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AOL Enters the VoIP market

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the gutsy-business-moves dept.

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freitasm writes "AOL is entering the VoIP market with its new service entitled 'AOL Internet Phone Service'. The service will be available in 40 cities around the US and offer integrated IM presence indicator, voice/e-mail and features like Call Waiting, CallerID. As a bonus current AOL members wil receive a wireless AP when signing-up for the service."

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All my friends and family use AOL VoIP (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165032)

It's so easy, even my dog has a line!

HAHA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165037)

first post

pwned by GNAA

lol i can phone!!1 (5, Funny)

Dougie Cool (848942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165039)

If I get woken up at 6am by a phone AOLer wanting to know my ASL I'm going to sue.

Re:lol i can phone!!1 (5, Funny)

mysticwhiskey (569750) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165176)

Scenario: 3am at recipient's residence.

(Ring, Ring)

Recipient: Hello? (rubs eyes)
Caller: Hi, did I wake you?
Recipient: Whaaa...?
Caller: I'm using VOIP, and it costs me next to nothing!
Recipient: (blinks)... you A-Hole!
Caller: Yep, AOL - how'd ya guess?

Re:lol i can phone!!1 (2, Funny)

spidereyes (599443) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165414)

What about 11:00PM on a Friday night with Candy and her friends new web cam?

Knowing AOL (5, Funny)

Bazunok (868402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165045)

It would be really easy to use, but you can only call other AOL users on AOL's proprietory phones.

Re:Knowing AOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165267)

It would be really easy to use

Yes, the phones come with only 1 button.

Hmmm.... (2, Funny)

XFilesFMDS1013 (830724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165370)

Yes, the phones come with only 1 button.

Don't you think that'd be a little comlicated for the average AOL user? Maybe just have them talk into the air...it'd still be better then AOL's commercials.

Re:Hmmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165388)

*complicated

Re:Knowing AOL (2, Informative)

cypher073 (864209) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165463)

Actually, no...the phone service works with any POTS phone connected to one of the router's rj11 ports. It's a very simple setup: connect the router to your existing broadband modem or router, plug in the phone, turn everything on. Simple as that. Phone calls can be placed to any other phone connected to the PSTN, of course.

AOL enters VOIP market? (0, Redundant)

RaffiRai (870648) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165056)

Me too!

It's as easy as point-and-click (5, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165068)

So, when the phone rings, will it play "You've got telephone"?

And why isn't this thing being released in September?

Re:It's as easy as point-and-click (2, Interesting)

dfn5 (524972) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165100)

So, when the phone rings, will it play "You've got telephone"?

More like "You've got telemarketers". I believe VOIP is not covered by the do not call list.

Re:It's as easy as point-and-click (3, Informative)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165589)

More like "You've got telemarketers". I believe VOIP is not covered by the do not call list.
Can you back up this statement? I have Vonage, and I'm on the do not call list, and it works -- haven't gotten a sales call in months.

Retro-ringtone (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165105)

You've got Ahoy Hoy!

Re:Retro-ringtone (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165233)

You've got Ahoy Hoy!

You've got the 4:30 Autogyro to Siam!

Re:It's as easy as point-and-click (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165285)

And why isn't this thing being released in September?

Well, technically, it's still September, isn't it? [wikipedia.org]

Re:It's as easy as point-and-click (3, Informative)

mekkab (133181) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165337)

And why isn't this thing being released in September?

Golf clap for the Eternal September reference. [catb.org]

Re:It's as easy as point-and-click (1)

WD_40 (156877) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165411)

I wonder if AOL will be the first service to politely terminate your calls for you. "Goodbye!"

Now that would be a service I could get behind.

Emergency services (5, Interesting)

WeirdKid (260577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165084)

Notice that 911 isn't listed in the services offered. AOL's service likely suffers from the same deficiency as Vonage in this respect. Vonage's TOS says that if you cannot clearly state the nature of your emergency and your location, emergency services may not be dispatched. I'm sticking with my land line until the VoIP providers get the 911 thing figured out.

Re:Emergency services (4, Informative)

thing12 (45050) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165119)

At least Vonage will direct your calls to a local 911 dispatcher (based on the location you provide). Most VOIP providers don't even go that far. They're testing e911 service in Rhode Island... apparently it's working quite well.

Re:Emergency services (2, Funny)

feloneous cat (564318) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165482)

They're testing e911 service in Rhode Island... apparently it's working quite well.

I KNOW... it only took EMS 36 hours to get from R.I. to Texas!

Re:Emergency services (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165131)

You can have your cake and eat it to. Keep your landline only for 911, they are required to provide it whether you have telephone service or not.

Re:Emergency services (1)

turtled (845180) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165173)

Yes, my telco Verizon has the option of 911 even without phone service. I use Vonage VoIP and I have it setup to forward to my local 911 office. As for the Verizon always on for 911, I would need a special phone, ala batphone, just for 911. That wouldn't work... in an emergency, I would be like, where is the special Verizon red phone? It would be like looking for the remote when the big game comes on...

Re:Emergency services (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165211)

Why wouldnt it work? I am assuming that youre going to use a regular phone and not a portable for the 911 phone (portables aren't so effective when the power goes out), so it should be on the same place on the wall, or in the basement, or wherever you put it, everyday. It is not going to hide itself under the couch, or find itself in the back left pocket of the jeans you wore three days ago. It really should not be difficult to remember.

Re:Emergency services (2, Informative)

WeirdKid (260577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165626)

Forwarding to the PSAP on record isn't the same as knowing your specific location. This would be important if you couldn't speak.

From the Vonage Terms of Service:

2.10 Automated Location Identification
At this time in the technical development of Vonage 911 Dialing, it is not possible to transmit identification of the address that you have listed to the Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP) and local emergency personnel for your area when you dial 911. You acknowledge and understand that you will need to state the nature of your emergency promptly and clearly, including your location, as PSAP and emergency personnel will NOT have this information. You acknowledge and understand that PSAP and emergency personnel will not be able to find your location if the call is unable to be completed, is dropped or disconnected, if you are unable to speak to tell them your location and/or if the Service is not operational for any reason, including without limitation those listed elsewhere in this Agreement.

