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Paramount Says Enterprise Cancellation Is Final

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the live-to-fight-another-day dept.

Sci-Fi 583

Kethinov writes "The Save Enterprise campaigns appear to have been for naught. Paramount has declared that they will not be accepting any amount of money from fans to continue to produce Star Trek Enterprise. With the decision final, Star Trek Enterprise will be the first Star Trek show since the original series not to run a full seven seasons." From the letter: "Paramount Network Television and the producers of Star Trek: Enterprise are very flattered and impressed by the fans' passionate outpouring of attention for the show and their efforts to raise funds to continue the show's production." Commentary also available from TrekToday.

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Just like TOS (5, Insightful)

Kethinov (636034) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217672)

Enterprise never had a chance to grow. The first two seasons of Ent were decent, but still a bit mediocre. The third season was a nice ride, but not the show we really wanted out of the prequel. Manny Coto's 4th season is EXACTLY what the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd seasons should have been, but too little too late. I love the show, always will, but TV politics have ruined many a good show. Look at the original Star Trek, or look at Farscape...

In their place, reality TV dominates. Why watch intelligent TV when we can have Growing Up Gotti?

Re:Just like TOS (1)

rocketsled (676050) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217764)

Look at the original Star Trek, or look at Farscape... or B5 or Firefly or ...

Re:Just like TOS (4, Interesting)

bryanp (160522) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217812)

B5 isn't really a good example. B5 ran it's full story arc. The sequel series was cancelled, but it really wasn't very good.

Firefly ... now there's a great show struck down before it could get going. As much as I'm enjoying Battlestar Galactica I'd trade it for a new Firefly tv series in a heartbeat.

Re:Just like TOS (4, Insightful)

larkost (79011) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217924)

I agree with you on FireFly, we can just hope that the move that is due out in September (Serenity [] ) will re-ignite the TV series. But the fundamental flaw in FireFly was that the dialog an plots were too thoughtful. There is a chance that the darkness of Battlestar Galactica will allow the networks to give it a second chance though.

Re:Just like TOS (3, Insightful)

Arathrael (742381) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217837)

I honestly don't understand why all these get cancelled.

I mean... is it because they're unprofitable? It's hard to believe they all could be - sure, sci-fi series in general cost a fair bit to make, but all these series (and I'll throw Futurama in as well) certainly seem to have pretty large numbers of dedicated fans.

And if they're unprofitable... why do they then eventually commission other sci-fi series? What are they hoping for? Actually, how many sci-fi series haven't ended up being cancelled?

Re:Just like TOS (5, Insightful)

Abalamahalamatandra (639919) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217892)

In the case of Firefly, I can tell you why.

First off, Fox put it in a cruddy timeslot on a cruddy day - Friday night.

They didn't advertise it worth a crap.

They showed it out of order.

They preempted it CONSTANTLY so that it got to the point that, unless you had a really good guide, you didn't even know if it was going to be on or not.

Basically, just about everything a network can do to not encourage a following, they did.

Re:Just like TOS (2, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217777)

Enterprise never had a chance to grow.

More along the lines of they've tried everything their limited imagination and accountants (even more limited imagination) would let them do. It's been not just a good run, but a phenominal run. It is time to let it rest and beat to death some other genres until fresh ideas (or the next generation of viewers) come along.

so long and thanks for all the rubber ears

Re:Just like TOS (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217825)

Just the other night, I was up late and caught and episode of ST:TOS on SciFi. TOS tackled many social issues, like racism for example, and was an innovative series at the time. I must say, Enterprise is none of the things TOS was except maybe living in its fading shadow. I find your comparison rather untrue.

Re:Just like TOS (2, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217839)

What politics? Why can't the writers, actors, and producers ever get blamed for making an inferior product?

Re:Just like TOS (5, Insightful)

TexVex (669445) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217863)

Enterprise should not have needed a chance to grow.

After TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager, Enterprise should have come sprinting out of the gate. It didn't. Blame those who did the writing and producing for the first two seasons for giving the show a gimp leg and dooming it right from the start. Its potential audience tuned out. And, once that happens, there's no saving it. Those people no longer care, and you're not going to recapture their attention.

