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Return of the Mac

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the it-went-away? dept.

Programming 1499

Ben Gutierrez writes "Paul Graham has posted a new essay on the Return of the Mac which begins with: 'All the best hackers I know are gradually switching to Macs.' Tim O'Reilly said some similar things in Watching Alpha Geeks . From the article: "My friend Robert said his whole research group at MIT recently bought themselves Powerbooks. These guys are not the graphic designers and grandmas who were buying Macs at Apple's low point in the mid 1990s. They're about as hardcore OS hackers as you can get."

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I would buy a Mac... (-1, Troll)

Abreu (173023) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078721)

If I could afford one...

Re:I would buy a Mac... (3, Informative)

mattkinabrewmindspri (538862) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078744)

You can. [google.com]

Re:I would buy a Mac... (5, Funny)

beatdown (788583) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078925)

He said one, not half of one.

Re:I would buy a Mac... (5, Informative)

cmorgan47 (720310) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078752)

get a g3 ibook. runs all but the greediest of os x apps just fine and i picked one up from a guy at work fro $100....they go for about 3-400 on ebay.

Re:I would buy a Mac... (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078913)

Thank you for the only sensible response I have received so far...

Re:I would buy a Mac... (5, Informative)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078807)

My kid brother can aforde a mac mini on lunch money...

Please this argument is old and false.

Oblig... (1, Funny)

KyleJacobson (788441) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078819)

I welcome our Mac overlords...

Re:I would buy a Mac... (1)

jericho4.0 (565125) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078826)

How is this flamebait? Idiots. I also would buy a Mac, if I could afford one. Also a solid gold house.

Re:I would buy a Mac... (1)

phyruxus (72649) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078877)

I can't help you with the solid gold house, but I do have some liver and onions if you like. ...heeey... Aren't you the guy I gave a plate of blintzes to to paint my fence?

Re:I would buy a Mac... (1, Troll)

Abreu (173023) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078830)

Before everyone starts to flame me, let me be more specific.

If there was a sub-500usd new mac (that is including monitor, mouse and keyboard), probably I could fork over the cash for one...

But lets be honest, if I can get an AMD system with a 15inch LCD screen, Sempron 2200 proc, and half a gig of ram for about 450usd, how am I gonna convince my wife that I should buy a 600usd mac mini, plus 250usd for the monitor, plus the keyboard and the silly one button mouse?

Any ideas?

Re:I would buy a Mac... (-1, Redundant)

Abreu (173023) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078880)

Too late, i am already flamed and modded down...

My fault for getting a first post, i guess...

Re:I would buy a Mac... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078922)

I would say if you have to make a choice between wife and cool mac os x - you are in wrong boat already.

Re:I would buy a Mac... (5, Insightful)

JackAtCepstral (870238) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078949)

Here's the obligatory rebuttal. You're forgetting the software. You can put Linux on it for free, but you're not getting nearly the user experience you get with a Mac. Or you can pay for Windows and the software that runs on it. That will bring up the cost of that $450US system. Still, not the same user experience. With a Mac, it's the compete system your paying for, not just the hardware.

Re:I would buy a Mac... (-1, Troll)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078838)

Get a fucking job.

Re:I would buy a Mac... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078881)

Quit being a fucking elitist.

Re:I would buy a Mac... (-1, Offtopic)

Abreu (173023) | more than 9 years ago | (#12079002)

I have a fucking job, you moron.

Not on every country you can afford to buy computers every month...

Re:I would buy a Mac... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078865)

Get a job.

Re:I would buy a Mac... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078939)

I can afford 20 Macs, but I still won't buy one.

Re:I would buy a Mac... (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078959)

If I could afford one...

