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The Rocky TiVo-DirecTV Relationship

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the after-that-she-hardly-spoke-to-me dept.

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Thomas Hawk writes "Phillip Swann's TV Predictions is out this morning alleging that before dumping their TiVo stock last year, Rupert Murdoch's DirecTV had made a pass at buying a controlling stake in TiVo. According to Swann, 'TiVo's top management did not like Murdoch's offer,' and Swann alleges that this is why you had a fallout between the two companies. As an interesting aside, Rob Pegoraro over at the Washington Post was out yesterday warning people to not buy an HDTV TiVo, as DirecTV will be changing their high-def signal later this year and that if you bought the HDTV TiVo that you might not be able to watch network TV in high def. As an owner of one of those expensive high-def DirecTV TiVos, I sure hope this isn't the case."

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YAFM (Yet Another Fine Mirror) (5, Informative)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136139)

Mirrored links

Thomas Hawk [networkmirror.com] writes "Phillip Swann's TV Predictions is out this morning alleging that before dumping their TiVo stock last year, Rupert Murdoch's DirecTV had made a pass at buying a controlling stake in TiVo [networkmirror.com] . According to Swann, 'TiVo's top management did not like Murdoch's offer,' and Swann alleges that this is why you had a fallout between the two companies. As an interesting aside, Rob Pegoraro over at the Washington Post was out yesterday warning people to not buy an HDTV TiVo [networkmirror.com] , as DirecTV will be changing their high-def signal later this year and that if you bought the HDTV TiVo that you might not be able to watch network TV in high def. As an owner of one of those expensive high-def DirecTV TiVos, I sure hope this isn't the case."

Re:YAFM (Yet Another Fine Mirror) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136260)

'TiVo's top management did not like Murdoch's offer,'

I wonder what they didn't like about the offer. It seems to me that being the propaganda arm of the Republican party [outfoxed.org] is pretty profitable work.

When will they (5, Insightful)

RedElf (249078) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136159)

Standardize on one format or another so we don't have to buy a new TiVo like device every 6-18 months?

Re:When will they (3, Insightful)

jm92956n (758515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136197)

...Standardize on one format or another so we don't have to buy a new TiVo like device every 6-18 months?

As soon as planned obsolesence becomes illegal.

Re:When will they (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136924)

"As soon as planned obsolesence becomes illegal."
But realistically, I'd give it 5yrs after the law is passed.

Re:When will they (4, Interesting)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136220)

DirecTV is coming out with their own DVR that will be some kind of home entertainment thing. You'll have one "master" system that will do all the recording and then other systems hooked up to other TVs that will get the information from the master system. It will also allow streaming from your computer for music and pictures.

There is only two "formats" of TiVo for DirecTV, the normal ones that record the stream from the sat, and the new HDTV TiVo's that cost a grand. So I don't see why you would have to buy a new one every "6-8 months" as you suggest.

If you call them now and inquire about a DVR they direct you to the new home entertainment unit that will be coming out soon

Re:When will they (2, Informative)

jlaxson (580785) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136349)

And there are multiple types of streams from the Satellites, plus ATSC from the OTA tuner. DirecTV is rolling out MPEG-4 for new HD channels, which the current HR10-250 currently can't deal with. And you do have to buy a new one every 6-8mo if you're doing HDTV Satellite. I just had a HR10-250 (my first Satellite system ever) installed today. They sure as hell better offer a cheap upgrade path.

DirecTV's DVR is still vaporware (1)

McSpew (316871) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136862)

DirecTV is coming out with their own DVR that will be some kind of home entertainment thing.

Let's keep in mind that DirecTV has only announced a DVR system (to be built by News Corp subsidiary and fellow Murdoch-empire-stablemate NDS), but hasn't yet delivered a product, and the ship date continues to slip. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with, but if the current level of competition is any indication, TiVo will still have a superior UI and more robust scheduling system.

