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WiMax Hits 100 mph on Rails to Brighton

samzenpus posted more than 9 years ago | from the network-every-where dept.

Wireless Networking 250

judgecorp writes "T-Mobile has put a Wi-Fi service on the London to Brighton Express commuter service. It uses WiMax (ok, pre-WiMax) for the uplink, and is cheap enough to put on any other long-distance rail service. One interesting thing is that they didn't need to wait for next year's "mobile" WiMax version: the system can handover between base stations at 100mph, using today's pre-WiMax (802.16d) products. The only drawback - in June the free trial ends, and we'll have to pay T-Mobile's high Wi-Fi charges."

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Nonsense (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231757)

100 mph WiMax hits the rails to Brighton
Service uses WiMax uplinks for Wi-Fi on the train

By Peter Judge, Techworld

Commuters from Brighton to London's Victoria station can use free broadband on the train, thanks to a Wi-Fi-and-WiMax service. The Brighton Express is an apt place for a pioneering Wi-Fi service, given Brighton's role as a high-tech media-savvy remote suburb of London (and home of more than one Techworld stalwart), but T-Mobile hopes to make this the standard way to deliver Internet connectivity on the move.

Users get an 802.11b Wi-Fi service in the carriages. A pre-WiMax system from Redline connects from antennas on the carriage roofs to base stations by the side of the track (very much like the non-mobile system at the Science Museum). The service was integrated by Nomad Digital, a WiMax specialist, and will be offered free by T-Mobile for a trial period.

Goodbye to satellites
"This is the first broadband Wi-Fi service on trains in the UK," said Jay Saw, manager for T-Mobile Hotspot, the company's Wi-Fi service. Wi-Fi has previously been provided by satellite based systems, on GNER (Great North Eastern Railway) and Virgin Trains, but the T-Mobile service on Southern Railways' Brighton service gives a fast upload as well as download, he explained.

The service is not actually complete: 37 base stations are in operation, and around 60 will be needed to cover the whole line, explained Nigel Wallbridge, of Nomad Digital. In the meantime, users get continuous service, as the service migrates to GPRS - using three modems per train - when it loses the WiMax signal. When the base stations are all in place, it will be a 60 mile-long hotzone, said Saw.

The service is also limited by the uplinks from the base stations - most of which use commercial ADSL services at up to 2 Mbit/s. "This is the right bottleneck to have," said Wallbridge. "It is easy to upgrade those links, and there is plenty more capacity in the pre-WiMax links, which can go up to 32 Mbit/s."

So far, only one of Southern's Brighton Express trains has Wi-Fi, with another 14 scheduled to get the service as it is rolled out.

No need to wait for mobile WiMax
Surprisingly, the system does not need any of the refinements that are proposed for the mobile version of WiMax, 802.16e, which will not be available till next year. Instead, it uses a standard early implementation of 802.16d, according to Simon Wilder, sales director of Redline.

"Mobile WiMax is being designed with a view to ad hoc connections of mobile laptops," he explained. "In this system, there are a limited number of devices connecting by WiMax, with known IP addresses, and they are moving in a very predictable manner." Redline's equipment gives very good latency handling, he said.

Negotiating access to the cupboardThe companies would not talk about the commercial arrangements, although it costs around £30,000 and 30 man-hours to install equipment on a train, and £5000 to place a base station by the track. Most of the base stations so far have been sited on Southern's railway stations.

Both T-Mobile and Southern clearly see this as a test-bed. Both say they want to expand access on trains, but will wait to see how well the Brighton service is used.

T-Mobile approached Southern asking for a train to experiment with around 15 months ago, and Nomad has developed the service since then. As well as the Wi-Fi access points, The train carries a server, two WiMax routers, a GPS / GPRS box, and an uninterruptible power supply (UPS), all of which fits into a rack in one small cupboard.

One of the trickiest parts of the negotiation was getting access to that cupboard, said Wallbridge: "It used to be where the driver kept his sandwiches, and we had to reach an agreement."

Now the service is announced, usage has been climbing rapidly, with big peaks in the morning rush hour, says Saw. In June, T-Mobile will start charging at its normal rate for Wi-Fi hotspots - £5 per hour, or £13 for a one day pass (which can be used at other T-Mobile hotspots such as Starbucks).

