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French Response to Google is Microsoft

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the le-goog dept.

Microsoft 530

efp writes "Mark Liberman posted over in the Language Log that, in considering alternatives to Google's library initiative in Europe, French President Jacques Chirac would consider a partnership with Microsoft 'since he has so many views in common with its president, Bill Gates'. This comes out of talks between the French president, the head of the French National Library and the Minister of Culture, in in part 'building an alter ego to the American project, before thinking of an eventual collaboration with Google, so as not to negotiate from a position of weakness' as they plan to digitize their cultural resources."

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FROSTY PISS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056560)



Pour me up a tall one, tubbies!

Pssst Jacques (3, Funny)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056561)

Just see the sig.

Re:Pssst Jacques (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056643)

OMG That is so funny!!! OMG OMG ROFL WTF OMFG ROFLMAO You are so right and what an original opinion OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGOMGROFLMAO!!! What will they think of next up at the junior fucking high school?!?!?!

Re:Pssst Jacques (2, Funny)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056664)

Wow, you're just so...wow, your wisdom has taken my breath away. I was going to comment, but with a sig like that, just wow.

Re:Pssst Jacques (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056699)

I'm sure your signature puts René Descartes to shame.

Tard.

Re:Pssst Jacques (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056746)

I'm confused as to how the very first post got modded redundant? Just to clarify... redundant does me repetative or already stated right?

France surrendering? (3, Funny)

BaronSprite (651436) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056562)

Karma be damned. France surrendering to what appears to be a superior power? Where have I seen this before...

Re:France surrendering? (2, Funny)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056584)

If their battle flag wasn't a white sheet, they might not surrender as often.

Re:France surrendering? (1)

killawatt5k (846409) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056608)

Where have I seen this before... hmmm. Mabee here http://fark.com/ [fark.com]

Re:France surrendering? (2, Funny)

Hachey (809077) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056612)

i think probably here:

Google search for "French military victories" [albinoblacksheep.com]


...which was actually originally a fairly clever prank to trick google... [google-watch.org]


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The only wiki source for politically incorrect non-information about things like Kitten Huffing [uncyclopedia.org] and Pong! the Movie [uncyclopedia.org] !

Re:France surrendering? (-1, Flamebait)

BorgCopyeditor (590345) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056644)

Yeah, because no other country has ever surrendered to any other in the whole history of war.

Farking idiots. Or should I say, espèce de petit con! ("sort of small vagina!")

Re:France surrendering? (0, Troll)

PainBot (844233) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056653)

"Fuck you" is the only thing I can think of for you.

Re:France surrendering? (1)

arahman (871053) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056740)

relax man, I know the "joke" was lame, but your just egging him on.

And here I was wondering.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056665)

did we FINALLY have a justified reason to hate the French?

Sure looks likes it to me!

Re:France surrendering? (1)

thedustbustr (848311) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056780)

Since when are corperations countries? Oh, wait, I forgot, its a "partnership," not an "alliance." This is such bullshit (the thought, not the parent :P)

Yup, lots of similarities (5, Funny)

Godman (767682) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056567)

They are both filthy stinkin rich, hate google, and dream of a new world order?

Re:Yup, lots of similarities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056666)

That they have views in common should let the French President know to stay the hell away...

Re:Yup, lots of similarities (3, Interesting)

Guylhem (161858) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056747)

Oh my god. At this very moment I'm so ashamed of being french. Could someone please pass the cluestick to Chirac?

It's not because he don't like what's being done by google/gutemberg/whatever that he should pledge alliance to the evil empire. What's the point of going with Microsoft?

Forget negociations! This is *wrong*, period. Nothing can justify it.

What's next? An alliance with McDonalds if Jojo [allinfo.net] decides to open restaurants in France ?

Re:Yup, lots of similarities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056766)

They are both filthy stinkin rich, hate google, and dream of a new world order?

Now, gosh darnit, leave George Bush outta' this!