Re:When will they (3, Insightful)

taniwha (70410) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136264)

Actually I think they probably are - DTV was bought by Sky a while back, DTV's signal is just about the most non-standard satellite/cable signal there is out there (everyone else uses relatively standard transport streams, DTV use something of their own design). Sky on the other hand uses DVB (what just everyone else in the world but the US cable/TV guys use - including DiSH).

While I work in the biz (but none of sky/dtv/tivo) I'd guess that Sky are making DTV switch to DVB so all their gear is interoperable

Re:When will they (1)

Mysticalfruit (533341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136699)

Last time I checked, DTV's "non-standard" transport streams consisted of an encrypted MPEG2 stream...

Re:When will they (0)

anakin876 (612770) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136265)

Never, they figured out that forcing us into new hardware purchases will help them make the most money.
By THEM I mean the industry in general. If they all work together (or follow the same plans and end up together) then they make the most money - or so they think.

Kind of like the MPAA's strategy of rereleasing old stuff on new media, then claiming pirates are the cause of decreased revenue, rather than the more logical idea that they've used up a lot of the big name back catalog stuff and so people DON'T WANT as many cds as the RIAA thinks should be selling.

Re:When will they (3, Insightful)

baudilus (665036) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136274)

When people stop buying them every 6-18 months.

Re:When will they (3, Informative)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136288)

personally, I still own a pair of Series 1 DTivos from about 5 years ago and they still work great - no plans to upgrade any time soon. You do not HAVE to buy a new device of any sort every 6-18 mos, you WANT to. Do not confuse the two.

-Em

Re:When will they2 (0)

pcmanjon (735165) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136337)

" Standardize on one format or another so we don't have to buy a new TiVo like device every 6-18 months?"

Thats the whole point, and their whole business plan.

1) User buys TiVo
2) User buys TiVo again
3) User buys TiVo yet again
4) User buys TiVo again
5) User buys TiVo another time
6) User buys TiVo baby baby one more time
7) MegaProfit

Re:When will they (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136519)

Get Dish Network and you don't have to buy any of that junk. They just let you use it as part of your service. Why would you want to buy that proprietary junk anyways? Look what happens to people who do.

One way to fix it (0, Flamebait)

Fyre2012 (762907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136585)

Stop watching TV.
It's not like there is a single piece of value from it. You're just spending $n/month to waste time.

Re:One way to fix it (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136600)

You're just spending $n/month to waste time.

Pretty much the description of all entertainment-related spending, don't you think?

it's true (5, Informative)

skaeight (653904) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136175)

Directv is switching to MPEG-4 encoding this year with the launch of the spaceway sats. I'm sure there will be a transition period so your HDTiVo should work for a while, but there will come a point where you will have to upgrade.

A couple of good sites to find more info are:

http://www.dbsforums.com [dbsforums.com]
http://www.dbstalk.com [dbstalk.com]
http://www.tivocommunity.com [tivocommunity.com]

Re:it's true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136316)

Is DirecTV is just adding new HD channels using MPEG4 or is it really switching? In other words, if you're viewing HD on your HD TiVo today, will you lose any functionality?

Also, has DirecTV made any statements about paying any transition costs for new equipment? I recall some statement in the TiVo newsgroup [news] that DircTV has done this when necessary in the past.

They're doing both. (3, Informative)

raygundan (16760) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136441)

The first thing in MPEG4 will be HD locals, which you don't have now, so you won't really be losing anything. Up next will be the existing HD channels, and that's where you'll feel the first loss. The real kicker is when the full MPEG4 transition occurs-- this is where you're going to lose all your non-HD channels.

It's likely that they will offer you a replacement box (although this is just me speculating) for free or at a steep discount, since those of you with the HD-Tivo are highend customers. Unfortunately for the Tivo faithful, it won't be a Tivo.

Re:They're doing both. (1)

rw2 (17419) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136913)

LA and NYC both have HD local feeds. Many of us get access to those because we cannot get HD feeds from our local stations. So there are actually lots of people who could be effected by this.

