that makes money from website hits would be stupid to do so, as Google is probably one of their biggest referrers.

Just to be safe (5, Interesting)

crow (16139) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031490)

Just to be safe, Google should remove all AFP sites not only from news, but from all portions of Google. Google certainly wouldn't want to risk further harm to AFP by keeping them in any of their indexes.

Re:Just to be safe (2, Insightful)

Stop Error (823742) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031516)

I was just going to say that. Why are they suing Google who is giveing them more exposure and potentially widening there audience?

Re:Just to be safe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031539)

Because they don't collect ad revenue for photos and stories shown on google.com instead of their own site.

But to actually read the whole story... (4, Interesting)

PaulBu (473180) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031605)

... one would have to click on it, and whatever ads they are paid for will show up. Quoting 4 lines of what they say within the context of a story should fall under "fair use", IMHO.

I think it is more of a move to discourage "checking news online" in general, not that potential reader is directed to their website through google...

Paul B.

Re:Just to be safe (3, Insightful)

nulbit (869982) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031601)

>> Why are they suing Google who is giveing them more exposure and potentially widening there audience?

$17.5 million seems like a good reason.

Because they're idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031617)

They don't "get" how the internet works.

Now, queue, customary /. kneejerk "But without rigid enforcement of copyrights without regard to merit, artists will all shrivel and die!!!!"

Re:Just to be safe (5, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031649)

why? because they're a news organization. they get money from selling the stories(and associated photos), not from giving them away for free so that another organization can get the ad revenue as well without paying them anything.

i'm pretty sure they would have happily sold the stuff to google under normal terms...

Dude (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031678)

Google is a search engine.

They're helping these idiots get customers. Free advertising.

If you're not on Google, you won't be found.

So now they won't be found. They'll fold, but be secure in the knowledge that Google didn't show a few pictures to guide potential customers to them.

No wonder the French wine industry is in the toilet... they can't even sell wine anymore.

Re:Dude (0, Flamebait)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031696)

* Google is a search engine.
They're helping these idiots get customers. Free advertising.
If you're not on Google, you won't be found.
So now they won't be found. They'll fold, but be secure in the knowledge that Google didn't show a few pictures to guide potential customers to them.
No wonder the French wine industry is in the toilet... they can't even sell wine anymore.*

dude idiot, you got any fucking idea what afp's main area of business is? they don't sell to customers that would find them through google. if you're so stupid you don't know what news agencies do for living go hide under a rock and ask afp to make you a celebrity.

When you're wrong, become insulting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031797)

I see you've mastered that little art.

AFP is now officially irrelevant. If you're not on Google, you simply don't exist.

P.S. No wonder finland caved so easily to the Nazi's. I assume you're the pride and joy of that country.

Re:Just to be safe (2, Insightful)

Frodo Crockett (861942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031782)

why? because they're a news organization. they get money from selling the stories(and associated photos), not from giving them away for free so that another organization can get the ad revenue as well without paying them anything. Excuse me? Google News is a free service, with no ads whatsoever. As others have pointed out, the only ones to lose revenue from this will be the AFP.

Re:Just to be safe (1)

Mitsoid (837831) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031590)

I agree... Anyone that picks on our (in a general sense) beloved search engine shouldn't be indexed...

Google makes our lives better... and does so legally (By US standards) and ethically... Darn French newspapers...

Google should apologise. (4, Funny)

Neoncow (802085) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031592)

Maybe something like,
We are very very sorry for linking to you from our side of the interweb. Rest assured, Google.com will never link to your site again.

Have a nice day.

Re:Google should apologise. (4, Interesting)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031643)

To be fair, agencies like AFP don't rely (or even need) on traffic to their own Web sites. They make all their money by selling their feeds and licencing their articles to other publications which then go out and make the money on advertising, etc. I doubt it'd hit the AFP much (or any agency) if their own sites were totally blacklisted by Google.

Re:Google should apologise. (1, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031750)

> I doubt it'd hit the AFP much (or any agency) if their own sites were
> totally blacklisted by Google.