The Emperor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056568)

Has found his new dark lord of the Sith...

Soo.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056569)

France is evil. Just as we suspected...

wow (2, Funny)

mbrewthx (693182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056574)

J'utilize Linux

Re:wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056596)

j'utilise

good effort tho (i guess)

Re:wow (1)

mbrewthx (693182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056659)

Well my wife did it for me and it's been 15 years since she lived in France or taught French.

Good for the french, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056575)

we never liked them anyway :) Vive la difference!

Oh well (4, Funny)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056576)

If it's anything like my Outlook PST file, it will be able to hold about 1000 documents, then not work as well.

Sounds fun!

Re:Oh well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056668)

Its french culture, they won't be reaching anywhere near 1000 documents.

It's a joke. Laugh.

Re:Oh well (0, Offtopic)

Hankle (101846) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056765)

Are you using Outlook 2003? Microsoft did a lot of performance work on the PST in that version, resulting in a much more robust data store that has fewer performance issues and can handle a much larger amount of data.
-Hank

So does Google then become... (4, Funny)

tquinlan (868483) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056578)

...a "freedom engine"? ;)

What I see (3, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056579)

I see some kind of retaliation or what I'd call divide & rule, by the French government. "If you do not cooperate, (read `pay for content') I will go to your rival(s)." M$ used this against IBM on a limited level in the 80s and they succeeded to some extent.

Re:What I see (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056648)

This is EXACTLY what they're doing with the EU. Dividing up Europe, and conquering it. It won't work, obviously, because they're french, but that's what they're trying to do.

Views in common? (0, Redundant)

thomasdelbert (44463) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056580)

Microsoft would never surrendur!

-Thomas;

Re:Views in common? (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056707)

So; Chirac, Bill and Linus walk into a bistro:

Linus says to Chirac, "C'est magnifique! Mais c'est ne pas la Google."

KFG

This thread is a placeholder (5, Funny)

alphakappa (687189) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056581)

for all the French+Bill Gates jokes

Re:This thread is a placeholder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056633)

No, it's not.

Re:This thread is a placeholder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056656)

This is a placeholder redundant mod

Re:This thread is a placeholder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056698)

No, this is.

Re:This thread is a placeholder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056709)

No it isn't, you didn't placehold anything.

Re:This thread is a placeholder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056754)

Hahahaha, good one.

bargaining chip (2, Insightful)

kaleco (801384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056590)

'so as not to negotiate from a position of weakness'

It seems to me that it is unlikely that the French government will align themselves with such a symbol of US cultural imperialism. Therefore, I suspect that the implied use of MS as a bargaining chip with google is correct.

Re:bargaining chip (1)

focitrixilous P (690813) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056738)

'so as not to negotiate from a position of weakness'

Hey, there's a first time for everything.

politics and business (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056762)

Reminds me of another domestic bargaining chip.

Manager: "Well, our techies say we could move some of our stuff over to linux."

MS: "How about some fat discounts?"

You're right, this is negotiation and its part of businesss as well as politics.

The article is essentially some non-denials from Chirac's advisors. Not exactly a done deal.

French (1)

wot.narg (829093) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056592)

You know how the French never give in... ;p /waves karma goodbye.

Alright, this is getting downright bizarre (3, Funny)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056593)

I have nothing against the French but what's next? France decides SCO's case has merit, claims jurisdiction? I'm just confused. It just seems odd that the country that takes issue with Google's helpful, automated services because they occasionally violate copyright is considering working with Microsoft, the king of anti-trust! No wonder the French people are so jaded.

good riddance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056598)

ye shall reap what ye sow.

If the French want to digitally preserve their cultural treasures with MS, more power to 'em.

The rest of the world knows how to make wine, and that's about all we need of it.

"not to negotiate from a position of weakness" (3, Insightful)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056599)

When negotiating with Microsoft, is there anyone who can NOT negotiate from a position of weakness?

