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A little comparison: (3, Insightful)

Upaut (670171) | about 9 years ago | (#12055216)

Looks like the biggest selling point in the screenshots for longhorn is its new fast "searching" [winsupersite.com] "feature" [winsupersite.com] that looks remarkably like apple's new "Spotlight" [apple.com]...

(Sarcasm)But hey, if you cant beat them... cheat them.(/sarcasm)

Re:A little comparison: (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055265)

Paul Thurrott made it clear a few months ago that Spotlight and many other of Apple's features in Panther and Tiger are Longhorn features copied by Apple and put into their OS after Microsoft.

Yes. I think he said it with a straight face.

Re:A little comparison: (1)

DavidLeblond (267211) | about 9 years ago | (#12055288)

Right, because of course Microsoft invented searching for meta-data.

Re:A little comparison: (5, Funny)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | about 9 years ago | (#12055377)

Didn't you know, Microsoft invented INVENTING?

Innovation. Microsoft Patented.

Everything else is derivative.

A 90% comparison: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055405)

"Right, because of course Microsoft invented searching for meta-data."

Of course they didn't, but how many "innovators" have brought it to 90% of the market?

Re:A little comparison: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055286)

Where can I apply if I want to join you in astroturfing for Appel? Do they shell out good money?

Or are they, for all what is known about Appel, only interested in fucking fags like you?

Re:A little comparison: (1)

Manip (656104) | about 9 years ago | (#12055293)

You make a very good point... Apple ripped off Longhorn! Those bastards... That's the only way to explain the similarities between the two...

(It isn't like Microsoft has ever done anything under-hand and we all know what those evil people -- with the pirate flag -- at apple are like... ;-) )

Re:A little comparison: (3, Informative)

Vicsun (812730) | about 9 years ago | (#12055299)

There are already quite a few fast-searching tools available, such as <a href="http://www.think-less-do-more.com/avafind/"> Avafind</a>, <a href="http://www.copernic.com/">Copernic</a>, and <a href="http://desktop.google.com/">google desktop search</a>. I've found the functionality they offer to be extremely useful, but how can they be a selling point to an OS when they're already out on the market?

Re:A little comparison: (5, Funny)

Vicsun (812730) | about 9 years ago | (#12055323)

Oh, excellent, I posted plain text.

Raw and uncut.
Consider this to be hardcore old-skewl style: before they had them fancy html interpreters they just looked at the text and IMAGINED its formatting.

Re:A little comparison: (1, Funny)

boarder8925 (714555) | about 9 years ago | (#12055306)

But, but, but, it's Microsoft! They innovate! They bring innovative new features to their amazingly secure and awesome Windows operating system! Don't trash the company that "brought American into the PC age"!
[/sarcasm]

Re:A little comparison: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055337)

Well I don't remember Apple or Unix doing much for bringing the PC to the masses. At least give some credit where it is due.

Re:A little comparison: (1)

Upaut (670171) | about 9 years ago | (#12055345)

Don't trash the company that "brought American into the PC age"

I never knew Microsoft made the Apple II...

/ducks (2, Funny)

boarder8925 (714555) | about 9 years ago | (#12055346)

Apparently, Microsoft also changed it from "America" to "American." Now the citizens of American are called Americanians. =P

Re:A little comparison: (4, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 9 years ago | (#12055379)

No surprise coming from Thurrott.

Check out this excerpt from a recent review of the MSN Toolbar Suite [winsupersite.com]:

At the Professional Developers Conference 2003 in Los Angeles last year (see my exhaustive coverage of that show), Microsoft chairman Bill Gates touted the searching innovations that would go into Longhorn, the next generation Windows version that's now due in mid-2006. In a way, by detailing the new desktop search features Microsoft was working on so early, Gates had thrown down the gauntlet. In today's PC world, desktop search is a miserable, slow affair, and as Microsoft executives are fond of pointing out, it shouldn't take longer to find a file you know is on your hard drive than it takes to perform a Web search.