Oh come on now, they're only about 1.5 times the price of a generic PC based laptop. The quality of the system and OS is well worth the premium price you pay. If you want to gripe about something then gripe about the fact that the hardware seems to be hard as hell to upgrade. I was looking into what it would entail to replace my iBook's 30GB hard drive with a new 80GB drive and it seems like you have to practically take the entire thing apart including dozens of screws (phillips and hex). It's pretty daunting to say the least. The process to replace the hard drive on my Dell Inspiron however is to remove a single phillips screw, slide out the drive tray, replace the drive, slide the tray back in, screw the screw back in and voila. I really really wish Apple would include this nice feature in their next revision of the powerbooks. The other thing they really need to consider adding is modular bays. I should be able to slide out my DVD drive for a second battery for example like I can with my Dell. These are my two biggest gripes with Apple. Sure, I can add an external firewall drive, but that kind of negates the point of a laptop. ;-)

Re:I would buy a Mac... (1)

nocomment (239368) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078990)

I just recently switched. I traded a couple of old thinkpads straight across at a local computer surplus store (ironically enough, called "computer surplus"). This is truely the best "expreience" I've had with an OS. I've used Linux for about 10 years almost exclusively, and now here I am. An apple guy. From what I understand Taco uses an Apple now, as does Linux himself (although he runs linux on it, expect more stable releases for PPC from now on).

OS-X based on BSD (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078724)

I always throught basing OS-X on BSD was a good move. Sounds more attractive to me than the old MacOS, especially from someone with a long background in c.

That said... BSD is dy^H^Hthriving.

Then why....? (0)

OECD (639690) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078932)

'All the best hackers I know are gradually switching to Macs.'

Then why isn't Openstep more popular? Is it that if you have a Mac you don't need it? Or is it because most of the 'switchers' are recent converts, and Openstep will pick up in popularity for their non-Apple systems later?

unix laptop = key (5, Insightful)

jabella (91754) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078725)

Since around 1993 I've been messing with Unix. SCO, Slackware (1.0-ish), RedHat (pre 4.0...on Sparc!), Caldera, Irix, SunOS, etc.... both in userland, on the desktop, on my own servers, and a professional sysadmin.

I've got a mac now. The first of my life, from someone who wasn't ever a mac guy (and was probably more 'anti-mac' than most.) My g/f has one too -- more than once I was like 'just open a terminal and do....'

The fact that she doesn't need to know what the terminal.app is? That's the best part..... I get what I need, she gets what she needs.

Re:unix laptop = key (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078869)

she gets what she needs.

From me, while you're at work...

Re:unix laptop = key (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078982)

So what. The same can be said about any unix. find the webbrowser, email app, or whatever. It's as easy as a click on any modern unix.

Captain Obvious Strikes Again (4, Funny)

stlhawkeye (868951) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078726)

In other news, open source fanatics dislike Microsoft.

Re:Captain Obvious Strikes Again (1)

CarlinWithers (861335) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078816)

I don't think it's about Microsoft. *nix is a great way to get around Microsoft without going to the Mac. I think what is causing the recent trend towards Macs is actually more to do with hardware. PowerPC is a better architecture than x86 as of right now. And Apple's notebooks are particularily good.

Re:Captain Obvious Strikes Again (1)

OxygenPenguin (785248) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078817)

I can't even imagine explaining the obvious redundancy of that comment. Of course, open source fanatics hate Microsoft, the evil and vile bastion of everything that open source is not. Small wonder that anyone loving the freedom that is open source would plug anything but, especially a product with enough steam and user happiness as a Mac.

I would personally love to get a Mac, but they are super-expensive compared to what i can get an x86 one for. Especially since i'd probably just run Linux on it anyway...

OMG... (-1, Flamebait)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078732)

It is true.

Slashdot is a Mac advocacy site!

I usually hate it when people say this, but it's true!!! Oh, the horror.

Re:OMG... (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078863)

It is true. Slashdot is a Mac advocacy site! I usually hate it when people say this, but it's true!!! Oh, the horror.

Most /. advocacy seems to stem from the following:

Macs aren't Microsoft (unless you used Word or something on them)

You can install Linux on them (not that you can't even an electric toothbrush these days)

They were an underdog, which made those really cool Apple ][ computers back in the day (some of us have the emulators installed on our PC's and still fiddle with them.)

They had a sense of style, which the monolithic PC companies still can't seem to get (PC's, seen them lately? Was Dell/HP styling inspired by pinching a loaf?)

They were evolving, which always inspires some hope.

did I miss anything?

Funny... (4, Funny)

neonstz (79215) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078741)

...as this is the first time I read slashdot on my new Mac Mini.

Re:Funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078852)

It wasn't fast enough to get you first post though.

Macs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078745)

TACO FUCKS PIGS

Fuck Taco in the ass with a big rubber dick!

