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Slashback: Electioneering, Blimps, Shuffling

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the like-a-rolling-stone dept.

Slashback 377

Slashback is back after a long absence being devoured by gnomes. Read on below for updates on past Slashdot stories about the continuing Washington election brouhaha, the FBI's latest hunt for server logs, Photoshoppified GIMP, and more.

Let's get the politics out of the way.

The Washington state Republican Party has been working to prove that the election of November 2, between Democrat Christine Gregoire and Republican Dino Rossi, was too fraudulent to be trusted, given the small margin of victory by Gregoire (129 votes), and they want a new election. Hundreds of alleged fraudulent votes (mostly felons, but also out-of-state, duplicate, and deceased voters), uncounted ballots, unaccounted-for absentee ballots, and illegally counted provisional ballots comprise the bulk of the GOP's case. The trial begins May 23, and the judge expects it to last two weeks. The hearing to decide the burden of proof standard will be May 2.

Unctuous politicians relive their student-council glory days:

Jackson West writes "As it stands, two versions of the Electronic Engineering bill (discussed earlier on Slashdot) presented to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors have passed their 'first reading.' This means both the first, unamended piece of legislation, and an amended version that will "specifically exclude web logs, forums, opt-in email lists and postings on general web pages." The Rules Committee will consider the amended bill on Monday, with a final vote on both bills on Tuesday."

How to get attention, part IIVVIVIVM.

SanLouBlues writes "On March 30th, Slashdot reported on the FBI request for the logs of several radical-leaning sites. The Washington Post has an article about the man who was responsible for the posts which resulted in the FBI request. He claimed to have killed a cop in several forum posts."

Now on to the fun stuff!

Matt Omori writes to say that GimpShop, the recently mentioned version of The GIMP hacked to feel more familiar to users of Photoshop, isn't just for Linux and Mac OS X. "Yes, it's finally been coded for Windows XP. After lots of hard work, some people devoted to a website, plasticbugs.com, have coded GimpShop for Windows."

To use it, you'll need Windows XP, GTK+, and a reboot. However, I'd also like to point out a BigSven's comment about the themeability of The GIMP; it would be great to see GIMPersonalities of all sorts -- and it sounds like this can be accomplished with some XML editing.

Still looks actionable to me.

MrToast writes "The iPodLounge is reporting that LuxPro's Super Shuffle is back, but this time with slight alterations. The Super Tangent, as it is being called, has a slightly different button area and also has new headphones. Otherwise it appears to be identical to the iPod shuffle."

(The SuperShuffle disappeared from the Web site, and was reported as a hoax, shortly after it was mentioned in mid-March.)

Let's close on some uplifting news. Vaeske writes with more on my favorite futuristic means of broadband delivery, region-covering airships. "GlobeTel Communications Corp announced that they will be showing their prototype of the Sanswire One on April 12th. This "Stratalite" as they call it, will float in the stratosphere at 65,000 feet and provide line of sight communications to approximately 300,000 square miles, providing two-way high-sped communication. This project has attracted many high-profile NASA engineers to leave their posts for a position with GlobeTel. The military has also shown interest and was present at the GlobeTel Summit."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160786)

woot!

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160798)

yar!

Let's get the politics out of the way (5, Funny)

Bongo Bill (853669) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160799)

Recounts: not just for Democrats anymore!

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160846)

Ha ha! I think we can all agree that most politicans will do anything to get (re)elected, my friend. :D

--Mr. Internet

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160849)

Retards: the Republicans still have a monopoly!

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (-1, Troll)

Mark_MF-WN (678030) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160858)

The American electoral system is getting pretty lame. A whole lot of asses need to be soundly kicked and then tossed in jail forever.

You're proablly trolling but in case you aren't... (5, Insightful)

CSMastermind (847625) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161133)

It's not the system; it's the people who are using it. Both the politicians running it and the general public who buys into it. Here's a summary of what's wrong :

The media
The media in the USA is insane. They're the single biggest lobby group in America today and not only that but they're also in the director's chair because they control what politician's get elected. Everyone should go look up a documentary called Orwell Rolls in his Grave. Now a day's, all the media is controlled by a few companies thanks to deregulation by the FCC. And they can use the media to say whatever they please, and put down the opinions of anyone who disagrees.