Re:Just like TOS (2, Insightful)

atriusofbricia (686672) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217928)

It seems someone doesn't remember the first season or so of TNG when it was almost painful to watch. Or the first season of Voyager when it WAS painful to watch. Every new trek show needs time to find itself before it doesn't suck balls. Ent was no different.

Re:Just like TOS (1)

LocoMan (744414) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217971)

To be fair, they did give it 3 seasons of time to find itself... maybe it did on season 4 (not much of a ent. fan and season 4 won't be showing here in Venezuela for a while), but I guess it was too little too late.

Re:Just like TOS (5, Insightful)

Illserve (56215) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217917)

Never had a chance to grow through 4 seasons?

As a Firefly fan, I'd like to be the first to tell you to shut your goddamned piehole.

Bullshit (5, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217940)

Your comparison is lame, because TOS had a lot of good scripts during the first two seasons. They didn't start to falter until the third and final season, when most of the best writers and producers had left.

I do get pissed when I see a good TV show cancelled before it has a chance to find an audience. But a proper chance is two or three months, not 3 years.

Even most Trekkies found the early Enterprise scripts rancid. Stand back from your Trekkieness for a minute and consider that from the network's POV. They spend millions of bucks on a TV show, and it can't even inspire enthusiasm among hard core fans who are supposed to be a lock. Any other show that screwed up that badly wouldn't have lasted a full season, never mind getting renewed twice. Didn't get a chance? Spare me.

Re:Just like TOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217967)

It had 4 seasons. That's plenty of time to grow.

Also I really hate reality TV but I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that it's less intelligent than ENT. ENT was cookie cutter sci-fi, alien of the weak, forehead monster, crap. Just about every episode involves a crew member being trapped, or some amazing danger which the crew always overcomes with 2 minutes left, cue happy ending/credits. That's not intelligent TV, it's boring TV.

Four seasons is an eternity in television (1)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217996)

Quite honestly, I've never watched the show, but if you're right and it took four seasons for them to get it "right" then it was three and a half seasons too long.

It has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with ratings and budgets. If the show had been done "right" in season #1 or #2, then maybe it would have had the audience to generate the cash to see it through to season #7.

Bleah (1)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 9 years ago | (#12218004)

I'm supposed to watch 3 * 26 hours of television just to wait until it starts to get good?

Sorry...there's too little time to waste waiting for crap to stop smelling so bad when there is decent stuff to watch.

Funeral Plans? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217676)

There should be plenty of room for all 3 fans in my parent's basement

Powned! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217681)


Re:Powned! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217709)

What a stupid fuckhead you are... it's "Pwned" without an "o" you shitdickwad.

Oh no No *NO*! (4, Funny)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217682)

Jesus, this is horrible news. Seriously, how could something like this happen?

I mean, what could the network possibly be thinking? Don't they understand that they're cancelling the most original, innovative and entertaining Sci Fi show of this generation? How can they cancel a show with such a devoted following? How can they turn their backs on well-developed characters with their flaws and nuances? What about the great staging and the inspired writing? How can they ignore such incredible potential?

What about the tremendous buzz behind the show? What about the devoted legions of fans who are careful to never miss an episode? The ratings on this have to be through the roof -- everyone I know watches it religiously! Christ, I know people who went out and got TiVO just so they could start going out on Friday nights again without chancing setting their cheap VCRs wrong and missing it!

I mean, I'm upset, I'm angry and most of all I'm just plain astonished. I just can't get my head around this. I mean really, it just doesn't compute. I think the SciFi network ought to be ashamed of themselv...

(whispering, pause)

Oh, wait, they cancelled Enterprise?!? Just 100% for sure this time? Pft, well duh! Gee, you really had to be Miss Cleo to see that one coming. All the attention this was getting, I just figured that they must have cancelled Battlestar Galactica! Heh, oh Jesus, don't scare me like that! Heh, my hands are still shaking, man, you freaked me out! Whew...

C'mon, are you serious? You mean there were actually people willing to pay to see more of this crap? Like, real money? C'mon! An online petition with two signatures I might buy, but *pay*? Riiight....