Re:it's true (1)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136339)

I feel sorry for all the people who bought their directivo hd boxes for $1200. This is why I like cable's rent the box model, $7 a month. Can't go wrong.

Re:it's true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136596)

sweet, that means that Cable will kick it's ass HARD in HD quality.

that and VOOM refusing to move from a REAL hdtv format will make sure that directTV is still third banana.

No problem. (-1, Offtopic)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136177)

"Rob Pegoraro over at the Washington Post was out yesterday warning people to not buy an HDTV TiVo"

No problem. My wife and I don't have cable, satellite, or even a few basic channels (like ABC, NBC, etc). All our TV picks up is static, even with some $20+ antennas. That said, I think I'll take the article's advice and not buy an HDTV TiVo

Re:No problem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136203)

When will running water be installed?

Re:No problem. (5, Funny)

Gannoc (210256) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136280)

http://www.epa.gov/chemrtk/vccep/sponsor2.htm

pffft. Running water. All of you people out there with your runner water are just rotting your minds and bodies. In my family, we read books and discuss philosophy while making the 3/4 mile trek to our well. We don't use running water, and we're better people for it. Don't even get me started on electicity and your demon antibiotics.

Re:No problem. (2, Funny)

Surt (22457) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136640)

pffft. You lazy people with your wells. My family treks over 30 miles with 20 camels to the nearest river on a weekly basis to bring home the water we need.

Re:No problem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136682)

I thought you needed electricity to use a computer O.O

Re:No problem. (5, Informative)

pjbgravely (751384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136287)

I live in a fringe area with no cable. I can get broadcast channels using rooftop $150 antennas and signal boosters. I got a HDTV tuner and now can see of the channels crystal clear, that is when they are broadcasting, most aren't full time yet. I am only 45 miles from one city but the hills really block the analog signal, while the digital gets through. It might be worth your while to try next year when most will be digital.

Re:No problem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136570)

Interesting - over-the-air digital sounds like a great solution.

To hell with Cable and Satellite operators.

What brand/model of equipment do you have?

Re:No problem. (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136756)

I don't have cable, and the broadcast reception is pretty poor. Fortunately, there is a technology that dramatically improves the signal-to-noise ratio in more ways than just image quality; you can find out more on www.btefnet.org [btefnet.org]

HD Tivo is obsolete (5, Insightful)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136179)

As DirectTV is moving forward on changing to Advanced Video Codecs (AVCs) such as H.264 the current HD Tivos will become obsolete as they can only recieve the current encoding of MPEG-2. Sorry, but tis true. I also doubt that Tivo will make an update to the MPEG-2 HDs to recieve the new codec. Also, I have heard that DirectTV is moving to the DVB-S2 transmission standard from their current DVB-S. Extra information and/or signal strength, their choice.

Wikify:HD Tivo is obsolete (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136340)

As DirectTV [directv.com] is moving forward on changing to Advanced Video Codecs (AVCs) [wikipedia.org] such as H.264 [wikipedia.org] the current HD [wikipedia.org] Tivo [tivo.com] s will become obsolete as they can only recieve the current encoding of MPEG-2 [wikipedia.org] . Sorry, but tis true. I also doubt that Tivo will make an update to the MPEG-2 HDs to recieve the new codec [wikipedia.org] . Also, I have heard that DirectTV is moving to the DVB-S2 [wikipedia.org] transmission [wikipedia.org] standard [wikipedia.org] from their current DVB-S [wikipedia.org] . Extra information and/or signal strength [wikipedia.org] , their choice.

Re:HD Tivo is obsolete (1)

Splork (13498) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136668)

no HD TiVo software update to support the codec is possible. TiVo uses a hardware video decoder.

cablecard (5, Interesting)

alatesystems (51331) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136186)

This is why the CableCard [timewarnercable.com] is so important, so that multiple devices can operate like the company provided boxes. I have a cable company dvr, and it is really awesome, but if I wanted to use a brand name TiVo, I would be pissed at having to use IR blasters.