Southern staff will probably be able to sell Wi-Fi vouchers, and leaflets about the service, but technical support will be by phone to T-Mobile.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231749)

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a wish (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231751)

The only drawback - in June the free trial ends, and we'll have to pay T-Mobile's high Wi-Fi charges.

May this not end up as bad as cellphone service.

Trains (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231752)

High charges? On the British rail network?

NEVER!!!

Re:Trains (5, Funny)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231790)

There is no British Rail network. It got broken up and sold off 15 years ago.

And, of course, since private enterprise is always much more efficient than public ownership, that's why today the railways are now safe, clean, cheap and reliable.

Re:Trains (2, Funny)

Juice2504 (744291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231797)

Now if I only had some mod points, thats the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

Re:Trains (3, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231798)

There is no British Rail network, but there is still a British rail network. Check the capitalisation. The first implies a network for "British Rail". The second implies a rail network that is British.

Re:Trains (1)

alexandreracine (859693) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231996)

There is no British Rail network, but there is still a British rail network. Check the capitalisation.
So... they do use Linux.

Re:Trains (4, Informative)

l-ascorbic (200822) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231841)

You'll notice the gp wrote "British rail network" not "British Rail network". Of course there's a British rail network. It runs on track owned by Network Rail, with services operated by the TOCs. It may have many owners, but there's still a network. You can still use one ticket to travel between any two stations in the country.

Re:Trains (1)

alanthenerd (639252) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231954)

You can still use one ticket to travel between any two stations in the country

Assuminng there are no cancelations, engineering works, lorries hitting bridges, etc.

Re:Trains (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12232008)

Its just rather unfortunate that none of the staff know what that ticket is, nor how much it costs.

And it often takes longer to buy the ticket than to make the journey (eg Finsbury Park to Welwyn Garden City - 30 minutes queue for ticket, 30 minutes journey time - if the wind is blowing the right way, and the driver was not abducted by aliens.)

---
Ohh, the diodes in my left leg ...

Re:Trains (5, Insightful)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231870)

My sarcasm detector is off the scale...

The government subsidy to the railways has just about trebled since privatisation, IIRC. Private enterprise efficiency my arse.

If you're ever bored on a British train, find a ticket inspector who looks old enough to have been working since before privatisation and ask them if they prefer working for the privatised company.

T-Mobile is German (1)

hughk (248126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231804)

T-Mobile is the mobile spin-off from Deutsche Telekom. They are active in many countries, and overcharge in all of them!!!!

Re:Trains (1)

sonoluminescence (709395) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231927)

The charges may be high but at least the wi-fi is here on time, or even early!

The trains on the other hand...

Demand should lead supply (1, Redundant)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231755)

If the service is this easy to implement it should only be a matter of time before railway equipment manufacturers like Alsthom offer trains with wifi preinstalled. That should break T-mobiles extortionate charges.

Re:Demand should lead supply (4, Funny)

pklong (323451) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231793)

Bah ha ha ha. That would involve someone other than Branson buying new trains (not that it's improved service. Bransons 15 minutes off the journey doesn't help you when your journey is an hour late. Like on Saturday, and the seats are uncomfortable as well.).

Besides the rust holes on the roof improve the WiMax signal reception.

I've recently figured out why the South East is sticking to the ancient third rail system in use, despite the low maximum speed possible using it. It's so when we finally become a fully fledged third world country people will be able to ride on the roof of trains, just like you see in travel documentaries.

Re:Demand should lead supply (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231836)

hmm i thought it was more because of the huge costs of changing the system to overhead.

i'm not sure about south east but iirc south wests (who also use third rail) main areas aren't more than a couple of hours from london anyway.

btw io agree tyhe seats on the virgin voyagers and supervoyagers aren't very comfortable never been on one of the pendelinos

Re:Demand should lead supply (2, Informative)

pklong (323451) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231895)

The south west is simply not electrified, you mean the south. I come from North Devon and believe me it's the back of beyond. It's a wonder the trains are not pulled by horses. Modern innovations like cable TV and large multiplexes are unknown.