However, Gates was also giving his competitors a leg up on Microsoft. And since announcing its Longhorn desktop search intentions, Microsoft's worst fears were realized. Other companies began copying the Microsoft desktop search strategy, knowing that the never-ending Longhorn delays would help them get to market sooner and appear to be nimbler and even more innovative, though it's sort of astonishing how transparent that latter claim is. Chief among these competitors are Apple and Google.

Apple CEO Steve Jobs announced in June 2004 that the next version of Mac OS X, due sometime in 2005, will include a desktop search feature called Spotlight. The Spotlight feature set is a rough subset of the desktop search features Gates discussed in late 2003, but presented to the user with Apple's standard graphical excellence. Spotlight, according to Apple, is a "radically new and lightning fast way to find anything saved on your personal computer. Email messages, contacts and calendars, along with files and folders, all show up in Spotlight results." Spotlight's biggest claims to fame, presumably, are its near-instant search results and support for document meta data, both of which are, again, planned features of Longhorn. But no matter. While Apple has been busy copping Windows features since Jobs returned to Apple in late 1996 [!!!!!], the company's tiny market share ensures that very few people will benefit from Spotlight, despite Apple claims that it will deliver on desktop search a year before Microsoft ships Longhorn.


The gall astounds me. But hey, he actually believes it.

MIRROR OF LONGHORN SCREENSHOTS W 20721 DESCRIPTION (0, Troll)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | about 9 years ago | (#12055218)

The Longhorn Explorer features a left-most pane of Lists and AutoLists, a breadcrumb navigation bar, instant filtering with an integrated Search box, and quick file preview at the bottom of the 20721 window.

http://img210.exs.cx/img210/7948/lhexplorerdemo010 iu.jpg [img210.exs.cx]

Fast Search results let you sort by custom 20721 metadata ("Reference" in this example).

http://img210.exs.cx/img210/1651/lhfastsearchdemo0 14io.jpg [img210.exs.cx]

Stacks let you dynamically group documents and files so you can view 20721 in multiple ways.

http://img210.exs.cx/img210/4291/lhstacksdemo014zs .jpg [img210.exs.cx]

SAVE TERRY!

Re:MIRROR OF LONGHORN SCREENSHOTS W 20721 DESCRIPT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055249)

That integrated search box in Explorer will probably by powered by new MSN web/desktop search, thus when released it will make Google as obsolete as Netscape was made by IE.

Terri (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055316)

SAVE TERRY!

Terry who? Oh, you mean Terri. At least try to get the name right, you right wing moron.

What the fuck is wrong with you assholes? You rabid pro-lifers just can't let a woman die in peace as she herself requested. No, you have to turn it into a friggin media circus and a platform for your political and religious zealotry.

Re:MIRROR OF LONGHORN SCREENSHOTS W 20721 DESCRIPT (1)

curious.corn (167387) | about 9 years ago | (#12055352)

Oopsie, stacks are a Patented UI concept (guess what? Apple...) Wonder if Microsoft licenced it or just ripped it off on the basis of "it's cheaper to litigate until exhaustion"... BTW, UI patents what a stupid thing... in any case we know Microsoft's algorithms will suck so bad that nobody will ever dream this search tool will be useful in any way ;-)

Riiiiight... (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 9 years ago | (#12055221)

"Then, Microsoft will utilize a disclosure approach it calls "rolling thunder,""

Right, because with a name like "rolling thunder" [wikipedia.org], it has to be good!

Riiiiight...The agony of defeat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055272)

"Right, because with a name like "rolling thunder", it has to be good!"

Well the name "rolling loss" was already taken.

Even if they don't write the best software (0, Flamebait)

iminplaya (723125) | about 9 years ago | (#12055227)

They sure do make it look nice. Such polish and finish. That will always give it the edge.

