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Mac OS X "Tiger" Enters Final Candidate Stage

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the sure-wish-i-had-devel-seeds dept.

OS X 583

Orangez writes "Apppleinsider.com reports that 'Tiger' reaches the final candidate stage. 'With massive software projects such as Tiger, Apple will sometimes seed several final candidate builds before one is declared gold master...'" The final release has widely been speculated to be in the next month or two.

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News ? (2, Insightful)

mirko (198274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087788)

It has been rumoured for a long time so this final candidate stage is obvious.
It also appeared [valcenter.ch] on my Swiss reseller's catalogue last week.
I'm however glad it'll support my Samsung 213T rotation [macbidouille.com] .

Re:News ? (1)

eatmywake (858118) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087911)

tout qui substance magnifique de technologie, mais les rideaux roses [macbidouille.com] ?? ;)

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087790)

fp

before anyone else does it... (3, Funny)

thesixthreplicant (866292) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087792)

But, but, but who would be stupid enough to pay 129 bucks for a POINT release...for the love of god!

thankyou you've beening such a wonderful audience

ciao

Re:before anyone else does it... (4, Informative)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087820)

Its far more than a point release . The fact it adds many new features to the OS it is far more of an upgrade than most.
The new search tech is fully integrated .
The new G5 optimised code in the kernel is implemented iirc
The Dashboard looks very cool ;)
A reworking of many of the key areas of the functionality of the OS
Read the article and read any review of the tiger betas out there to find out for yourself why this is more than a mere update.

Re:before anyone else does it... (2, Funny)

thesixthreplicant (866292) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087853)

well i'm actually agreeing with you. i just wanted to stop all those people saying how stupid Mac people are for paying for a point release etc etc

you know what i mean

i though we all assume posts are sarcastic until modded otherwise?

ciao

Re:before anyone else does it... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087865)

;) Nope , on a mac thread we all asume its a troll till proven otherwise

Re:before anyone else does it... (1)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088073)

That said, it's still more economical to get it with a new system. $129 for a CD or $500 for the CD + computer (Mac Mini). I own an iBook -- and I'll probably take the second tact.

Re:before anyone else does it... (2, Interesting)

Shanep (68243) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088082)

Its far more than a point release

I read in a local PC centric computer mag, that the new sync function requires a .Mac account. This seems absurd to me, especially considering that I and I'd imagine many others, would just want this functionality to sync my data between my Mac's and not a .Mac account. I don't have a .Mac account and I don't want one.

Can someone put my mind to rest on this? This is the biggest feature I am eagerly waiting for. I was going to just use rsync and some scripting, but if Apple has done this, then I imagine it will be much more polished than what I can whip up without a decent effort that results in something which lacks quirks.

Re:before anyone else does it... (4, Informative)

varmittang (849469) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087831)

For the love of God!!! Its not a point release. Man, just because Linux goes by that way of point releases doesn't mean OS X does. 10.x is not points but a full independent version, 10.x.y is a point release.

Re:before anyone else does it... (4, Interesting)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087931)

Well, the difference between Linux 2.4 and Linux 2.6 is huge. It's the same as in your example: x is the MAJOR version, y is the point release.

On the other tentacle, this is a case of comparing apples (uh oh) to oranges: OS X is a whole OS, Linux is just the kernel. We should be rather comparing Tiger to, let's say, Debian Woody or Debian Sarge.

Re:before anyone else does it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087850)

Just like dropping $199 to go from Windows NT 5.0 to 5.1.

Re:before anyone else does it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087973)

Difference is, when Microsoft charges for a software update, everyone cries "updates should be free!", but when Apple does it, it's a Good Thing. Fucking Slashdot hypocrisy.

Re:before anyone else does it... (5, Informative)

cowscows (103644) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087859)

The fact that it's a a point release is basically just semantics. Apple sort of painted themselves into a corner with the name OSX. It's sort of the 10th version of the Mac OS, but the X was to make it sound cooler and sort of clever, but what comes after? OS XI? That looks weird. And a little too close to XP. So they've gone with 10.whatever, and used 10.x.x for what'd normally be considered a point release. 10.4 has been a long time coming, and it's got plenty of big changes over 10.3, such that a bigger name change wouldn't be that surprising, if apple could come up with a better name for it. That's probably why they've been making the big cat code names more official. Jaguar, Panther, Tiger...