Cancelling Enterprise... Yeah, whatever. Tragedy for all three fans of the series, I'm sure. Heh, pft... "Save Enterprise". Yeah, let me get right on that! What will the galaxy do without the heroics of Captain Archer, inspiration to mildly retarded people everywhere? What about all the memorable characters we know and love, like... er.. You know, hick-sounding white guy! Or british-sounding white guy? Or the chick in with the big boobies? (okay, 100% seriously: I will miss those boobies, but then again there's always the internet). LOL, "Save Enterprise". Ooh! We got to save Enterprise! Because, you know, it's, um, like a TV show with spaceships or something. Heh.


Hey, is it July yet? Man, I couldn't believe that cliffhanger -- I tell ya, I haven't been genuinely surprised by a TV show in ages...

Re:Oh no No *NO*! (-1, Troll)

Silverlancer (786390) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217750)

PARENT IS NOT A TROLL. PARENT IS INSIGHTFUL. Mod up please? I'd do it myself if I had mod points.

Guess you've missed... (1)

Valiss (463641) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217849)

Don't they understand that they're cancelling the most original, innovative and entertaining Sci Fi show of this generation?

Guess you missed Babylon5.

Re:Guess you've missed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217869)

Guess you missed the second half of his post where he reveals he was being sarcastic.

Re:Guess you've missed... (4, Interesting)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217921)

Nope, I sure didn't.

B5 was a reasonably entertaining show, but IMO it was critically flawed because of the extreme "cringe factor" that worked its way in, especially in the later episodes.

C'mon, we're talking about a series where two advanced races spend thousands of years and unimaginable amounts of effort to influence the evolution of the galaxy only to suddenly pack up and leave because, at the denoumont of the entire serious, Bruce Boxleitner yells "Get the hell out of our galaxy!". The cheese was too thick to get past. "As my grandfather used to say, 'cool!'"...

B5 was better than Enterprise and Voyager and, IMO, it was the reason that DS9 was forced to become watchible in its last couple of seasons. But overall (and still, obviously, in my opinion), it was still a flawed show in a way that BSG is not (at least, not yet).

Re:Guess you've missed... (1)

golgotha007 (62687) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217957)

no no, he has all the Babylon5 DVD's on his shelf, right next to Days of our Lives and Ryan's Hope.

Re:Oh no No *NO*! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217925)

Im glad. It sucked and so do you.

Go get em, mods! Yee-haa! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217950)

That'll teach anyone to use wit to express an opinion round these parts!

A good idea ... (2, Interesting)

foobsr (693224) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217684)

... would perhaps be to try to redirect the money to The Internet Movie Project [] ...

Begin Quote
Our dream is to create a movie with the POV-Ray raytracer,
as a collaborative effort of many people from all over the world,
just for the fun of it, "because it can be done" -
very much like POV-Ray itself is developed.
End Quote

or a similar instance ...

Yes, I am daydreaming [] .


Re:A good idea ... (1)

eobanb (823187) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217765)

making a quality feature film with POV-Ray would take about a century, I'm sorry to say.

Re:A good idea ... (1)

foobsr (693224) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217959)

... or a similar instance.

Maya [] might fit better, but the platform would not be that crucial, I hate to say the trouble would be more on the side of managing it all.

Besides, LINUX took quite a while to grow in term of man years, see The true costs of Linux development [] .


Re:A good idea ... (1)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217915)

Such a thing, using POV-Ray would give new meaning to "script".

I love POV-Ray, though rusty, but then again... I mean...

I'm at a loss with that one. Seems as improbable as Enterprise revising Trek cannon successfully. Let's hope it isn't, but not hold our breath either.

The producers of Enterprise OTOH may feel free to hold their breath forever. So I'm a little angry with them. What's the percentage of long time Trek fans who aren't?

FIRST POST (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217696)

suck a dick CmdrTaco

Well.. (1)

Nifrith (860526) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217698)

Maybe, just maybe, it'll be like TOS. Or maybe, just maybe, we'll all go watch reruns of Farscape.
Either way, I'm good.

