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Why One Man Got a Guerrilla RFID Implant

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the better-than-letting-someone-else-choose-it dept.

Privacy 348

Shannon writes "One of my writers just did an interview with Amal Graafstra, who just had an RFID implant put in his hand and has been building appliances for it to simplify and automate his life... "I guess I have my own Big Brother paranoia. Given the choice of Orwellian societies, I'd rather live in one based on RFID tags than fingerprints, DNA, or facial structure; an RFID tag system is easy to manage and opt out of, whereas DNA sampling or facial recognition, well, isn't.""

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091669)

First post, I just hope it's anonymous...

Hm.... (-1, Offtopic)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091689)

And here I've always heard that chimps have the most impressive schlongs. Well, whatever. It takes all kinds, I guess.

Gorilla? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091692)

This is the kind of gorilla I like:

http://www.gorillamask.net/godaddy.shtml [gorillamask.net]

- Moomin

Parent NOT safe for work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091737)

Thanks for the warning, ASSHOLE

Re:Parent NOT safe for work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091763)

Asshole? You saw godaddy and you clicked on the link anyway! Whose the asshole now.

- Moomin

Opt-out, eh? (3, Insightful)

The_REAL_DZA (731082) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091694)

So I guess this guy just doesn't take his hand with him if he doesn't want to be tracked?

Re:Opt-out, eh? (2, Insightful)

nocomment (239368) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091754)

I was wondering if he ever read revelations.

Re:Opt-out, eh? (1)

pablonhd (797579) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091857)

I was thinking the same thing.

Re:Opt-out, eh? (2, Interesting)

shredswithpiks (867616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091909)

My thoughts exactly. The idea as a whole seems pretty cool, though. Reminds me of Mercedes' (or was it made by Lexus first? some car company's:...) key system where if you throw the keys in the trunk, the trunk won't close or lock or anything. Once you get within a few feet of the car it will unlock automatically and even start up if you have it set to. I'd rather be able to leave they keys at home, then have them surgically implanted into my hand (or left butt cheek... wherever).

Re:Opt-out, eh? (1)

tsalaroth (798327) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092010)

then have them surgically implanted into my hand (or left butt cheek... wherever).

What? So you don't get locked in the trunk or something?

From his site (3, Informative)

JLavezzo (161308) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091946)

From his site:
_______
Q: what about the mark of the beast!?
A: well, last time I checked, this chip wasn't required, I won't be killed for not having one, I don't need it to buy/sell things, and with billions of unique ID codes (numbers and letters), I don't see how each unique code could be calculated in some way to 666. bottom line, if this ever becomes an oppressive technology, required by some government, I can simply take it out.

- Revelation 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.
- Revelation 13:17 - And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
- Revelation 13:18 - Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)
^^^^^^^
<nit pic>That book of the Bible is called The Revelation of St. John. No plural.</nit pic>

Re:From his site (1)

shredswithpiks (867616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091994)

Thanks for that... the comment, I think, was more about where the technology *could* take us. Which has been (slightly...) addressed by the man's site. It's just similar to what's in St. John's book, is all.

Re:From his site (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12092039)

I've always interpreted that as the beast is an elephant which means that the mark is the republican party logo. Perhaps soon you need to be a member of GOP to do anything.

Re:Opt-out, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091980)

I was wondering if he ever read revelations.
Of course he did, and this is why he put it in his hand. Shock value to get attention.

Re:Opt-out, eh? (1)

Suburbanpride (755823) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091838)

Screw the tin foil hats, how about a tin foil glove? IIRC, can't RFIDs on products be somehow deactived when you leave the store? IF there was a way to turn it off and on, this wouldn't be so bad, but I wouldn't want something that has info on my all the time, even if it is encyrpted.

Re:Opt-out, eh? (1)

Nos. (179609) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091870)

Try reading the article. The RFID he has contains nothing but an 8 digit hex key... a unique identifier. It can only be read at most up to two inches away. The unique key is not something he is giving out or sharing (otherwise anyone could walk into his house once he has that part working).