Depends just how much Google wanted to make an object lesson of them. Remove ANY page anywhere with material from AFP. Basically, to Google AFP wouldn't exist anymore and for most intents and purposes if it ain't on Google it ain't on the Internet. How long would news organizations pay AFP for content nobody would ever see online?

And if France (and Germany, I haven't forgot them either when they harrassed Yahoo! and eBay) doesn't stop this practice of trying to make American companies subject to their wierd laws it is getting time to just pull the fibers connecting France to the rest of the world. They need the world a hell of a lot more than the world needs them.

MOD PARENT UP (0, Troll)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031794)

exactly! google can no longer safely index any page with AFP content.

removing all pages with any AFP content is the only way to be 100% safe.

Re:Google should apologise. (4, Insightful)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031792)

Well I can't help but wonder if the AFP's customers-- you know, the actual news sites google links-- are going to be particularly happy that that the AFP just got them blacklisted from google.

I mean, if I ran a news site of some sort, and I found that one of my content providers was engaging in direct and successful lobbying efforts to get me kicked off google news because I'd been buying content from them, I'd definitely start looking for an alternate provider for that content immediately.

Re:Just to be safe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031795)

Yeah, but wouldn't doing things like that hurt Google somewhat, since then anyone searching for the AFP website would have to use another search engine?

Please get it right..... (2, Funny)

wpiman (739077) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031492)

Congress passed a law... it is now referred to as the Agence FREEDOM Presse... Please update the submission.

Re:Please get it right..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031785)

In school, do they say you're "special"?

Featured on Google a bad thing? (3, Interesting)

bryan8m (863211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031506)

I would think that the news agency would want to be featured on Google to attract more visitors to its site! Apparently they are simply out for money when no damage has actually been done. Sure it's copyrighted material...

Sucks for AFP (2, Insightful)

PxM (855264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031514)

I think this is a case of a dinosaur making last ditch efforts to try to save themself from certain destruction. AFP wants to try to control the flow of news (from them to other newspapers) and defend the natural monopolies involved with physical media since it's hard for customers to compare items for free. Now that AFP isn't listed, customers will just see other sites and flock to them first. This is what happens when you apply the old methods of business to the new world.

--
Want a free iPod? [freeipods.com]
Or try a free Nintendo DS, GC, PS2, Xbox. [freegamingsystems.com] (you only need 4 referrals)
Wired article as proof [wired.com]

Re:Sucks for AFP (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031737)

Indeed... it wont hit them until it's too late [geocities.com]

{just a joke, mod fairly}

Re:Sucks for AFP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031775)

You're comparing Google to the Nazis?

Re:Sucks for AFP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031754)

What utter nonesense. AFP is defending their copyright, and will continue to exist for many years which ever way this spat turns out. AFP writes the news; they produce a large quantity of material (much of it high quality) on a daily basis and have a very large readership. They have every right to expect some sort of understanding with Google. It's not like they need google to exist - people still buy newspapers by the million.

Re:Sucks for AFP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031763)

Fuck your goddamn referral links.

Seems this hurts AFP more than it hurst google. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031517)

If they don't want people to have access to their content they sure are a wierd organization. It's not like Google was preventing people from clicking to their approved distributors.

Google's revenge... (4, Informative)

jromz03 (686423) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031520)

Will probably to sink AFP into the very very bottom of search results if not absent totally. AFP might have the right, but I'm sure they know the consequences of dealing with the #1 search engine.

Sort of sad, but had to be done (1)

jleq (766550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031526)

I'm not sure why this particular newspaper chose this action in the first place... it was only getting them more website hits, and more publicity. Google didn't have any legal defense in this issue, unfortunately. Seems as though the AFP is just cutting off their nose to spite their face; fun.

WTF? (0)

gimpynerd (864361) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031529)

What the flip?!?! It seems like it would be good publicity for their site. It's not like Google is claiming rights to the news or anything.

Re:WTF? (1)

Rylz (868268) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031571)

What the flip?!?! It seems like it would be good publicity for their site. It's not like Google is claiming rights to the news or anything.



It's not that the infringements of their copyrights are bad for them, it's that laws exist and they can be enforced. Read a bit of Lawrence Lessig and you'll see some examples of the same kind of thing.