Re:Emergency services (2, Informative)

fiji (4544) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165143)

I dunno how AOL will handle this, but e911 works with Vonage... sort of.

The deal is that you tell Vonage where the "phone" is and they will send that information with the 911 call. The trouble occurs if you move the adapter and forget to tell Vonage and then call 911.

Then there is the uglier question about VoIP reliability vs. Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS). Lots of things need to work in order to place a VoIP call (power for the adapter, power for your internet infrastructure, the cable/DSL, etc.). However, if you used to have a phone line into the house, that line can still place 911 calls. So keep a plain old phone connected to it for emergencies (hell, paint it red too!).

-ben

Re:Emergency services (1)

WeirdKid (260577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165219)

Interesting -- was not aware of this. But can someone explain how 911 works (on a landline) if there is no dial tone?

Re:Emergency services (3, Informative)

Desert Raven (52125) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165671)

Who said there was no dial tone?

Most states require phone companies to maintain dial tone for 911 on any line connected to them.

So, there is a dial tone, you just can't dial anything except 911. Dialing any other number will get you a nice recording telling you the line is not in service.

Re:Emergency services (0, Troll)

stecoop (759508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165777)

Most states require phone companies to maintain dial tone for 911 on any line connected to them.

It's good that most states have such a law. It will help when the backhoe operator hits a gas line right after he cut through the telephone line. While the flames are shooting twenty feet high I will not worry as the mystical powers of the law keeps 911 working.

Re:Emergency services (1)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165625)

The deal is that you tell Vonage where the "phone" is and they will send that information with the 911 call. The trouble occurs if you move the adapter and forget to tell Vonage and then call 911.
It's no different than a cell phone. If your phone is movable, you're going to have to tell the dispatcher where you are.

Shhhhhh! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165153)

AOL users use AOL VoIP.
AOL users don't have 911.
AOL users die.
No more AOL users!

It's genius.

Re:Shhhhhh! (1)

SwordRaven (857787) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165236)

Excellent!

Re:Emergency services (1)

Nos. (179609) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165247)

In Canada, the CRTC [crtc.gc.ca] just ruled [crtc.gc.ca] that VoIP providers must provide Basic 911 within 90 days of the ruling (the ruling was Apr 4/2005). Well, if you get down to the meat of it, some will have to provide Enhanced 911 services, but I don't know of any VoIP providers that would fit this category. Most will need to provide Basic 911 service:

Basic 9-1-1 service connects the caller to a central call centre which then connects the call to the correct emergency response centre, at which point the caller must identify his or her location in order for an emergency response service to be dispatched

Re:Emergency services (3, Insightful)

stecoop (759508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165253)

I think the 911 situations are starting to look more like FUD. Larger municipals have had 911 starting back in 1968; however, a large segment of rural America didn't get 911 finalized until late 1990s (had to look that up on wikipedia [wikipedia.org] ). I remember where I lived it did get come about really late too.

Get this; America now has 911 since 1990 but there is a small problem with addresses. In rural America a lot of places don't (didn't?) have simple things like a street sign so for the last few years a names has had to be labeled to all streets just for 911. So the lets look at it this way; we have survived a large time without 911 as we know it and 911 dispatchers haven't been able to send emergency assistance to the right location; yeah were working on it but if there is an emergency you'll figure out something even if you don't have a phone.

Re:Emergency services (1)

bitingduck (810730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165343)

Reminds me of one time when I lived in Minneapolis-- I heard a *lot* of sirens and went out to look. There were firemen going door to door all up and down the street. Apparently a little kid had called 911 and our area didn't have 911e, and the kid didn't know his address, so they sent a huge number of trucks-- I looked from the corner and there was a truck on every corner for ~4 blocks in every direction. I found this out from a fireman when he was asking if we knew which houses had little kids.

Re:Emergency services (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165345)

sacreligeous swine! 911 is the very foundation upon which civilization is built. If you go one second without access to 911 you will be attacked by terrorists, rapists, and hoodlums! You will fall down the stairs, drown in the tub, and drink a bottle of poison!

Nobody can live without 911!

Re:Emergency services (1)

Drooling Iguana (61479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165575)

At least you'll be protected from the Terrible Secret of Space.

Re:Emergency services (1)

smilheim (804292) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165348)

How I deal with 911 and VOIP. We run asterisk in our office. We are using Broadvoice but still have a POTS line to fall back on for 911 and a few other services. Our dialplan was easily setup that if 911 is dialed the call goes out the POTS line.

Re:Emergency services (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165432)

Actually, according to what I read:

"On the menu are a package of standard calling features; centralized call management features like the Web-based Dashboard; integrated instant messaging presence awareness; safety and security features such as Parental Controls and Call Blocking; full enhanced 911 (E-911) coverage for participating markets; 24/7 customer care; and AOL 's voice communications products including AOL Call Alert, AOL Voicemail, AOL byPhone, and AOL Talk"

Looks like it will be supported as long as the local market supports it.

Open source (-1, Offtopic)

Ckwop (707653) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165086)

It's absolutely essential that we have an open source Voice/IP application that implements the security properly.

I don't trust commerical companies to keep my calls encrypted and not sell my conversations to the government at the first available moment.

We need P2P software designed by the community to provide us with some real security.

Simon.

Re:Open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165443)

and not sell my conversations to the government at the first available moment.

In Soviet Russia, tin foil hat wears you!

Ring Tone for AOL (0)

mdrechsler (711856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165087)

"You've got a phone call" Hopefully these use there swell anti-spam technology to block telemarketers!

spam? (1)

imrec (461877) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165406)

Yikes, I hadn't thought about the whole spam/telemarketing clash that might happen with VoIP. Would I start getting 100 calls a day about what a great mortgage rate I could be getting? I like the idea of low cost phone plans.. but that might be a little too far. I suppose I'm thinking this because I really have no idea what VoIP will be like. And... now my comment is totally off-topic...

AOL Is the beginning of the end (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165090)

AOL users should be rounded up and gassed in camps. AOL users are destroying America just as the Jews destroyed Germany over the last few centuries. AOL is the beginning of the downfall, and its users must be eliminated.