As far as I know, there's no cablecard equivalent for satellite boxes, but there should be. Ahh, the incredible balance between freedom and regulation.

Re:cablecard (4, Insightful)

wembley (81899) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136242)

The cable companies hate CableCard, which was federally mandated. They lose another revenue stream (hardware), and you have an interface they can't necessarily control and spam OnDemand ads onto.

With the repeated granting of 1-year extensions on the CableCard deadline, don't hold your breath waiting for it. We still don't have all the HD content that was FCC mandated...

Re:cablecard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136404)

Did the FCC mandate any HD content at all? I thought the transition required was to digital at whatever quality broadcasters wanted. And cable companies, since they aren't broadcasters, could continue distributing in analog or digital at whatever quality they wanted.

Re:cablecard (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136406)

And yet the CableCard may become a crucial differentiator for cable over sat, since cable customers will have a much wider choice of digital devices. So the government has dragged cable companies kicking and screaming toward higher long-term profits and competitiveness.

This is why you should not listen when someone tells you "the market will take care of it." "The market" as constructed by the U.S. stock market is only wise in the ultra short term.

Re:cablecard (1)

alatesystems (51331) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136555)

My company [twcablesport.com] already offers [timewarnercable.com] the cable card.

Time Warner seems to be a pretty good company all around. My internet access is awesome, the dvr is awesome, and they haven't ever gone up on my rates.

Re:cablecard (2, Informative)

hazman (642790) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136559)

Bzzzzt...

There is no FCC mandate of HDTV content. The FCC has asked nicely, with a cherry on top, that broadcasters produce and deploy HDTV in hopes that the 15% of the US population that currently receives their TV content from NTSC broadcasts would go out and get a shiny new digital TV that can recieve and decode the mandated ATSC digital broadcast signal and the HDTV feature in supposed to entice that portion of the population to do so.

Note: Those broadcasts are not required to be HDTV. They can be SDTV (480 interleaved @ 30fps) like current NTSC signals. EDTV (commonly 480 progressive @ 30fps) or HDTV (720p@60fps or 1080i@30fps). The broadcasters can choose to transmit 4 or 5 SDTV streams or one HDTV stream on their bandwidth allocation. It's their choice.

The FCC has mandated a transition to ATSC from NTSC. The FCC has mandated ATSC tuners in television sets for sale in the US. The FCC has NOT mandated HDTV.

Re:cablecard (5, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136643)

you are a fucking liar.

the Cable companies do NOT hate the cablecard. It's motorola, Scientifica Atlanta and Jerrold as well as other sattelite and Catv headend gear makers.

all of them REFUSE to follow any standards and intercooperate to ensure headend and plant lock-in on cable companies. If you are an all motorola cable company you haveto throw away EVERYTHING to use any SA gear. Motorola Loves that. SA does the same damn thing.

the cablecard gives up the monopoly of locking in the cable companies to a single vendor for their headend gear.

the rest of the world uses a single standard... the US has several that are bastardized by each equipment makes to ensure there is no interoperability.

so take your cabletv company hating LIES and go elsewhere.

if you want cablecard to exist then tell Motorola to quit fighting it as well as the other equipment makers.

if they ran the damned DVB standard like the rest of the world this all would be a non issue.

Re:cablecard (0, Troll)

DaveJay (133437) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136715)

>you are a fucking liar.

Aaaaaaand...you are wasting your time, because with a kickoff like that, why should I read the rest of your comment?

Re:cablecard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136886)

yet you wasted your time to reply =)

Re:cablecard (4, Insightful)

PepeGSay (847429) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136725)

Moderate parent up. He is dead right. Cable companies do not make any appreciable money on cable boxes. This is because the cable companies screwed up their provider model for the cable boxes and locked themselves into the few providers which they pay nearly $500 for a cable box. I worked for a cable company and this was one of the big reasons they supported the DOCSIS standard for cable modems which brought cable modems down into the $80 range, and possibly even lower now.