If you want, you can complain that Apple's devaluing the normal versioning numbering system, but I don't think they'll care much if you do.

Re:before anyone else does it... (1)

justforaday (560408) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087914)

If you want, you can complain that Apple's devaluing the normal versioning numbering system, but I don't think they'll care much if you do.

I think Microsoft can claim responsibility for that particular innovation.

Re:before anyone else does it... (5, Insightful)

Jellybob (597204) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088039)

It seems to me that Apple are doing versioning right.

The way it should work is x.y.z

z: Bug fixes
y: New features
x: Backwards compatibility break

Since 10.4 appears to have new features, but not break backwards compatibility, it's the right version.

Re:before anyone else does it... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087862)

Dude, I can't believe neither the mod nor the others who answered you actually believed you meant what you wrote.
It was obviously irony... A typical Slashdot-culture item...
Don't let this flamebait mod prevent you from starting again : it's only karma :)

Re:before anyone else does it... (0)

thesixthreplicant (866292) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087900)

yeah, makes we want to hand in my white Apple stickers and join the rapid Apple haters at /.

But thanks for being here in my time of need. greatly appreciated.

Now...where can i get a BT of it?! ;)

Re:before anyone else does it... (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088056)

You would think that "thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week" would give it away.

Re:before anyone else does it... (3, Informative)

TylerL82 (617087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087864)

Lots of people did it for Windows XP (WinNT 5.1).

Re:before anyone else does it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087938)

If you start counting version of NT with 1.0 (rather than the 3.1 that they started counting at), you'd have the following:

NT 3.1 = 1.0, NT 3.5 = 1.1, NT 4.0 = 2.0, 2000 (5.0) = 3.0, XP (5.1) = 3.1

So, we're technically using NT 3.1 if they knew how to count up there in Redmond.

Re:before anyone else does it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087898)

a POINT release...for the love of god!

So, the fact that Apple named it 10.4 instead of 11.0 suddenly makes all the changes inside it less interesting?

If you think that mac OS X 10.4 is not worth of paying for it just because its 10.4 and not 11.0, then Mac OS X is NOT the right good OS for you, keep yourself in the Microsoft World, where marketing people try to twist your mind to make you think that a new release is really new (look at all those major MSDOS version and the "huge" differences between windows 95 and windows 98)

Re:before anyone else does it... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087901)

But, but, but who would be stupid enough to pay 129 bucks for a POINT release...for the love of god!

You're clearly being facetious, but not everyone will pick up on that. Thus, a point of explanation:

It's a mere point release, but that's an artifact of marketing. The number and magnitude of changes under the hood is incredible, with huge advances in developer productivity through tools like CoreData, CoreImage, and CoreVideo. The rendering subsystem has been worked over to the point where some operations are hundreds or thousands of times faster than they used to be, and the system takes advantage of modern GPUs to offload even more processing (formerly it was just compositing, not it's a whole lot more). Add to that new versions of Safari, Quicktime that's build on CoreAudio, and a ton of other neat stuff (Automator). You get a lot for your $140.

And remember, the 2.6 kernel was just a point release!

Re:before anyone else does it... (0, Flamebait)

This is outrageous! (745631) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087985)

But, but, but who would be stupid enough to pay 129 bucks for a POINT release...for the love of god!

You're clearly being facetious, but not everyone will pick up on that. Thus, a point of explanation:

Man! I thought Slashdot for Seniors was not due until 2037? Why are we having previews? A Final Candidate, already?

Re:before anyone else does it... (-1, Flamebait)

ducman (107063) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087989)

Sorry, you must be a Windows user. You're used to Microsoft releasing a new operating system that runs slower and is more insecure every decade or so. Apple makes their operating system work faster and do more on a regular basis, and asks you to buy a new version every couple of year, if you want the new stuff.