Re:Opt-out, eh? (1)

shredswithpiks (867616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091949)

Indeed. Keep in mind, though, that this is really the beginning of such a technology. Who knows what the future holds for this... pretty soon it could have your DOB, blood type, address, favorite meal. All read at a distance of up to 2 miles!!! Or maybe not. Who knows?

Re:Opt-out, eh? (2, Insightful)

qwijibo (101731) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092081)

I keep seeing references to short distances. That distance is true for a typical receiver. But why would a bad guy limit himself to the off the shelf receiver? It's not even necessary to get the thing all at once since it's a static value. Much better radio equipment in the hands of the attacker seems like it would be all it would take.

Re:Opt-out, eh? (1)

saderax (718814) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091931)

Can really be tracked by a device with a range on only a few inches? I'd notice a guy following me around holding a reciever 3 inches from my hand...

Re:Opt-out, eh? (1)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091988)

Thats the craziest thing I've ever heard. Op-out? Sure if you have your surgery unit on stand-by. Wait till the start implanting it in your skull or trunk for "security reasons". Lets see your Op-Out then. Thank You, but I'll hold out for the Orwellian society of none.

I, for one.... (0, Redundant)

biggyfries (622846) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091702)

welcome our new RFID overlords.

Tattoo (5, Funny)

markmcb (855750) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091704)

I knew I shouldn't have gotten that bar code tattoo... Idiot!

Re:Tattoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091938)

Funny, but sadly I have one. I have my SSN barcoded across my right shoulder.

man that was a mistake.

more pron (1)

Artie_Effim (700781) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091705)

mang, if I could implant all my pron on some kinda of device, so whenever I walked my a teevee, cell phone, computer monitor I could project pron out of my brain. Now, that would me RFID technology I could live with.

That can only mean... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091709)

This person is the world's second real-life cyborg! Let's all stand in awe...

Re:That can only mean... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091875)

Every person to ever have an artificial limb, hip replacement, etc, would disagree.

I wouldn't mind it if... (1)

Moonlapse (802617) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091715)

it replaced the need for keys for your car, house, etc. Just wave your hand in front of the sensor, and voila!...you can get in and start the car, wipe your feet, etc. And of course, if it wasn't your car/house, laser beams would shoot out of the sensor.

Re:I wouldn't mind it if... (1)

cybersaga (451046) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092000)

And of course, if it wasn't your car/house, laser beams would shoot out of the sensor.

Don't you mean "laser" beams?

RFID tags can be faked (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091716)

So he has traded something unique and personal for something that can be read at a distance, copied and used freely by others. What is the advantage exactly?

Knives. (1)

Alaren (682568) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091892)

While you are correct in noting that he has traded something unique and personal for something that can be faked and read at a distance, unlike DNA, RFID tags can be removed--all it takes is something sharp (and a tolerance for pain, if RFID an implant). That's the advantage. You can escape and RFID chip, but you can never escape your own DNA.

Well, until we perfect retrovirus-style mutagenic gene therapy, but that's a topic for another time. d^_^b

Re:RFID tags can be faked (1)

MyIS (834233) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091910)

Heh, you don't think that your fingerprints can be easily copied? You must be wearing gloves all the time.

At least if this RFID tag is compromised, he can take it out and replace it with another. Try to do that with your retinas.

Re:RFID tags can be faked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091914)

Yea, a distance of 2 inches, Im pretty sure he'll know if youre copying it. Did you bother to read the article?

Re:RFID tags can be faked (4, Funny)

GreyPoopon (411036) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091960)

So he has traded something unique and personal for something that can be read at a distance, copied and used freely by others.

"At a distance" in this case is less than two inches, although I'm sure somebody will use a Pringles can to make a reader that works at up to 1 km.

The drawback is (5, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091717)

the store detectives in walmart keep stopping him because they think he registers as a case of beer.

Re:The drawback is (1)

conteXXt (249905) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091853)

Damn!!! Y'all's Walmarts sell beer?