Re:AOL Is the beginning of the end (0, Flamebait)

RagingChipmunk (646664) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165157)

Not even remotely funny asshole.

Re:AOL Is the beginning of the end (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165196)

Yet another tool of the Jewish media........

Can't you wake up and see the lies that you've been fed? You need to realize what they're doing - the Jewish lies continue and erode the very base of this country.

Re:AOL Is the beginning of the end (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165169)

Shut up Nazi fuckface.

Re:AOL Is the beginning of the end (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165259)

Its good to see that you've been blinded by the White supremacists.....you must live in Alabama or something.

Impossible to implement! (5, Funny)

yotto (590067) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165108)

This will never work, because you can't talk on the phone in ALL CAPS.

No, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165200)

AOL's VoIP includes a volume enhancer that makes everything a SCREAM.

In other news... (1)

AnonymousJackass (849899) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165224)

AOL today announced thier new line of telephones to complement their VoIP service. The new phones include special buttons such as 'caps lock','LOL', and 'WTF'. The phone will be nearly impossible to disable. As an added bonus for those especially devoid of friends, if you hang on the line long enough, a random person will start offering you cheap meds and pr0n.

VoIP is very popular... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165111)

That's all we can hear about these days.

I'm wondering if regular phone companies have "the fear" or not... they should!

These articles forget to mention, however, that latency (jitter) is very important for VoIP QoS.

Are AOL and others going to shape their traffic in order to put their own VoIP traffic before the others?

If not, how do they expect to meet the QoS requirements?

latency != jitter (2, Informative)

mamladm (867366) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165513)

Latency is not jitter. Latency is when packets get delayed. Jitter is when packets arrive out of order.

Latency is not generally a problem. Cell phone services tend to have rather heavy latency. Typically you don't even notice latency up to about 500 to 600 ms.

Jitter can be a problem if out of order packets aren't dealt with properly, that is, in most cases, they should be discarded, or more precisely, the longer they have been overdue the more likely they should be discarded for VoIP.

However, there are codecs that can deal with jittery connections and as long as your service provider is using open standards where it is up to the end user equipment or client software to negotiate the best codec for a given connection, you generally don't have to worry about jitter impacting your call quality to the point where you would notice.

Already in Canada... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165114)

AOL Canada (oxymoron?) already has something like this:

http://www.totaltalk.ca/ [totaltalk.ca]

Re:Already in Canada... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165205)

USA != America

Re:Already in Canada... (0)

mesach (191869) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165220)

How is it an oxymoron?

Canada is in North AMERICA!

Sheesh, stop thinking the U.S.A is the only America, There is North America, Central America, and South America, All of which can be on AOL and still be considered right.

Now as for AOL UK, that to me sounds wrong, I mean we had the Boston Tea Party and that whole revolution thing, but yet they want to use some CRAPPY internet provider from here? Sometimes I think I'll never understand the Brits, but then Saturday comes and I get another episode of Doctor Who to download.

Re:Already in Canada... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165761)

Call a Canadian "American" and tell me how genteel his response is. Then offer a Labatt drinker an "American beer" and see how kindly he accepts the offer.

Congratulations on learning one definition for "American."

And 911 calls? (2, Insightful)

Silver Sloth (770927) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165121)

Doesn't VoIP have issues with 911 calls. I know they can be resolved but I don't see anything in the article about this. Will the average AOL user be aware of the problem? I somehow doubt it as the AOL user base is not known for it technical awareness.

All the bells and whistles will be great until the first time the house catches fire, dad has a heart attack, or there's bad guys in the cellar!

Re:And 911 calls? (1)

mzwaterski (802371) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165147)

Assuming that you don't travel with your phone (just as you can't travel with your landline) there are no issues. The VOIP phone can announce your location to 911. If you do travel, you have to update the service to tell it where you are. Why do people have so much trouble with this versus cell phones? Am I giving people too much credit in their logic skills?

Re:And 911 calls? (0, Flamebait)

happymedium (861907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165159)

...great until the first time the house catches fire, dad has a heart attack, or there's bad guys in the cellar!

For using AOL...they deserve all of the above.

Re:And 911 calls? (1)

ps_inkling (525251) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165340)

The ability to dial 911 is the only boogy-man the phone company can raise against VoIP.

How about this -- look up the phone number to your fire department and police department. Post the numbers next to the phone. In case of emergency, dial the appropriate number. It's what we did before we had 911 service.

If you just can't live without 911, get an old cell phone and use it to dial 911. No contract required.

what is the 911 problem - power? (1)

fantomas (94850) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165599)

What's the problem with 911 calls? is it that the VOIP phone requires power, whereas standard house phones will operate even if power is out in a house? or is it something to do with what numbers can be dialled?

The facts of the matter (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165132)

Goatse.cx (usually pronounced as "goat sex", often truncated to goatse, often referenced by one of its current URLs such as goat.cx, and occasionally called goatsex) is one of the most infamous Internet shock sites. Its front page contains a sexually explicit picture, hello.jpg, featuring a man wearing a gold ring on his left hand (and nothing else) manually stretching his anus and rectum to a diameter roughly equal to the width of his hand. Below the anus, the man's dangling penis and testicles are visible. The site is commonly linked to by Internet trolls in order to shock unsuspecting users with the repulsive image.

As of January 14, 2004, the domain goatse.cx is no longer online. However, many mirrors of the site are still available and the image itself has been posted at many other websites. The most common mirror was goat.cx; however, goat.cx is as well no longer online as of February 22, 2005. As of February 27 of that year, the domain goat.cx, like goatse.cx, had been suspended by the Christmas Island Internet Administration, however the domain now appears to be back online, showing only the message "be right back." Christmas Island Technology Corp has registered goats.cx as of May 24, 2002 with obviously nonexistent name servers, presumably in an attempt to prevent another mirror of the original goatse.cx.
Contents [showhide]
1 Etymology
2 Identity of the "Goatse Man"
3 Organization
4 Geographic location
5 Parodies and tributes
6 External links
[edit]

Etymology

The intended meaning of the site's name is not known for certain. It is commonly interpreted as a word play on the phrase "goat sex", although no goats are involved anywhere on the site.