Good riddance to bad TV (4, Funny)

Flounder (42112) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217701)

One down, reality shows, Friends reruns and 60 Minutes to go.

It's never worked with my parents either (4, Funny)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217707)

"But I'll pay!"

"I'm sorry son, we'll never allow a hooker in this house, and that's final!"

Re:It's never worked with my parents either (4, Funny)

panaceaa (205396) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217813)

Your parents used to pay for hookers to come to your house?

No wonder you chose to live in their basement!

Re:It's never worked with my parents either (1)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217848)

Apartments don't have basements, at least that's what my downstairs neighbor said when I started cutting through.

Re:It's never worked with my parents either (1)

WoBIX (819410) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217948)

Just call them "tutors" and your parents are none the wiser :)

Finally. (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217708)

Finally it's finally final.

but that's not the final word on the it ever?

Re:Finally. (2, Funny)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217833)

Finally it's finally final.

Netcraft confirms it!


OH SNAP (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217729)

Breaking news: Cancelled show cancelled.

Star Trek (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217738)

Fuck Taco. Fuck 'im in the asshole with a big rubber dick!

aww... (1)

ocularDeathRay (760450) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217741)

oh poo.

The real reason (4, Funny)

14erCleaner (745600) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217742)

...was all the counter-offers of money from fans if they DID cancel the series.

Good riddance, if you ask me.

So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217748)

Well, I can't say it really bothers me. And really, who didn't see this coming? However, I think it is unfourtunate that all the effort Enterprise fans put forth was wasted on what was IMO a worthless cause.

Let me be the first to say... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217749)


They are not of the body? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217753)

Cancel Enterprise? Are they not of the body?

I think we should all go find B&B (if you don't know who they are I'm not telling you) and to a recreation from Star Trek II

Slashdoters: So I leave you here, BURIED ALIVE!

how come not this time? (2, Interesting)

UlfGabe (846629) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217757)

Disclaimer: Not a flame, just an observation that a previous version of ST was saved by fans.

How come the legions of fans didn't save Enterprise from the same fate of Star Trek?

Are the fans just less hard core? Or is all that money they sink into merchandice not affecting the bottom line enough?

Re:how come not this time? (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217850)

Because this one sucked, so there were no marketing oppertunities. Actually it was probably because the first one was saved by a huge writing campain, the one to save Enterprise was no where near that.

Maybe it was the suckage.

Nooooooo (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217762)

I thought I heard the muffled cry of milions of geeks from their mothers basements. I pop on Slashdot and it's confirmed.

Too little, Too late (4, Insightful)

vivin (671928) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217772)

Season 3 tried to bring in a good story arc (it was good). Season 4 is pretty good, but it's too little, too late.

Seasons 3 and 4 are what seasons 1 and 2 should have been like. That Cold War temporal thing when NO WHERE.

The first seasons didn't have very gripping episodes. You had the same moral dilemmas and tired clichees and the blatant use of T'Pol (Jolene Blalock) as a sex symbol to attract testosterone-pumped young males. This is something she herself didn't like - Blalock wanted T'Pol to have more depth.

But anyway... Enterprise was interesting at first. It was interesting to see starfleet outmatched against pretty much everyone they met and how they dealt with the situation.

It is certainly sad, but I guess they had their chance. Blame the Diabolical Duo Berman and Bragga. They have the negative Midas effect. Anything they touch turns to crap. Which is why the first few seasons of DS9 were also not that great. It didn't get interesting until Michael Piller took it over and Berman turned his attention to Voyager. The actors in Enterprise, I think, did a decent job.

It lacked in something (1)

digitallife (805599) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217774)

I never got into this Star Trek like the others. Even now, I would still rather watch old repeat episodes of TNG than Enterprise. I think that for all its flaws, TNG really hit it on the head. Voyager still had some of that good stuff too, but Enterprise lost it. Maybe they were trying to appeal to a wider audience or something, i don't know.

Suffice to say, I for one will not really miss it. Give me Firefly back tho!

Rephrase (0, Redundant)

panaceaa (205396) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217778)

"Star Trek Enterprise will be the first Star Trek show since the original series not to run a full seven seasons."