Games are the key... (4, Insightful)

xTK-421x (531992) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078746)

I would switch if games didn't come out until a year after the PC version does.

Re:Games are the key... (5, Insightful)

rokzy (687636) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078832)

just do what I do - get a console and save hundreds on CPU and GPU upgrades.

as strange as it may sound, I bought my Mac to do work.

Re:Games are the key... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078927)

But this article isn't talking about gamers, it's talking about hackers. The two cultures don't overlap as much as gamers like to think.

Re:Games are the key... (1)

adiposity (684943) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078971)

I'm a gamer and a hacker...but I'm well aware that I'm a member of two clubs, of which many members are not in common. -Dan

Re:Games are the key... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078973)

I would switch if games came out at all...

Yawn... (0, Troll)

MSFanBoi (695480) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078748)

This was said in the early 90's, the mid 90's, the late 90's, the early 2000's and now again. Till Apple has 5% of the market it's rather pointless. Never the less, till they open the OS to the rest of the planet, it's going to be just where it is. And by open the OS, I mean the WHOLE OS, not something I can get from FreeBSD...

Of course. (5, Funny)

Patrick Mannion (782290) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078749)

It's UNIX-based! What hacker doesn't want something that uses UNIX. Besides... Linux is sooooooo 90s.

In other words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078751)

The Mac fashion hits the geek crowd!

Powerusers && Powermacs (5, Insightful)

qw(name) (718245) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078753)


Last year's Usenix conference was full of Powerbooks. Most of the top dogs in the industry. That prompted me to buy a PowerMac. It's the best computing decision I've ever made.

Re:Powerusers && Powermacs (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078798)

Translation: I saw other "cooler" people using them, so I figured I'd better hurry up and buy one.

Re:Powerusers && Powermacs (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078950)

Translation: I saw other "cooler" people using them, so I figured I'd better hurry up and buy one.

Replace cooler with "makes more money so they can afford one."

Re:Powerusers && Powermacs (1)

trb (8509) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078871)

Last year's Usenix conference was full of Powerbooks.

People don't carry laptops to hack. They carry them to use apps. What is important is what platform hackers are developing for, not what platform they're using to read mail and surf the web.

Marketing people love you! (5, Funny)

sg3000 (87992) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078968)

> Last year's Usenix conference was full of Powerbooks.

This is an example of Principle of Similarity and Principle of Social Proof including "The Number of Sources" Effect.

> Most of the top dogs in the industry.

This is an example of influence using authority, including High Status

> That prompted me to buy a PowerMac.
Aha! The requested target action!

> It's the best computing decision I've ever made.
Principle of Consistency

p.s., I'm not mocking you. I just noticed a bunch of statements that match the midterm I have Thursday night. Thus, this post counts as "studying"

p.p.s., I love my PowerBook

p.p.p.s., Please note, reading the above post qualifies you to place out of a graduate level Consumer Behavior marketing class.

And? (4, Insightful)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078754)

What's your point? I don't like Dell laptops... IBM sold their laptop division to some no-name, can't be yet trusted for quality company over seas... what's that leave us? Yes, Powerbooks... they're great hardware... I'm not a Mac lover... but I have had to work on PPC hardware, and I do like the power it has over similiar x86 based laptops... and OSX is a nice unix environment with a pretty shell... now if the powerbooks still had OS9 on them, there would be no way I would buy one...

That's the seller, an OS that's stable and powerful, on hardware that's powerful... Less to do with it being Apple, more to do with being better than Dell and HP and the rest of the crap out there.

All the hackers egh ? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078755)


well that accounts for 0.0000001% of the worlds population, whooo revolution, in your face Amiga !!!

Let the flame war commence! (5, Funny)

goldspider (445116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078756)

Self-righteous Apple fanboys in one corner.

Foaming-at-the-mouth Linux zealots in another.

This could get ugly, folks. I'm sure the *BSD crowd would chime in too, except that a judge recently orderd the feeding tube to be removed.

Re:Let the flame war commence! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078777)

So what do you do when a flamebait makes you laugh?

Re:Let the flame war commence! (1)

mbrewthx (693182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078854)

I run Solaris 10 you insensitive clod!!!!!!!

well (5, Insightful)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078761)

at least at my university, it seems as if apple have changed their image. No longer for graphic designers - it's for people who wanna 'get stuff done' with their computers

Also, their laptops are pretty much class dominant, and compare favourably on price with the high-end thinkpads in the powerbook range.