It has been claimed that prior to hello.jpg, Goatse.cx contained a picture of a woman being anally penetrated by a goat. This is wrong, however. The alt tag on the image, "stinger", actually comes from the EFNet #quake channel. The image itself was discovered on a webpage called members.xoom.com/stinger (it was removed and placed in members.xoom.com/_stinger). Goatse.cx was created by a #quake member expressly for the purpose of displaying the image.

The Internet Archive only lists versions as far back as March, 1999, at which point hello.jpg was already being used.

Others believe that goatse is actually an acronym for "Guy Opens Ass To Show Everyone," with the usage of the ".cx" TLD being purely coincidental. However, this is likely a backronym.
[edit]

Identity of the "Goatse Man"

A series of pictures by a man identified as Kirk Johnson contains the precursor images to hello.jpg and some following. At this point, it is highly likely that Kirk Johnson is the "Goatse Man." Kirk Johnson is a regular poster to the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.male.anal, among others, and a rather simple analysis confirms this; it is unlikely that there is another practitioner of anal stretching with the same mole on the upper-left edge of his anus. Furthermore, both the gap.zip (see below) pictures and Kirk Johnson's pictures show the same large yellow buttplug being used.

He has been given many nicknames by various Internet communities, including "The Goatse Guy", "Goatse Man", "Matt", "Narayan", "Cavanah", "Bob Goatse", "Mr G.", "The Goatman", "The Receiver", "Stinger" (hello.jpg was originally passed around on IRC as _stinger.jpg, with the intent of prodding an oper), "Gatasa", "Gman", "Goatsemon", "Goatse", "Gaping Ass Man", "Yam Sthruss", "Senor Goatse", and many others.

Some have claimed that "he" is actually a hermaphrodite, and he is actually pulling open his vagina. However, the rest of the images in the series are unambiguously male, and, as the interview linked below shows, it is certainly possible for a man's anus to exhibit the elasticity shown.
[edit]

Organization

Goatse.cx has four sections, three of which have images of questionable taste:

* The "Receiver" section, showing the aforementioned hello.jpg. Hello.jpg has the alt= attribute "stinger". Before the picture is the text in black, "The goatse.cx lawyer has informed us that we need a warning! So.. if you are under the age of 18 or find this photograph offensive, please don't look at it. Thank you!" It also has links to http://www.dolphinsex.org/ and http://www.urinalpoop.org/. It once had a link to http://www.biganal.com/ (which is now occupied by a squatter.) This text is not a sincere warning in the minds of some, as hello.jpg is very close to it. The text below hello.jpg reads, "IMPORTANT NOTE: There are many merchandising attempts for goatse.cx around the web-- none of them are real, none of them are official. Do not buy this gimmick merchandise. The official goatse.cx merchandise is coming soon!" The title of this page is "Eh".
* The "Giver" section, showing a picture (giver.jpg) of a man reclining in an orange convertible (later versions show him on a yacht or speedboat of some kind, with ocean or river waves in the background). He has an oversized penis which reaches up to his chest. The length and girth of mentioned penis is exaggeratedly anatomically disproportionate to the rest of the man's body; the photo shows obvious signs of being "photoshopped" or otherwise graphically altered for shock value and/or humor. The title of this page is "Whoa". The whole website contains an anal sex joke: either that the Giver will be able to stick his oversized penis into the Receiver, and therefore, bring on highly pleasurable sexual intercourse for the two men; or that the Giver's oversized genitals are responsible for the Receiver's condition.
* The "Feedback" section, where e-mails are exhibited.
* The "Contrib" section showcasing visitor contributions to the site. Contrib has additional variations of hello.jpg and giver.jpg, as well as other images and files. The title of this page is "Contributed Work". Warning: The page begins with an ASCII version of hello.jpg.
o bush.jpg is a picture of United States President George W. Bush, calling someone on a telephone in his office, with hello.jpg displayed on a laptop computer on his desk.
o collage-holyzoo.jpg is a collage of faces of different people affiliated with holyzoo.com and thinkattack.com, and a closeup on the gaping anus of the man in hello.jpg. The image contains the text "Special Thanks for being there for a laugh. From your friends at http://holyzoo.com and... http://THINKATTACK.com"
o goatse-wwii.jpg is a picture of a large snowball, with "goatse.cx" written on the side, chasing Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Hideki Tojo.
o giver2.jpg is a picture of the Goatse giver holding his oversized penis.
o magiceye.jpg is a Magic Eye picture. After about 16 seconds, the image changes to that of a 256 color version of hello.jpg. It attempts to fool viewers by exploiting the fact that, although the server sends a MIME type stating the filename is a JPEG image, the image is in fact an animated GIF.
o warning.jpg is a warning sign picture telling people not to go to goatse.cx
o goatsex.swf is a Flash Movie, set to the hook from "MMMBop" by Hanson. The movie shows a large dildo being inserted into the anus of the man posing in hello.jpg. The background is from another gap.zip picture, gap8.jpg.
o Goatman.mp3 is an mp3 Music file. It takes up 518 KB.
o Foxy_goatse.mp3 is another mp3 music file, a parody of the Jimi Hendrix song Foxy Lady. It takes up 1061 KB.
o goatsecx-winamp.zip is a ZIP file containing a Winamp skin, depicting hello.jpg. It takes up 313 KB.
o hello.mpg is a movie, first showing the text "HI" on a black background, followed by shots of gap.zip pictures. At the end of the movie, the following text appears next to a picture of a teenage boy:
"http://www.goatse.cx
The goatse.cx lawyer has informed us that we need a warning! So.. if you are under the age of 18 or find this photograph offensive, please don't look at it. Thank you!"

People sometimes link to goatse.cx images not shown on the actual webpages, such as loopback.jpg, a picture of a man looping his penis into his anus. There are also numerous other files in the directory http://www.goatse.cx/contrib/.