Biting the Hand that Feeds them. (3, Insightful)

trevdak (797540) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031530)

This scene is somewhat reminiscent of the scene from the Incredibles where victims of crimes start suing the superheroes for helping them.

Google has become the doorway to the internet. Your site doesn't exist until Google indexes it. Anyone who sues them isn't trying to prevent copyright infringement or reproduction of their data, they are most likely looking for a reason to press charges and make a quick franc.

Re:Biting the Hand that Feeds them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031580)

That's a rather glib conclusion.

Re:Biting the Hand that Feeds them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031614)

Someone probably just watched the DVD is all.

Glib? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031654)

Yes, but accurate.

Either one of two things is true in this case...

1) They don't understand fully how the internet works

2) They're looking to make a quick Euro.

Neither is a very flattering conclusion for a news agency.

I suppose this lawsuit is France's Maginot line against the invading Internet.

Re:Glib? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031671)

Or they're just protecting their copyright.

Re:Glib? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031692)

No. It seems they'd rather die than be helped by Google.

Wish granted

Re:Glib? (1)

Broke Mirror (862603) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031721)

And so, you've stopped listening to logic and fact.

Re:Glib? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031805)

I've read everything.

I've notice AP, Reuters, and all the other news agencies that have a similar business don't seem to mind Google.

Only this bit-player.

I'll bet they'll sit around in six months in a big meeting and say "How can we attract more companies to use our site..."

It'll be like something out of Dilbert. But spoken in French.

Re:Biting the Hand that Feeds them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031597)

Who is Franc and what will they make with him?

Re:Biting the Hand that Feeds them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031659)

I dunno!

Re:Biting the Hand that Feeds them. (5, Informative)

goon america (536413) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031768)

AFP doesn't make money of its web site... they make money from selling news pictures (to other web sites).

A lot of people seem to think that google was taking pictures from the AFP web site, and AFP sued them for it. That's not what happened. AFP sells a picture to, say, the New York Times. The Times puts this picture on the NYT site with the caption, "Photo by whoever, copyright 2005 Agency France Presse." Google then then takes this picture from the NYT site and puts it on the Google News front page. It has nothing to do with Google indexing the AFP site.

Re:Biting the Hand that Feeds them. (4, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031770)

OK so this is the umpteenth comment modded up that says the same thing: that afp needs google more than google needs afp. newsflash: THAT'S NOT TRUE.

go to afp's homepage [afp.com] . you still think they rely on google for anything? that they want flocks of end-users(consumers) flocking to their site? no. that's not their business. check their 'products' and ask yourself is anyone coming through google likely to shell out money for something titled 'AFP's "ready-to-run" package in Flash format offers complete coverage of the the 2005 Formula 1 racing season'. they don't sell to users reading google news, they sell content for services like google news(and newspapers and whatever).

they're protecting their customers(and so their income source) with this move, if anything.

Re:Biting the Hand that Feeds them. (1)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031814)

the only way for google to be lawsuit-safe is to avoid indexing any AFP content.

that means any webpage which carries any AFP articles or photos needs to be removed from google's index.

since AFP doesn't rely on google for anything, there's no problem in doing so.

as for afp.com? a quick null route of 158.50.0.0/16 solves the problem for me.

Re:Biting the Hand that Feeds them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031812)

Your site doesn't exist until Google indexes it.

AFP makes money by selling a news feed to other companies, companies which produce physical newspapers (among other things), not with doubleclick.com revenue.

Serves Google Right! (2, Funny)

neoform (551705) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031549)

..for promoting their news site! Geez, who does google think they are?

Damages? (1)

weighn (578357) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031790)

an interpretation of the word that I am not familiar with...coming soon, Linus sues OSTG

Paris who? (0, Offtopic)

mas5353 (870037) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031552)

Ok don't laugh but when I read the first line of that post it said "Google has begun removing web-based content of Paris Hilton..." and I didn't even second guess the fact that Google could have such power.

With respect to the actual story... well... what can you say? You know how the French are...

Viva la RESISTANCE!

In the words of Robin Williams... (2, Funny)

XeroPurpose (868997) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031554)

"...I do it because I am French. I am a bad mother fucker, am I not?"