Re:cablecard (0)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136778)

By rest of the world using DVB... are you not counting South Korea, Taiwan and Argentina as part of the world? They, along with the US all use ATSC instead of DVB for terrestrial broadcasts.

Re:cablecard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136934)

not all of the usa uses ATSC and the american ATSC is not compatable with their ATSC.

herein lies the problem that lumpu was pointing out.

the american companies take a "standard" and bastardize it to make sure it only works with their crap. It's a bloody crime.

Re:cablecard (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136800)

I wouldn't say he is a "fucking liar", just uneducated. I modded you up because what you say is true but the opening is terribly unnecessary.

Re:cablecard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136929)

I modded you up because what you say is true but the opening is terribly unnecessary.

...and then you promptly undid your moderation by telling him why you moderated that post up. Way to go, sport.

Re:cablecard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136960)

Just out of curiosity, if you do have the CableCard slot, can you tell the Cable Co. to take their stinking box back(and it's ugly remote control)??

Re:cablecard (3, Interesting)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136276)

In order for that to work then the signal would have to be the same, and it's not.

I had a SA TiVo on cable for a while. I had the old style box with an IR Blaster and it worked fine, never missed a show or had any issues with it.

Most digital cable boxes can be controled with the serial cable from the TiVo to increase speed and reliablility.

The DirecTiVo units record the stream from the sats, so they are incompatible for that reason. But they give you PERFECT quality, something the SA TiVo's can't do.

The signals will probably always be different between cable and sat, so I don't know what they could do. I see a future where cable companies use different encoding for their streams, making the cablecard worthless anyway :(

Re:cablecard - where's TR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136436)

The cable companies are doing their best to make the cablecard standard irrelevant - by making sure that add-on services like PPV and OnDemand will only work with a rented box. So only those boxes will truly be able to integrate all services - and a stand-alone Tivo, cablecard or no, will continue to be a third-party mess of wires and IR cables and A/B switches if you want anything beyond vanilla cable service. They'll do anything it takes to avoid a level playing field.

Boy, I sure love how well we're served by the "free market" in the tech sector - where monopoly-weilding corporations are free to bang us over our heads with a hammer again and again and again, and we the market just take it because of the lack of viable alternatives. It's not even a liberal vs. conservative issue anymore. Where's Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?

This is Business news, really. (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136187)

I heard on the BBC WS this morning that LG and Matsushita had settled some stink about IP and plasma screens, which restricted markets in Korea and Japan, until settled, but didn't think it was 'News for Nerds' and was 'stuff that didn't matter'

With TiVo selling out to Comcast and pushing pop-up ads, I can't feel much positive about them anymore.

Foxblocking Tivo? (5, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136202)

With Murdoch taking over all of Tivo, we'll need a sort of different kind of Foxblocker [foxblocker.com] for this. I suggest gluing a couple of cable TV jacks to either end of a wooden spool, and inserting this in your incoming co-ax cable.

Re:Foxblocking Tivo? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136238)

Or we could insert a brain into your empty skull and you wouldn't be such a dumbass ideologue.

Re:Foxblocking Tivo? (2)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136291)

You thought I was serious? I personally find the whole Foxblocking notion to be hilarious: it is like sticking your fingers in your ears and going NYAAAA when someone says something you do not like. It is just as mature. Only this time, you are paying for them saying it (an apt comparison: those who block Fox are paying for getting Fox already).

Re:Foxblocking Tivo? (1)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136889)

going NYAAAA when someone says something you do not like

IF you're watching fox, its sticking your hands in your ears and going NYAAAAA when someone says something that isnt true.

Rules of Acquisition. (1)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136932)

"IF you're watching fox, its sticking your hands in your ears and going NYAAAAA when someone says something that isnt true"

Quark? Is that you? No one else I know who can put their hands in their own ears. I guess you get pretty sore when Neil Cavuto talks down your investment companies, don't you?