Couldn't this be rephrased in a completely positive way to say: "Star Trek Enterprise is yet another Star Trek show since the original series to run a full six seasons."


Why the negative slant?

Re:Rephrase (5, Funny)

vivin (671928) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217817)

"Star Trek Enterprise is yet another Star Trek show since the original series to run a full six seasons."

Maybe because it's getting cancelled after the fourth season? :)

Re:Rephrase (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217835)

well, its only going to run 4 seasons, the orginal only ran 3, and 7 is the 'normal' run.

thats why you cant rephrase it that way

Re:Rephrase (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217842)

Cause it barely made four seasons.

Re:Rephrase (1)

The Good Reverend (84440) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217843)

Couldn't this be rephrased in a completely positive way to say: "Star Trek Enterprise is yet another Star Trek show since the original series to run a full six seasons.

Because Enterprise only ran 4 seasons, TOS ran 3 seasons, and all the others ran 7 seasons?

Re:Rephrase (1)

panaceaa (205396) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217861)

So it's actually the 2nd show to not run 7 seasons??

Re:Rephrase (1)

panaceaa (205396) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217897)

OH, pardon me. I'm slow today.

I didn't know what your TLA stood for.

Re:Rephrase (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217916)

Yes, that's why the story said:
"Star Trek Enterprise will be the first Star Trek show
since the original series not to run a full seven seasons."

Re:Rephrase (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217937)

Yes, but the first since TOS, meaning in all series which followed TOS.

Why is there such difficulty with this?

Captain its the slashdot effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217781)

Captain, the webpages are loading slower and slower, we have to do something. Right Ensign, Scotty we need more power. (damn, wrong series, so hey what's his name, we need more power.... Hmm, I guess that sums up partly why its going off the air, I only saw the pilot)

SaveVoyager (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217788)

Good. Maybe they can redirect the money to help save the Voyager projects.

Re:SaveVoyager (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217814)

Excellent idea!

I'm just guessing that...... (4, Insightful)

TechnoGrl (322690) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217799)

Paramount might be waiting for Berman's and/or Braga's contracts to expire before they relaunch another ST series again?? Perhaps they want a producer that can create something other than crap? Hellooooo... Coto or Joe??

Maybe they have more neurons then we give them credit for...then again

Well a girl could hope....

Trollin' trollin' trollin'... (1)

Tyler Durden (136036) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217805)

That's OK. Doctor Who's better than Star Trek anyways.


Re:Trollin' trollin' trollin'... (1)

seanyboy (587819) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217969)

It only took 16 years for the BBC to bring Dr Who back, so hopefully we should be seeing more star trek in 2021.

Thank Gord (0, Flamebait)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217807)

Now maybe all this damn whining about a third-rate TV show will stop.

Has Netcraft confirmed it? (1)

Council (514577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217809)

There is still hope; Netcraft has not confirmed the cancelation!

With all that extra money they raised- (1)

Tobias.Davis (844594) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217823)

The nerds can build a really really big basement to live in. Who needs TV when you can re-enact episode by episode the whole Star Trek timeline!

(Note that I am a fan, but I couldn't help it)

They got lazy (2, Insightful)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217831)

Frankly, what killed Enterprise in the end was that same thing that made Voyager suck. The writers, producers, et al got lazy and sucked the meat off a franchise which had a loyal following for many years. They indulged themselves in the stories and forgot to work at producing a good quality show that would keep the fans wanting more and that put the fans first. In the past they didn't have that much compting with them, but the new battlestar galactica, farcape, the new doctor who and other shows that put Enterprise to shame. Manny Coto helped, but by then the damage was done.

When, if, they resurrect the franchise, they best not do so simply because they take the fans for granted and that they feel a suitable period of star trek starvation has passed.

Re:They got lazy (1)

WebHostingGuy (825421) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217993)

I agree. There were actually very few original written episodes. Everything was just a spin-off script from another ST season. If they had different writers with new ideas then it would have taken off. But rehashing the same old holodeck incident, time travel, alternate reality is just the same story, different characters. What makes any television show a blockbuster (or movie) is new ideas written without the tired old hash.