The image hello.jpg originates from a set of 40 images depicting the man performing various anal sexual acts. In those images, the man used dildos and butt plugs to stretch his anus. The images were located by Stile Project and are also available from the "Contrib" section of the goatse.cx website under the filename gap.zip. hello.jpg is the third file in the archive, gap3.jpg.
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Geographic location

The site uses the .cx country code, which is the top-level domain of Christmas Island, whose operators will not disclose registrants' personal information. They have recently suspended the site. The actual server of Goatse.cx is not located on Christmas Island, but in the United States and is owned by Hick.org, which is a website about computer programming and bathroom humor. The Hick.org domain was registered by Matt Miller in Overland Park, Kansas. Both Goatse.cx and Hick.org originate from the same IP address; the server is located in the Kansas City, Missouri metro-region. Goat.cx, a mirror of Goatse.cx, is located in the Dallas, Texas metro-region.
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Parodies and tributes
says that the front cover of the , issue of Time magazine is seen by some to look suspiciously like hello.jpg
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Snopes says that the front cover of the September 20, 2004 issue of Time magazine is seen by some to look suspiciously like hello.jpg

Because nearly every frequent Internet user has been tricked into viewing the site at one time or another, it has become something of an Internet-wide in joke. As such, hello.jpg and the other images on the site are common subjects of parodies and tributes.

* The 8 Phases of Goatse (http://www.the-elite.net/ClarkPage/Phases/)
* Pelord Goatse- A Family Safe Goatse Parody Image (http://users.erols.com/wmhare/pelordgoatse.JPG)
* Goatse Clan (http://www.goatseclan.com/)
* The following two parodies are hosted on Yahoo! Geocities.
o http://www.geocities.com/electabuzz2002/lite.htm - Was originally like the Goatse.cx receiver section, but with hello.jpg replaced by the ASCII version found in the "Contrib" section of Goatse.cx. It has since been changed so that the "Receiver" and "Giver" are replaced by crude line drawings.
o http://www.geocities.com/internetgoat/ - This website has the Goatse warning, and fake links, as well as a link to this webpage, with the words "Thanks for the hits!"
* The following parodies all originate from the same IP address, hosted in the Houston, Texas metro-region:
o Oralse.cx (http://oralse.cx/) - The "Pussy" hello.jpg is that of a kitten, and the "Wiener" giver.jpg is that of a dachshund. Oralse.cx also has a "Contrib" section of more shots of the cat and the dog, as well as modified versions of the aforementioned pictures. It also had a "Feedback" section with its own letters.
o http://analse.cx/ - This site has bunny.gif, which is a picture of bunch of cartoon rabbits, each with a pancake on its head, who open their anuses in imitation of hello.jpg. The title of the page is "GoatsePancakeBunnyDance". A song called "bunny.mid" plays on the site, a version of "The Girl from Ipanema". The string "Now this is something I just don't get. - Matthew 11:42" is seen in the source code. This site is also a spoof of The Hamster Dance and Oolong the rabbit.
* In the tradition of oralse.cx and throatse.cx, "anti-shock" (sites that imitate shock/curiosity websites but do not feature objectionable content), has become an Internet trolling phenomenon where people advertise non-shock sites as containing pornographic or shocking matter. Commonly, the actual website linked-to is an image of a family pet, a recipe for sugar cookies, the Olsen twins' website (http://mary-kateandashley.com).
* Trollse.cx - a parody of the front page of goatse.cx, replacing the original picture with a picture of open source figure Eric S. Raymond, wearing a Linux shirt photoshopped to say Lunix. The giver section has a cartoon of two men, a still frame from Jeff K's animation satirizing Linux users and game designer Cliffy B. One of them is clothed and sitting down in a chair. His oversized penis is bulging through the crotch of his red pants. In the background are pictures of Something Awful characters Cliff Yablonski and JeffK. The "contrib" only has an ascii picture of Raymond. This website is hosted in the Washington, DC metro-region. The site links to Slashdot and Slashnet. The site also links to cowse.cx, which is advertised as "coming soon."
* http://www.goatse.org/ - an illustration of Mario from the video game Super Mario 64 bending over, with the hello.jpg anus doctored onto the already doctored picture to show an anus to the viewer (The filename of the picture is mariotse.jpg).
* http://comedy.allinfoabout.com/goatse.html - A flash file that exhibits several Goatse parodies.
* http://members.lycos.co.uk/ferreousx/goats.gif - A modified Penny Arcade comic strip that contains a extremely pixelated version of goatse.
* http://sam.zoy.org/fun/goatse/ - A gallery of Goatse parody pictures. Warning: The first page is not pornographic, but it contains links to pornographic and disturbing variations on hello.jpg
* http://conese.ath.cx/ - A re-enactment of hello.jpg using an ordinary traffic cone. Non-pornographic.
* http://forge.evula.net/fc/fc_goatse.jpg - An altered Family Circus comic
* http://www.redcoat.net/pics/couldsecx.jpg - A picture of the sky pulling a hello.jpg
* http://www.digitaldfw.com/uberzine/hax.asp?clip=32 - A video showing 2 young men in the background of a newscast with a sign that says "Goatse."
* http://www.cadaverine.net/misc/hello.jpg - An altered hello.jpg, showing the face of cartoon dragon blocking the man's anus
* http://www.cellosoft.com/nash/garbage/photos/simon b-goatse.jpg - A picture of a teenage boy doing a Goatse pose. The photo has the goatse anus doctored onto the seat of the boy's pants.
* http://web.archive.org/web/20010305142500/http://w ww.conhugeco.org/goatse.cx - Neo Goatse.cx, which has two sections - The Effect, which shows a picture of a man with a prolapsed rectum, and The Cause, which shows a pair of gap.zip pictures, the first depicting the Goatse man sitting on a large butt plug, the second with a pair of dildos inserted into his anus. The site now states: "Sorry... My web hosting company decided that a man pulling his ass apart wasn't appropriate content."
* http://goat.se/cx - features a photograph (oogabooga.jpg) of a cat with its tail raised, showing its anus. There are no further pictures or links. The URL of this site is one of two possible URLs containing only the text of the original goatse.cx, the other URL being the unavailable http://go.at/secx.
* http://analcock.tk/ - The front page features a picture (ninja.gif) of a crudely drawn man with a wand in his hand, and a penis sticking out of his buttocks, ejaculating. The text "ANAL COCK" written on him. Instead of "the giver", there is "The Gordon" page, which shows a picture (Gordon.jpg, with the caption "stoko") of a teenager. The feedback section leads to the text "CLOCK". The contrib section contains the text "Nothing yet :(". As of February 15, 2005 this website is inaccessible.
* http://www.xcesta.org - features a reversed version of hello.jpg (looking out from the man's anus instead of into it) for the "Receiver" section. The site's name comes from a reversal of the Goatse.cx domain - reversed, Goatse.cx would be Xcesta.og, though the site uses ".org" because there is no such TLD as ".og". The inside of the 'anus' in the picture is actually an undoctored photo of the inside of a cave, something this parody's author claims reflects on the mind's ability to conclude based on assumptions.
* http://goatse.biz/ - A "PG-rated" goatse tribute lacking any pictures, only displaying the text, "<Insert picture of rectum here>".
* blog.jackola.net (http://blog.jackola.net/725376.html) and http://www.timese.cx feature parody versions of The 20th September 2004 cover of Time Magazine (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/ 0,16641,1101040920,00.html), which look similar to goatse even before the parodies were made.
* http://www.evilscheme.org/defcon/ - A gallery of censored goatse images being shown to people.
* Snopes.com has an article, "The Hands of God" (http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/godhands.asp ), about an image of a cloud formation that looks suspiciously like the Goatse.cx photo.
* http://www.bananase.cx - Contains a (non-pornographic) cartoon of a young boy with a large banana inserted through his anus. These cartoons are modeled after or taken directly from Viz, a British comic book.
* http://mattsteg.homeunix.com/albums/familyguy/fg_s tewie_pigey.jpg - A Family Guy screenshot showing Stewie with a doll of a female pig. If the user direct-links to the image, the goatse image may be superimposed on the lower right corner of the image.
* Xbo.cx (http://xbo.cx/), which had the Goatse.cx image altered so that it looks as if the man is covering his anus with a Microsoft Xbox, and with a Xbox controller covering his penis and testicles. The page is titled "The Butcher". Others were "The Baker", which was "The Butcher" but with an Atari 2600 in place of the Xbox, and "The Candlestick Maker", which had the Goatse.cx giver with a joystick in place of the oversized penis. The "feedback" button leads to a mailto to gimps@r33t.org. "Hate" leads to a "What would Santa do?" thread on the r33t.org internet forums. And the r33t.org link links to the said website, which has a "Communist" theme. The website has been taken down due to the lease expiring, and was hosted in the Auckland, New Zealand metro-region. The Xbox picture (though not the Atari 2600 or the joystick) can be viewed at http://web.archive.org/web/20020526122729/http://w ww.xbo.cx/. Currently, http://www.xbo.cx has become a commercial Xbox modding site.
* http://home.comcast.net/~nameatdotcom/goatsetime.j pg - An altered version of a Time magazine cover
* http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/andrespictu res/someonegoatseswithtime.jpg - A picture of a person with his trousers down holding a TIME magazine with the cover facing the camera over his buttocks.
* http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2517/eww7qa.jpg - A picture showing the back of the goatse man (but not the offensive parts of him), with several kittens where the rest of the goatse picture would normally be. The text "ewww!!" is above the kittens and below the top part of the goatse image.
* http://www.clitoros.org/snpcff3/rom - A low-brow ROM hack of Super Mario Bros. 3 which contains several references to goatse.
* http://www.gorkalimotxo.net/mt/img2004-01/goatse.j pg - A digitally altered picture showing a Spanish woman speaking at a podium. The podium has the text "Goatse.cx el ministero va de culo" written on it.