Re:Even if they don't write the best software (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055397)

looks distinctly American to me :)

Re:Even if they don't write the best software (1)

Sandb (691178) | about 9 years ago | (#12055443)

You really think so? I don't like it... Looks like the interface of one of those third party printer drivers where they coded their "own, better looking" interfaces... Pure waist of screen space...

Send To (1)

dolo666 (195584) | about 9 years ago | (#12055233)

I took a peek at the screenshot of Aero. The UI looks clean and shiny, but I'm noticing a lot of little widgets have been taken out of the right-click menu and stuck above -- such as Share and Send To. I wonder how much of this is a GFX upgrade and how much is a code upgrade, because I'm not seeing anything really new -- just a polished-looking old idea.

Re:Send To (5, Insightful)

Quarters (18322) | about 9 years ago | (#12055417)

"...just a polished-looking old idea."

Just like Linux with Gnome, KDE (etc...) and OSX are just polished versions of an OS that was designed 30+ years ago.

That's all well and good.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055242)

but does it run linux?

President Bush has been assasinated !! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055243)


yeah you wish

GNAA

useless info in status bar (5, Interesting)

selderrr (523988) | about 9 years ago | (#12055250)

at the bottom is a bigger-than-ever status bar with info about the selected item. It seems like very little info is in tat area that is not already displayed in the list itself.

This makes me think about the utterly stupid winXP feature that displays the number of files in a selected zipfile... is that usefull for anybody ? Why do you zip files in 99% of the cases ? TO REDUCE SIZE. so what do you want to know about the selected zip ? Right : it's size. For all other items, the filesize is shown, except for zips.... DUH !!!!

The person who suggested that feature should be shot with a ripe banana until dead ensures... twice !

Re:useless info in status bar (1)

selderrr (523988) | about 9 years ago | (#12055276)

And while I'm bashing WinXP, what is it with the 'documents' fixation at MS ??? There shuold NOT be a 'my documents' ! There should be a 'my applications' and a 'my system+prefs'. ALL THE REST IS YOUR DATA !!! Yet another thing where OSX got it right and where this screenshot seems to prove that Longhorn is just going further down the idiotic part of system-enforced instead of user-enforced data management.

It almost makes you wish they lose their monopoly....

uh... did I say that ?

Re:useless info in status bar (1)

badriram (699489) | about 9 years ago | (#12055300)

Well look at the end of the after type, date etc. it is there.

It is also in the details view on the left tab. Or you could look at size in the tile view.

Re:useless info in status bar (4, Informative)

bonch (38532) | about 9 years ago | (#12055342)

Weird, I submitted this story last week and it was rejected.

Anyway, anyone notice a few things?

1.) The dialog that appears asking for an admin password to install software. Directly ripped from OS X.

2.) The titlebars and status bars have gotten bigger for seemingly no good reason. However, the minimize/maximize buttons have been horizontally stretched. This should help alleviate the infamouse "accidentally-close" clicking everybody does now and again. They're still touching each other, though. Weirdly, OS X's are also sitting beside each other but I never accidentally hit the close box. There is space between them.

3.) More shiny blue. Since this isn't the final Aero 3D-accelerated interface, expect more of this but using DirectX.

4.) Drop-shadow from windows in focus. Again, directly ripped from Apple.

Longhorn is shaping up how I sort of guessed. More and more, the Explorer windows are being made to look like web pages, with lists and shortcuts running everywhere.

Since Longhorn will be out in 2006, there's a potential release for another OS X that same year. I predict Steve Jobs will have his designers reimplement Aqua using Quartz/CoreImage. I don't see Apple making everything 3D, but I do see them fully converting everything to vector-based widgets and OpenGL shader effects (that's what CoreImage is based on). Apple has already stated that they have seen no developer interest in integrating full polygonal 3D into the desktop like that, and that developers usually just create a custom OpenGL view.

Note: I compare to OS X because I'm a recent convert and don't plan to ever go back to Windows again. OS X feels five years ahead of everybody. Since every bit of new Longhorn technology is being backported to Windows XP, the only selling point Longhorn will have is its interface, which is something Microsoft has never been known for excelling at. It should be interesting watching Microsoft attempt to pull off aesthetics. Last time they tried that, we got Luna. Blech.