Re:before anyone else does it... (2, Insightful)

mario_grgic (515333) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087991)

Windows XP is Windows 5.1, Windows 2000 is Windows 5.0. How much was Windows XP Pro upgrade when it was just released again?

Re:before anyone else does it... (2, Insightful)

erikdalen (99500) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088066)

yup, and I'm waiting for linux 3.0.0 before I upgrade my kernel again :)

MacRumours (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087794)

I guess this must be where the big money is.

Now /. has been exposed for another Apple puppet, has anyone got any suggestions for a decent Linux/technology site?

Count them twice (1)

amling (732942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087818)

Or perhaps as an Appple puppet?

Re:MacRumours (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087839)

Take a look at the topics list. There are more topics that this site deals with than just Linux and technology.

Question: (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087795)

What will apple do when they run out of felines to name their OSes after?

Re:Question: (1)

FinestLittleSpace (719663) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087844)

Make decent software? SHAZAM!

Re:Question: (4, Funny)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087846)

Apple OS XI "west highland terrier"

Re:Question: (2, Informative)

mirko (198274) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087983)

Too late: ORA already reserved the right to use canine specimen [atomz.com] in order to deal with Apple-related technologies.

Re:Question: (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087996)

Sitting with a couple of those books on my desk , i now realise where i got the inspiration for that joke .I knew i should have said OS XI " Lesser spoted african swallow"

Re:Question: (2, Funny)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088000)

Why, they will start using canids, of course! Just imagine. Mac OS 10.5 Husky, Mac OS 10.6 Dobermann, Mac OS 10.7 Red Fox, Mac OS 10.8 Jackal, Mac OS 10.9 Timberwolf...

...oh wait. What will they do when they run out of numbers for point releases?!

Re:Question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12088033)

>What will they do when they run out of numbers for point releases?! Since there is an infinite number of integers, that's unlikely. Q: What comes after OS X 10.9? A: OS X 10.10

...or did you think OS X 10.9 was "Oh Ess Ten Ten and nine tenths?" ;-)

FP? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087797)

I woulda got first post but Bittorrent is using all my bandwidth downloading OS X Tiger Final Canidate.

sgarringer@gmail.com

Re:FP? (1)

BandwidthHog (257320) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087955)

It's been all I could do not to snag a copy from the warez scene. It's been even worse than trying not to sneak a peak at the presents before christmas morning. I'm very proud of myself for having resisted the temptation. Now SHIP THE FUCKING THING ALREADY!

And the hardware... (-1, Troll)

drummerboy195 (797865) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087801)

"from the sure-wish-i-had-devel-seeds dept" And I wish I had the hardware to run them on!

Re:And the hardware... (4, Interesting)

jaavaaguru (261551) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087907)

*yawn*

The Mac Mini (in its default/cheapest config) is perfectly good for surfing the web, checking mail and playing music and DVDs. And it's affordable. I know because I had mine pre-ordered and have been using it ever since it arrived.

Apple's OS software tends to get faster with every release, so you can be sure that Tiger will work fine on a Mac Mini. In fact we have it running on a Mini at work.

If you want a Mac, buy one instead of your next PC. If you really dislike the Mini, iBooks are cheap on E-bay.

And when Tiger is released... (2, Funny)

jwthompson2 (749521) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087803)

I will bow down and pay tribute for my copy...

Re:And when Tiger is released... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087843)

pay tribute for my copy...

Do you think a goat or lamb will suffice? Or maybe an oxen?

Re:And when Tiger is released... (1)

jwthompson2 (749521) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087861)

I'm betting on a couple of turtledoves and at least one four-eyed virgin...

Re:And when Tiger is released... (2, Interesting)

JHromadka (88188) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087932)

I'm waiting on Tiger so I can buy a Mac mini to use as a test server. Thing is, Apple has historically released OS X updates on the 24th of the month, and that falls on a Sunday. If no major issues in the FC, perhaps it will ship on Fri the 22.

Grrrrrr (4, Funny)

jimijon (608416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087804)

It's Great!