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External links

Warning! Many of the links below contain the same images found on Goatse.cx.

* http://goatse.cx/ - Leads to the notice of the domain suspension.
* http://goat.cx/ - Leads to a 'be right back' message, following the domain suspension of February 22, 2005.
* http://retropay.com/goatse/goatse.cx/
* http://web.archive.org/web/20030623201150/http://g oatse.cx/
* http://synflood.at/mirrors/goatse.cx/
* http://www.kwaak.net/~ard/goatse/goatse.cx/
* http://www.goatse.org/mirror
* http://goatse.reacharound.org/

* http://www.rokbom.com/, which is a "front page" for a personal website (http://rokbom.com/index.php, linked by an additional "Rokbom" link). The receiver page lacks the "merchandise" string that the current version has, suggesting that the front is a mirror of an older version of goatse. The modified contrib section has the text "A small request: SUP XXX JASON IS THE RECEIVER" in addition to other content, and the text "Our first Christmas present: A collage from the people at holyzoo.com! Thank you!" is present, unlike in the current version of Goatse; the image is on both sites, however.
* http://www.goat.cx/mail.html - "Feedback" subsection with reader email selections. This page does not contain pornographic images.
* http://www.goat.cx/contrib/gap.zip, http://www.dwoloz.com/bad/goatse/, http://www.dejenerate.net/ruxpin/pub/goatse/, http://goatse.reacharound.org/contrib/gap/, http://www.exet.nu/html/bildarkiv/goatse.shtml, and http://goat.cx.homepage.dk/ - Links to gap.zip and/or gap.zip galleries
* http://www.goatse.ca/ - WARNING! This page contains the same pornographic material as Goatse.cx. A Canadian mirror of the main page of the goatse.cx website. The links at the bottom of the main "receiver" section have been exchanged for the text "Fight Censorship!".
* http://www.bmezine.com/news/people/A20210/plp56/ - Another interview, this one with a man who some have claimed to be the Goatse Man. WARNING! This page contains pornographic material similar to that at Goatse.cx.
* http://www.stileproject.com/son.html - Images of the man from the above interview at bmezine.com
* http://mjt.nysv.org/ - has a goatse tribute section.
* http://sam.zoy.org/fun/goatse/ - has a comprehensive goatse tribute section with many well-known (and many lesser-known) photoshoppings of the images from the site
* http://adult.pornparks.com/rosebutt/kirk/001/index .htm - Photographs of a man named Kirk Johnson, who some claim to be the Goatse man. WARNING! This page contains pornographic material similar to that at Goatse.cx.
* An individual named Rhonda Clarke (http://web.archive.org/web/20030214010757/%68ttp: //training.edu.cx/rhonda.html) made an official complaint to the domain's registrant. Check the current state (http://www.nic.cx/whois.jsp) of the goatse.cx whois entry.
* Petition launched to bring goatse.cx back (http://www.petitiononline.com/Goatse/petition.htm l).
* The suspension of goatse.cx was discussed in detail (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/1/16/03540/402 0) on Kuro5hin.
* http://static.stileproject.com/rnd/fp/ripgoatse.gi f - "RIP Goatse" cartoon
* http://linux.is.analdeluxe.de/ - The pumpkin picture
* http://www.b0g.org contains many goatse references within its archives
* http://www.stilemedia.com/?v=shmap1.wmv&akey=99d5c db42c95c70f54713174542d4d30 - A video of Kirk Johnson doing two different acts of stretching his anus.
* http://dejenerate.net/ruxpin/pub/GOATSETHEVIDEO.wm v - Another video of the Frenchman from the BMEZine interview stretching his anus.
* http://www.kolumbus.fi/xtmb/goatsefloppy/ - A site that has a .tar.gz file that can be downloaded on a floppy. The floppy would be used to show goatse on any x86-architecture computer.
* http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=759&id=651 492004 - Scotsman article on Goatse
* http://motlotestho.666.cc/ - a smily turning to GOATSE after some seconds
* http://www.linuks.mine.nu/magiceye.jpg - Mirror of the magic eye picture.
* http://www.detroithardcore.com/lensman2.jpg - Kirk Johnson's "Lensman" photograph. The image is also on the detroithardcore.com main page.

