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Dayton, Ohio: Free City-Wide WiFi

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the approaching-normalcy dept.

Wireless Networking 350

_Bunny writes "The City of Dayton, Ohio announced a plan to make all of downtown a WiFi hotspot - and as of last week, the network is live. This makes Dayton the first Ohio city to offer free WiFi access. Approximately one square mile of downtown is now live, including Fifth Third Field, the Oregon District, Webster Station and RiverScape. The WiFi project is a public/private partnership not funded by taxpayers, and comes at no charge to the end user." (According to the linked story at WHIO-TV, the city is actually paying about $5,000 per year, with advertisers picking up the rest of the tab.)

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City Wide? (5, Insightful)

Nasa Rosebuds (867909) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135681)

I don't know what you mean by city-wide, but Dayton [google.com] is a big place and I doubt "within a 1-mile radius of downtown" really covers it all. Still, this is cool.

Re:City Wide? (2, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135733)

Cincinnati is planning the same thing, and having a neighbor that already has it running will probably push this city into finishing up. Wish they had it today, cause its beautiful outside!

That's nice, but the plans are just Pipe Dreams (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135774)

To get attention. There's no way the broadband industry will permit this. Check the massive campaign they've done (via Republican legislators) in Philadelphia [macworld.com] and Houston [chron.com] to prevent municipal WiFi there.

Re:City Wide? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135979)

Cincinnati is planning the same thing, and having a neighbor that already has it running will probably push this city into finishing up. Wish they had it today, cause its beautiful outside!


Wonderful! I've lived in Cincinnati 26 years, and we can't seem to fund Cincinnati Public Schools and we have an out of control police department. It's just swell knowing my tax dollars are working where it counts! I'll be in line to shut this fucker down.

Re:City Wide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135734)

RTFA this is the initial part, and later more of the city will go live.

Re:City Wide? (2, Funny)

EngrBohn (5364) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135777)

Hmm... I could scrap my cable modem and set up a Yagi pointing toward downtown Dayton. You think 20 or so elements would get me enough gain from Xenia?

Re:City Wide? (2, Informative)

Nos. (179609) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135831)

Its interesting that they went with WiFi - and thus end up with a pretty limited area. Of course WiMax equipment is quite ready for the masses, though it is being rolled out in some areas.

Re:City Wide? (0, Flamebait)

INetUser (723076) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135892)

I don't see why it's cool. I see it as the city assuming greater expense with minimal or no added value. I don't see the value, if someone could tell me what the great value for such a thing is.

In these tight economic times, why would a city consider it a wise move to spend tax payer monies on project like this just escapes me. How is this system going to pay for itself? What sort of economic advantages to the city and the population are going to be generated by this? Isn't this just like the all the tech stock over evaluations that lead to the great tech bomb?

Re:City Wide? (2, Funny)

jargoone (166102) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135991)

In these tight economic times, why would a city consider it a wise move to spend tax payer monies on project like this just escapes me. How is this system going to pay for itself?

For fuck's sake, at least read the summary...

The WiFi project is a public/private partnership not funded by taxpayers, and comes at no charge to the end user.

Re:City Wide? (1)

INetUser (723076) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136056)

OK fine. Sorry I miss-read it. But still. What are the economic advantages of such a thing? Sure, you can walk around and be connected all the time. Is that an advantage? I think it's just a gimmick.

Re:City Wide? (4, Insightful)

er_head66 (224488) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136065)

No, actually you are wrong. This is a great idea. For an extremely minimal fee ($5000), they are providing a useful service to the city centre: free connection for office workers, people in transit and local businesses. This is exactly the direction I think wireless internet should be taking, the idea of blanketing regions with free internet and then seeing if a 'killer app' sprouts up that can take advantage of it. When more cities implement systems like this, hardware developers will feel more comfortable included wifi in PDAs and gadgets, sercure with the knowledge that there is actual network that users can take advantage of. Think GPS with Wifi that will give you a local map. Think VOIP cell phones. Think about the whole city toting OQOs and being mobile.

In this case, I think it is very smart on behalf of the city to be providing this service and more cities should think about implementing similar plans.