AFP will now disappear (1)

CatGrep (707480) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031578)

How else will anyone find them excpept through google.

Idiots. They're getting what they deserve.

Re:AFP will now disappear (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031615)

Sigh, the only idiot is you, AFP sell stuff, like pictures and small bits of news to other newspapers that then make a story of them, AFP probably couldn't care less about visits to their page, all they want is to sell their stuff, stuff that google is stealing from then and using on their google news site..

Re:AFP will now disappear (1)

Patrick Mannion (782290) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031623)

20 years later..... Hmm, here's a old story reported by the AFP? What's the AFP? I dunno. Maybe some French thing.

Re:AFP will now disappear (2, Informative)

VeryProfessional (805174) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031676)

How else will anyone find them excpept through google.

AFP are a newswire service. That means they make ther money by selling copy to other news organizations. Professional journalists hardly need to use Google news to be aware of the existence of (despite all the /. snideness) one of the worlds premier news agencies.

Whaaaaat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031705)

"Professional journalists"

Not in France. Surely you mean Germany or England?

Bureaucracy (1)

proteonic (688830) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031591)

It suffices to affornt French bureaucracy just once to realize that one shouldn't even bother to try to rationalize how they function.

Just goes to show. (5, Funny)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031598)

Whatver reputation the French may have in the US as "cheese-eating surrender monkeys," this incident proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that when carrying a firearm, the French will not hesitate to use deadly force against their own feet.

Re:Just goes to show. (0, Offtopic)

nulbit (869982) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031625)

Why does the the racist above have good karma, when I don't?

Re:Just goes to show. (2, Funny)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031664)

Because I'm funnier?

(And also: who are you suggesting I'm racist against? Normans? Caucasians generally?)

Re:Just goes to show. (0, Troll)

FuturePastNow (836765) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031681)

What's racist about insulting the French? They're not a race, they're a species of monkey. The cheese eatin' surrender kind.

Re:Just goes to show. (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031722)

Dunno about deadly, but a rifle stings like a BITCH when you drop it on your foot.

Strange american idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031764)

This "cheese eating surrender monkeys" joke sure took hold. I'm just curious, though... Have you ever heard of the hundred years war? How about Napoleon conquering most of Europe?

There's no historical basis for saying the French have an inherent tendency to surrender. There was the one big incident, but given the weaponry the Germans had and the fact that France was right there next to Germany, they didn't have much choice. England, America, and Russia all had the protection of distance.

I'm not French, but ignoring Napoleon... Jesus, that's stupid.

Did I miss something? (0)

3seas (184403) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031624)

is there anything on that ??? newsite that I can't find elsewhere else that would be of interest to me?

How about if I point to other italian news sites?

Doesn't Make Since (-1, Troll)

nberardi (199555) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031638)

This really doesn't surprise me that it is comming from France. But I really don't understand this move. You are pretty much limiting your content to people that know about your site. With google the world had a chance to view the news from this site. This really smells of bad marketing/PR. But then again it is their content and they can do with it what they want.

Re:Doesn't Make Since (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031663)

Sigh, LOOK at their site, they do not even have a freaking banner they are not interested in hits on their webpage, EVERYONE who is a potential customer for AFP knows about them, trust me, they are a huge news agency, not some stupid news webpage..

EXTRA! EXTRA! THIS JUST IN! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!!! (1)

Patrick Mannion (782290) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031640)

AFP is requiring us to remove this article, supposedly, they own the copyright to this article. In other things, imgaine if Google News and Slashdot merged....

how can they claim that amount of money? (1)

badmicrophone (858946) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031642)

it's outrageous!

They cannot honestly think that their site being on google is a bad thing in any way conceivable.

but then, this doesn't seem to be about honesty at all, now does it?

You're all ignoring one thing (4, Insightful)

VeryProfessional (805174) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031644)

AFP make their money by selling their stories to other media organizations. If they allow their news to be disseminated without the appropriate fee being paid (as Google News is doing), they will be cutting off their main source of revenue.

All AFP is doing is using legitimate means to protect a legitimate business model.

Re:You're all ignoring one thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031698)

Finally, a voice of reason in the sea of Slashdot.