That's it I am leaving Canada for Jesusland as soon as I take back my empties.

(yes I am kidding, mostly)

Re:The drawback is (0, Troll)

Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (142215) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091986)

Jesusland? Is that what you call the USA?

We've been (unfortunately) trying to stamp every mention or acknowledgement of God out of public life every chance we get for quite a number of years now.

Re:The drawback is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12092014)

yeah right. office of faith based initiatives ring any bells ?

Re:The drawback is (1)

mule007 (767116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092063)

Screw walmart..

Newfoundland is where its at, because we can buy beer at any corner store/gas station/etc.

Why make a trip across town when you just need to go down the street :)

Re:The drawback is (1)

mule007 (767116) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092094)

Oops... meant to attach that to the comment referencing "Jesusland"

Re:The drawback is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12092072)

Damn!!! Y'all's Walmarts sell beer?

That's it I am leaving Canada for Jesusland as soon as I take back my empties.

(yes I am kidding, mostly)


Actually, they sell coloured water disguised as "beer". Real beer starts at 8%...
--
AC

What Happens in the RFID gets demagnetized/errased (0, Troll)

Shaolas (872047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091719)

I can see locking yourself out of your home, car, bank account, office... Just think of the pain in the ass it is now to get a new or temp ID card at most places

Yeah right (4, Insightful)

metlin (258108) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091722)

an RFID tag system is easy to manage and opt out of

Hahaha! So you think - until it becomes absolutely mandatory and illegal for you to remove them.

Or -- imagine -- systems which would just not function without an RFID implant, or harm you if you do not have one.

What would you do then?

Get over it, you're slowly losing all the privacy you once had. It's one of the prices we are paying for certain advancements (and obvious advantages).

Whether or not you choose to have them - that would be your choice, at the moment. However, you really may not have the ability to make that choice a while from now.

Re:Yeah right (1)

Sperryfreak01 (855471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091800)

Yeaaaaa mann dont Let the MAN brainwash wou in to thinking that those chips are all kosher man. Thats what the MAN wants you to think. Wait never mind I am a lazy computer nerd who would rather have the lights come on when I walk in the door and dont care if the MAN knows about. Bring on the chips both potato and RFID.

Re:Yeah right (3, Insightful)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091801)

It actually doesn't even have to be mandatory to be practically impossible to opt out of. Just try doing things like flying or booking a hotel room or similar things without photo ID today - it's hardly possible.

Re:Yeah right (1)

igny (716218) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091864)

...is easy to manage and opt out of, whereas DNA sampling or facial recognition, well, isn't.

Actually, you can opt out of the facial recognition with our patented tin foil ski mask.

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091921)

Name one advantage of losing your privacy, include proof of said advantage. Without spewing the current White House rhetoric, please.

Re:Yeah right (1)

shredswithpiks (867616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092038)

Read: Hobbes's Contractarianism. You give up certain rights to be protected (actually... "escape the state of nature").

Re:Yeah right (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092056)

RFID tagged tools for disabled people, parents knowing where their children are, trackers which can help doctors see how their patients are doing, helping me finding my car keys - I could go on.

In fact, one of my classmates did a project on helping blind people get around doing their daily jobs using RFID tags. My school has a project called Aware Home [gatech.edu] , which is basically the idea of a home that can monitor the inhabitants - this combined with RFID tags can accomplish some pretty cool things.

Re:Yeah right (1)

thedustbustr (848311) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091925)

Or -- imagine -- systems which would just not function without an RFID implant, or harm you if you do not have one.

Doesn't take much imagination for me... Does ActiveX ring a bell?

What about jewelry instead? (4, Insightful)

PxM (855264) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091723)

Instead of going with a permanent implant, why not just get a stylish gold ring or watch or other thing with an RFID chip? I never take off my watch so it would give me almost the same functionality. Or maybe a false fingernail or something that is semipermament. This allows me to opt out without having to cut myself open.