Re:Foxblocking Tivo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136270)

What about ABC blocking?
http://imdb.com/news/sb/2005-04-04/ [imdb.com]

This guy has a challenge about Fox blocking.
http://boortz.com/nuze/200503/03282005.html [boortz.com]

Answers to Foxblocking (4, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136318)

Where oh where is the conservative answer to this? The "RatherNot (tm)" CBS news blocker. The "Clean the Air America" radio filter. The "Ted Turnoff" CNN filter. And last but not least, the "Moving Out" web filter that blocks moveon.org.

Re:Answers to Foxblocking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136731)

The problem is that conservatives and science usually don't mix, so you won't be seeing anything like this from their side.

Re:Answers to Foxblocking (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136849)

Look at the ratings for CBS news, CNN and Air America, and you'll see that such technology is unnecessary.

Re:Answers to Foxblocking (1)

donutello (88309) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136945)

It's hard to find conservative people stupid enough to pay $8.95 a pop for something they could do themselves for free.

Times they are a changin... (5, Insightful)

barfy (256323) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136217)

I am an owner of the HDTV box, and yes it was expensive, and it has already been broken and replaced once ...

But it is the *ONLY* box that does what it does. 2 OTA tuners, 2 Satellite Tuners, both OTA and Satellite HD...

But Mpeg4 is coming, and this box has NO way to deal with it. And even as an owner of the box, I welcome MPEG4, as this will give me what I really want... Not "digital quality", but "quality digital". Replacing all of the boxes out there is cheaper than building and launching a satellite. HD will be where they go first, but eventually ALL DirectTV will be mpeg4.

I am sad that there was a breakdown between Tivo and DirectTV, because the combo *is* the best way to watch tv today.

There is some promise apparantly for us HDTiVo folks to replace our boxes with something "as good or better". We shall see when it happens. For now, I LOVE my HDTiVo.

Re:Times they are a changin... (3, Interesting)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136392)

But the new sat is for spot beams (locals). So if you have the new DirecTV DVR (the multiroom one that is not released yet), you'll be able to get all the same programming you can get now.

Can you record your OTA HD channels with the HDTiVo?

Re:Times they are a changin... (2, Interesting)

badfrog (45310) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136440)

Can you record your OTA HD channels with the HDTiVo?

Yes.

Re:Times they are a changin... (1)

Jaguar777 (189036) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136422)

But it is the *ONLY* box that does what it does. 2 OTA tuners, 2 Satellite Tuners, both OTA and Satellite HD...

My Comcast HD DVR has 2 tuners, and doesn't need an OTA setup since Comcast carries my local HD channels in their lineup. I only have to pay $5 a month, and when the box becomes obsolete I can swap it out for a new one.

Re:Times they are a changin... (1)

raygundan (16760) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136505)

Plus, I believe they are moving to the tivo interface down the road on the comcast hardware, due to Comcast's recent agreement with tivo. It won't exactly *be* a tivo, but the onscreen system will look and act like it, which is all that matters.

They may even be doing it with software upgrades on existing hardware, but if they aren't, you can swap out the box for a new one whenever you want.

If only I didn't hate comcast so much.

not much of an issue (1)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136647)



To me, this is another example where "early adopters" get burnt, but the masses will not even notice. I've owned my Tivo since something like 2001 and used it exclusively with analog cable. I suspect there are a lot of us out there. Probably more than there are HD subscribers with HD Tivos. I'm just not persuaded that I need HDTV and I'm happy to hold off on getting one until it's the cheap standard that costs the same as normal TV's cost now.

By that time, all this kind of stuff will be sorted.

seth

Pleasing customers (5, Insightful)

notthe9 (800486) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136241)

I doubt that they would make the devices like the article poster's non-functional too soon, seeing as people who buy stuff like that are often the kind of customer who would get the most pissed off.

Business before hate.

TV? What is that? (0, Troll)

Speak Forcefully (818082) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136243)

I don't own a TV, although I've heard of it. Isn't it some sort of mind-control device? Why would anyone want to own such a thing?

Must be like books (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136341)

' Isn't it some sort of mind-control device? Why would anyone want to own such a thing?'