Re:"not to negotiate from a position of weakness" (3, Funny)

ettlz (639203) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056678)

The electricity company.

Proprietary Formats (4, Insightful)

doktor-hladnjak (650513) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056602)

Perhaps the saddest part about France going to Microsoft for this project is that whatever data is produced is more likely to be locked into some proprietary format. That could be particularly unfortunate, since these cultural resources really belong to all the people of France and should therefore be made as accessible as possible.

Re:Proprietary Formats (3, Funny)

ArsSineArtificio (150115) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056640)

Perhaps the saddest part about France going to Microsoft for this project is that whatever data is produced is more likely to be locked into some proprietary format.

That's a needlessly harsh way to refer to the French language. The proper term is "an obsolete format".

Re:Proprietary Formats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056694)

Just as American-English will be replaced by the glorious Spanish...
Ah, the cheap geek labour getting their own back...

Nice, Zonk! (1)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056607)

from the le-goog dept.

best. department. evar.

The irony (2, Insightful)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056609)

is that the french are very nationalist and I would of thought they would of done something with a European or at least a French software outfit. I thought they were scared of globalisation and were worried about their identity being lost on the world stage. So to cure this fear they choose MS.

Re:The irony (1)

stygianguest (828258) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056671)

Part of the problem may be that the project in question is huge. It is not a problem an avarage software company can solve. The expertise required may not even be available in france. But I don't know anything about french software companies. I just know, I don't know any, which may be because they do not exist.

Rooting for the Underdog (4, Funny)

osewa77 (603622) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056610)

It is a well known fact that European governments prefer to support the under-dog: "Go Bill, go Bill, go!"

Re:Rooting for the Underdog (1)

PornMaster (749461) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056631)

Usually they supply the underdog with Mirage fighter jets.

Re:Rooting for the Underdog (1)

01000011011101000111 (868998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056716)

It's ok, everyone - we don't have to worry about M$ launching mirage wings against *nix servers... They'll get halfway down the runway then the plane'll turn blue (not to mention stopping) and they'll have to restart...

Just another reason... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056616)

...to, ummm... "strongly dislike" the French.

Not that another reason was needed.

now there's one more reason to hate france (-1, Troll)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056622)

if it wasn't their support of terrorists, their ingratiating manner about our saving their asses twice, and the fact that they are as useless as tits on a nun, now i have another reason.

Re:now there's one more reason to hate france (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056660)

What the hell are you trying to say? Tits on a Nun are great for rubbing your dick on! Jesus...

Re:now there's one more reason to hate france (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056673)

support of terrorists

uh, huh? disagree with bomb-mad bush and you're a terrorist?

Support of terrorism?
How about the US funding the IRA to the tune of $100 million dollars a year - all used to plant car-bombs in shopping centers or to run "taxi-driver murder" campaigns.

You know fuck-all.

Re:now there's one more reason to hate france (1)

PainBot (844233) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056711)

It's funny how a post like this, which is full of crap gets a socre of 2, and the two intelligent replies I read got a whopping 0.

Way to go, Slashdoters, you're looking like a bunch of racist rednecks.

Re:now there's one more reason to hate france (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056774)

It started at 2. The other post presumably started at 0. Starting score depends on karma of user, with anonymous cowards posts having a starting score of 0.

Re:now there's one more reason to hate france (1)

ZeroPost (792045) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056781)

Which two intelligent replies would those be? :-P

P.S. Don't feed the trolls.

Re:now there's one more reason to hate france (2, Insightful)

neil.pearce (53830) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056752)

Hmm. I read your gibberish post, and then examined the opening statement of your last post...

I am a high school history teacher...

I'd be fuckin' scared/annoyed/upset if you taught my children.

You're so stupid, it's almost funny

Re:now there's one more reason to hate france (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056761)

Well, who could blame a terrorist freeing us of people like you?