I would rather say... (2, Insightful)

Eminence (225397) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078768)

'All the rich hackers I know are gradually switching to Macs.' :)

But it's true - all my friends form Unix/Linux years who can afford it buy Macs. Especially Powerbooks.

great hardware (3, Interesting)

bad_outlook (868902) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078770)

I have an iBook, and love it, however I run Linux on it, Gentoo before, Ubuntu currently. All funcitions are supported, it's a perfect match in my opinion. Ppl that gripe "why would you run Linux instead of OSX, OSX is BSD!" just don't understand the diff, and that's fine, OSX is a fine OS for most, but for me Linux is the only way to go to have complete freedom.

bo

Re:great hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078942)

Yes. I would do the same based on my experiences with OS X. Although it's unix underneath, I find the commands annoyingly different to the GNU versions.

First Post? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078779)

How pathetic. No comments?

Grammas (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078781)

These guys are not the graphic designers and grandmas who were buying Macs at Apple's low point in the mid 1990s. They are not both, but are they either? But seriously, this does strike me as some apologistic appeal to authority.

Whats with all the Apple ego stroking lately? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078790)

O_o

first post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078791)

ha! troll'd!

Expose (4, Funny)

Ghetto_D (670850) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078793)

I'm sure we'll see a sharp decline in the number of ingenious hacks out there as these developers spend their days holding shift and watching expose in slow motion.

power pc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078802)

Maybe they are just tired of x86 and Mac is a good way to get a good power pc based computer.

From the Article... (3, Insightful)

th1ckasabr1ck (752151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078803)

Our new site, ycombinator.com, is (we hope) visited mostly by hackers. The proportions of OSes are: Windows 59.8%, Macintosh 16.9%, FreeBSD 11%, and Linux 10.3%. The Mac number is a big change from what it would have been five years ago.

That statement would defintely hold more water if they actually had numbers from five years ago to compare to. Even though their site didn't exist five years ago, maybe check out a similar site that DID exist way back then...

No need to buy a mac (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078808)

Get a girlfriend. Girls like Macs. Borrow girlfriends computer when you need to test your code on a Mac.

Oh that's why "all the best hackers" are buying Macs. They've finally resigned themselves to never having a girlfriend.

Boring article really...

Author is on crack (2, Interesting)

badmammajamma (171260) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078809)

My favorite part of his essay:

"If you want to know what ordinary people will be doing with computers in ten years, just walk around the CS department at a good university. Whatever they're doing, you'll be doing."

Seriously, this guy lives in fantasy land. It's been a long long time since universities have done anything that has influence the software industry.

Re:Author is on crack (5, Insightful)

ctid (449118) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078901)

My favorite part of his essay:

"If you want to know what ordinary people will be doing with computers in ten years, just walk around the CS department at a good university. Whatever they're doing, you'll be doing."

Seriously, this guy lives in fantasy land. It's been a long long time since universities have done anything that has influence the software industry.

Are you sure about that? Think about messing around on the Internet. Ten years ago that was just getting popular in universities and now it's perfectly normal in the home.

Re:Author is on crack (1)

justforaday (560408) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078921)

"If you want to know what ordinary people will be doing with computers in ten years, just walk around the CS department at a good university. Whatever they're doing, you'll be doing."

Sweet! Sounds like I'll still be using P2P to download music and warez.

Re:Author is on crack (1)

dieman (4814) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078923)

And seriously, there are many good CSci departments not using Macs much at all. I fathom we can manage a lab full of Linux or Windows machines far better than a lab of macs, even with the right tools. Apple never did a horribly great job on the whole mass-desktop-site concept. Labs sure, but large-scale sites never seemed to get much lip service.

Re:Author is on crack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078937)

I think he based it on the fact that when he was at Uni, he used Windows.

Re:Author is on crack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078985)

Um, SSA, SSI, Refactoring, Vectorization, ...

Do you actually know what the NSF/DARPA/Universities do in research? (Give you a hint: besides all the compiler tricks that are only just now trickling down into production compilers, there was also this one invention, called "The Internet" that kinda, like, changed the course of mankind and history ...)