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AOL (0)

Psykus (827143) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165149)

"AOL Internet Phone Service"

Someone got creative.

Re:AOL (2, Funny)

RailGunner (554645) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165307)

AOL Internet Phone Service...AIPS... rhymes with "Apes".

How fitting, considering most AOL users are only slightly more advanced than trained monkeys. And on the bright side, if you get this service you can look forward to koreans calling you at 4 AM asking you if you want a larger penis or herbal cialis.

The Nigerian VoIP Spam ought to be really interesting, especially if it comes with sounds effects like machine gun fire in the background.

I doubt anyone gets porn VoIP spam, though - people wouldn't have a reason to call 1-900 numbers anymore.

Re:AOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165839)

AOLips...Lip service. What's not creative about that?

What about keywords? (4, Funny)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165150)

"If you're too drunk to drive, just say AOL Keyword "Cab" and a taxi will pick you up!

Skype? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165151)

Why not just use Skype? Skype is P2P and actually works from behind NAT (or even if both ends are behind NAT). I mean what does AOL do better than Skype? In order to win anybody, it needs to be as good as Skype (in every way) and then use some standard protocol (the only way to beat Skype anymore).

Re:Skype? (1)

papaia (652949) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165503)

In the future? Probably because - if I would be AOL and would like to charge you for MY services - I would prioritize traffic for my application (of course - making sure it is identifiable somehow, either by TCP/UDP port, or using a specialized field in the header or payload), and let you decide whether Skype would still compare. Even worse, I would block or put Skype in low priority queue, on the network I have contol over, to make sure you are not happy with it, and start paying me the big bucks.

Free Forever? (4, Interesting)

zoomba (227393) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165154)

I wonder if AOL will treat its VoIP subscribers like they do normal AOL users when they want to cancel their account.

About 3 years ago I loaded up an AOL free trial CD just for shits and giggles, and to see how much it had changed since I last used it (1.0). Well, I found the experience disappointing (as I expected though) and at the end of the trial went to cancel.

What happened at that point was a 30min conversation where the sales rep practically begged me to keep the service. He offered me 6 months free and told me that if I make this same call every 5-6 months I could end up not paying for the service ever again. I think I said "No, just cancel the damn account, I DO NOT LIKE THE SERVICE" about two dozen times. Finally, defeated, the rep canceled the account. That was the most painful phone convo I've ever had.

I'm wondering if I can pull the free-forever scheme with their VoIP service. Think they'll be desperate enough for subscribers to it?

Re:Free Forever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165294)

I did this a few years ago when i had dial up.
I managed to get 14 free months before they told me they wouldn't let me have any more :)
I guess they're pretty desperate since they would only let me have 1 extra month at a time, rather than the 6 months you said they would give you.

Hot damn! (3, Funny)

alispguru (72689) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165160)


As a bonus current AOL members wil receive a wireless AP when signing-up for the service.

Does this mean we'll see a bunch of new unsecured wireless APs soon?

Re:Hot damn! (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165410)

No, it means you'll see a bunch of AOL-type users flooding tech support forums with help stopping their AP crashing when they try and run kazaa through it without forwarding all the ports

You can be pretty sure it won't be a decent US Robotics or Linksys, but will be a rebranded far-eastern Safecom or similar.

Re:Hot damn! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165419)

I knew free wireless would soon be everywhere, I just knew it.

Wow, OSS beat our the commercial Version (2, Interesting)

bahwi (43111) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165167)

http://sipphone.com/phonegaim/ [sipphone.com] has been around for awhile. =)

Test your connection... (3, Interesting)

fiji (4544) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165181)

If you are at all interested in this service (or one of the alternate offerings from the other VoIP providers) then make sure your line can support a VoIP call by using this free service: ahref=http://testyourvoip.com/ [slashdot.org] http://testyourvoip. com/>.

Also you can roll your own with the Asterix software, and some cheap hardware... (URL:http://asterix.org/ [asterix.org] ). There are companies who you can pay to bridge to the phone network calls from an Asterix server.

-ben

It's Asterisk, not Asterix (2, Informative)

mamladm (867366) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165536)

It's http://www.asterisk.org/ [asterisk.org] and the name is Asterisk, not asterix.

Re:Test your connection... (1)

10Brett-T (11197) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165787)

Asterisk. Say it with me. Asterisk [asterisk.org] .