Re:City Wide? (0, Flamebait)

KUHurdler (584689) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135907)

By "city wide", I think they mean:
The whole city is footing the bill.

Re:City Wide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135946)

If you'd ever been to Dayton you'd know that this is a big enough part of the city. Basically, they could set up an area this big in three point and call it "city-wide".

  1. Where they're at.
  2. By the courthouse (to get Sinclair in there)
  3. At 5th and Main (Anybody remember the fifth and main gang in the 90's? They could make a comeback stealing laptops)

I suppose this WiFi project is to get the laid-off auto workers something to do during the day.

Re:City Wide? (0, Troll)

mr. mulder (204001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135950)

Although this may be a step in the right direction, Dayton is Nowhereville, USA. We need a big city to jump on board, then others will begin to do the same. At this time, Dayton is not going to make a big impact. Think of it: pretend you run a big city. Free WiFi keeps rearing it's head and you beign to wonder if it's a good thing. Your next step isn't going to think of Dayton, OH...boy, Dayton is doing free WiFi, we should.

Re:City Wide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135975)

I don't know what you mean by "1-mile radius" (3.14 square miles), it says 1 square mile.
Smaller but still cool.

Living in France I can add that here, it's quite different : It's not big cities but small cities in the country that are sharing their access to their unhabitants (satellite access shared via wifi or Wimax mainly). They do it because the private sector ISPs don't want to pay the hardware for providing DSL-broadband access to low density area and because the ex-state-owned ISP is charging outrageous prices for it.

Oh me-oh Oh my-oh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135684)

Oh Dayton Ohio

History in the making (5, Funny)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135700)

This is a BIG event in history. Quite possibly the largest event ever. For the first time in history, there is actually a good reason to live in Ohio!

Re:History in the making (1)

nvrrobx (71970) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135761)

Yes, but it's still Dayton. ewww. :) Atleast do it in Columbus so you have somewhere to party.

Re:History in the making (2, Funny)

kc8apf (89233) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135793)

You mean the ice, snow, sleet, hail, rapid and large temperature changes, and lack of things to do weren't enough good reasons to live in Ohio?

Unless you want to do RF research, go to one of a few quite good engineering schools, or just really enjoy using snow chains, you probably want to avoid Ohio even if it has free, public WiFi.

Re:History in the making (3, Funny)

iamwahoo2 (594922) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135824)

You are not allowed to use snow chains in Ohio.

Re:History in the making (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135848)

or just really enjoy using snow chains

Ironically, even though it's snowed in fucking June here before, they made snow chains illegal!

Re:History in the making (-1, Flamebait)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135850)

People mainly screw and drink in Ohio. Unless you're a jesus freak, then you just go to church 8 days a week.

So you see there are plenty of things to do in Ohio, if you like fat white girls, cheap American beer or Jesus.

--
Poor taste doesn't make me a troll

Re:History in the making (1)

AJYeary (766010) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135954)

People mainly screw and drink in Ohio. Unless you're a jesus freak

You're not from around Ohio, are you? Here, even if you're a Jesus freak, you still screw and drink. :-p

~aj~

Re:History in the making (1)

AJYeary (766010) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136069)

Actually, come to think of it, I think the Jesus freaks drink and screw more than us non-Jesus freaks. :-/

Re:History in the making (-1, Flamebait)

bob670 (645306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135816)

Trust me, even free state wide wi-fi would not be a good reason to stay here, run far away and never speak those words aloud.

Re:History in the making (1)

AJYeary (766010) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135882)

Ah, it's so easy to tell who actually lives in Ohio.

Been here all my life... and I agree with ya!

~aj~

Re:History in the making (2, Insightful)

bob670 (645306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135923)

But if the job market keeps retracting like it has I won't be here much longer, can't afford to stay. And Cleveland is such a mess now and there seems to be no hope of it turning around yet a third time. Last one out of town shut out the lights...