Minor correction (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055359)

I predict Steve Jobs will have his designers reimplement Aqua using Quartz/CoreImage.

I meant to say Quartz vector objects/CoreImage. Obviously, Aqua is already using Quartz.

Is it just me... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055252)

Or does the Aero theme not look that revolutionary? It kinda reminds me of Bluecurve actually...

Re:Is it just me... (1)

bonch (38532) | about 9 years ago | (#12055457)

This isn't the final Aero interface (the one that will be full 3D accelerated DirectX). Microsoft will be revealing that at their next developer conference.

Eye candy (1)

uttaddmb (856927) | about 9 years ago | (#12055257)

I'm a diehard Apple fan, but I have to admit that the screenshot does look pretty nice.

Something old, something new, something Apple too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055308)

"I'm a diehard Apple fan, but I have to admit that the screenshot does look pretty nice."

Yes, Apple does good work.

Re:Eye candy (1)

rokzy (687636) | about 9 years ago | (#12055310)

look again - as someone pointed out above the info in the taskbar is 100% redundant.

the thing about Apple it that it looks good AND works well.

Bad HIG? (2, Interesting)

Henk Poley (308046) | about 9 years ago | (#12055258)

These Aero buttons look so small, they seem difficult to hit to me.

Re:Bad HIG? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055358)

If people can hit those tiny little circles on OSX I am sure we shouldn't have any problems with Longhorn. ;)

Looks good (1)

iMaple (769378) | about 9 years ago | (#12055262)

The screen shots look good. And given the time spent in development, I hope it will be stable and secure .... Oh and of course we all know thanx to an earlier article on /. that Winodws is more secure than linux.

Re:Looks good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055339)

You need to practice your trolling, that one was too obvious.

Might want to consider reading a book, too, if you're capable of it.

its all blurred and ugly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055273)


i guess they didnt get the memo about customers hate the blue UI scheme

and looking at the screen shot, why is the text all blurred and smudgy ? or is that anti aliasing a bit too strong

I'm not impressed - I favor "clean" GUI's (5, Insightful)

filterchild (834960) | about 9 years ago | (#12055277)

Is anyone else just not impressed here? I'm not a big fan of the uber-eye-candy shiny GUI's, and I know for a fact that a lot of seasoned Windows users aren't either. I favor the cleaner toolkits like GTK and the Blender toolkit, which manages to find a good balance of eye candy. No highlights, no annoying gradients to make us think that the buttons are made from glass-tic, just a relatively clean GUI.
I'd like to see how a GUI like this "Aero" will go over with the Windows users who instinctively switch every XP box they touch to "classic" mode.

Re:I'm not impressed - I favor "clean" GUI's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055303)

And what percentage of Windows users could even tell you what a clean GUI looks like?

all of these screenshots do not impress me (3, Interesting)

Bruha (412869) | about 9 years ago | (#12055281)

I'm sorry but why are people and business who have for the last 10 years been using Explorer to manage files on pc's and networks suddenly going to embrace a completely different method that is unfamiliar and will reduce productivity at all levels until the user becomes savvy enough to use it.

No screenshot of this "New OS" has yet to impress me. Maybe it gets it's hype because "New OS" = boost in hardware sales. But you know what. When the majority of your hardware sales are sub 500 pc's you're not going to make up any profits on the early adopters who buy the bigger and faster machines.

What have we gotten with every new version of Windows.

Software quits working

Have to buy new versions of antivirus and other utilities in many cases to get full functionality and also see above.

Waiting on hardware to get "New Seals of MS Approval" which IMO is silly because that WHQL crap never stopped Nvidia drivers from causing the nv4_disp.dll BDS's.

Oh and this "New OS" that was supposed to run on pc's that were wildly faster (10Ghz) machines. Where are those new machines??