The politicians
Basically all the politicians are rich white men. They got their wealth from inheritance. If they worked for it then they got some real lucky breaks. George Washington in his farewell address warned of political parties and named them one of three things that could break the American system. And guess what...they are. Right now there are two major political parties. It's impossible for two parties to accurately represent the broad spectrum of views held by millions of people. What more these two parties have near complete control so you're either part of them or you aren't a politician.

The people
We're the ones who let this happen and what more most people voting don't vote based on issues. Those who do don't check their sources and are very poorly misinformed. It's almost exactly like Fahrenheit 451 (The Ray Bradbury book....so help me god if someone mentions Michael Moore) where people vote based on who looks best, without even listening to them.

End conclusion? If you want something to change do something about it, do it a little at a time, learn the facts, read your history books and be sure to watch your politicians closely.

Re:You're proablly trolling but in case you aren't (1)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161382)

I do learn the facts, I do read my history books, and I do watch my politicians closely.

And I'm getting the hell out of here!

Re:You're proablly trolling but in case you aren't (2, Informative)

pudge (3605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161386)

Basically all the politicians are rich white men. They got their wealth from inheritance.

One of the people in this race was a woman, and the other was a lower class guy who worked his way through college.

Washington in his farewell address warned of political parties and named them one of three things that could break the American system. And guess what...they are.

We've had two-party rule since Washington left office. If it hasn't "broken" the American system in the last 200+ years, what makes you think it will happen now?

We're the ones who let this happen and what more most people voting don't vote based on issues.

Actually, this was one of the most issues-oriented campaigns in many years in WA. It focused primarily on the size of the government budget and taxation.

But hey, don't let me dispel your illusions ...

Re:You're proablly trolling but in case you aren't (1)

Kell_pt (789485) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161450)

>> We've had two-party rule since Washington left office. If it hasn't "broken" the American system in the last 200+ years, what makes you think it will happen now?

Actually, it makes you think it took 200 years to subvert everything. Which is why gradual changes are so hard to detect. In the span of so few generations, so much has been lost.

Re:You're proablly trolling but in case you aren't (1)

_Hiro_ (151911) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161538)

We've had two-party rule since Washington left office.

But we haven't. Two-party rule has only been around since the Civil War or so. Prior to that there were between three and four electable political parties, depending on the year. I will have to re-research this again to find out exact names and years. (Whig springs to mind.)

Re:You're proablly trolling but in case you aren't (1)

CSMastermind (847625) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161540)

In this case you are correct about the canidates and the campaigns. But the parent to my orginal post said that the American system in and of itself was broke, my responce was a generalization of the system as a whole. As for the system not being broken for the past 200 years......well all I have to say is that I would argue that over time the two party system as degraded the electoral process. The vast majority of American presidents would not be able to get elected today. I'm not saying we should throw out the system competely, the point of the orginal post was that it's up to us to use it correctly.

Re:You're proablly trolling but in case you aren't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161465)

Michael Moore ROX!

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161522)

"The American electoral system is getting pretty lame. A whole lot of asses need to be soundly kicked and then tossed in jail forever."

Uh, yeah, because the USA has an exclusive on this area of politics.

Hey... (3, Funny)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160879)


Don't blame me, I accidentially voted for Pat Buchanan

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (5, Informative)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160906)

And if you lived here, you'd be getting reports on the *exciting* hijinks:
1) At least half of those "felon voters" who shouldn't have voted were juveniles when they were found guilty, and thus never had their voting rights stripped. Many of the others had their rights restored after serving their sentences.
2) Someone is challenging the votes of around 15,000 voters on the grounds that they are illegal immigrants. The evidence? Their last names don't sound American enough.

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160957)

It's clear somebody can't take a joke.

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (3, Interesting)

pudge (3605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161281)

At least half of those "felon voters" who shouldn't have voted were juveniles when they were found guilty, and thus never had their voting rights stripped. Many of the others had their rights restored after serving their sentences.

That's false. Some of them did turn out to be juveniles, yes, but it was not "at least half." Not even close.

Someone is challenging the votes of around 15,000 voters on the grounds that they are illegal immigrants.

I've never heard this, and if true, it has absolutely nothing to do with the GOP or Rossi. I met with the state GOP chairman last week, and we talked about the case, and it is in no way based on illegal aliens.

Nice try, though.

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161459)

Funny, though, that Rossi, who was calling for Gregoire to just step down and concede the race on election day, when the race tally was appearing to be very close and Gregoire was behind by a relatively small number of votes...