Re:Author is on crack (1)

avandesande (143899) | more than 9 years ago | (#12079009)

!troll
we would all be doing java if this was true

Good, now you can have virus' too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078810)

FEOM

Getting old... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078818)

Something tells me that Paul Graham and his friends are getting close to their fiftieth birthday and have lots of money to spare... They are probably already feeling their age which explains why they can't be bothered with systems that require more tinkering.

No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078820)

As someone who works in operating systems let me just be the first to say no. We're sitting at 92% Linux in a 300 person lab.

Anecdotes do not statistical surveys make. "Everyone I know" indeed.

OR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078821)

they heard statiscally their chances of women approaching them goes up 5% when they're using a powerbook.

If Linus switched (1)

gulfan (524955) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078822)

Then it's a good indication that others will follow.

What did you expect? (1)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078833)

with the design of OS X and it's grandparent OS, FreeBSD, why wouldn't they switch?

If it can perform almost anything the old OS can perform but with the polish and graphical wizardy apple has shown in OS X, plus with the support of using a now "semi-mainstream" Operation System.

Linux is still a viable option, but seriously.. how often do you hear of people with Macs running linux instead of OS X now? How is support doing for non x86 Linux these days?? Saw it coming

Anecdotal evidence: (5, Interesting)

oostevo (736441) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078843)

Here's some more anecdotal evidence (that doesn't have a statistically significant sample size, I know, I know):

I'm at university, and I know a lot of computer scientists (particularly of the theoretical sort) and scientists of various other disciplines around here that love OS X. Just like using a functional language like Lisp versus using assembly, using OS X takes some of the responsibility for mundane, largely unnecessary tasks out of your hands and frees you to do the computing work that you need to do.

Sure someone well versed in systems or operating system design would be able to get more out of Linux if they took the time to optimize it, but most "hardcore hackers" I know around here sure don't have that sort of time.

Anyone really using XServes? (3, Interesting)

PornMaster (749461) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078844)

I haven't seen people making the server switch... only using Macs as fileservers for Mac-heavy networks. I'm not aware of any large businesses using them, nor popular websites outside of Apple.

Obviously there are some clusters of them that make the news all the time. I'm not trying to troll, just wondering if there's a future for Xserve beyond niche markets.

dump linux for mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078849)

seems like geeks are dumping linux for mac, while windows retains its marketshare. which makes sense since os x has the one thing linux lacks ... a good desktop.

[fft] - Fast Food Technology? (-1, Flamebait)

daniil (775990) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078857)

I find it kind of ironic that while Slashdotters are bashing fast food companies like McDonalds, they're praising what i would call "fast food technology". Yeah, it looks good on the outside and is tasty as shit, but if you look inside it, then both Macs are pretty much the same -- both are turning people into fat and lazy. And they're both effectively killing businesses that don't conform to their agressive monopolistic policies. They're both doing their best to destroy diversity in their respective markets (just like big car companies like GM and Ford have already done). Is this really what hackers want?

I call mod abuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078993)

It's official: Mac zealots will do anything to silence any criticism of their little darling.

UK Networkshop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078858)

at this years Networkshop (Academic Network event hosted by JANET) about 50% of the laptops were Apple Powerbooks. Last year there were about 2 powerbooks total. This is a direct effect of 1)OSX now being mature 2) OSX being based on BSD - and more OS tools running on it - and finally 3) being able to 'just work' without spending a large portion of your admin time patching the damn system.

There you go! (1)

Orangez (871612) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078874)

"...and grandmas who were buying Macs..."

Now i know what to ask when Christmas comes around!

time for (0)

rtphokie (518490) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078883)

... the weekly "the Mac is Back" post.

Does this need to be reinforced?

The ONE (2, Informative)

HogGeek (456673) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078889)

I've found (finally) the one computer that can do everything I need. I work in a MS environment, and being able to use MS Office is a godsend. I also administer multiple flavors of UN*X, and have found the tools I need either already installed, or easily compiled.


I used to have 3 or 4 computers to be able to do everthing I needed, and now I have "The ONE"

Re:The ONE (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078980)

I used to have 3 or 4 computers to be able to do everthing I needed, and now I have "The ONE"

Whoah...