Great.... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056625)

Now the French can leverage the power of DRM to keep their military failures in the last century a secret!

Time to rename something. (1)

kryogen1x (838672) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056627)

We can't let France do that can we? No more Windows XP, from now on it will be known as FREEDOM XP.

World Domination (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056637)

The plan is coming together, just a tad slower then they had hoped.

Well,,, (5, Funny)

mbrewthx (693182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056641)

Moi, j'aime bien nos maitres francais des biblioteque borg.

Re:Well,,, (1)

Godman (767682) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056736)

I, never learned our french mothers of Library Borg?

Do you Americans know... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056645)

...that your France bashing really disgusts everyone else? It's because of things like this that you get attacked by "terrorists".

Re:Do you Americans know... (1)

Godman (767682) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056714)

No, the terrorists probably just get a bigger rush from destroying a powerful country.

Think about it. It happens everywhere. Nobody wants to see the little guy lose. In american courts, everybody is happy when a big corp. loses a case, since everyone thinks that the "big corporations" are doing evil by impressing their will on the general populace.

The same thing happens with America. The terrorists see some kind of injustice in the fact that we live (for the most part) richly, and they have to scrounge out a living. They are just jealous of the power and affluence we have. That's why France isn't getting bombed....

Re:Do you Americans know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056750)

They are just jealous of the power and affluence we have

As well as irresponsibility and mismangement and habit of poking nose everywhere.

Re:Do you Americans know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056757)

Ah, so this is what Americans think. That you are being attacked by evil persons because you are living a good life and they are jealous. Now even I want to bomb you.

Re:Do you Americans know... (0, Offtopic)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056726)

We get attacked by terrorists because we support Israel and interfere with the Middle East. I don't think Osama gives a rat's ass that we bash Frenchies.

Re:Do you Americans know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056776)

I didn't say "because of this". I said "because of things like this".

Re:Do you Americans know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056758)

Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong again. The pleasure of France-bashing is not restricted to Americans. Everyone enjoys bashing the French, except, well... the French.

Re:Do you Americans know... (5, Insightful)

flabbergast (620919) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056773)

Come on! We're Americans! Do you think we *care* what everyone else thinks?

All joking aside, regardless of my feelings towards the French, which are pretty close to neutral, this does seem contrary to their nationlistic zeal to keep France French. I (like other posters) assumed that the government would come up with its own solution. It seems absurd that France would team up with that oh so American company Microsoft to thwart that other oh so American company Google.

P.S. The US was attacked by terrorists because of numerous things, but name calling is not one of them.
P.P.S. The rest of the world bashes the US. Don't you think we get tired of that?

Re:Do you Americans know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056782)

i believe its more the senseless flaming/trolling of anyone not-american that disgusts, or to phrase it better - decimates the reputation of america with others.

Dont forget that your very own statue of liberty was MADE in france and given to america as a gift - a fact quickly glossed over by some.

Things like the "freedom fries" incident only serves to make america the laughing stock of the world for idiocy.

However, saying its because of this is the reason they get attacked by terrorists is quite a leap, a conclusion you fail to back up with fact and which has no substance or merit to its name.

The goal of terrorists is to cause fear in their target. Who the target is doesnt matter as much as the power they gain - through fear - over them.

If you had bothered to actually do any research you would have found proper reasons why america is on the whole despised in the middle east.

Remember this - Every reaction has a cause - a reason why the reaction has occurred. they dont just spontaneously happen for no reason. Once you understand the reasons why you can prevent the reaction from happening in the first place and this has only one outcome - everyone benefits from peace.

French? (3, Insightful)

untouchable (615727) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056652)

What's [slashdot.org] wrong [slashdot.org] with [slashdot.org] the [slashdot.org] french? [slashdot.org]

French good deeds this year: 2
French bad deeds this year: 5
Le sigh . . . .

Re:French? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056700)

I'll fuck you with a chainsaw, bitch.