The Pendolinos are just like the voyagers and supervoyagers except they are a little bigger inside. They are fast though, really fast. You really appreachiate the difference when you go to London on one and come back on one of Bransons relics.

Re:Demand should lead supply (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231884)

I've recently figured out why the South East is sticking to the ancient third rail system in use, despite the low maximum speed possible using it. It's so when we finally become a fully fledged third world country people will be able to ride on the roof of trains, just like you see in travel documentaries.

hmmm... Are you aware of tunnels?

Re:Demand should lead supply (3, Funny)

pklong (323451) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231905)

Yes. They would be very effective at pushing up the revenue per passenger if you put all the second class travellers on the roof.

Re:Demand should lead supply (2, Interesting)

damyata (838569) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231915)

"I've recently figured out why the South East is sticking to the ancient third rail system in use, despite the low maximum speed possible using it."

I can't remember the source, but I read that the low maximum speed is due to adjacent lines being too close. If the trains went even as fast as high speed British trains on those tracks, regardless of power supply, the force of the air displacement on trains passing each other would be too great. Fixing this would obviously be a much bigger job than changing the power system (re-laying at least half the tracks, widening the space available to the railway etc.)

Re:Demand should lead supply (1)

pklong (323451) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231988)

I can believe that. I was on a Thameslink train once (heading out of Luton, overhead power but it switched to third rail somewhere along the way, didn't even notice!) and another train passed in the other direction. I was in that semi hypnotic state you can get into on a train (when its not full of screaming kids or drunk football hooligans*). Believe me the thing shuddered so violently I was quickly brought back to reality.

* Why do we have to put up with this.

Re:Demand should lead supply (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231928)

3rd rail....

Why don't they just use ADSL over power line technology instead of fixed radio base stations? The power source is DC and around 750 volt if I recall correctly, shouldn't be difficult to get a stable carrier signal over that.

Re:Demand should lead supply (1)

pklong (323451) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231939)

Interference? Have you seen how many blue flashes you get are the train rumbles along the line over gaps etc.

Re:Demand should lead supply (2, Insightful)

akadruid (606405) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231989)

That would only work until the next bridge, a lot of the bridges on the london-brighton line have less than a foot of clearance... better learn to duck fast.

There is a financial incentive to get new trains, just not _good_ new trains. Which is why the Southern/Thameslink area has a large number of the ultra cheap cattletruck 5 across electrostar trains, the ones that are almost worse than the 60s slam doors. The incentive is this: electric doors don't open once the driver hits the button. So instead of requiring inadequate platform staff that abuse the passengers, you can have no platform staff at all - a big cost saving.

Re:Demand should lead supply (1)

pklong (323451) | more than 9 years ago | (#12232006)

Driver only operation is a pet hate of mine. They sack all of the staff then half of all the travellers don't bother buying a ticket. Worse still kids run riot. It's really safe after dark...

Then whenever (frequently) the trains get covered in graffiti the company complains like crazy about the tens of thousands of pounds it costs to take the train out of service and clean it up.

Re:Demand should lead supply (1)

MartinB (51897) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231969)

If the service is this easy to implement it should only be a matter of time before railway equipment manufacturers like Alsthom offer trains with wifi preinstalled. That should break T-mobiles extortionate charges.

Where are they going to get the network service from, them? One of the wireless operators, right?

100 mph? (4, Funny)

The New Andy (873493) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231759)

Call me once they get it working on those German trains that Einstein used to ride to work - the ones travelling near the speed of light.

In a battle between WiMax and Doppler shift, I'm putting my money on Doppler.

Re:100 mph? (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231931)

Anyone who does not understand the parent's reference owes it to themselves to look into the matter. Einstein's train thought experiment is the key to gaining a true insight into Special Relativity, particularly why it must be true if Maxwell's equation is true.

Here's the best site I've been able to find on the matter after investing nearly several seconds on Google:

http://www.tjonard.ws/SR.html

KFG

Great (5, Interesting)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231761)

If my experience of the London-Brighton line is anything to go by, the money would be much better spent :
i) installing more seats or adding extra carriages
ii) actually cleaning the inside of the trains from time to time.

It's no use getting a WiFi connection if you have to stand up the whole bloody way.