Interesting Acronym (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12165202)

AOL Internet Phone Service
AIPS

pronounced "apes"

Only 40 cities? Why not everywhere? (2, Interesting)

dnaboy (569188) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165241)

I can't understand why they would only launch in 40 cities instead of nationwide (or worldwide). I've got vonage, and when I signed up, I got to pick phone numbers from essentially anywhere in N. America, so really, where the customer is located doesn't matter.

For what it's worth, my vonage line is my home office line, so I've even been known to travel with it when I want to work from my college friend's house. Just plug it in to their cable modem, then plug it in to a phone. Ultimate portability.

Re:Only 40 cities? Why not everywhere? (1)

fatboy (6851) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165519)

I've got vonage, and when I signed up, I got to pick phone numbers from essentially anywhere in N. America, so really, where the customer is located doesn't matter.

I have been a Vonage customer over a year and hoping that they will add Knoxville,Tn.

Let me know when they have service for the 865 area code.

My computer is a phone? I don't git it! (0, Flamebait)

Reignking (832642) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165260)

As if AOL users could even set VoIP up, let alone understand the concept :)

VOIP != computer phone (3, Informative)

mamladm (867366) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165617)

You are mistaken.

VOIP doesn't mean that your computer becomes a phone. All it means is that voice is encapsulated into IP packets. Period.

In fact, a software that allows you to use your computer as a phone, a so called softphone is a very bad compromise.

You will always get far superior quality if you use a real VOIP phone, that is, a device that looks just like an old fashioned telephone, but instead of a phone jack (RJ-11) it has got an ethernet jack (RJ-45) at its back and circuitry to convert between analog voice and IP packet encapsulated digitised voice.

http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-VOIP+Phones [voip-info.org]

Another Movie?? (2, Funny)

tesseract5d (871694) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165264)

So are Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks actually going to be able to talk on the phone this time??? Brilliant!

Hhhmmm.... (3, Funny)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165295)

As a bonus current AOL members wil receive a wireless AP when signing-up for the service.

Excellent! Everyone in their neighbourhood will be getting free VoIP as well then!

Open Access Points (1)

SmokeyDP (78134) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165312)

Chances are these AP's will be open and most AOL users are not savvy enough to secure them. So looks like this should create some more open AP's for us when we are away from home.

Call Me Paranoid but (3, Interesting)

TooCynical (323240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165323)

AOL/TM knows my buddies, surfing habits, shopping preferrences, magazines subscriptions, TV and cable viewing tendencies - do they really need to know who I talk with on the phone???

I am probably giving them more credit than they are due but knowing that much about 40+ million people cannot be good...

Hmmm... (2, Funny)

Patrick Mannion (782290) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165362)

I wonder if they'll try connect to AOL using their VoIP phones.

Good Grief, twelve year old CEO? (1)

bigbinc (605471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165365)

What twelve year old is running this company? I really want to know. They made a mistake by holding off on not going to broadband. Now, they want to enter some completely foreign market. People are having all kinds of problems with Vontage. I don't understand why they would want to jump on this train-wreck. I will send my resume to AOL for CEO,CIO or CTO, I have zero qualifications for this role, but I might just make it.

Just an extension of a current feature (1)

LaughingLinuxMan (872028) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165474)

It seems like they just tacked on "computer <-> phone" to their existing AIM voice technology.

To me, it is arbitrary to say that once the "computer <-> computer" voice technology gets connected another voice system, POTS, that one is suddenly regulated (USF, etc). \

That being said, however one communicates, there needs to be technology for that medium that locates you in an emergency. One is not always able to spell out an exact location to 911 when in trouble.

My two cents...

-LLM

Bring on the trial CD's! (1)

ViceVirtue (871883) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165520)

I hope they bombard us with Free VoIP trial CD's!
As I sit in my throne http://stupidco.com/aol_throne_intro.html [stupidco.com] I contemplate all the wonderous things which I could create from these circular wafers of enjoyment.
I might be able to create a VoIP ATA to complement my desk lamp http://neil.fraser.name/hardware/lamp/ [fraser.name]
...
Or I could just wang them at my brother like I've done with the last hundred or so I recieved.

What will happen? (1)

Patrick Mannion (782290) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165557)

Will MSN now rush to get on the VoIP wagon? What about the Baby Bells?

It seems like VoIP will become more and more commonplace. I predict it will maybe be used about 50% or 75% of the telephone system by about 2010.

AOL VOIP = Good (2, Informative)

dygital (591967) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165645)

I use broadband, so dont flame me. I have AOL For Broadband for free, and I participated in the beta test of the "Internet Phone Service". Its very reliable, and you get a free Linksys box to hook your telephone into. To make things easier, and less linksys boxes (I have 4 as it is now), I hooked up the TA into the Telephone Network Interface and put a label on it that says "Anti-Qwest Device". All phones work in the house on it. I performed one 911 test call, and took slightly longer to reach than a cell phone, but I was overall connected to the PSAP in a decent amount of time. However, I dont know how much AOL plans to charge for it, I'm thinking ballpark like $15/mo. I get it for free though, so thats maybe why I like it more. ;)

Their basic is 19.95 for 3 months,34.95 thereafter (1)

Sark666 (756464) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165698)

That's pretty much what I pay for regular service. One of the big pushes of voip is the national calling, but for me 99.9% of my calls are local.

Is there any voip service in canada that can really save you money over traditional local service?

When I see less than 5 bucks savings I think it's not worth the hassle. Plus the headaches of qos, e911 etc, it's gotta be worthwhile to switch.

Does anybody know if this is open or proprietary? (1)

mamladm (867366) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165713)

The article doesn't say anything about what protocol AOL's service will be using. Does anyone know? Is it SIP or yet another incompatible derivative of SIP (like Skype and Apple's iChat) or something else?

Re:Does anybody know if this is open or proprietar (1)

dygital (591967) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165740)

Powered by Level3 VOIP network. ;)

Re:Does anybody know if this is open or proprietar (2, Interesting)

mamladm (867366) | more than 9 years ago | (#12165806)

But that might only refer to the backbone, not the "last mile" between AOL's POPs and AOL customer premises.

If they use SIP for the last mile, that would mean you could use your own SIP phone to connect to the network. I am kind of skeptical about AOL using a standard protocol, though.
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