--
Want a free Nintendo DS, GC, PS2, Xbox. [freegamingsystems.com] (you only need 4 referrals)
Wired article as proof [wired.com]

Re:What about jewelry instead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091784)

The thing is, they didn't even HAVE to cut him open...
Sure, it was actually rather simple. Normally, the RFID chip is implanted with a needle and syringe and is as simple as a swab of anesthetic, inject, band-aid, done. However, we couldn't find a needle 2mm in size in stock, so we resorted to a scalpel.
That looks like a pretty mean cut, I mean was it really so urgent that he couldn't wait for them to restock the appropriate needle? Sheesh.

Re:What about jewelry instead? (5, Funny)

pentalive (449155) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091817)

Stickem up! Gimmie your cash! Now!
Oh and I'll take that Nice Watch too.

Re:What about jewelry instead? (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091954)

Easy. Because then theft also becomes identity theft.

Re:What about jewelry instead? (1)

philntc (735836) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091965)

ah yes... hindsight, 20-20, and all that good stuff.

You should probably be standing by when he decides to extract the thing with a bottle of JD and dull thumbtack...

Easy to opt out = obsolete (3, Interesting)

Patik (584959) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091728)

If it's easy to opt out of a system of identification, then no one who is serious will use that system. If your gov't wants to track your movements (or whatever you think you're up against) they're not going to use easily-circumvented RFIDs, they'll use biometrics.

Tripods (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091896)

When I think "electronic implant" and "opt-out," I think Tripods. Remember the part where they have to cut an implant out of the kid's armpit without any anaesthetic?

Face recognition? (1)

Sukael (867041) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091743)

But that's what plastic surgery is for, isn't it?

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091746)

IN SOVIET RUSSIA, gorillas implant RFID tags in YOU!

Lesser of two evils? (1, Insightful)

ChaosCube (862389) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091747)

Now, I didn't read the article, but it seems to me that using a lesser of two evils argument isn't always the answer. Sometimes the right answer is just "no".

Until... (3, Funny)

varmittang (849469) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091752)

Until someone catches your RFID tag info, and steals your identity.....again.

Ideal... (2, Insightful)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091755)

Ideal for people that rather have their hand cut off and being stolen instead of only being stolen.

RFID (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091758)

Could be implanted in your butt too.

FAQ (5, Informative)

th1ckasabr1ck (752151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091760)

FAQ from his website [amal.net]

Q: can't they track you?!
A: no. the read range is only 2 inches max. even with a high powered reader, the chip itself does not have the capability to transmit farther than a couple inches tops. this makes it very difficult to scan my RFID chip without me noticing, and it's definitely not possible to scan it just by me walking by a sensor or something. It has to be pretty deliberate.

Q: what about GPS?!
A: no. there is currently no implantable GPS technology. none. there are very oversized watches you can wear that do support GPS tracking, but they look like a dick tracy watch on steroids.

Q: is all your information on there?!
A: no. as stated above, there is only an 8 character unique code.. like 48e9s18f for example. the chip is read-only (you can't change the data on it) and what it does or what that string of characters means depends on what system is scanning it. the system I'm creating will use that string to ID me and let me in my house, my car, or log me into my computer. if you have your cats or dogs tagged with a chip, they too only carry a unique code, and the animal's information is stored in a central database. hospitals are looking to use this technology in the arms of people to link a person's ID with their medical records in the computer system. The medical data won't, at this time, be stored on the chip itself as many fear.

Q: are you crazy?!
A: sure, why not.

Q: what about the mark of the beast!?
A: well, last time I checked, this chip wasn't required, I won't be killed for not having one, I don't need it to buy/sell things, and with billions of unique ID codes (numbers and letters), I don't see how each unique code could be calculated in some way to 666. bottom line, if this ever becomes an oppressive technology, required by some government, I can simply take it out.

- Revelation 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.
- Revelation 13:17 - And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
- Revelation 13:18 - Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)

Q: how big is the implant?
A: it's 12mm long by 2mm in diameter.