Securities (1)

tehshen (794722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231801)

If you have to stand up the whole bloody way, there's a good risk of people seeing your lovely wifi laptop and stealing it or your bag once you get off. It's no use getting a WiFi connection if you can't use it, just to be safe.

Re:Great (2, Insightful)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231807)

So how do you propose persuading T-Mobile to spend their money on improving the train service instead of offering communications services?

It's like the people who complained about The Gimp being "skinnable" when there is still some Photoshop functionality missing. Programmers who specialise in UI design aren't going to drop it and learn all about image composition techniques. We don't have a centralised command economy in the UK, or in the open source community.

Re:Great (3, Informative)

linuxpoweredtrekkie (659492) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231840)

They are currently in the process of replacing all the trains on the london to brighton line with nice new ones, which are a lot better.
It is a very busy line however, at peak times people are bound to have to stand no matter how many seats there are.

Re:Great (3, Informative)

goldfishbrains (703767) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231986)

Coming from London, and having studied at Sussex Uni [sussex.ac.uk] for the last few years,(so i use the southern mainline quite a bit) I can say that i've not had any real problem with the service.
Over the last two years they've replaced the rolling stock with new trains (tho not as nice as the Virgin Trains). I've not noticed the trains getting over crowded (only sometimes at peak hrs between East Croydon + London Victoria ... about 15mins). And there's usually someone walking up/down the train collecting rubbish.
The only gripes i've had are the weekend engineering works, which always seem to fall on days i want to travel. But since the bus driver's are normally happy to drop us off before the station, its a shorter walk home :)

How queer... (3, Funny)

Sirch (82595) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231769)

"The Brighton Express is an apt place for a pioneering Wi-Fi service, given Brighton's role as a high-tech media-savvy remote suburb of London"

Since when has Brighton been a "high-tech media-savvy remote suburb of London"? As far as I'm aware, the only thing Brighton's particularly renowned (infamous) for is its status as the UK's San Francisco...

Re:How queer... (1)

BladeMelbourne (518866) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231781)

I'm working at Amex House in Brighton.

I wouldn't use "high-tech media-savvy" to describe anything I have seen in this town.

I do enjoy free wi-fi at the Thistle Hotel where I am living :-)

Re:How queer... (1)

tehshen (794722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231784)

The Thistle Hotel is well and good but you must experience the best wi-fi spots out at sea :D

Re:How queer... (1)

elFarto the 2nd (709099) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231897)

I feel sorry for you, I used to work there (altho I didn't actually work for Amex, I was a contractor). I feel sorry for you if you work in the call center

Regards
elFarto

Re:How queer... (1)

IainMH (176964) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231904)

That's because you haven't gone to the right bits yet.

Amex is by the nastiest parts of Brighton.

I've lived in Brighton for 8 years. The last two about 300 metres away from your building. It's not very nice around here. I'm moving back to the Hove end asap. The only nice bit of Kemptown is the seafront.

Re:How queer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231945)

Hove actually then :-)

Re:How queer... (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231947)

It's not all that bad down that way. I went to school near there (Brighton College, Eastern road) and pupils did used to get beaten up occasionally on the way to the sports ground, but generally it wasn't too bad. Just don't get lost and end up in Whitehawk.

Re:How queer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231972)

Lived in Kemptown for years...it's sooo nasty that that's why Cate Blanchett lives here along with Gaz Coombs from Supergrass and bunch of other singers, actors and so on.......

Re:How queer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231975)

That would be because you went to brighton college, not because it's a rough area

Re:How queer... (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231998)

Maybe so. It's hardly Roedean though. I do remember groups of local residents used to stand and gawp while we did drill in the main quad, though.

Re:How queer... (3, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231786)

Since when has Brighton been a "high-tech media-savvy remote suburb of London"?

Since the mid 90's. It has a considerable prescence of internet providers and web based companies, as well as the European HQ of American Express.

As for "a remote suburb of London" - No idea where that came from. Probably ignorant Londoners who are unable to comprehend that something interesting might happen outside of London.

Re:How queer... (1)

IainMH (176964) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231913)

Indeed - and how can a city be a suburb of anywhere?

Re:How queer... (2, Insightful)

megan_of_wutai (649071) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231971)

It's a commuter suburb, many people who work in London live there.