Look at anything which has had a new concept on television and been successful and you will not see any comments like oh, that show is the same as the one which was on years ago.

Obvious (4, Interesting)

Renraku (518261) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217840)

"Paramount has declared that they will not be accepting *any amount of money* from fans to continue to produce Star Trek Enterprise."

This should tell you something important.

Someone at Paramount doesn't like it (2, Insightful)

Darth_Jon (152911) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217841)

Obviously someone at Paramount just doesn't like Star Trek.

Re:Someone at Paramount doesn't like it (2, Interesting)

wheelbarrow (811145) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217901)

They would like 60 minutes of viewing a fish bowl with one fish in it if it sold advertising. This was not the result of anyone's personal grudge. The show did not draw advertisers because the show had low ratings. That is all there is to it.

If you don't like it then why don't you produce your own show that has all of the qualities you loved about Voyager?

Let it die... (0, Flamebait)

redswinglinestapler (841060) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217853)

And give your Enterprise donation money to Africa or Asia. They need the money much more! People will do ANYTHING to avoid the realities of life and substitute in fictional realities these days, it seems...

Re:Let it die... (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217883)

And give your Enterprise donation money to Africa or Asia. They need the money much more!

True, they do need it more, but make sure it's given to someone that actually does something useful, like provides teachers and books or malaria-preventing tents for girls, not just money that will be waylaid by some warlord.

Or invent something useful to help the world with the money.

Re:Let it die... (1)

boingyzain (739759) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217888)

It seems you are forgetting that fiction has an important role in society. It looks like you think that anything fictitious is not worth any effort whatsoever.

But in fact, science fiction and other forms of speculation DO have an important role to play. If you watch PBS a lot (as do I) you know that they will frequently run documentaries on subjects such as the Apollo lunar program. While the documentaries will focus on the 'how it was done' aspect and interview scientists and researchers and other individuals who worked on those projects, they will also sometimes mention the inspiration for them. And it's important to pay attention to those things.

Take the case of Jules Verne, for instance. Verne was a prodigious science fiction writer who imagined Project Apollo to an amazing degree of accuracy -- his ship looked roughly like Apollo's command and service modules, was roughly the same size, carried a three-person crew, was named Columbia, and was launched from the coast of Florida. This is almost exactly how the Apollo program operated by the time the first actual manned lunar mission was launched in 1968 (Apollo 8; no landing actually occurred until 1969.)

Now, while it is true that many people did not believe such a thing was possible (Robert Goddard was laughed at for believing that a rocket would function in a vacuum, for instance) and Verne's stories were dismissed as fantasy (nuclear-powered submarines!? Are you crazy!?) they came true, in time.

Going back to Project Apollo, you may or may not remember that the first few crews to visit the Moon were quarantined upon their return to make sure that there were no dangerous organisms on them or their clothing or in their spacecraft. The fear of a possible contamination of Earth was raised, in part, by Michael Crichton's novel The Andromeda Strain, as well as by points raised by the scientific community. As a result, quarantines continued until we had enough experience with returning Apollo crews to believe that they were no longer necessary. (Apollo 12's recovery of Surveyor hardware, and the subsequent discovery of terrestrial bacteria surviving on some of that equipment, proved that organisms could survive for long periods of time in space.)

We have also been influenced by other major works of science fiction (War of the Worlds' radio broadcast, for instance, has long been held as an example of how we might react to the idea of hostile alien life, and ET is an example of how we could react to more friendly aliens.)

For something to happen, it has to be imagined first. Sometimes, that takes the form of science fiction stories. Not worth it? Far from it. We'll be forever stuck in the present and never stop to imagine what might come in the future without the ideas that come from those who dare to say "Hey, what if this was possible?"

Re:Let it die... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217986)

About 80% of the money donated to charities in Africa are eaten up by corruption, theft, and nepotism. If you're going to do this, make sure it goes to a group that handles everything on its own and doesn't route through the local governments.

Good riddance (1)

secolactico (519805) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217864)

I'm not sorry to see it go. This series was a waste of talent (some of the actors are *way* underrated) on predictable plots and softcore scenes.