I think it is like a book. Something that might damage your mind by providing it new information. I strongly suggest a shotgun, match, and gasoline to counter the threat caused by books and television. Hammers will work on radios, too. We can't let outside thoughts pollute our little worlds.

Re:TV? What is that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136387)

then why are you posting to a post regarding television.

all that free time you have, gotta fill it somehow, by being dumb on forums...

maybe you are just that weakminded to be brainwashed

Re:TV? What is that? (1)

ggvaidya (747058) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136405)

I don't know about you, but I own my TV for the articles :P.

Intenet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136565)

Deurrruhh.. what's the Internet? Duh is my joke funny hahahah?? I just sit in my log cabin in the woods and swing around on trees.

Re:TV? What is that? (2, Interesting)

Surt (22457) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136603)

To control people's minds, of course. Who wouldn't want to own such a thing?

Re:TV? What is that? (1)

DriveDog (822962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136714)

I haven't personally seen a Murdoch (except the one on A-Team) but I've heard they exist. Why would anyone want to send one their money?

Murdoch will ace you for money (0, Flamebait)

gmknobl (669948) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136303)

unless there is a widespread cry. Since his neo-con bent makes much of what he does profit-only motivated, biased and unfair, your best bet will be to get all other similarly equiped people together and scream your heads off that you will leave DirecTV entirely if they don't foot the bill for any tech changes that may occur on this front.

Even then, I think you have an uphill battle and will pay something, somewhere, to maintain your equipment. It may even be under the guise of providing you with "better" service/quality.

Don't say you haven't been warned.

conspiracy nut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136365)

' Since his neo-con bent makes much '

I think he is a Rosicrucian too.

' biased and unfair '

tell me about it. Rupert does not share our thoughts, so he is biased and unfair. I don't even think he is human.

Re:Murdoch will ace you for money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136415)

what in the holy hell are you babbling about?

in the english language we use these arrangement of words called a sentance. please attempt to use them in the future.

I love the smell of.... (3, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136453)

"...arrangement of words called a sentance. please attempt..."

I love the smell of self-immolating grammar nazis in the morning.

Re:Murdoch will ace you for money (1)

Hassman (320786) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136905)

At least the other poster use proper capitalization.

Re:Murdoch will ace you for money (2, Funny)

Hassman (320786) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136939)

*sigh* leave it to me to make a joke only to screw up and use the word "use" instead of "used".

Blech.

Yes it is true (4, Informative)

doormat (63648) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136311)

DirecTV will be moving to a 8PSK signal modulation system and to MPEG-4 for HD for the SpaceWay satellite system, both of which are incompatible with the HD DirecTivo. You'll still get the old HD channels broadcast over the older satellites (Ku band, QPSK and MPEG-2), but none of the new fancy stuff (Ka band, 8PSK and MPEG-4).

I can't wait for the new formats! (4, Funny)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136548)

I'm glad to see I'm not the only excited about this upcoming switch! I mean, sure,
Ku band, QPSK and MPEG-2 are alright. But
Ka band, 8PSK and MPEG-4 are clearly going to blow them all away! (At least until Ko Band, ¥PSK and MPEG-7 come out...)

Sweet Justice (0, Offtopic)

Sephiro444 (624651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136366)

Pardon my lack of sympathy for HDTV TiVo/DirecTV customers. But as a cable customer stuck for years with a SD Tivo while DirecTV customers have enjoyed their HDTV version, I am only too happy to offer a smug seat on the SDTV couch as we all wait for the day, someday, that the media companies get their act together enough that we can all enjoy more than 5 channels of decent HD content (maybe even time-shift it, too!).

I only fear TiVo might end up as an unfortunate casualty of this extended growing period.

I misread the title... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136417)

...and thought "What the hell does Sylvester Stallone have to do with TiVo?"...

Re:I misread the title... (3, Funny)

gclef (96311) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136624)

And I thought: flying squirrels? TiVo? Really?