Re:How queer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231791)

You mean apart from the propensity for (alleged) arson?

Re:How queer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231879)

Well I work in Brighton doing hardcore J2EE development for a financial services software house.
There are a large number of highly skilled, tech savvy people in Brighton and if you can get away from the commute to London as well it is fantastic!

Re:How queer... (1)

elyobelyob (844203) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231906)

I've known quite a few people who commute from Brighton into central London. If I did that daily, i'd be happy to get sine stuff done in that hour. Hastings, just down the road from Brighton, has had a private co-op wireless network for some time http://www.feeed.net/ [feeed.net] [feeed.net], which must make the area cutting edge!

Re:How queer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231937)

One in Brighton too http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3068915.stm

Re:How queer... (1)

IainMH (176964) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231935)

And Southampton is the UK's Fresno..

Re:How queer... (2, Insightful)

megan_of_wutai (649071) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231959)

Since approximately the beginning of the 19th century.

Re:How queer... (2, Interesting)

Golygydd Max (821422) | more than 9 years ago | (#12232001)

One thing that we born and raised Brightonians do hate hearing is that Brighton is some suburb of London or, even worse, London-by-the-sea. It has a culture all of its own. A Wi-Fi service sounds good in principle but as I, and 100s of others, frequently stand on the London-Brighton trains, I think there's limited opportunity to do any work.

Re:How queer... (2, Informative)

peterpi (585134) | more than 9 years ago | (#12232012)

This Brightonian is currently working here [semantico.com] , and used to work here [climaxgroup.com] .

It's closer to central London in terms of journey time than many places inside Greater London.

100mph? (5, Funny)

gallondr00nk (868673) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231777)

Never mind the wi-fi, I'm impressed by the fact that a UK train reached 100mph in the first place.

Re:100mph? (3, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231808)

Intercity trains can go at 125mph. Be aware, however, that this is roughly analogous to the GFLOPS numbers quoted by CPU manufacturers, i.e. down hill, with a training wind and no passengers. The existence of weather (any weather) seems to have a significant adverse affect on their ability to move.

Re:100mph? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231940)

.. one cool thing about the newer trains in finland is that while on one you can see current speed from a display.

Re:100mph? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231999)

Actually, downhill, with a trailing wind, and with a full load of passengers would produce a more flattering top speed.

Re:100mph? (2, Interesting)

Alioth (221270) | more than 9 years ago | (#12232010)

Actually, the HST (InterCity 125) can do 140mph on the level with a full load of passengers, it's been done - they are still the world's fastest diesel train. In normal use they are limited to 125mph.

Re:100mph? (2, Funny)

Tx (96709) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231820)

UK trains have no problem going fast, it's avoiding other trains [telegraph.co.uk] that's a problem.

Re:100mph? (1)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231995)

Insightful? Give me a break. The vast majority of rail incidents (Great Heck, Ufton Nervet) are caused by careless drivers who end up parked on the line. Since the Paddington rail crash, full ATP (automatic train protection) was installed on the Great Western route, and TPWS (inferior but still effective) has been installed on the remainder on the network.

Re:100mph? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231837)

Especially on the London - Brighton line. It's nothing but old, slow, creaky commuter trains packed with people trying to reach Gatwick.

The Gatwick "express" from Redding is the best joke though. Unless you're using it; that isn't so funny.

Re:100mph? (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231977)

Where the hell is Redding? Do you mean Reading? I imagine its quite a journey from there to Gatwick, involving several changes, the quickest route is most likely into Paddington then tube to Victoria where you can catch the only "Gatwick Express" I know of.

Re:100mph? (2, Informative)

pklong (323451) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231858)

I'm impressed it reaced 100kph. I'm even more impressed they managed to get the driver to give up his sandwich shelf.

Now seriously Branson has had his trains touching on 140mph for a while now. The Eurostar runs at 186 mph this side of the channel. The record is 208 mph in the UK on a Eurostar test run.

The Intercity 125 is an exceptional train as important as trains like the Flying Scotsman. It is the reason so little of the UK is electrified. Still very much in use today it can reach 125mph, quite execeptional for a Diesel.