Re:History in the making (1)

AJYeary (766010) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135984)

Ah. I'm still in college, so I haven't really had to deal with the job market yet. That being said, I'll probably be getting the hell out of here as soon as I can. Can't think of too much to do with a BSEE in Ohio... :-/

~aj~

Re:History in the making (2, Interesting)

ShaniaTwain (197446) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135842)

Well, that and the free porn on TV [clevescene.com]

Re:History in the making (2, Informative)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135914)

Well there is the Air Force Museum and Wright Patterson AFB where they keep the UFO that crashed in New Mexico.
Actually I have had to go to Ohio a few times and it was not that bad.

Re:History in the making (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135959)

I personnally spend at least 2-3 days out of the year in Ohio. http://www.cedarpoint.com/ [cedarpoint.com]

Re:History in the making (1)

javaxman (705658) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135985)

I just had to look up some basic demographics [internest.com] on the place. While the average income is about a third of what I'm currently making the average value of a house is maybe a ninth of what it is around here ( hint: it's stupid the prices here ), so... no! NO! I don't want to live in Ohio! Please, god, why?!?

Hopefully... (4, Insightful)

jessecurry (820286) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135702)

...this will become a model for other cities. I know how valuable my WiFi connection on campus and in my neighborhood has become. I would love to be able to sit downtown and know that I have internet access available.

Re:Hopefully... (2, Interesting)

Cruithne (658153) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135736)

I would too, in fact, I can definitely see making moving decisions in the future based on whether or not wifi is freely available in the municipality.

I just hope this isnt something we look back on and say, "I really wish that ended up working."

Re:Hopefully... (5, Insightful)

funk_doc (738861) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135998)

I'm surprised that anyone here at /. would want municipal WiFi, other than the ever eluding Free Lunch. Lets take a look at some of the problems that will arise:

Static IP and Port Forwarding. I'm sure that many of you forward ports through your router/firewall for certain applications (http, ftp...). I can guarantee that the municipality will not support this feature, and it would be impossible to get a static ip. Once the municipality monopolizes the market, there will be no competition from the private sector. You can't compete with free. While private companies in other areas offer new features, lower price and more bandwidth (they have to compete, remember) you will be stuck paying high prices (taxes) for a slow connection. While the idea of other people who don't use the internet paying for your BitTorrent downloads seems like a great idea, it will cost you more in the long run.

Censorship. Once this municipality has the power to decide what you can and can't view on the internet, do you really think that it would never be abused. Some religious group will donate large amounts of money to a campaign, and the politician will have to repay that group with censorship legislation.

Internet access may seem high right now, and it is. Competition is real, prices have and will continue to go down as features are being added. My Comcast connection used to cost $59/mo, now I have more bandwidth and it's only $20/mo. Government is never as efficient as the private sector, it will cost everyone much more to let the government supply WiFi rather than a private company. Also, when was the last time you heard of a government program living up to it's promise? Do you think that this would be any different?

PITTSBURGH?!@ (1)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136051)

I live in Pittsburgh, and there has only been one (way botched) group to do this kind of thing here. In the meantime, we deal with unshielded and untwisted wired. I have had a hard time finding those interested in doing a city-wide wireless network. There are a total of 4 interested people, and nobody has any cash to do this sort of thing!

I heard a statistic a while ago, that it costs less money to install a wireless network, than it does to supply the city with trashbags for the whole year.

Nice, but... (2, Insightful)

jargoone (166102) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135706)

It's cool that they're doing this, but the problem is, there's not really much reason to go downtown in Dayton. They just built the new ballpark, but other than that, it's really a pretty crappy place.

Re:Nice, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135773)

yeah i'll be damned if i'm going to take an expensive piece of equipment into downtown dayton. it has an unusually high crime rate for a city its size. sort of like flint, michigan.

Re:Nice, but... (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135800)

That's for sure. There are a few big businesses downtorn, but that's about all that's good. The rest is pretty ghetto. Luckily, nice suburbs aren't far away (if you like that sort of thing).

Re:Nice, but... (1)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135942)

Damn straight, I won't even get off the bus at 3d and Main with my Rio in plain sight. You never know, might start another riot.

Re:Nice, but... (1)

jessecurry (820286) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135795)

maybe this is a step in the right direction. If they manage to attract professionals to this area for lunch or other free times they might be able to clean up their crappy image. I've never been to downtown Dayton, but if it's as bad as you say they need to do something.