Innovation! (2, Funny)

ischorr (657205) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087805)

Interesting... Tell me more about this "release candidate" thing that Apple seems to have invented for large software products? =)

Re:Innovation! (1)

Peer (137534) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087924)

Unfortunately it's patented, so I can't really tell you about it.

Shhh... (-1, Flamebait)

vettemph (540399) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087812)

Can I suggest that all buzz about Apple cease so we at slashdot can the avoid legal problems experienced by others recently?

Paying again... (5, Interesting)

xtracto (837672) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087813)

I'd like to see them ship this sooner rather than later. People are excited about this release and we'd like to get our hands on it to become familiar with it.

I hope this release sticks around for a few years and Apple chooses to update it rather than come up with some new cat name and ask people to pay for it. I doubt that, however, since OS updates seems to be a major cash cow for Apple.

They are inadvertently (or purposefully) creating a situation where people are running 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, and now 10.4...makes it very tough for developers. We can't assume that everyone has the money to upgrade their OS all the time (and yes, I know they should).

Re:Paying again... (1, Funny)

medazinol (540033) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087829)

You'll get your wish soon enough. Watch Apple's (and everybody else's site) on friday ;)

Re:Paying again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087840)

FWICS it doesn't "make it tough for developers", the developers just ignore versions latest. I run 10.2, but lately whenever I try and find software all I see is "this requires 10.3.4 or later". Fuckwits. Not everyone has $150-odd to spend on OS updates.

Re:Paying again... (5, Insightful)

znu (31198) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088015)

Not every user has $129 to spend on OS upgrades every 12-24 months... but on the other hand, not every developer has hundreds of hours to waste implementing functionality on 10.2 that you get 'for free' on 10.3. Given the incredible new features for developers in 10.4, I'd expect there to be a lot of Tiger-only software.

Hell, I've been waiting for Tiger to even start writing a shareware app I'm planning. Some of the new stuff, particularly Core Data and the improved SeachKit, are going to save me absolutely huge amounts of time and make my app better. Sure, it'll be Tiger-only, but I'm willing to trade off compatibility for quality and convenience. Otherwise I'd be a Windows user....

Re:Paying again... (-1, Troll)

xtracto (837672) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087881)

Man... I should not do this but, I see mods dont really read TFA or anything else... I have found a great way to make karma... you see my comment? well, if you RTFA and read some of the comments you will see the same comment I posted here is over there...

Crap, I thought I would be modded down redundant and look! i got a 5 interesting hehe

Cool!

Re:Paying again... (4, Informative)

elbobo (28495) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087896)

You know, you don't have to pay for each new OS each year. You can skip one, or hell, two if you like.

The incredibly amount of work that goes into each new major OS X version easily justifies putting a price tag on them. These aren't Windows 98 to Windows Me steps, these are considerable feature and functionality upgrades.

As to writing software for them, my understanding is that they haven't often broken backwards compatibility, and thus haven't broken forwards compatibility. If you want your app to work for multiple versions, then only use the feature set exposed by the lowest version you want your app to be capable of running on. I don't think that's creating an unfair situation for developers at all.

Re:Paying again... (5, Informative)

TomorrowPlusX (571956) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088020)

In fact, Apple provides build configurations such that you can specificallly target, say 10.2 or 10.1 from 10.3, and be confident that you'll have the correct API & ABI versioning.

That said, with each version of OS X, shareware developers salivate to use the new features, since they often make the dirty work easier, or negligible ( for exampe, Cocoa Bindings for 10.3 ).

Obviously, the big development houses, Adobe, Quark, etc will not generally use these new features.

Please release a finished product! (2, Insightful)

Henriok (6762) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087923)

I really hope that they don't release Tiger early since an unstable, unfinished product isn't good in any one's book. Apple have a history of updating their operating systems every other month with a point release for stability, small new features and such and it would be nice to actually have a finished operating system from day one for once.

I LOVE Panther and I am in no need for upgrading, so my message to Apple is: DON*T RUSH IT! There's really no need. Wait a month or two and get it right!