Past generations converted hundreds of miles of wide gauge track in the southwest was to standard gauge in a weekend. The victorians built hundreds of miles the Edinburgh to Inverness line in two years, why does it take so long to replace worn out rails today with modern equipment like JCB's and tunnel boring machines.

Re:100mph? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231994)

Past generations converted hundreds of miles of wide gauge track in the southwest was to standard gauge in a weekend. The victorians built hundreds of miles the Edinburgh to Inverness line in two years, why does it take so long to replace worn out rails today with modern equipment like JCB's and tunnel boring machines.

Money?

Re:100mph? (4, Interesting)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#12232011)

Never mind the wi-fi, I'm impressed by the fact that a UK train reached 100mph in the first place.
We had 100MPH trains [wikipedia.org] back when American Railroads major passengers were migrant workers fleeing the Great Depression.

Yet another WiFi story... (4, Insightful)

gozu (541069) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231779)

Am I the only one getting tired of all these uninteresting stories about WiFi being available here or there?

Yes, you can bridge hundreds of wireless routers and have humongous hot spots, yes you can get WiFi on moving spaces, yes you can go to the desert and have a connection over large distances and maybe beat this week's world record.

We know that.We really do. WiFi is great, it's this awesome magic thing that allows you to download the interweb out of thin air. Now knock it the hell off.

Thanks you.

Re:Yet another WiFi story... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231813)

someone forget to take his lithium this morning?

Re:Yet another WiFi story... (1)

markild (862998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231834)

I agree! I have yet to see one of these so called great new ideas work for the common person, without having to pay a greatly overpriced fee. Everytime one of these idea-making companies makes a revolutionary new concept, they simultaniously incorporates it, so that no one else can use the cheap technology at a cheap fee.

Re:Yet another WiFi story... (1)

MooseGuy529 (578473) | more than 9 years ago | (#12232002)

Um, this isn't about standard WiFi. It's about WiMax, which is a new technology. It's not just showing that a large WiFi network can be created with hundreds of access points, it's showing how well a new technology works. Standard WiFi probably can't roam between AP's at 100 mph, let alone communicate. (It can hardly do it at normal driving speeds!)

Commercial WiFi Clue-By-Four (4, Interesting)

MrNonchalant (767683) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231780)

When will T-Mobile, SBC, Telarama, et al all realize their wifi business model sucks? I mean seriously, 5 bucks an hour, 20 bucks a month? For scattered coffee shops and book stores that I maybe frequent once a week? None of them has anything near enough coverage to make a subscription worth my while and their hourly rates are way too high. Maybe for a certain sector of the populace, those earning six figures and those who spend a lot of time in coffee shops, this is acceptable, but to middle america (where the real money is) it stinks. Maybe if they all pulled their resources and allowed me to log into any of their collective hot spots for a reasonable (~$15) monthly fee I'd consider it.

Re:Commercial WiFi Clue-By-Four (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231799)

Maybe if they all pulled their resources...

Pooled.

T-Mobile is a mobile services provider (1)

hughk (248126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231812)

WiFi is much cheaper to roll out than, for example, UMTS or GPRS data. However they don't want to undermine their cellular data business model.

Re:Commercial WiFi Clue-By-Four (1)

loraksus (171574) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231817)

Yeah, but that would *gasp* mean working together with a competitor.

Re:Commercial WiFi Clue-By-Four (3, Interesting)

MoralHazard (447833) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231887)

For another perspective...

I think T-Mobile's rates are just fine, thank you. And it's probably not just because I have a job.

Seriously, one person (or even many people) with the opinion that the pricing is too high for too little doesn't mean that a business model sucks! Last I heard, T-Mobile's hotspot subscriptions were doing pretty damn well. One of the reasons why the hourly rate is so high is to encourage people who use it more than rarely to subscribe, which helps even out the revenue stream and usage patterns. This is just like cellphone billing--plan minutes are loads cheaper per minute than overtime minutes because they want to impose a cost on you for being unpredictable.

As long as they have enough people who pay the freight, bitching or not, nobody else can say that the price is too high to be a "good business model".