Re:You're all ignoring one thing (1)

ThogScully (589935) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031703)

Google news just links to news sites, sometimes with a picture thumbnail from a related story to illustrate the story headline better. They aren't presenting that content in any useful way to anyone except telling people it is there for them to click and see.
-N

Re:You're all ignoring one thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031771)

As I understand it, AFP sells content to newspaper X, newspaper X now has an online edition, where it makes this content available, and Google News then tells the world "hey, such-and-such an item is available at the site of newspaper X". Seems to me Google is off the hook, although AFP might conceivably have a case against newspaper X, depending on what rights they bought from AFP (i.e. did they buy the right to do anything they want with the content, or just the dead-tree rights, etc). Certainly AFP could make it a condition of the deal that newspaper X is required to set up robots.txt to tell Google to screw off.

That'd be one SCO of a business plan though...

Re:You're all ignoring one thing (2, Insightful)

d34thm0nk3y (653414) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031724)

All AFP is doing is using legitimate means to protect a legitimate business model.

Legitimate means would be not posting these articles on publicly accessible systems if they don't want the public to access them.

No we're not (1)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031726)

AFP make their money by selling their stories to other media organizations. If they allow their news to be disseminated without the appropriate fee being paid (as Google News is doing), they will be cutting off their main source of revenue.

Google only provides links, not content. So Google is providing free advertising. And if AFP is giving away content for free on their own site, to anyone, it's really hard to see how they're being harmed.

They sell wire services. Google news is not a substitute. If it were, their own home page would kill their business, and presumably it isn't.

Re:No we're not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031780)

Google is, for the most part, providing free advertising for AFPs customers, not AFP itself. In addition to that it is using AFPs product, images and news to draw people to the google website, and they aren't paying for it.

In addition, AFP does not need advertising at this level. Their market is newspapers, who aren't looking for newswire services on google news.

What are the business rules in France? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12031645)

This seems the perfect opportunity for the owners of AFP to self-liquidate and get out of the media business, while blaming it all on Google. I mean, it works quite well for SCO - they get to take risks with play money, and still keep millions in wages and stock sales. Are the rules in France any less forgiving than in the U.S. for business owners who act like this?

Really - once you have the equivalent of a couple million US dollars, it all just seems like a meager game for power. You will live comfortably in a large residence for the rest of your life, unless you squander money blindly at that point. The quality of the marble floors does not change the quality of your life, only the respect of some other wealthy people. Games like SCO and this are to be expected.

It's AFP, not APF (4, Informative)

kriston (7886) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031665)

Am I missing some obvious reason that you're using AFP and APF acronyms interchangeably? The wire service's name is AFP.

Google should remove all links to them (2, Insightful)

MarkWatson (189759) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031667)

Teach those assholes a lesson. Really, Google linking to them looked to me like FAIR USE that could only improve traffic to the French news site - and the news site's profits!

I can not imagine how the Google News links could do anything but help make more profit for news sites that Google links to.

Google News could link to my sites anyday - I will not complain :-)

Re:Google should remove all links to them (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031778)

It is not "Fair use" when google reads the news from AFP and then broadcasts it to thousands of people worldwide without giving AFP a share in their scoop.

News is news, you can get yours by visiting their website. Google couple sign a contract and start paying for redistribution rights, it would miraculously return then.

However, the first time google gives in and pays one news corp, it will have to pay them all.

Google have very wisely chosen not to pay :)

F1cking AFP (1)

MHobbit (830388) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031719)

They know that they could make a lot of money off of this lawsuit against Google- a big, expanding company making millions.

Other news sites removed by Google (5, Interesting)

Percent Man (756972) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031733)

Google also, and much more quietly, is removing [internetnews.com] the National Vanguard, known as a racist neo-Fascist organization, from its list of news sources. This raises the question, how the heck did a site like National Vanguard (no, I won't link to it) wind up on Google's list of news sources in the first place?

And the battle between the good of free speech and the good of shutting up morons continues...

The lawsuit (1, Funny)

Stalyn (662) | more than 9 years ago | (#12031742)

was I the only one who thought APF calling Google's mother a hamster a little out-of-line?
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