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161492)

Haha. Depends on what you're talking about. The totality of all the votes alledged to be improper, or the worst cases of certain small counties. In which case his allegation is close to what was recently printed in the Seattle Times.

The fact is, the republicans list of improper voters isn't much, if any, more accurate than the various counties lists of proper voters. If they can't get it right at this late stage of the game, with all the heavy lifting done by the counties already, their expectation that the counties, which aren't as well funded as the Republican party, should have been able to do better is ludicrious on it's face. To say nothing of the relative sin of counting the vote that should be invalid versus the discounting of a valid vote.

If Rossi by 49 is fit to be a duly elected governor, then that horrible bitch by 129 is at least as worthy. That said, they're both comtemptible douchebags. I can only assume both political parties are in silent agreement to make Washington so unlivable that all the transplants will be driven back home before they agree to resume sensible policies.

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (3, Insightful)

deserttrail (840755) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160998)

Lets not forget that Gregoire didn't win that slim margin until after the third recount.

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (0, Flamebait)

deanj (519759) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161140)

That's exactly what they were trying to do in Florida 2000. Recount, recount, and recount again until they get the result they want, and then declare victory. Oh, and act self-righteous if anyone questions what they did.

Frankly, I hope it stays the way it is.... and that the Governor-select up there drives the whole state into the ground. It'd serve 'em right.

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (2)

ahdeoz (714773) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161001)

Actually, it was a suspected fraudulent recount that gave the Democrat (Gregiore) the victory. An election official (you know, the ones who count the votes) was quoted as saying "third times the charm!" when his preferred candidate won after two other counts that had the Republican (Rossi) as winner.

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161187)

Actually anytime a Republican wins I think there should be a recount. I just can't believe a majority of the population is that stupid.

Re:Let's get the politics out of the way (4, Insightful)

pudge (3605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161301)

This has nothing to do with recounts. This is about challenging the result and having a new election, not recounting the past election.

GimpShop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160809)

Well, maybe I can figure out the Gimp now. then I can do cool things with my images.

Re:GimpShop? (1)

Arcane_Rhino (769339) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160904)

Does anybody know who designed Wilbur? (I think that is his name.) Having generally no need for either Photoshop or Gimp, I made the investment of time - back when it was more than a simple package install - to install and use Gimp based entirely on that awesome dog.

Re:GimpShop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160953)

Who created wilbur?

Probably Jimmac, if it wasn't him he is likely to know who it was. http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ [musichall.cz]

If you want to make an effort to find out for yourself you might check the gimp cvs logs

Re:GimpShop? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161391)

Wilber the GIMP [wikipedia.org] was designed by TigerT.

Mostly fellons (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160810)


that would be 10% of the US population [nationmaster.com]

Re:Mostly fellons (1, Insightful)

ACNiel (604673) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161065)

That would be more like 100% of the US population.

Everyone is a felon in the country. Convicted felons are a different story.

Re:Mostly fellons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161103)

bye bye karma

Re:Mostly fellons (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161545)

"Everyone is a felon in the country. Convicted felons are a different story."

Stupid copyright law!

Re:Mostly fellons (1)

CSMastermind (847625) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161191)

That graphic you linked is misleading. With the exception of Russia, the other countries listed are much smaller than the US and they all have a dissimaliar set of laws. What's no legal in the US may be legal in Europe and vice versa. Not to mention this may just show that the US is tougher on crime or that crime is more reported, as the page notes.

Like... (2, Interesting)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161444)

Do you mean anything like in Pakistan where there is no age floor for sex acts? Where you can legally sleep with 3 year olds?

Oh, sex outside of marriage is illegal, punishable by death though.

Re:Mostly fellons (2, Insightful)

conway (536486) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161394)

And 89.7% of all statistics are false

The stats you link to show that 23 million crimes were commited, not that 23 million people were involved! Ever think about the fact that criminals tend to do a _few_ crimes before getting caught? It's only for "large" crimes (murder, rape, etc.) is it likely that the crime was commited only once. If a guy is caught stealing cars, he probably has done it quite a few times. Finally, criminals tend to get out of jail, and go back to doing more crime. Again, more than 1 per person.
So, if each criminal does on average, lets suppose, 10 crimes, that's only 1% of the population!