I would hate it if they released 10.4.1 in May and 10.4.2 in time for WWDC in late June. If they did that (and they will, mark my words) they obviously did a rush job and that'd really suck.

Why not release a time bombed public beta if they desperately need a larger beta test group?

Re:Paying again... (2, Interesting)

birdman17 (706093) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087980)

They are inadvertently (or purposefully) creating a situation where people are running 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, and now 10.4...

Don't forget the folks running 10.0!

I got off the upgrade bandwagon at 10.2. I have seen various applications that run on 10.2 and 10.3 but not 10.1, so I think the 10.2 move was a good one, but I haven't found a lot of reasons for going to 10.3 for $129. If stuff starts coming out that I want to run and it no longer runs on 10.2, I might think about upgrading. But from the release notes I've seen, it looks like 10.2 and 10.3 are more or less identical from an API point of view, at least for the average application. (Applications don't seem to have separate binaries for the two OS versions.) So if this is the case, developers who support 10.3 will probably inadvertently be supporting 10.2 as well, and so I won't have to worry for a while yet.

Re:Paying again... (5, Interesting)

znu (31198) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088080)

But from the release notes I've seen, it looks like 10.2 and 10.3 are more or less identical from an API point of view, at least for the average application.

They're not. There are some pretty big differences, most notably Bindings, which only work on 10.3, and can save developers a huge amount of drudge word implementing a GUI. Thing is, most apps presently on the market predate Bindings, and switching an app over is a lot of work, so the technology hasn't been widely adopted and a lot of apps still work on 10.2.

With Core Data (which basically takes all the drudge work out of data modeling), Tiger is introducing something almost as significant. Maybe more significant for some apps.

If you're writing an new OS X app now, you'd be crazy not to use Core Data and Bindings -- they'll literally save you hundreds of hours.

Maybe large development houses have the luxury of investing all those hours to support older systems, but small operations and one-man projects generally don't. So, expect to see a lot of new apps from the small guys be Tiger-only.

Re:Paying again... (2, Informative)

mbbac (568880) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087999)

If you haven't noticed already, their OS X release schedule is slowing. The first major revision was free and a few months after 10.0. 10.2 and 10.3 were close to a year apart. 10.4 looks like it will be released about 18 months after 10.3.

Upgrade plans for new systems? (2, Interesting)

Mean_Nishka (543399) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087821)

Does anyone know what Apple typically does for new systems? I bought my G4 Powerbook about a month ago and curious if I will have to pay the full rate for the upgrade. I recall in the past there have been special discounts/freebies for new owners.

Re:Upgrade plans for new systems? (4, Informative)

allgood2 (226994) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087912)

Typically, there's a 30 or 60 day (I forget which) period, that if you've purchased new equipment you can get the new OS either for free or the cost of shipping, something like that. I know I got Jaguar for less than $25 when it came out, because I had just purchased a laptop before its release.

Yes, you can get an upgrade (probably) (5, Informative)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087935)

I worked as a Mac Genius when Jaguar came out, and there was an official cut-off date about 5 weeks before the official release. If you purchased a mac between then and the release date, you got the free upgrade. Not the stand-alone OS install, mind you, but the "drop in" upgrade discs that they toss in the boxes of new macs at the store that don't have the OS preloaded. They do have a little give around these dates if you whine enough (hope I'm not violating my NDA...=)

You CAN install the OS from scratch (you aren't forced to do one of those nasty upgrades), but you MUST have the previous OS installed for the discs to work. Which you do, so don't worry. It just means if you ever need to reinstall your OS in the event of a disaster, you'll have to install 10.3 first, then do the format-(or archive)-and-install with 10.4.

Re:Upgrade plans for new systems? (1, Interesting)

eSims (723865) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088007)

You're SOL...

My personal gripe about apple... I bought an Imac 19 days before 10.3 Panther was released. Apple refused to give me the new version.

From my experience Apple's customer service reputation is mostly hype. I have dealt with them on several issues and like the one cited above they have fallen flat every time.

But like most people... what? Ooooo... Pretty hardware!