Text only mirror (1)

sdMMk (857216) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078893)

Here: [sitevip.net]

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old news (3, Insightful)

adpowers (153922) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078911)

I noticed this trend (geeks switching to OS X) a few years ago. Most of the alpha geeks at Seattle Wireless were using iBooks around 2002. At that point, I knew Apple had a bright future ahead. Not only have I switched my main computer to a 12" PowerBook, but I also invested in AAPL stock. Now most of my roommates have iPods, more than half have PowerBooks, and the rest want a PowerBook. Many of my friends are switching, and it will be only a matter of time before lots of the general population does as well.

Alpha geek Mac switchers (1)

SilentSage (656382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078916)

I am not a Mac fanboy by any means but they are awesome machines. I think the O'Reilly article missed the point in his article though. The reason people are switching to macs is that you can do those things like office apps that windows machines are a little more useful for and can run a lot of very powerful Unix apps just by hitting a line command. Of course Macs have their downsides too but there a lot of damn good reasons for the switching in the article.

Maybe... (1)

TheBurrito (767042) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078934)

Maybe all the hackers are just tired of calling their kids because the internet is broken again.

Apple Viral Marketing in Action. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078947)

Linux remains the favorite.

Switching to Macs or to BSD? (1)

PxM (855264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078957)

The article concentrates on hackers liking the features that Apple adds to the modern Mac, but how many of the programmers and power users jumping ship from Wintel (or WAMD) machines are doing this because of BSD? The main reason I got my Mac Mini was because it is smaller than the Linux server I use right now so it's easier to deal with. I might eventually use it as a Mac client machine rather than as a server once I figure out how to set up my media system, but right now it's just another *nix box to me. Apple really did the right thing by loading OSX with a ton of developer tools and allowing the community to do much of their work for them.

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best line of the article (1)

computerme (655703) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078958)

> It's not enough to make it "open." It has to be open and good.

Its simply just good at being better than everything else.

Technology spreaded from CS depts to the public!? (1)

arrowman (637725) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078961)

Almost all technology, from Unix to bitmapped displays to the Web, became popular first within CS departments and research labs, and gradually spread to the rest of the world.
Yeah right. I don't know who Paul Graham is, but he's evidently unaware of the PC, MS Windows, MS Office and a few other things.

I've been seeing the same thing (1)

finkployd (12902) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078967)

At Higher Education conferences like the ones that eduCause and Internet2 host, the amount of Mac laptops has gone from around 20% to 60-70% in recent years. I switched after using a Thinkpad with Linux for years. The fact that it can be put to sleep and wake up properly (something that seemingly nobody can get working reliably under Linux), and can easily work with projectors without editing a configuration file sealed the deal for me.

Damn one button mouse though, I wish Apple would just give up on that.

Finkployd

Why not? (4, Interesting)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078969)

The hardware is beautiful. It's well thought out, well laid out, lasts forever (battery wise and durability) and *gets girls to come over to your table look at it*. The alternative, at least for laptops, is IBM... at twice the price.

Now they even have a working scroll implimentation (which was a crippling omission, my NEC had a scroll stub for ~3 years before Apple thought of something).

And yes, your brand new very pretty computer will work well with Linux just fine, so there seems to be little downside at all*.

*Apart from lack of 3D card support, and for some reason Apple use crappy propriatery 802.11g cards with no Linux drivers. Mystifying.

Return switcher (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078976)

I just switched back to Mac after a 9 year hiatus. They really are sweet machines.

Old users returning (1)

Mjlner (609829) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078987)

From TFA:"For most of us, it's not a switch to Apple, but a return. Hard as this was to believe the mid 90s, the Mac was in its time the canonical hacker's computer."

So these guys are already maclovers, driven away from their favourite platform by the suckyness and unsecure future of System 7,8 and 9. Now, with OSX actually making the Mac a rather nice, geek- and user-friendly system, they return to the system they've been pining for ever since they left "home". Not surprising.

Free of Wintel at last!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12078997)

I always liked the Power architecture.

Thank You Apple for bringing Power within reach of the common man!

I'll switch to a mac (once I can afford it) (1)

RiotXIX (230569) | more than 9 years ago | (#12078999)

All the glory of UNIX (esp. bash) with *MODERN HARDWARE* support (after 4 years, my netmd still won't work, and after 6 months, neither will my m-audio sound card).
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