Re:Nice, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136019)

No. It's worse. The only thing in the area of the ballpark is Mendelsons [mendelsons.com] . If you're not into old electronics and closeout stuff, then there's nothing for quite a few blocks.

Parking Lot LAN party! (5, Funny)

Cruithne (658153) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135711)

Lets all do a parking lot lan party!

Pay 4 bucks to park 24 hours, sit in your comfortable car with a laptop, and game it up on a free network... if only wireless didnt completely and totally suck for gaming :D

Re:Parking Lot LAN party! (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135748)

Yeah, but you can do this without free wi-fi, just make a well....LAN(LOCAL area network). You can easily make a laptop a router or just buy a router with a decent broadcast range. Going through the internet seems a bit wasteful to communicate with someone who is 4 feet from you...

Re:Parking Lot LAN party! (1)

greed (112493) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135951)

You can do it free WITH wi-fi too, just set up an ad-hoc network, instead of one run through a access point (base station in Applespeak). You wind up with a LAN on wi-fi; no need for the 'net.

I'm pretty sure it will still suck for gaming, though; though maybe 802.11g won't.

(And if you're doing that sort of thing, don't turn on encryption--especially if you've got a card that has all the encryption done in software.)

Re:Parking Lot LAN party! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135787)

Sorry, I'll have to pass. My mom won't let me borrow her car. I guess I'll have to play from the basement.

Re:Parking Lot LAN party! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136004)

You're kidding right? Park your car in downtown DAYTON (!) and whip out your notebook to use for hours on end? Really? What the security forces alone will cost you could easily pay for several T3 lines into your home and a line of dancing girls to keep you entertained.

Re:Parking Lot LAN party! (1)

Peldor (639336) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136068)

I'm sure your parents would let you use the basement if you'd collect 3 bucks a head.

Advertisers? (2, Insightful)

crow (16139) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135718)

How do advertisers push their ads to the WiFi users?

Government spaces (4, Insightful)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135752)

most likely they get to advertise through other means, like stuffing fliers into mailings or hanging their company name on official web pages related to the project. Of course you have lots of little antenna around and the support crews can be branded as well.

Plus being government there are probably some under the table considerations like zoning issues, fees, and similar. Remember a government providing an incentive or discount is not spending any taxpayer money. That is similar to what Washington does by labeling as a program spending cut the simple fact of not increasing the allocation of funds to it.

Re:Advertisers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135832)

Usually when you hit a public "Hot spot" they require you to authenticate. When you do that they can push a pop-up window to you with advertising content (pop-up blockers may stop this); or redirect you to any site they want to. Thus the advertiser gets a little something out of the deal.

too bad.. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135721)

unfortunately, nobody actually lives in Dayton, Ohio.

Legal Issues... (4, Interesting)

timtwobuck (833954) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135725)

So what happens in any legal suit where there is unmonitored, illegal activity taking place over this network? Is the city liable?

Is the city monitoring the traffic to prevent kids under the age of 18 from viewing illicit material?

Will the RIAA come after them if someone uses this hardware to download illegal songs?

Re:Legal Issues... (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135804)

Is the city liable when drug dealers do business in a park?

Re:Legal Issues... (2, Insightful)

timtwobuck (833954) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135993)

The city is providing a service, something that doesn't exist freely.

In your analogy to the park, if the town didn't provide the park, then they would go into the street, or if the street wasn't there then they would go into the woods. So them providing "space" is not something they can avoid.

Now if the city was providing a large dome, under which there was no surveillance, no police, and nobody checking who goes in and out, and crimes are committed there, then yes, I would say they are liable for being negligent.

And the answer is... (3, Funny)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135868)

That's a good question. Answering it should help one or two lawyers put their kids through college.

Re:Legal Issues... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135939)

It's a common carrier. Why should it have to be routinely monitored for illegal or unethical activity?

Re:Legal Issues... (1)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135940)

"Users will connect to the Internet after acknowledging a disclaimer page that automatically appears from HarborLink."

Also, you can have free access, but still require a login for tracking of usage.