But the franchise really needs to rest for a while. Next Generation was great because it was sort of a revival. Maybe a few years from now somebody will come with a great idea for a Star Trek series that doesn't look like its milking the same tired cow.

Old comics book series have gotten big on the big screen. Battlestar Galactica surpassed my expectations. And for the fans, just because it's on hiatus it doesn't mean the franchise will die.

On the other hand, we need new series. Too bad Firefly wasn't better realized. It had great potential.

still inconclusive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217877)

All this confirms about cancellation is that the "show's run on UPN" is over, the only thing new is that they will not accept funds to continue it. It's still true that if they Paramount would shop the damn show, it would be picked up, why they don't want any more money is hard to fathom.

I'm glad they ended the discussions (-1, Redundant)

redswinglinestapler (841060) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217880)

The production cost of the show is hardly the deciding factor for the TV producers. Even if the production was entirely paid for by fans, the fact remains that the viewership is small and ad revenues will be low. They would rather schedule a show in that timeslot which would produce usable ad revenue.

In other words, in order to get them to go for a fan-paid model, you'd have to cover the lost advertisement revenue AS WELL AS the production costs. That's probably going to be over $150 million at least.

My only question (1)

murderlegendre (776042) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217882)

This may be OT, and mod it so (...) if you wish, but: Why is it that we cannot have a prime-time TV Sci-Fi series that does not contain one or more pointless romantic subplots? This is one of the things that really irked me about Enterprise, and kept me from giving a rat's ass about the show. It's as bad as that whole pathetic Riker/Troi thing in TNG.. the whiny dating the pompous.

Does any real Sci-Fi fan care who is banging whom? Let's just all assume they are banging each other, and get on with the relevant content please.

If I hadn't read this /. article, I'd never even have noticed it was gone.

Re:My only question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217999)

Does any real Sci-Fi fan care who is banging whom? Let's just all assume they are banging each other, and get on with the relevant content please.

Regardless of whether your personal experience reflects it or not, sex is a fairly common and significant event in people's lives.

Therefore, it stands to reason that well-told stories that revolve around character development would include the characters having sex with each other from time to time. They might smoke, drink, make bad decisions or have massive awesome space battles, too. That's all part of the deal.

Quantum Leap Storyline (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217885)

I can just see it now. Sam Beckett going back in time and saving Scott Bakula from making the worst career move of his life (After Major League 3, that is).

Obligatory (4, Funny)

SpottedKuh (855161) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217900)

All they need to do is go back in time and kill the Nazis that cancelled the show! ...Oh wait, that's why they're being cancelled...

Let it die the death it so richly deserves (4, Insightful)

redswinglinestapler (841060) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217902)

TOS: enjoyed it in reruns as a kid. Thought the first season ruled, the second season was mostly good, the third season was headed downhill fast. Lesson: the quality (read: intelligence level) of the show's producer(s) matters. TNG: first seasons wildly uneven. Cheesy opticals (FX), unclear story lines, characters were thin at best. Season 5 was generally good. In the end, okay, but cut out about half the episodes. Lesson: quantity does not equal quality. DS9: A great idea, indifferently executed. The whole Bajoran gods idea could have been a fantastic bit of sci-fi, but in the end they just were used as deus ex machina. The introduction of the war story arc (although probably a response to Babylon 5) rescued it and made me actually want to tune in. Lesson: go somewhere with your big idea by giving the writers a framework. Voyager: Interesting idea (lost, out of touch), horribly executed. Janeway was in need of serious medication, as she was at a minimum bipolar. I wouldn't follow her as a leader for a month, much less years. The producers introduced ideas and at the end of the episode would use the "magic reset button" of time warp, tech change, or the jargon of the week. The ship acquired technology which gave it advantages, then the next episode it would be gone and might as well have never existed, to say nothing of frequently suffering damage which should have required time in dock. Utterly uncompelling and frustrating. Lesson: there's no point in having a show if it's not going anywhere with the characters, story or even the technology. Enterprise: I knew that when I heard who would produce that it would be garbage. When I heard the theme song, after cleaning up the vomit, I knew my worst suspicions were nowhere near what they should have been. The time-machine reset button, the unbelievable screwing with the canon, the notion that a ship could be remote controlled all the way from the Romulan Empire..., folks. The idiots who produce it are incapable of doing good work. It's just a money machine to them. Giving them your money is counterproductive. Find someone talented like Joss Whedon or Strasczinsky (sp?) instead. Don't save Enterprise.