Longhorn is a shell of the promises that were made, it most likely incorporates code from XP/NT4 base so will incorporate security holes and bugs and probably new avenues of attack. It's just plain ugly, and probably will be slow at best on existing equipment.

If you're looking for a new OS you may be better off with OS X on a PPC, or Linux on x86.

Re:all of these screenshots do not impress me (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 9 years ago | (#12055331)

"I'm sorry but why are people and business who have for the last 10 years been using Explorer to manage files on pc's and networks suddenly going to embrace a completely different method that is unfamiliar and will reduce productivity at all levels until the user becomes savvy enough to use it."

We all managed to let go of progman and fileman, didn't we? Heck, fileman isn't even included in XP any more, as far as I can tell.

Re:all of these screenshots do not impress me (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 9 years ago | (#12055426)

file manager is now called the explorer view (as opposed to the folder view.) Progman seems to be gone, though.

Re:all of these screenshots do not impress me (2, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | about 9 years ago | (#12055440)

I'm sorry but why are people and business who have for the last 10 years been using Explorer to manage files on pc's and networks suddenly going to embrace a completely different method that is unfamiliar and will reduce productivity at all levels until the user becomes savvy enough to use it.

For the same reason they did 10 years ago? ;-)

Coincidentally, in 2005 it's 10 years since Microsoft started their Windows 95 era, and a introduced a very different way of working with Windows, compared to Windows 3.1. And it was embraced, oh yes!

No screenshot of this "New OS" has yet to impress me.

All screenshots seen so far are either not screenshots, but Longhorn concept graphics, or alpha screenshots that doesn't represent the final product. I thought that went without saying on a forum like Slashdot. I'd say the same if Apple had released screenshots of an alpha for an upcoming OS.

If you're looking for a new OS you may be better off with OS X on a PPC, or Linux on x86.

Yeah yeah, and that comment of yours was redundant. ;-)

Re:all of these screenshots do not impress me (1)

-kertrats- (718219) | about 9 years ago | (#12055476)

Someone recommending OSX or Linux over Windows on Slashdot? INCONCEIVABLE!

Hardware Recommendations (2)

md10md (828419) | about 9 years ago | (#12055283)

Sounds like this is going to be a resource hog (moreso than XP), I wonder what the minimum allowed specs are. I see that recommended on the page is:

Desktop CPU: 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor with HyperThreading Technology 530 (or higher) or 3 GHz Intel Xeon processor with 2 MB L2 cache, or AMD Athlon 64, Sempron, or Opteron 100, 200, or 800 processor, single or dual-core versions.
Mobile CPU: 1.86 GHz Intel Pentium M processor 750 (or higher), or AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology, Mobile Sempron, or Mobile Athlon 64 processor.
RAM: 512 MB of RAM or more, all platforms.

Re:Hardware Recommendations (1)

Corwin01 (811775) | about 9 years ago | (#12055411)

Has anyone else noticed the lack of Athlon XP support? Sure, by the time this finals hits the market I'll be in the market for an upgrade anyways, but c'mon now. Is it just me, or is it a bit disconcerting when an OS has much higher system requirements than some of the latest games out now? Example: This is the preferred system reqs for HL2. 2.4 GHz Processor 512MB RAM DirectX 9 capable graphics card 256mb Its just something else thats gonna bump costs on hardware because now to get a good gaming experience, we're going to need 2 gigs of RAM minimum. =/

Stacks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055290)

Didn't Apple patent "stacks" [winsupersite.com]?

Re:Stacks (1)

DavidLeblond (267211) | about 9 years ago | (#12055334)

No, they patented piles. Get it right.

And Microsoft has prior art too. They've been producing piles for a long time now.

You mean to say... (1)

lxt (724570) | about 9 years ago | (#12055363)

Microsoft are producing piles of shit that take so long to get out they cause the producer of said shit to suffer from piles?