Q: why the hand, and your left hand to boot?
A: well, I reach for my car door handle with my left hand, and I can get used to opening my front door with my left as well. plus, being right handed, my left hand is far less likely to get crushed, mutilated, or otherwise damaged... and I'm sure granules of crushed glass, silicon, and other metals could cause health complications, aside from having a crushed hand.

Q: did you do it yourself?
A: hell no. a client of mine is a doctor and we traded services.

Q: is this a hoax?
A: come on, I have better things to do than make things up. Here's a quick video I took with my crappy pentax digital camera, showing basic operation. A friend converted it to a much smaller standard QuickTime file for me. Here's a large, high res picture of the implant site as of 03-24-2005 4:00pm PST.

Q: I have questions, how can I contact you?
A: you have to pass a test first. don't worry, it's easy. take the domain name of this website, remove the top level domain, replace the period with an @ sign, then type the name of the greek god of dreams, followed by the letters "inc", and then place a period and the letters "com". if you can figure that out, you pass the test.

Re:FAQ (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091950)

I think with a supercooled quantum detector and highly directional antennae the effective scanning range could be quite a bit more than two inches

This guy is a tool (2, Funny)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091761)

Hahaha when RFID implants are a normal occurance, I, for one, can't wait for the RFID Sniper Rifle

Deliver a SHOCKING suprise up to 500 feet away! Fun for the whole family

All Topic Responses Reply To Parent. (1)

realitybath1 (837263) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092037)

Parent post is the one true path regarding the article subject's incredible idiocy.

Commence paranoia! (0, Redundant)

DarthVeda (569302) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091764)

So where do I sign up for the mark of the beast and the rest of revelation to unfold...

Opt Out? (1)

pentalive (449155) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091770)

If you can opt out by removing the RFID device (perhaps with a knife) the your identity can be too easily stolen (perhaps with a knife).

On the other hand If you use something insintric, like DNA, and your identity gets stolen, you can't replace it. (Ways and methods of stealing a DNA based identity is left as an excercise for the reader)

The best solution is "NO BIG BROTER"

Re:Opt Out? (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091982)

Actually, the best solution is "NO BIG BROTHER"

Its only a matter of time before someone cuts this guy's hand off and robs his house

Why else do you think gov't officials in the movies stopped handcuffing briefcases to their wrists? In real life, thieves found it easier to saw off your hand than to saw through the cuffs. Now they use braided steel cable.

Implants (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091775)

Hopefully, it isn't labelled 666.

Unnecessary surgery (4, Interesting)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091776)

My first thought (as a diabetic) is, what a wonderful opportunity to die of an infection :)

Heh, he beat me to it... (1)

Havenwar (867124) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091785)

I've been thinking about that actually. It could be cool to have teh house "recognize" its owner and automatically tuirn on and off lighting and heat and alarms and stuff. and unlock doors.

Lots of cool appliances.

Now I just need an RFID tag, and that "do it yourself surgeon" kit.

Re:Heh, he beat me to it... (1)

EGaming (694500) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091885)

You're the reason America is so fat. I'm kidding, but really, when do we stop going the gym and start getting exercise from life (OFF TOPIC ALERT).

My off topic alert went on, so: My point is: do the "benefits" of being digitally identifiable really outweigh the insignificant seconds it takes to turn on lights or unlock your doors?

Re:Heh, he beat me to it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12092093)

I wonder how many magnetic strip sensors he sets off when he goes to the mall.

Not usings biometrics causes more problems... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091796)

"I'd rather live in one based on RFID tags than fingerprints, DNA, or facial structure; an RFID tag system is easy to manage and opt out of, whereas DNA sampling or facial recognition, well, isn't"

I can copy an RFID tag and be you on paper, anywhere as there's no tangible link between you the being and you the RFID tag.

I can also copy you, clone you, break the RFID system by causing so much noice that no one knows who the real you is, so you become anonymous again.