Slashback is back! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160825)

But I got a -

"Nothing to see here - Move along"

Oh the irony!

first dupe! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160840)

kidding! it's a slashback!

Rejected Slashback: Allume's JPEG compression (2, Interesting)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160844)

That 20-30% JPEG compression system mentioned on Slashdot a while back [slashdot.org] is out. I'm getting an average of about 21% on all my JPEGs, except CMYK ones -- they don't pack.

Implementations are currently limited to a simple (Windows?) archive package (which doesn't appear to do any other file types any better than the previous version). I'm hoping for a Firefox image plugin and a Pocket PC port myself.

Re:Rejected Slashback: Allume's JPEG compression (3, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160913)

SLASHBACK:
That section of Slashdot.org that directly links Windows executables without warning.

Airships... (5, Funny)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160848)

On a completely un-related note; last night I had some kids convinced that the Statue of Liberty had those spikes on her head to protect NYC from Nazi airships during WWII!

Re:Airships... (3, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160943)

You are a dangerous man, Ima. Very funny!

Kids these days... We knew the airships were a "Great War" item, that passed (gas) with the Hindenburg.

More Offtopic... (1)

MisanthropicProgram (763655) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161038)

How the fuck am I going to spend ALL that time reading the links in the article and post before /. moves on to another?!? Hmmmm?!?!
In other words, sir, your post is just as on topic as everyone else's who really didn't read ALL of those links.

Link to GimpShop developers site (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160851)

more geekdom? (0, Redundant)

kloidster (817307) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160855)

Yet more levels of geekdom? How far does the rabbit hole go? I should have taken the blue pill...

Now for the fun stuff?? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160865)

You put that Rossi shit at the top because you think that's the fun stuff. Don't kid yourself Pudge, you'd open yourself wider than goatse if it would get Rossi in the Governor's mansion.

Eaten by gnomes? (1, Funny)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160868)

So we're reading gnome-vomit? Or did it return via the other end?

Re:Eaten by gnomes? (1)

RidiculousPie (774439) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160908)

No, miguel refused the patch ....

Fun stuff was best (3, Interesting)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160874)

GimpShop is cool. General themability of GIMP is even better. Of course, now that we've started down the path of making GimpShop people are going to whinge (don't they always) that GIMP doesn't have all the features of Photoshop. For those people I have two suggestions: code them, or pay someone to code them.

Stratalites are damn cool. You can use them like train stations to space. Get in your ground blimp, fly up to station 1. Get in your high altitude blimp, fly up to station 2. Get in your supermassive low pressure blimp and fly up to station 3. Get in your rocket and launch your ass into space.

Re:Fun stuff was best (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161029)

"that GIMP doesn't have all the features of Photoshop. For those people I have two suggestions: code them, or pay someone to code them"

I have a third alternative, quit being an OSS zealot and just buy a copy of photoshop if you really need it that badly.

Re:Fun stuff was best (2, Interesting)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161128)

And what if you need some feature that Photoshop doesn't have? You have to beg Adobe to code it for you or use a non-integrated third party tool. If all the Photoshop users would stop paying Adobe, pool their money and hire developers to make GimpShop do everything they want, it would be a better image manipulation program than Photoshop within a year. But people would rather be slaves to a proprietary software company than co-operate with each other. It's like unionisation. People would rather keep how much they earn secret in the hope that they're getting paid more than their neighbour than join together and demand better conditions for everyone.

I for one welcome... (3, Funny)

j14ast (258285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160881)

the return of our slashback overlords.

Anyone find it funny how the r's are trying this now? After all the hay they mad from the d's attempt?

Re:I for one welcome... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160921)

Anyone find it funny how the r's are trying this now? After all the hay they mad from the d's attempt?

What the hell are you talking about?

Re:I for one welcome... (1)

jimlau (581205) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161009)

I think he means r as Republican and d as Democrat. Took me a minute, too.

Re:I for one welcome... (1)

deanoaz (843940) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161020)

Let me take a stab at it. I think he means, "Does anyone find it funny that the Republicans are contesting a close election that they lost, even after the Democrats tried to do the same thing unsuccessfully."

That's funny (5, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160909)

When they thought they had won the Washington Governor's election, and the Demos complained about votes that should have been counted but weren't, the Repubs sneered at them as poor losers.