More Apple copying (3, Interesting)

iJed (594606) | about 9 years ago | (#12055292)

It appears that Longhorn will also include piles (or stacks to MS) which were a long rumored [macrumors.com] feature in Mac OS.

How Many Times (2, Insightful)

LighthouseJ (453757) | about 9 years ago | (#12055378)

How many times do we have to hear from Mac fanbois about MS copying Apple?

Apple copied from Xerox, but you don't mention that. Let's all move on, it's not the 80's anymore, MS writes their own code and Apple builds onto BSD. It's been old for years now and it's getting really annoying to hear the same repetitive crap day-in, day-out.

Re:How Many Times (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055433)

It really goes to show the ineffectiveness of software patents. Apple's patent from 1994 describes almost exactly what Microsoft is doing, yet Microsoft still persists. Microsoft is not worried about anything, as companies have shown in the past the inept ability to enforce specific software patents.

Avalon and Indigo Preview (5, Informative)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | about 9 years ago | (#12055294)

Microsoft released community previews [microsoft.com] of Avalon and Indigo a couple days ago. For the most part, Avalon has been working for me. I havn't used Indigo yet.

As far as I can tell Avalon isn't hardware accelerated yet but it is still pretty low in CPU usage. The fairly simple calculator sample included uses 25 megs of RAM though!

Fun stuff to play with, even if it's not production ready.

Re:Avalon and Indigo Preview (4, Interesting)

DaHat (247651) | about 9 years ago | (#12055351)

Remember that Avalon heavily relies on the .NET framework and like most .NET apps, they do use a lot of memory at first, but will give it back when needed.

Try running 50 copies of your calculator app and just watch as each one drops to hardly anything.

Re:Avalon and Indigo Preview (1)

oliverthered (187439) | about 9 years ago | (#12055364)

I downloaded Avalon just the other day, I haven't installed it yet but as soon as I do I'm going to try and get it working under WINE.

"Big beta"..... (0, Troll)

RootsLINUX (854452) | about 9 years ago | (#12055305)

Why not just call it a gamma release? Or do they not know that the greek alphabet has more than two letters? Hell, they might as well make a release of Longhorn for all 24 greek letters, seeing as it doesn't seem like they plan on finishing the O/S anytime soon.

Who cares what windows news it is on slashdot.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055313)

LET THE FLAMES BEGIN

Windows goes open source? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055326)

Why doesn't Microsoft just open the entire source code of all its products and charge money for service and support?

Microsoft has, what... billions and billions of dollars? Can't they afford to do this? Are they afraid of what might be found in their code?

Claims from the article... (2, Insightful)

lxt (724570) | about 9 years ago | (#12055327)

From the article:

"In Longhorn, applications will launch and load files 15 percent faster than with Windows XP."

How was the figure arrived at exactly? All applications and all files will load 15 percent faster?

"Additionally, Longhorn will feature a new instant-on capability that will see Longhorn-savvy systems resume from Standby in 2 seconds or less."

Doesn't "Longhorn-savvy" kind of imply specific hardware is required? Or is that just me? And to be honest, I wouldn't really sell this as a feature other OSs have had for years...OS X certainly starts up from standby on my iBook in under 2 seconds...

"Longhorn will more reliably resume from crashes,"

Surely time would have been better spent by programmers and engineers actually stopping the OS from crashing so much? I'm an OS X user, and I'll be the first to admit that when it does crash, it tends to crash badly, but at least (in my experience) the crashes are fairly rare (say, once a month) instead of upwards of one a day...

"One thing users should be aware of is that Longhorn will include a new kernel and will thus not offer the same level of compatibility with legacy 16-bit and 32-bit code that Windows XP does today. For business users, Microsoft believes that Virtual PC 2007 will help broaden corporations' compatibility options."

This seems like a bad idea - I'm guessing home users will also want to run legacy applications (that favourite game of your son's that you bought five years ago, that piece of productivity software you really like but can't afford an upgrade)...wouldn't it be better to do what Apple did during the switch between OS 9 & OS X, and bundle an emulator in with the OS? Rather than forcing home users to buy their own copy of Virtual PC 2007?