Rocky & TiVo (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136439)

Bullwinkle: Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a TiVo out of this hat.

Rocky: That trick never works.

/Bullwinkle reaches in hat and pulls out MGM Lion's head.

MGM Lion: ROOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR!!!

Bullwinkle: Oops. Guess I need a new hat.

No surprise (4, Funny)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136462)

I'd have loved to be there during the meetings... one megalomaniac headstrong Brit and one megalomaniac headstrong Scot, in a room together, both thinking they're God. Wonderful. Odds on those two agreeing is so close to zero nobody's going to give you odds.

I get DirecTV HD, but there's no way I'm spending one dime on anything so close to bankruptcy [yahoo.com] as Tivo.

DirectTV TiVos safe (5, Insightful)

deanj (519759) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136483)

If you have one of those DirectTV TiVos, DirectTV is the outfit that sold it to you in the first place. If they change their signal, complain to DirectTV, not the TiVo.

TV (1)

PenGun (794213) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136620)

It's pretty simple. TV is a tool used by your corporate masters to condition your little minds into being complient tools of their consumer market.

As one who dosn't watch one regularly I am always astounded that people let _anyone_ treat them like the morons that the TV makes them out to be.

PenGun
Do What Now ??? ... Standards and Practices !

Re:TV (1)

Hassman (320786) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136871)

You mean you don't watch BSG? Bad! Bad!

Now, by Rocky do you mean.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136651)

Shaky business or..

Rocky Balboa vs. Apollo Creed?

future in mind with directtv and comcast (1)

w98 (831730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136660)

Wonder how a controlling stake from DirecTV would influence the ComCast deal... Or better, whether the DirectTV deal with sour *because* of the ComCast deal?

Either way, with a generic tv capture card and a spare linux box with sufficient cron jobs, I have my own digital recorder. No need to invest in TiVo ...

A little off topic. (2, Insightful)

sbirnie (717828) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136675)

I had DirecTv once, and although I like the picture quality of DirecTv better than cable, the cost of buying several new receivers and a new HD dish is just outrageous compared to renting a cable company box for $5 bucks a month, with the ability to upgrade whenever a new box comes out. They need to use the same model if they want me to switchback to them - which I'd be more than happy to do.

TIVO access to DirecTV (3, Interesting)

Digital Pizza (855175) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136676)

Does the FCC's new CableCard requirement help with DirectTV access at all? And yeah, I do know it's CableCard, but still...

Rumored Trade-in Plan for new HMCs (5, Informative)

ac3boy (638979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136769)

Here is the rumored trade-in plan to get the new HMCs. It is very generous but I hope they stick to it.

HMC Cost update.

Latest info:

Two base (HD HMC) units with different capacity.

1) 240 GB - $499 + $99 for SD units and $199 for HD remote units
2) 480 GB - $599 + $99 for SD units and $199 for HD remote units

Trade in Values:

HD-TiVo -> High capacity unit + 2 HD remote units
SD TiVo -> Low capacity Unit + 1 SD remote unit
SD Receiver -> Low Capacity unit and 1 SD for every three (3) SD receivers.
It's basically a price match. For example, if you have two SD TiVo's and an standard HD unit, you can obtain the High Capacity + 1 HD remote unit in exchange.

Values on units for trade in:

Standard SD Receiver - No value for HMC - 1 for 1 on SD remote units
Standard HD Receiver - Low cap HMC or 1 HD Remote unit
1 TiVo - Low Capacity HMC + SD Unit
2 TiVo - High Capacity HMC + SD Unit, or High Capacity + SD Unit

Dollar Value:

SD Receiver $99
HD Receiver $399
TiVo $199
HD TiVo - $899

skuzmier@greensboroday.org (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12136803)

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Funny this should come up (1)

kin_korn_karn (466864) | more than 9 years ago | (#12136874)

I am a very happy DirecTV customer, and had planned on getting one of their $99 DVRs in the next couple of weeks and switching my service over to use it. Should I put that off in light of this?
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