Re:That's funny (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161056)

That is because it is only WRONG when the other side does/wants $IT. :)

Re:That's funny (4, Insightful)

a whoabot (706122) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161280)

The new(?) Republican thing is double standards. They get away with it because the left(not saying the Dems are the left) is toothless and because they themselves don't see it as double standards but just one standard: whatever helps "the right" is good, whatever helps "the left" is bad. Everything's a war for them nowadays and everything's fair in war.

Re:That's funny (2, Insightful)

pudge (3605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161327)

Well, no, they didn't. They said the law should be followed. Which is exactly what they are saying now.

It's the Democrats who have changed their tune, previously saying the law should be bent to count every vote, and then once they took the lead, said the law should be followed strictly.

Re:That's funny (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161449)

Maybe that's the Repub line now. Definitely wasn't back when they'd thought they'd won the initial vote. I remember official releases that said things like, "The Democrats never consider an election final until they've won."

Re:That's funny (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161501)

No, Rossi very openly called for Gregoire to concede the race, for the good of the office, or whatever it was, when Gregoire was still behind and asking for a recount and all that.

Funny, also, in that Gregoire *DID* follow the legal steps...

I want to know the party breakdown on ALL contested ballots and voters.

Looks to me like the law *was* followed. It's sour grapes by Rossi and the Washington Republicans.

Get over it.

Move on.

Oh, I live in Oregon.

Is this really a surprise? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161451)

You DO realize that neither of them actually care about anything but winning, right?

Both of them adopt whatever standards happen to be most convenient at the time.

Sometimes, people refuse to do refuse to go along with this. But they don't appear end up in the party leadership because they don't win if they give in when they're wrong.

A Word of Warning (5, Informative)

ewhac (5844) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160931)

Adobe likes to think it has software patents on certain user interface elements of Photoshop. Macromedia was sued not long ago for emulating some of these elements in their Flash authoring tool (no idea how that suit resolved). Adobe are also litigious so-and-sos who are all too willing to harass people in defense of their intellectual "property".

So if Adobe feels even the slightest bit threatened by it, expect the project to receive a nastygram.

Schwab

Activist Judges (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160936)

I wonder what the Republicans will say about activist Judges is the WA case goes in their favor ....

I love the smell of hypocrasy in the morning.

GimpShop (0)

michelcultivo (524114) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160951)

GimpShop is the Photoshop aniquilator, every user that I showed GS wanted a version to Windows. And now let's see my IT Directory ordering to remove every PhotoShop on my network :)

I don't understand the acrimony directed towards (4, Insightful)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160952)

the gimpshop guy by the gimp developers: they chose a license for Gimp that allows this kind of modification, the guy was definitely within his rights to go ahead with it whether or not Sven (or others) would've preferred him to 'work with them and not fork things'.

Rather than focusing about his 'rude' modus operandi Gimp developers should notice the HUGE positive reaction to his modification by 'normal users': if instead of sitting in their ivory tower and going on about 'Gimp is not PS, we won't change how the UI operates' the Gimp devs listened to users who have been begging for a PS-like UI for YEARS there wouldn't have been any need for a fork (they've also been beggin for adjustment layers as well, but who knows when that will happen).

I thought that this is what Open Source is all about: if you don't like it, fix it and release it (like this guy did).

If he had 'followed due process' he'd just have been ignored because 'Gimp is not Photoshop'. This seems like a case of damned if you do (you shouldn't fork the gimp) and damned if you don't (you're not a coder, so you have no right to complain).

Re:I don't understand the acrimony directed toward (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161036)

This is what open source is about. Please don't let people's egos get in the way of making great software.

Re:I don't understand the acrimony directed toward (3, Interesting)

k98sven (324383) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161131)

they chose a license for Gimp that allows this kind of modification, the guy was definitely within his rights to go ahead with it whether or not Sven (or others) would've preferred him to 'work with them and not fork things'.

Noone implied he didn't have the legal right to do so. He's not violating the law, just unwritten rules of etiquette; It's polite to try to cooperate before forking.

The real issue here, which the poster mentioned, isn't that he forked Gimp, it's that it seems he may have changed parts which didn't have to be changed in order to achive what he did. That's doing a disservice both to both parties, since it'll make it more difficult to merge in his changes into the Gimp, and newer changes to the Gimp into GimpShop.

If he had 'followed due process' he'd just have been ignored because 'Gimp is not Photoshop'.