There are a number of wireless hotspots that offer free, or free for some ammount of time access, that still require a login.

Re:Legal Issues... (1)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135965)

Is the city monitoring the traffic to prevent kids under the age of 18 from viewing illicit material?

Given that its not the city providing the wifi, I'd say no. Probably "no" to all of your other questions. I'd also say that its not "unmonitored", or at the least not "uncontrolled". It probably strictly consists of a http proxy which adds whatever ads the advertising money that is paying for this service wants you to see.

Re:Legal Issues... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136066)

You know, for one second, only for one second I actually believed it might have been a good idea that might eventually work out for good. But reading your post brought me back to reality. :/

A little skimpy on the details. (2, Informative)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135740)

For $5000, it sounds like a real bargain. The question is, how do advertisers make money on this to pick up the rest of the cost? I'll bet its not too long before the advertisers bail, and the city ends up picking up the tab. Any bets?

Re:A little skimpy on the details. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135802)

For $5000, it sounds like a real bargain

Yeah, I would like to bargain a deal like that to be the vendor selling them the wrt54g and a 7db antenna at that price.

Re:A little skimpy on the details. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135813)

The question is, how do advertisers make money on this to pick up the rest of the cost?


"HarborLink will basically offer some advertising to the end user to offset the cost that would normally have been passed on to the user. This allows the service to be offered at no cost."


Run it through a proxy and stick their ads between every page you access? Maybe those annoying as hell floating ads that don't go away and blare through your speakers. Those are always fun.

COOL! (1)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135746)

This is cool as Next Month is the Dayton Hamvention. I bet there will be alot of MOBILE Echolinkers! :D

Re:COOL! (1)

ejort79 (654456) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135788)

Unfortunatly I think Hara's a bit too far out of downtown to take advantage of this.

Re:COOL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135826)

Aye. It is. Now, if it were Trotwood...

Oh, wait, Hara's kinda in the middle. Damn.

Re:COOL! (1)

LVSlushdat (854194) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135819)

Cool... IF they don't block the echoLink ports (5198-5199 and 5200).. I've tried echolink at a couple of hotspots I frequent, and no joy...

1 mile radius == entire city (2, Informative)

0kComputer (872064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135753)

I don't know if you've ever been to dayton (i went to UD), but I'm not sure I'd use the word "city" to describe it. I went to school there, and if I remember the Oregon district was tough to find because if you blinked at the wrong time you may miss it. Don't get me wrong, this is definately cool, but just keep in mind that Dayton isn't exactly a thriving metropolis.

Re:1 mile radius == entire city (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135792)

when were you in dayton last? 10 years ago. A lot has changed.

Re:1 mile radius == entire city (1)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135872)

Yeah, but you can still miss the Oregon District by blinking. You've got Newcoms, The Trolly Stop, Sloopy's, then, that's it.

Re:1 mile radius == entire city (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135961)

I kind of like all the bars to be spread out. I don't have to drunk drive through downtown to go pick up some sluts.

Advertising (3, Interesting)

The Amazing Fish Boy (863897) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135754)

I don't use hotspots, really, but anyone know how the advertising works? Is it like the old free-dialup schemes where you would always have an ad on screen? You would have to install a program to get access. If so, this probably wouldn't be compatible with Mac or Linux?

Can't find this in TFA, all I can get is:

"HarborLink will basically offer some advertising to the end user to offset the cost that would normally have been passed on to the user. This allows the service to be offered at no cost.

Re:Advertising (0, Flamebait)

NardofDoom (821951) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135922)

Make it really really free. Pay taxes and get free WiFi if you live or work downtown.

"Waaa!!! I don't have a laptop and I live downtown!!! I disagree with the use of tax dollars!!!"

Well, I didn't agree with the war in Iraq and I haven't seen benefits. Guess we should just disband the Army.