Re:Upgrade plans for new systems? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12088104)

You must have called the wrong Apple, because Apple Computers, Inc. would have given you a free copy of Panther. Mod troll down.

Running older hardware?! (4, Interesting)

mariox19 (632969) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087822)

Any word on how it's expected to run on older hardware: meaning, any G4 from the last 4 or 5 years?

Every newer OS X has run better than the previous version on these machines from my experience, and from what I've heard others say. Realistically, how long can that go on though until newer versions start to overwhelm older hardware?

Anyone with their hands on a pre-release version of Tiger have any insight into this?

Re:Running older hardware?! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087947)

Every newer OS X has run better than the previous version on these machines from my experience, and from what I've heard others say. Realistically, how long can that go on though until newer versions start to overwhelm older hardware?

Mac OS X is a very young OS, it has been getting better WRT old machines just because first version were painful and there was a lot of places to polish, just like there'd be in any young OS who haven't had time to madurate (a good analogy would be to compare the performance of KDE 2.0 and 3.4)

Re:Running older hardware?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087948)

It's running faster everywhere that I have tried it.

Re:Running older hardware?! (1)

Sentry21 (8183) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088109)

Anyone with their hands on a pre-release version of Tiger is either a pirate or is under an NDA, so I doubt you'll get many answers, but I fully expect a performance boost across the board.

can we (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087823)

can we get an article when it enters FC2 stage, too, please?

So, where's the... (1, Funny)

rfinnvik (16122) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087825)

...torrent ? :D

Logistics (4, Informative)

LittleGuernica (736577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087837)

Rumurs are that it will be presented this Friday (april 1st) and that it will be "unleashed" on April 15. Is it logistically possibly that right now it's not even "gold master" and that 2 weeks later millions of discs are pressed and packaged?

So I believe the 15th as release date is very improbable (by Zarquon), maybe June 6th at WWDC?

Wonder how bad Tiger will punish (0, Troll)

cmefford (810011) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087842)

current hardware?

10.3.x works quite well on Apple's current run of machines, the G4 powerbooks and such. I've always been a bit cynical about Apple handing out bloatware to punish the Apple faithful.

Now, the hype will say that Tiger will be /faster/ than Panther, (which really was faster than Jaguar, big suprise!) and so on.

If this hype were based in reality, Then Tiger should run like a raped ape on a Mac IIci, (which
shipped I think with 6.2) as every Mac OS increment has always claimed performance improvements over the existing product.

I have over 30 "modern" deployed at work. I am not at all happy about the impending release of Tiger. not without a significant bump in available hardware. Yes, the dual g5 (maybe quad soon?) is a wonderful box, but even with Panther, fully updated, it IMHO only runs as it should. You ask
it to do something, it does it. No more, no less.
Like Word Perfect 4.2 on DOS on a 286 (my personal
benchmark of performance). I've always felt that over the years the good folks at Apple bring stuff to a nice plateau, and then punish us by bringing out an OS that chokes our none-too-cheap hardware that WE JUST BOUGHT.

Please Apple, hold this OS until you update the platform (give us SLi) and then warn the
drooling macophiles that you'd do well to stick
with Panther until you can upgrade your hardware.

Thaz all.

--what's happening up the hollar?
http://www.bearwallerhollar.net

Re:Wonder how bad Tiger will punish (3, Funny)

agraupe (769778) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087885)

I had never heard the expression "run like a raped ape". I think I shall have to use it now :)

Re:Wonder how bad Tiger will punish (2, Insightful)

TylerL82 (617087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087892)

Nobody would've claimed that 10.0 was a "massive speed improvement" over 9.2.2 and before.
All the compliments like "omg Tiger is sooo much faster" is compared to either Jaguar or Panther.

In fact, some people would say that Panther and Tiger are back up to OS 9 levels of responsiveness...

Re:Wonder how bad Tiger will punish (1)

cmefford (810011) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087934)

" Nobody would've claimed that 10.0 was a "massive speed improvement" over 9.2.2 " Your right, no person did. But I'm pretty sure there was some Apple hype about how much better, faster, more responsive, OSX was over 9.2.2. But I could very well be wrong. On the other note, I think 10.3.x (panther) is (on appropriate hardware) more responsive than 9.2.2 But, yes, point taken.