What exactly do you base this on? The Gimp developer who posted seemed quite open to the idea. There's a big difference between developers not considering requests from users and developers not considering an implementation of said request.

Re:I don't understand the acrimony directed toward (3, Interesting)

Speare (84249) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161152)

Okay, I'm not a fan nor a foe of the GIMP dev team, but I have to ask the same thing Sven said: how long do you think GimpShop guy is going to keep up a modern version of the modifications? Will there be a GimpShop 2.6? 2.8? 2.10? 3.0? If he has the personal dedication to rewrite GimpShop mods into each "end user" release of the GIMP for just a year, I'll be impressed. Itches fade and some itches aren't worth scratching for long, no matter how many other non-technical users are clamoring for the implementation.

Sven had some good points: if the GimpShop were done "right" with the architectural aids that the GIMP already offers, then the work would be a lot more manageable, and would end up being a long-life supported option, even after the GimpShop guy was no longer itching to keep it up. However, in the one little posting linked, Sven said he got no reply-- it's hard to tell if the GimpShop guy was ignoring Sven for past sleights and attitude, or just didn't get the messages, but either one is pretty believable.

I do think the GIMP development team needs to realize that as the premiere image editing package for the OSS world, that they have a certain obligation that comes with it. Whether you like it or not, you're a role model, so you should act like one. Listen to users who don't code. Do some of the heavy lifting for those users. Incorporate features which interested Photoshop users want. Spend time on doing a few more things in a slightly more leader-compatible way, and drive adoption forward. You can't expect outsiders to become developers in the huge GIMP codebase to scratch their itch, because the key people who have the key feedback are not coders. Approach your userbase with magnanimity and humility instead of arrogance and disapproval.

Re:I don't understand the acrimony directed toward (3, Insightful)

mr_burns (13129) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161220)

Yeah, even given the argument that they didn't want to have the gimp look like pshop, they should have at least fixed the interface they DO have.

It's BAD. I've been trying out GIMP on and off for many years and I always left with a very bad "if I have to work this way every day for the next X years until they fix it, I'll go totally mad" feeling.

The job of running this project is not to hold it back, it's to maintain and improve it. If you say no to things out of stubborn personal preference you're not doing your job: You're getting in the way of people who want to do the work.

I feel the same way about this fork as I do about x11.org. It was a long time coming.

Concentrate on features (0, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161345)

Personally, I have no problem with the GIMP devs focusing on catching up to Photoshop in the features department rather than the GUI department. This is one of the benefits of OSS--don't like something, do it yourself. If people want a Photoshop-alike interface, they have this. Now the other half of the puzzle is to get things like 16-bit...

Re:I don't understand the acrimony directed toward (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161362)

The problem is this feature of open source projects that everything has to go through some dictator before it goes to the users. The users should be decided which features and good and which features are bad. By that I mean that forks like this should be encouraged and users should actually support the software they choose so the best software has more resources.

Re:I don't understand the acrimony directed toward (3, Funny)

SiliconEntity (448450) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161222)

...because 'Gimp is not Photoshop'.

Shouldn't that be 'GIMP Is Mot Photoshop'?

Two-way high-sped communication? (3, Funny)

Motherfucking Shit (636021) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160962)

two-way
high-sped communication
Is that where one of the parties is on Ritalin and the other one is on Adderall? I'd hate to have to keep up with that conversation.

Re:Two-way high-sped communication? (0)

Elenthalion (854567) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161005)

HAHAHA! That's wicked awesome!

The bad publicity from the election lawsuit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160966)

will harm the Republican party in Washington far more than they will possibly gain.

This page was blatantly fabricated by theiving gno (1)

farquharsoncraig (711336) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160969)

Slashback is back after a long absence being devoured by gnomes.

Gnomes? I want to know what happened to my cadra of angry stealth attack llamas.

Insensitive clods.

If you want to fix voting problems, vote 3rd party (3, Insightful)

Future Man 3000 (706329) | more than 9 years ago | (#12160978)

Most of these problems are old ones, and the people you (may have) voted in last time have had ample time to make sure enough voting machines were out and triple check the felon lists.

The fact of the matter is that neither side really seems to care about fixing the system when they are in power. Perhaps they feel they have more important things to do than perserve voting integrity, but each side seems to gloat when it looks like the other is getting the short end of the stick.