Mirrored links (3, Informative)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135755)

_Bunny [networkmirror.com] writes "The City of Dayton, Ohio [networkmirror.com] announced a plan to make all of downtown a WiFi hotspot [networkmirror.com] - and as of last week, the network is live [networkmirror.com] . This makes Dayton the first Ohio city to offer free WiFi access. Approximately one square mile of downtown is now live, including Firth Third Field [networkmirror.com] , the Oregon District [networkmirror.com] , Webster Station [networkmirror.com] and RiverScape [networkmirror.com] . The WiFi project is a public/private partnership not funded by taxpayers, and comes at no charge to the end user." (According to the linked story at WHIO-TV, the city is actually paying about $5,000 per year, with advertisers picking up the rest of the tab.)

OH NO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135763)

But this goes against the libertarian precepts! Internet-offering businesses in Dayton, Ohio will no longer be able to make a profit!

Dayton, Ohio will soon be razed to the ground by the invisible hand of the market, as It will surely be displeased!

Countdown in 3, 2, 1... (2, Funny)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135767)

For the randroids that will start bitching about this new network and how it prevents private companies from creating viable, competing WiFi networks in Dayton.

Are the telecoms asleep?? (3, Interesting)

the_rajah (749499) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135769)

I'd think they be all over this like a duck on a Junebug as they in some of the other cities where the municipality tried to provide this service and got stomped all over. Perhaps Dayton is more on the ball and managed to present a fait accompli. Good for them!

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain

Do the Right Thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135817)

It will gratify some people and astound the rest. - Mark Twain

Corpus Christi TX just did this (2, Informative)

alispguru (72689) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135780)

See "a herf="http://www.downtowncorpuschristi.com/wiki/DM D/WiFiCity">here. It's free for now and covers the whole downtown area.

Hangar 18 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135806)

It is part of a secret experiment involving alien technology in Hangar 18 (which is also in Dayton: coincidence? I think not!). By using the wifi, the user is actually allowing alien mind scans to take place through their mobile device. Since it isnt being beamed from the sky, a tinfoil hat wont help!

Not the smartest idea this... (3, Insightful)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135807)

...letting the government provide your electronic information access is like letting the tax authorities be your bank and accountant. What was that phrase I was looking for..? Oh yes, It's the fox guarding the henhouse.

AFAIC, it's for nothing unless you use secure tunnels and proxies to keep them from snooping on you. No, this isn't tinfoil hate time. This is plain old reality. I love my country, but I fear my government as I should. I can't see the same dingbats who can't get water fountains in the parks fixed within five years as being trustworthy with a cordless phone never mind my Internet access. No thanks.

Re:Not the smartest idea this... (2, Insightful)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135898)

Yeah, right.
Just like it is so stupid to let the government defend you, make laws, build streets, educate children...
its the FUCKING job of a government to provide basic sevices to the people. And now internet access is one of those

Re:Not the smartest idea this... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136006)

Make your mind up, are they so incompetent they can't run a park or are they smart enough to snoop your net access?

Still, I agree you should encrypt everything whenever possible on principle.

Yes, but (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135809)

Yes, but is Hara Arena [haracomplex.com] included? If not, will it be included by May 20th? [hamvention.org]

Re:Yes, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136043)

Memo to you: Hara Arena is really nowhere near downtown Dayton.
http://www.haracomplex.com/direct.htm [haracomplex.com]

so easy (2, Interesting)

rootedgimp (523254) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135849)

Yay! Yet another unsecure wifi point to pwn people from... Too bad I dont live in Ohio. Err wtf am I saying?

Anyway. I dont see what the big deal about this is, talk about simple shit to set up. Installed a dlink dwl7200 at a golf course the other day that will reach a lil over 5 football fields long that was only like 820$... Hrm yeah I was right:
802.11a/g (Full Power with 5dBi gain diversity dualband dipole antenna)
Indoors:
98ft (30m) @ 54Mbps
112ft (34m) @ 48Mbps
128ft (39m) @ 36Mbps
154ft (47m) @ 24Mbps
184ft (56m) @ 18Mbps
217ft (66m) @ 12Mbps
259ft (79m) @ 9Mbps
325ft (99m) @ 6Mbps
Outdoors:
367ft (112m) @ 54Mbps
820ft (250m) @ 18Mbps
1640ft (500m) @ 6Mbps


I must say though, this is an awful idea. Wireless internet has to be the best ticket out of jail for criminals since lawyers.