Resistance is Futile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056654)

I for one welcome our new amphibious Borg overlords.

Excellent news for FOSS... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056667)

1. Conservative Republicans hate France and everything to do with it.

2. Conservative Republicans are a powerful political force to be reckoned with.

3. This will lead Conservative Republicans to dislike Bill Gates (and therefore Microsoft) by association with hated France.

4. Conservative Republicans will embrace Free Software as the enemy of Microsoft and by proxy France.

5. We will soon see Bill OReilly promoting Linux over Windows, at which point the battle is won.

p.s.
6. Don't tell them about Mandrake or Stallman.

all hail the french google poodle (link) (1)

googisgod (855166) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056669)

http://www.fuckedgoogle.com/ [fuckedgoogle.com]

second story

Doesn't make sense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056677)

Why partner with an American company? The technology to search a vast archive is not
diffult to engineer. Certainly the French
government should spend the money at home.

This proves how shrewd the French are... (1)

crsgrg (189291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056683)


Given their insignificance since surrendering, this is obviously a ploy to maximize awareness of France on 2 of the busiest sites on the internet - /. and Fark.

To quote Westwing (2, Funny)

SweenyTod (47651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056685)

Wow, it seems you don't need to fire a shot now to get the French to surrender to somebody hell bent on taking over the world!

Great French Decisions Throughout History (2, Funny)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056687)

1760s: The indians can be relied upon to help drive the british from america
1803: Let's sell the Louisiana Territories
1934: Let's overlook Germany's military buildup

Euro Disney (1)

Stalyn (662) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056777)

Come'on, my children they need wine!

Another surrender (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056689)

What wonderful news, yet another French leader willing to sell his own nation and people out to a powerful enemy. This is one that steels and patents other peoples ideas, tries to deny others access to their own data, and chooses to ignore the judgement or respect the rule of law as it sees fit. Come to think of it, that does sound so French, doesn't it?

While you are at it, could I buy the Efal Tower and Notre Dame, Mr. Chirac? Shame on you. And a shame on your nation.

doesn't seem like a great idea.. (1)

Pinefresh (866806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056690)

Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own

Oooh La La (3, Funny)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056712)

So Microsoft has just bought France to go along with their acquisition of evil? [bbspot.com]
Sounds like a matched set to me.

this is probably cliched but I don't care (-1, Flamebait)

focitrixilous P (690813) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056713)

Hey France.

Do you want some cheese with that whine?

Get it? Cause the French have wine, cheese, and a massively inflated ego, dreaming of the days that they actually mattered in the world.

Hello -1 troll. Nice to see you again.

omgggzzz (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12056722)

soooo many accent marks in that article

To Quote Robin Williams... Again... (1)

XeroPurpose (868997) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056723)

I do it because I am French... I am a bad mother fucker, no?

This is French shrewdness (1)

crsgrg (189291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056729)


Given their their insignificance since surrenduring surrendered, this is obviously a ploy to maximize awareness of France through 2 of the busiest sites on the internet - /. and Fark.

(The last time they tried something like this, it was the Jerry Lewis gambit).

Something that would make more sense .. (2, Insightful)

RedLaggedTeut (216304) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056734)

Something that would make sense would be cooperating with a big canadian software company, since Canadians speak french too.

The rest has been said by others, I've nothing to add.

Proof positive (0, Flamebait)

DesertFalcon (670699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056735)

If anyone needed proof that France is evil, here it is.

As the perl masters would say... (1)

ghostunit (868434) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056749)

The french decide Google's perceived hegemony in electronic document archiving is a problem.

"What company could stand against Google? I know, I will for Microsoft's help!!"

The french now have 2 problems.

Wha?? (1)

Ghostgate (800445) | more than 9 years ago | (#12056756)

French President Jacques Chirac would consider a partnership with Microsoft 'since he has so many views in common with its president, Bill Gates'.

Chirac siding with an American president. Now I've seen it all!
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