Re:Claims from the article... (1)

DaHat (247651) | about 9 years ago | (#12055381)

Surely time would have been better spent by programmers and engineers actually stopping the OS from crashing so much?

That's just insane? Why would they ever do that? After all, customers like crashes!

They have been working to improve stability since they began, not on longhorn but on OSs, although it didn't really become a major focus until Windows 95... the same operating system you seem to be making your comments from.

Personally speaking, I keep my 2k and XP machines running for about a month straight, only rebooting when I need to change custom drivers or hardware. Yes, the system does crash from time to time, but it is quite rare, as it is for most 2k and XP machines

Re:Claims from the article... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 9 years ago | (#12055437)

*How was the figure arrived at exactly? All applications and all files will load 15 percent faster?*

the same way that they dubbed XP as optimized for gaming, therefore games run much faster under it(not).

all the windowses so far have been 'faster' than earlier versions, at least in market speak. to be frank, they might be into something there... maybe they cache 15% of things into memory beforehand or use some other way that theoretically gives a speed boost BUT on all current systems ends up being slower.

Re:Claims from the article... (3, Insightful)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | about 9 years ago | (#12055448)

"One thing users should be aware of is that Longhorn will include a new kernel and will thus not offer the same level of compatibility with legacy 16-bit and 32-bit code that Windows XP does today. For business users, Microsoft believes that Virtual PC 2007 will help broaden corporations' compatibility options."

I don't believe this. This is market speech. This is totally impossible. If this is the case, we will see the end of the Microsoft monopoly with the release of Longhorn.

Why run Longhorn and upgrade all your apps (except for the one for which the vendors have died out, but 50% of your department insists on continuing to use because it 'just works'), or run them in a Virtual Machine, when you can get Linux, for free, run Wine, which will offer better compatability, or run either a) Qemu, b) VMware, or c) Remote Desktop into a Windows XP server box for legacy apps.

I refuse to believe this thing about compatability, because the entire Microsoft monopoly is built on compatability. Microsoft would never drop such a golden ticket into the hands of Windows opponents.

If this is true, it makes the barriers to either Mac OS X or Linux transitions non-existent. Windows would have to compete on merits alone (security, usability, extensibility).

Bwahahaha. I'll go back to the real world now. This'll never happen.

Re:Claims from the article... (1)

As Seen On TV (857673) | about 9 years ago | (#12055472)

If your Mac is crashing monthly, you have a hardware problem. It's almost certainly bad RAM. Bad RAM leads to kernel panics. You should get that fixed.

Re:Claims from the article... (1)

Anonymous Luddite (808273) | about 9 years ago | (#12055477)

>> "In Longhorn, applications will launch and load files 15 percent faster than with Windows XP."

That's just excellent. Exactly what I'll need to run Duke-nukem Forever. Maybe they'll both release at the same time.

Goats (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055344)

That looks like the windows I have now, but with pretty colors. I want nonblocking drive i/o and a new explorer if anything. I'm not buying windows or updates again though, it's not worth paying for an OS if I can get a better one for free. Bye bye MS!

Nice fonts! (4, Interesting)

Peter Cooper (660482) | about 9 years ago | (#12055353)

This proves that the Longhorn fonts news from Poynter [poynter.org] was right, at least. The type in the screenshots looks particularly good, especially compared to XP. Perhaps XP will catch up (or exceed?) OS X in terms of font rendering? Corbel (I think that's the main sans-serif in these screenshots, look at the 'g's) and Calibri are gorgeous screen fonts. A significant improvement over the current XP Tahoma and Verdana fest.

Ugly as sin? (1)

Sentry21 (8183) | about 9 years ago | (#12055367)

Is it just me, or is this new theme MS seems to be demonstrating quite possibly the worst idea in the history of light waves?