Re:Wonder how bad Tiger will punish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087952)

I've always been annoyed by the confusion of "faster" with "responsive." Want the interface more responsive? 'nice' it to the highest priority and it'll be nice and snapppy, but everyting else will crawl. To me, faster means that by the end of the day I got more work done. A more responsive interface does not imply that I will.... In fact, it could mean just the opposite -- OS 9 may have had a more responsive interface, but I'm a helluva lot more productive with OS X. That's faster.

Off topic, Whoever modded this flamebait (1, Funny)

cmefford (810011) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087960)

doesn't have a network of macs to administer I'll just bet.

Re:Wonder how bad Tiger will punish (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087964)

The hype *is* based in reality. I run Panther on old hardware (a souped-up 7500). Panther really was noticeably faster than Jaguar, which was noticeably faster than 10.1, which in turn was noticeably faster than 10.0. I'm hoping Tiger a) runs on the box and b) is faster than Panther. Currently I have no reason to expect otherwise. OS X have a proven track record of increasing performance on any given hardware for each new version.

So what's your beef? Tiger won't be slower, and there's no magical cutoff that prevents you from sticking with 10.3.

Wait a second....I know you. You're that guy who would also complain that Tiger doesn't run on existing hardware if that were the case. In that case, nevermind.

Re:Wonder how bad Tiger will punish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087967)

10.3.x works quite well on Apple's current run of machines, the G4 powerbooks and such. I've always been a bit cynical about Apple handing out bloatware to punish the Apple faithful.

I've heard that Tiger will be delivered only in DVDs. Machines without DVD won't be able to upgrade - sounds like a reasonable way to do things, a full-featured 2005 OS can't run so well in a 5 years old machine no matter what you do

Re:Wonder how bad Tiger will punish (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12088010)

"If this hype were based in reality, Then Tiger should run like a raped ape on a Mac IIci, (which
shipped I think with 6.2) as every Mac OS increment has always claimed performance improvements over the existing product."

That's ridiculous. Even if Apple didn't drop support for old hardware, one would assume performance improvements converge on the theoretical maximum amount of work the chip can do. An OS running on a IIci could go through hundreds of revisions, each faster than the last, without getting particularly fast.

That said, 10.0 was not claimed to be faster than 9. Everyone knew it was slower. That was a generational shift. Since then, Apple's been finishing the OS, and it now runs reasonably, when before it did not.

Moreover, Apple does drop support. Every time they drop an old computer model, they're able to tune the new OS by cutting out all the code that was needed to handle the old hardware. The result is that the fastest Mac OS for any system is almost always the last Mac OS that system supports. Again, the exception is systems that only support 10.0-10.1. Blueberry iBooks, for example, are best off with classic.

new things. (1)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087848)

I hear that it incorporates some more bluetooth capabilities, allowing to patch the phone call through to your BT headset. Can't wait until the next version of BluePhoneElite and Salling Clicker after the release of 10.4. B.

Re:new things. (1)

chillmost (648301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087891)

QUIET BOY! do ya want ta get sued?

I'm so excited about this new pussy.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087866)

..cat that I think I'll cream my geek pants.

What?!

Will it cost money? (5, Informative)

phooka.de (302970) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087873)

Yes, it will cost money.


No, this is nothing new.


Yes, the version number seems to indicate it's not a new version but only an update. You have to simply ignore the leading "10.". It ain't that hard.


Yes, this is actually like Microsoft charging you for XP (NT5.1) after you already bought Win2000 (NT5.0) or NT4.0 or NT3.51 - the leading "10." is like the leading "NT" from Microsoft.


Yes, this is old news, but the issue comes up every time Apple releases a new version of OS X.

of course tiger would go gold now... (1)

a_greer2005 (863926) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087886)

Because I just bought my new Mac...it is all about timing baby!

But really, I cant wait for tiger.