Also, why an opt out over a given ID? As far as I'm concerned, any government agency, police force, company etc. should possess the technology to ID me as I am. It is not my job to carry a card around for this purpose.

It is also not fair to use opt out technology as this gives birth to an underclass - or a superclass - those who don't have RFID tags. Currently, the only people that have RFID or equivalent tags are criminals being monitored. How do you rate them? Equally blessed and cursed?

Guys with implants (5, Funny)

jokestress (837997) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091815)

I hate that guys are getting implants. Sure, they look good, but they feel hard as rocks!

Is he going to have his body 0wn3d? (2, Funny)

ErikTheRed (162431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091827)

Hopefully he's not using one of those 40-bit Texas Instruments RFID modules that was cracked recently [slashdot.org] . Nothing like having some 5cr1pt k1dd13z pwn1ng your entire self...

Nipple Piercings? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091846)

The highlight of the article...
I like to look at female nipple piercing [bmezine.com]

Re:Nipple Piercings? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091882)

ya that was a fantastic link... made all the nasty hand pictures worth it

Wait for the standards! (1)

Undefined Tag (750722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091847)

Once Walmart has implemented its RFID protocol, Amal better hope that his ID doesn't overlap with what they're using.

"Thanks for shopping at Walmart. Um, my system shows that you have a toaster oven in your shirt?"

seems like overkill to me (1)

spirit_fingers (777604) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091851)

So in 6 months, when the novelty wears off and it becomes painfully obvious that having your toys greet you when you walk by isn't quite the chick magnet he thought it would be, he's still gonna have this dingus living under his skin. Far better to have an RFID dongle with an OFF switch you can just carry in your pocket. Then you can simply stash it in the drawer with your Palm Pilot and laser pointers when you get bored with it.

Given the CHOICE of Orwellian societies? (2, Funny)

StefanJ (88986) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091888)

Yeah, all this nonsense about freedom and autonomy and choice and privacy is whack.

May as well metaphorically roll over on your back and piss on yourself in the face of Big Brother now and get to feel all cool about being an early adopter.

I know, let's ditch human dignity altogether and get a big ol' cattle tag clamped on our ears! Let people know whose herd you belong to!

Stefan

I've always thought (4, Interesting)

kpwoodr (306527) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091904)

Instead of SSN's (here in the States, as most of Americans, I'm ingorant of the rest of the world) I've always thought we should all be assigned a GUID at birth. If you can't remember it, well, you're screwed. Mine just happens to be:

{EDB6154D-43E6-4707-B453-5FAB334B968E}

With it being globally unique (theoretically), it would be nearly impossible to memorize anyone's other than yourself (I struggle to remember my wife's SSN). So when the identity thief goes to the dealership to buy a car with your id, when they can't recite the GUID assigned to you, they are instantly arrested and displayed hanging from their toenails in the town square for all to see.

The End Is Nigh (0, Troll)

Bedlam Ballroom (807468) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091907)

I, for one, welcome our Anti-Christ overlords.

Its Hard to Opt-Out (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091912)

an RFID tag system is easy to manage and opt out of
...only if you're going to constantly scan for and remove RFIDs.

The tags themselves are so small that eyeballs are not a substitute for an RF scanner.

This, of course, assumes that the 3rd party RFID tags are designed to spec and will die when you send the kill command.

Even then, you have no way of knowing if your kill switch actually worked, or if the tag is hibernating & waiting for the right code to wake it up.

There's paranoia and then there's practical paranoia.
I heard that tinfoil gloves were the new fashion trend

So what? (1)

MudButt (853616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091913)

Real men get RFID tags that explode when they hit oxygen...

Right (1)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091919)

an RFID tag system is easy to manage and opt out of


Right. Just like Social Security.

-Peter

where are the religious zealots? (2, Interesting)

i_should_be_working (720372) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091924)

I understand the privacy watchdogs being concerned about stuff like this. But it amazes me that I don't hear more complaints from Christians. What with some of them claiming Judgement day is near, and soon we're all going to have the mark of the beast on our hand without which we can't buy stuff, fly or do just about anything else. Maybe I'm just not paying attention.