It does not serve democracy to prop up this failed process; it doesn't even really serve the candidates. All it does is turn something that should represent the will of the electorate into an elaborate game of legal manipulation and shenanagans, and the only way to stop it is to have overwhelming and incontestible voting returns in 2006 for the Rastafarian candidates. Thank you.

Sloppy reporting (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12160983)

I started reading the Washington Post story about the cop killer, and everything seemed fine until one paragraph stuck out like a sore thumb:

His eyes are not a madman's eyes, but they look dilated, nothing but pupils, and when he turns to face you, he stares. In the antebellum courthouse, surrounded by sheriff's deputies, the stare is merely awkward. Imagine, though, those black eyes at night, with him holding a gun.

What the fuck is that doing in a newspaper? It's the newspaper's job to report the facts, not demonise him. Is this what passes for journalism in the USA these days?

Re:Sloppy reporting (2, Funny)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161148)

No, I'm Sloppy reporting. You must be new here.

Seriously, though, it's pretty weird that some editor didn't notice that paragraph. Imagine those black eyes at night, looking at a computer screen.

Re:Sloppy reporting (4, Informative)

murphj (321112) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161393)

By William Booth
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 4, 2005; Page C01

Section C in the Post is the Style section. This is a feature story, not a news story. Feature stories frequently contain prose like that. It would not have appeared in a story in the A section.

Re:Sloppy reporting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161508)

What does killing a cop have to do with the Fall 2005 collection or The Incredibles coming out on DVD?

It is nice to know that instead of moving what passes for journalism in the style section to the features, they are moving the features to the style section.

Re:Sloppy reporting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161469)

Is this what passes for journalism in the USA these days?

Unfortunately yes. I had to stop reading the sentence before.

He is tall, lean and jailhouse pale, and with his jutting chin and beaked nose, he looks avian, like a heron or crane, all angles and limbs.

Another bad novelist stuck in a a newspaper job. The photo included in the article is much more authoritative than this self masturbatory prose. The WP should move this idiot over to Slate as fast as possible.

Electronic Engineering? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161034)

Is it really that easy to confuse "Electioneering" with "Engineering"?

soundpolitics.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161059)

The definitive source for facts about the problems with the WA election.

Re:soundpolitics.com (1)

Bad Boy Marty (15944) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161379)

It seems to me that, by definition, "sound politics" is an oxymoron. And, even if it isn't, such a thing has never been attained in the history of humankind.

90.5 FM (1)

schnogg (12192) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161090)

And here in East Lansing, it is conveniently already tuned to NPR!

Re:90.5 FM (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161410)

Isn't that the station out of MSU in Ann Arbor? It's 104.1 where I'm usually at. (Muskegon and Grand Rapids). There's also 88.5 out of Grand Valley, but I tend to prefer Michigan Radio's coverage.

Not that we get much of anything out of it this week, with the spring membership drives on all the NPR stations. Ah well, it'll be back to normal tomorrow evening.

Eaten by Gnomes.. (2, Funny)

marcushnk (90744) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161141)

Slashback is back after a long absence being devoured by gnomes.
Lucky you don't use KDE.. Otherwise it'd be Dragons... 0.o

What the.. (3, Interesting)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161160)

5 minutes ago:
Slashback: Electioneering, Blimps, Shuffling
Posted by pudge on Thursday April 07, @10:20AM
from the like-a-rolling-stone dept.

Now:
Slashback: Electioneering, Blimps, Shuffling
Posted by timothy [monkey.org] on Thursday April 07, @10:20AM
from the like-a-rolling-stone dept.

Who is this mysterious pudge? And why was he quickly and quietly removed as the author?

Re:What the.. (2, Informative)

rzebram (828885) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161252)

I believe pudge (Chris Nandor, http://sourceforge.net/users/pudge/ [sourceforge.net] ) is one of the Slashdot programmers (if you look in the slash CVS you can see he has commit access). As for why he was removed, your guess is as good as mine.

Re:What the.. (3, Informative)

pudge (3605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161411)

I started the article and handed it off to timothy, who then forgot to change the ownership to himself. And as I've edited hundreds of stories on Slashdot, I am not that mysterious ...