Aside from being dark, the title bar buttons are very small, and are flush with the top of the window - meaning lots of missing them and clicking on the window behind it.

It also seems to add a lot of dimensionality that isn't really needed, and just serves to 'busy-up' the interface. Give me a clean, bright, colourful interface over a dark, plum-colored travesty like this any day.

Longhorn: the moment of Truth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055369)

Is this the big moment I've been waiting for, to make the big switch to windows (from linux)? Everyone else one /. seems to have taken the big Plunge. Is it my turn? Is this it? What are the pitfalls? Risks? Tradeoffs? Any advice, comments welcome. Thnx.

P.S. I've willing to make some sacrifices to make this switch, but not too many. It's not like I'm driven by ideology (or technology, for that matter). I just want to get with the program.

Frightening (3, Funny)

Darth Maul (19860) | about 9 years ago | (#12055370)

There is nothing scarier than a Microsoft fan site. I almost lost my lunch going to that site. What kind of person is actually *excited* about Windows? I have seen the face of the enemy.

That screenshot looks horrable. (0, Troll)

zulux (112259) | about 9 years ago | (#12055376)


Sure it may test will with the little old ladies in the focus group.

Th color scheme looks good - for a online gay porn shop

Fleeing the country... (4, Funny)

lxt (724570) | about 9 years ago | (#12055380)

Looking at the screenshot, does anyone else think someone at Microsoft might be trying to flee the country once Longhorn has been released? Because there seem to be an awful lot of "Booking cruises at the last minute", "BusRoutes" etc. documents in that folder...

Bryan has too much time on his hands (5, Funny)

Pedrito (94783) | about 9 years ago | (#12055384)

My only comment on that screenshot is that Bryan has too much time on his hands if he can write a 65k Word document on "Bathroom Ideas". But I do look forward to his upcoming bestseller, "Pantry Ideas"

Blue, Green, and Purple? (3, Interesting)

Jozer99 (693146) | about 9 years ago | (#12055418)

Has anyone noticed that the pricipal colors are blue, green, and purple? As a graphic artist, I can say that these don't really go together very well. So far, the themes included in all the betas have been absolutely hideous, but have slowly been getting better. I'm hoping that Microsoft hires some compitent graphic artists to completely rework the GUI theme before release. Its sad that an OS with so many usuability enhancements as compaired to XP has to be so ugly.

WinSupersite (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055424)

I don't understand how a website is enthusiastically reporting about the evil apparatus that will be used next to milk cow users.

Yawn (5, Funny)

JerkyBoy (455854) | about 9 years ago | (#12055439)

Wow, really exciting stuff there. I guess the really interesting stuff is under the hood, i.e., DRM, Trusted Computing, prorietary XML documents...

I call fake on the screenshots! (5, Interesting)

Peter Cooper (660482) | about 9 years ago | (#12055445)

Check out this one [winsupersite.com] of an example search results page. Look at the file sizes. They're just duped between sections.. so are the dates! I'm sure you don't have 5 e-mails and 5 totally random files all with corresponding dates and sizes. Seriously, check it out.

Even if the interface work here isn't fake, there has been some copying/pasting going on OR Longhorn doesn't have file size and date functionality yet ;-)

I haven't been this excited (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055451)

about a Microsoft code name since Cairo.

it had to be said (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055459)

>>The first beta of Longhorn is May 2005...The "big beta" is scheduled for this Fall.">>

And the "final beta" will be on store shelves in a year or two!

Waiting (1)

et3rnul (700521) | about 9 years ago | (#12055464)

I don't really care if micro$oft ripped off features from Apple or anyone else. It doesn't affect me directly. It just shows that they liked how the other did it and they want to implement it in their software. Big deal. As long as I get a product that I like, that's good enough for me. Yes, the screenshot looks like an iTunes rip. But I use iTunes on a windows on a machine and welcome apple's innovations.

OSTG needs a new site: ' C: ' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12055473)

Pronounced 'See Colon'.
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