SLASHSUCKAGE!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217905)

WA-HOO... maybe some people will get out of there fucking mom's basements and maybe just maybe get laid... And maybe taco will pull that buttplug out of his ass and finally start doing his job

Kinda Sucks (1)

duckfan312 (875584) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217911)

Kinda Sucks for the Fans who actually gave money to the cause they probably won't even get there money back. Star Wars Episode III May 19

-1 old crap everyone (hopefully) already knew (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217923)

Really, can we start instituting mod points for the article itself? Please?

Battlestar: Galactica comment (0, Offtopic)

redswinglinestapler (841060) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217930)

I was immensely against this series before it aired, and most especially because of the changes to Starbuck, which I felt like was akin to rewriting the bible and making Jesus a woman.

I will however be the first to admit I was completely wrong about BS:G.

So far it has been nothing short of brilliant. What has especially impressed me is the overall tone of it. I think it was Ron Moore who said (paraphrasing) that the original series wasn't true to it's own premise... in the original, within a week or so of Caprica being devastated, they were in bars on other planets with other humans, having a blast, generally not acting like the future of the human species hung in the balance. I never thought of it before, but damn it if he wasn't right! I still love the original series, but I do view it in a different light now. The remake has really gotten this right, in the extreme. There is a truly palpabale sense of dread throughout it, and that is fantastic as far as I'm concerned.


This is NOT the best sci-fi show on the air today. It's third, near as I can tell, behind Stargate SG1 and SG:Atlantis. SG1 has been the best for some years now, ever since Babylon 5 went off the air actually. Atlantis has come on unbelievably strong this first season, and I predict here and now we're going to be hailing it's greatness 10 years down the road when it's still chugging along. And it wouldn't surprise me it SG1 was still producing new episodes then too!

And if B5 is still airing in your market, than IT is the best show on TV today.

None of this takes away from how good BS:G has been though. It has completely proved me wrong. Hell, I'm even getting used to the new Starbuck, I think the actress playing her is doing an excellent job in the role. If they can keep this up, it's going to be a fantastic and long ride!

Re:Battlestar: Galactica comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217975)

What the hell? Now /.er dont even read the posts, they just click on things write up a long comment, and hope its somehow related to the actual topic...

Not Exactly Truthful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217942)

Paramount has declared that they will not be accepting any amount of money from fans to continue to produce Star Trek Enterprise

I think what they meant to say is that not enough money has been raised as of yet to save the series and that you're not even close so stop trying. Paramount needn't put on airs like no amount of money would change their minds because we all know that's not true.

Sniff. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217960)

This is what it sounds like when Doves cry.

Lots of money (1)

R0UTE (807673) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217962)

With the $3.2 million they have raised why don't they just finance a star trek project of their own, it probably wouldnt be enough to finance another season of enterprise but if they are that determined they could finance a nice 1st season of something new I would have thought! If they're that desperate of course

Oh what a tragedy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217966)

Er. No, wait. It isn't. Now, I've nothing against Scott Bakula, but the scripts he and the other cast members had to "act" to were atrocious (except maybe
for that short series with Brent Spiner... and even that was bloody stupid american-style heavy handed moralising when you got right down to it). And Worst Theme Song Ever didn't help.

Fly on the Wall (1)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 9 years ago | (#12217973)

I would like to have been in on the meeting that decided to alienate their diehard fans.

It's dead Jim (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12217983)

I'm amazed no one has said it (at least up until the time I started typing this post)!

Toss a drowning man a glass of water... (1)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 9 years ago | (#12218010)

...and someone will try to bring back the bloated corpse to life. This is what Enterprise was about, there's no getting around it, and it deserves to go.

Can we toss Berman out an airlock at the same time?
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