Pudge, Get Over It (5, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161167)

When Pudge returns for a SlashBack, only the "Republicans wronged" phase of the contested WA governor election gets press. When their candidate was ahead by a statistically identical margin, after the first count, Pudge didn't seem to care how small it was. Even though the Republican margin, 46 votes out of 2.9 million, 3x smaler than this Democrat's final "small margin". And all the Republican rhetoric was "it's over, we won", and "Democrat crybabies just get over it". Especially poignant was the Republican candidate's public speeches demanding the Democrat stop the challenge, for "the good of the state". Now that it's months later, the good of the state demands a Republican challenge. Apparently, the good of the state of Washington originally demanded that hundreds of Seattle (Democratic) absentee ballots be rejected, including that of Seattle Councilman Larry Phillips [nwsource.com] . Isn't Pudge just a Republican partisan hack, sliding promotion of his side's weaselly campaign into the first story of a SlashBack peppered with other news of broad appeal?

Re:Pudge, Get Over It (3, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161456)

To be fair, Pudge is the only conservaive editor on Slashdot. On a site where any random Bush joke, no matter what the topic, gets an upmod, calling someone who falls on the other side of the fence a "partisan hack" simply because you disagree with him is just as bad as if I called you a partisan hack for being a Democrat (don't know if you are one, just using an example).

This kind of stuff is normal for political parties, because political parties are nothing more than big lobbying groups. Like the RIAA and other lobby groups, they try to push legislation through that helps them, they sue people to push agendas, and they brainwash people into thinking a certain way. In that way, they're also very similar to most organized religions.

That's why I'm an independent and refuse to affiliate myself with either party. Not only because I happen to hold views from both sides (which confuses their lackeys...both sides have accused me of being partisans for the other side), but because people don't realize how fragile their own perceptions are, and when you fall in with a group, you tend to start thinking like them [wikipedia.org] .

I should say that there are good Republicans and good Democrats. Like any group, a lot of the individuals you'll meet are just good people. But the leadership and the hardcore types live in their own world of good guys and bad guys, and their perception of the world is colored by their group's agendas. I think this nation would improve greatly with the abolishment of the two-party cabal. At the least, a vocal third-party (and not Ralph Nader) could affect a lot of change for the good and keep both parties on their toes. Just my $0.02.

Re:Pudge, Get Over It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161477)

where does the story say the Republicans were wronged? i think you're reading way too much into it. isn't a trial to nullify a governor race sortof a big deal? what would YOU have written the story to say?

Re:Pudge, Get Over It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161548)

And, it would be great if the judge does rule a new election should take place, that new candidates must run as well, ala a new election. Give it a two-step process: 1) open election in Sep-Oct range, 2) run-off election between the top two vote getters, a month or so later. And Rossi and Gregoire can't run.

let's get the noise out of the way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161202)

this noise is important, because...?

why not waste your time thinking up a fucking 5 mark system to tell people that attempt posting stories to your site why they've been rejected.
start with the sad story similar to adequacy.org's that sounds oddly similar to the politicians song:
it's my god damn boys club; you go to hell.

maybe I should sign up and subscribe to this site so my voice can be heard; and not so anonymous.

bring yer cowerdus talk over here; boy

Sorry, but this was a couple of years ago. (3, Informative)

ptbarnett (159784) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161293)

"On March 30th, Slashdot reported on the FBI request for the logs of several radical-leaning sites. The Washington Post has an article about the man who was responsible for the posts which resulted in the FBI request. He claimed to have killed a cop in several forum posts."

The Washington Post article was about a murder committed in November, 2002. The subsequent postings were six days later. The FBI is likely to have been disappointed if they just now made requests for server logs, after two years have elapsed.

I remember this particular incident, because I got a call from the FBI about it. The perpetrator sent his "manifesto" to an email address associated with a website I no longer maintain, apparently from an outdated list. The address got so much spam that I was simply using incoming messages to train SpamAssassin's Bayesian filter, then dumped them into the bit-bucket.

But, someone else forwarded it to the FBI (as I would have done, if I actually received it). Since my contact info was available for my domain name, I got a call from an agent who was trying to find any link between the recipients and the sender.

mod 04 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12161401)

fly They looked inventing excuses sales and sO on, you loved that

Killed a cop (1)

conway (536486) | more than 9 years ago | (#12161464)

The slashdot blurb is quite misleading. If you RTFA, you notice that not only did he "claim to kill a cop", but made a specific reference to a specific murder of a specific cop. (Who actually was killed).
Now, whoever posts info in internet forums admitting he committed a specific murder, with details, is so stupid that he probably deserves what he'll get.
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