I will wait until two weeks after 10.4.1 (1, Insightful)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087887)

No matter how carefully tested, any big OS release is a public beta. Until a large number of people have tried the software with a real-world array of hardware configurations, applications, and patterns of usage, nobody knows the hidden gotchas (such as an incompatibility with some old firewire bridge chip that corrupts FW HDs!).

10.4.1 should fix most of the glaring bugs of 10.4, but a two week, watch-the-forums-for-problems period for 10.4.1 will ensure that bug-fix release is stable and does not add yet another major glitch.

I realize this strategy of waiting until the dust settles is cowardly and that I am shirking my duty to help Apple debug its OS. But I run production systems and downtime/corruption is something I prefer to avoid even if it means not staying on the bleeding edge of cool software.

Re:I will wait until two weeks after 10.4.1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087943)

i plan to buy an iBook or even a PB around June/July and use the CD that came with it to update my current Macs

probably illegal to do this. no?

Might not work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12088030)

The CDs are designed to only run on the model that they came with. You may be able to run the old mac in firewire target disk mode through the Powerbook and install it that way.

Re:I will wait until two weeks after 10.4.1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12088036)

Yes, it is illegal. Moreover, it is very unlikely to work well. The install CDs (actually it will probably be DVDs) are customized to the hardware and seldom work on other machines.

10.3.9 update is coming (5, Informative)

bach37 (602070) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087910)

Looks like there will be a 10.3.9 [macrumors.com] update soon, interestingly enough.

x86 release? (-1, Offtopic)

bird603568 (808629) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087939)

With Apple making all these releases, wouldnt it be nice it they made OSX for a x86. I really wish that macs were cheaper because a x86 laptop is cheaper for college.

Re:x86 release? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087993)

wouldnt it be nice it they made OSX for a x86.

This has been asked in the past, and won't happen. Apple is not a company who aims to own the whole industry like Microsoft has just to get the money. Apple likes doing things well, somewhat like Ferrari

They could switch and do it, and millions of people could get convinced to use it, but they won't do it. Apple doesn't works that way, period.

Re:x86 release? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12088005)

You need help.

Re:x86 release? (3, Insightful)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088019)

If you price out similarly configured ibooks and dells, you will see that the price is not all that different. Add to the fact that as a student, you can get a discount on the laptops (about $150-200 IIRC), and it's a little sweeter. But, there is nothing on the low end of latptops that the mac can compete with in price. A celeron based laptop for $499 will always beat out an iBook, pricewise. OTOH, you have to use a celeron laptop....

great (2, Funny)

R.D.Olivaw (826349) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087958)

Mac OS X "Tiger" Enters Final Candidate Stage

so only one candidate to vote off and we're left with the winner?

When attacked with a box of blueberries.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087976)

Does anyone know how Apple and their distributors deal in general with an 'upgrade' of this type? What I mean is, will OSX 10.4 come bundled with new hardware if I buy that hardware after it is released? Or do I have to buy a new power-whatever and the new OS separately?

I hope somebody attacks Apple with a box of blueberries soon, because I'm looking forward to them releasing the tiger (MontyP)

Attention Apple Zealots ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12087995)

Okay, you can have your daily love fest here on slashdot.

Mod down critics.

Mod up propaganda.

Fuck it, you can have Slashdot.

Maybe a new, better Linux site will arise.
Anybody got a URL?

Re:Attention Apple Zealots ! (2, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 9 years ago | (#12088093)

Maybe a new, better Linux site will arise.

Maybe a new better *Linux* will arise. :)

Hey! I tease! Linux is great. Calm down.

point releases (5, Funny)

cocoamix (560647) | more than 9 years ago | (#12087997)

All this talk about "point releases" is just semantics. I know most Slashdotters aren't zoologists, but all significant OS X upgrades are SPECIES updates.

Jumping over to Family Canidae from Family Felidae, would you upgrade from a Chihuahua that shits on your keyboard to a Golden Retriever that fetches beer and Hot Pockets? I sure would.

That's about the difference that Tiger is going to be over 10.0 (Cheetah).
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