As for the article, the whole thing does seem pretty cool. And he talks about how it only has a range of a couple of inches, making it hard for someone to scan his info without his say so. That's a bit more reassuring. But then it also makes it hard to do all the cool stuff we see in the ads like pick up items in a store and then just walk out as your tag gets scanned.

There should be some kind of flap that blocks a scan, like a mini-faraday cage, that you can easily cover it with. Then we could get these things with long range, but still feel secure.

Re:where are the religious zealots? (1)

MudButt (853616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092066)

Religius zealots and Christians are not necessarily one in the same. I think most reasonable Christians don't need to comment because they realize that if a single moron wants to inject himself with an RFID tag, it's not the end of the world.

When Uncle Sam does away with credit cards and cash, and forces you to use your implanted RFID tag in order to get groceries... Well... Then it's time to talk about the end of the world. =)

How to get rid of chip (2, Funny)

spywarearcata.com (841806) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091928)

would be to microwave your hand. Don't do it too long though.

Orwellian (2)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091968)

"Given the choice of Orwellian societies,..."

Personally, I think I'd rather be part of the contingent that storms congress with an AK-47s then let it come to chips implanted in people's hands. Don't forget the 4th box of liberty. This guy is fubared. What's his statement? I'm gonna bend over now just in case my cellmate is gay?

Re:Orwellian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12092090)

Personally, I think I'd rather be part of the contingent that storms congress with an AK-47s...

Sure you would, kid. Sure you would.

It's a case of being careful what you wish for. How long do you think the geek crowd would really last if it came to real live actual Revolution? Those guys would be some of the first up against the wall. There's no cheat codes or God modes in a bloody revolt.

tinfoil (1)

jan.korky (710206) | more than 9 years ago | (#12091978)

... to protect his privacy ... he will just wrap his hand in tinfoil !

1. implant RFID chip in your hand
2. make tinfoil gloves
3. ...
4. PROFIT !!

Career tags (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091985)

Don't we all have these tags already implanted? How else will you know what type of career field or job you can work in? Oh wait, that's a different show.

Defeat Face Recognition for $2 - Guaranteed! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12091989)

For $2 you can defeat the most expensivie and sophisticated facial recognition systems available.

Its even future proof!

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I'm a pretty tolerant guy (3, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092002)

but I have to say it strikes as, well, stupid to think that you can "opt out" of having somebdoy read something that is implanted in your body and has absolutely no built in security measures at all.

Saying the read range is only two inches is to count on two things: (1) that the guys who might want to read your implant without your knowledge don't have access to better technology than you do and (2) they aren't clever enough to plant the reader where you will trigger it and won't notice.

The guy almost has the right idea though. An important quality of a system, if it is to have privacy, is the ability to know when you are being scanned and potentially tracked. This is why biometric face recognition systems, which are advocated by some people on the right, are actually much more dangerous than a national ID card, which is anethema.

Fooling facial recognition is easy... (1)

Mumpsman (836490) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092017)

Just grow a gigantic mustache/beard. Wear oversized glasses. Basically, wear a disguise. If you're running from the law (or need to exist on the outskirts of society) then you should have a good disguise handy already.

Personally, I'd rather put on a disguise whenever I needed to leave my mountain hideout and come into the city than walk around with an obvious scar/missing digit from having to cut out my implant.

DNA printing is more troubling, but having real-time alerts based on DNA ID would be very tricky. Unless Big Brother requires us all to use DNA as a universal ID for ATMs/Travel/Medical treatment. In which case I for one welcome our...blah, blah, blah.

As far as I'm concerned... (0, Offtopic)

Daytona89 (837518) | more than 9 years ago | (#12092024)

...they're all a bunch of fruitcakes. *rimshot*

RFID (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12092053)

I have a RFID implant as well, and am currently looking for others who have RFID implants or are familar with the programming of RFID technologies.
email me rfid@stncl.com
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