Troy, Ohio came way before Dayton even started (1)

illumina+us (615188) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135851)

Too bad they forgot to mention the efforts by Intense Custom Computing [iccomputing.com] and OceanLAN - Wireless Innovations [oceanlan.com] in Troy, Ohio (just north of Dayton).

Re:Troy, Ohio came way before Dayton even started (0, Offtopic)

sjaskow (143707) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135901)

http://www.iccomputing.com/ [iccomputing.com] has to be the most annoying flash-ridden page in the history of the web. I wouldn't buy stuff from them just because of that.

Booyaka! Home, sweet home (2, Funny)

AJYeary (766010) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135852)

Woot! It's not every day that my hometown is on the front page of Slashdot.

Although I wish my submission would've been the one that was accepted. Oh well, I can hope for the dupe :-p

~aj~

Similar Idea (2, Informative)

ziploclogic (765424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135885)

I'm working with local business in Downtown Parkersburg, WV to do the same thing. However, a few local business are already doing this for-fee. Anyone have any input regarding our stepping on the toes of these companies?

http://www.ezwv.com/ [ezwv.com]
http://www.wirefire.com/ [wirefire.com]
http://www.sequelle.net/ [sequelle.net]

I've never done anything like this so I'm curious if anyone has an opinion what precautions I should take to protect myself. We're trying to roll this out as quickly as possible as a movie begins filming in out humble town this month. We think we'll be able to draw a lot of attention to "ground-zero" for our network which just happens to be our Cultural Arts Center and the location for a film festival going on at the end of the month.

TIA

The big unanswered question... (3, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135899)

How many users can a free public WiFi network handle before it's saturated and becomes unusable?

Uhm.. ok (3, Interesting)

geoffeg (15786) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135924)

Have you ever been to downtown Dayton? It's not exactly a hot bed of internet users. There's very little residential and most of the businesses are most likely not of the internet-based variety. I think a different city would have benefited more.

Although there *is* Mendelsons. Where old stuff from the Wright Patt air force base goes to die.. a huge warehouse..

Re:Uhm.. ok (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12135995)

Mendelsons rocks!! If you are ever cursed by the holy devil and forced to visit the state of Ohio and cross through Dayton, it is imperative that one stops at Mendelsons. The place is a 5 story warehouse full of geek 'junk.' Definately an awesome place.

Re:Uhm.. ok (2, Funny)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136055)

I think a different city would have benefited more.

And Dayton should have funded this for some other city?

Advertising (1)

Armadni General (869957) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135958)

Partially paid for by advertisers, hmm? Let's see what ways they find to force themselves onto our laptops through wireless internet. I should get me an apartment in downtown Dayton. Set up my desktop, and an 802.11b adaptor, and take advantage of free internet for life! Though I suppose that is the point.

Too bad Dayton's dead (1)

tf23 (27474) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135983)

The city's been shrinking over the past umpteen years because of loss of jobs.

If you've been to Downtown Dayton, there's really not much left. One square mile is covered so far? There's not much more then that :(

they are just making ebay taxation easier... (1)

jim_redwagon (845837) | more than 9 years ago | (#12135990)

...one city at a time [slashdot.org] . Now the city/state will own the logs of all eBay access. ;-)

Seriously, that is great, i hope the ball on free wifi gets too big for the PACs/lobbyists/weasels to stop. I know Buffalo [buffalowifi.org] is ramping up free wifi as well. Just waiting for them to hit my neighborhood.

Koombayah, my lords, koombayah.. (1)

OmgTEHMATRICKS (836103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136040)

I, for one, welcome our new Dayton, Ohio WI-FI overlords and hope that they infect the planet. No, really, I do.

been there, done that (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136042)

even though in most categories, louisiana is behind, baton rouge has had wireless downtown and at LSU for at least a couple years. these 2 wireless networks combined cover 2 or 3 square miles...and yes, access is free to both. many municipalities are covering areas with large amounts of wifi.

what we need to watch out for is bills in many states that are aimed at barring municipalities from becoming isp's.

that clinches it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136057)

I have been trying to decide between going to school in dayton or toledo--this makes a good push in Dayton's direction.
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