Then again, I come from NYC. When I went to LA for the NBA all-star game last year, I remember driving down Figueroa St., about 1/2 block from the Staples Center, and seeing signs for $20 parking spots 1 hour before gametime. I literally said to myself "$20? What a deal! How can these not be taken this late before the game!" Turns out it was because LA people consider $20 for parking to be a ripoff. In NYC, that's kind of a steal.

Re:Commercial WiFi Clue-By-Four (1)

loraksus (171574) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231957)

Well, subscribing to one isn't too bad, but the fact of the matter is in a couple days you'll be somewhere else and you'll have to get onto a competitor's network if you want access.

My point is that if you have to drive around looking for a hotspot that your month long password works with, you might as well just look for something that is free via nodedb or something.
There are a ton of free APs out there. Sure, they might not be as obvious as a starbucks, but if you're not downtown, finding a starbucks can take a while if you're in a new place.

middle america (where the real money is) (2, Interesting)

godless dave (844089) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231950)

Middle America is not where the real money is. The real money is in the 2% or so of the population who have the lion's share of the wealth. Middle America's job is to help the people at the top get richer. It's the 19th Century all over again.

Anything innovation like that in the US? (1)

tech-hawger (874902) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231782)

You always here how other countries implement newer standards or make the technology leaps a lot earlier than we in the US do. I wish we would catch up. I guess that story about downtown Philadelphia getting wired and making it available for all at a somewhat reasonable price is good news but it wasn't WiMax I don't believe. I wonder how much this service will cost after the free period is up.

High Wi-fi Charges (4, Insightful)

shashark (836922) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231785)

"and we'll have to pay T-Mobile's high Wi-Fi charges"

There goes another brilliant service down the drain.

High User Access Charges: The reason why services like these remain hugely unpopular.

Irony though is, service providers spend a fraction of what they earn over these services. Yet the "its-a-premium-service-hence-we-milk-you" syndrome keeps them from bringing the charges down. When will the service providers understand that term premium is only notional. Mobile was a luxury only 10 years ago -- now a country like India as 100mn cell users -- why ? because its low-cost.

Price is an entry barrier -- and high prices let less and less people use a service, and recommend it to other users. I just hope T-mobile understands that and keep the charges minimal, so that more users use it. And OEMs can provide more cheap solutions leveraging the service -- like wi-fi for train-staff communication.

Re:High Wi-fi Charges (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231828)

and the fun part is that anywhewre there is a "pay" service, I can with airsnort find you an open free AP to use.

the local starbucks is that way... sit by the windows and get a free open AP connection from the pottery barn.

screw em. wifi access in public shoud be $0.25 per 10 minutes or a $1.00 a hour and you get a free hour with your latte...

I just got a new job in London \o/ (1)

Tetsugaku-San (717792) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231821)

Working at Tiscali in London and living in Brighton, this now means I'll be able to get my PSP and do some multiplayer online gaming from the comfort of my seat - oh happy days. Unfortunately I have to pay £3960 per year to *GET* to london from Brighton every day (50 miles for those not in the know), but atleast this will make the trip a little easier to handle :) (wondor what my ping will be?)

Re:I just got a new job in London \o/ (1)

gollypoos (680355) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231868)

Whoa! Thats steep, I travel from Salzburg to my work every day (60km) for the annual charge of 980 Euros. I suppose Austrian rail is subsidised to a certain degree but a factor of 4 for a price per km is amazing, I hope you're getting your london bonus.

Re:I just got a new job in London \o/ (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231886)

British rail companies get something like £3 billion/year in subsidy. The current system was set up in a hurry by a departing Conservative (right wing) administration and has led to years of disruption and rail crashes.

Speed must be wrong........ (-1, Flamebait)

adders (191568) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231846)

We are talking about the UK Train network.

The maximum speeds is somewhere around 60MPH!!!

Re:Speed must be wrong........ (2, Informative)

The Grassy Knoll (112931) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231916)

>The maximum speeds is somewhere around 60MPH!!!

Trolling rubbish

"The Inter-City 225 is the fastest train running in the UK. 225 refers to its maximum speed of 225 km/h 140 mph. This train operates on the East Coast Mainline." (www.o-keating.com)

Re:Speed must be wrong........ (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231955)

True.

However, the London-South Coast trains are limited to about 60mph. Might be a bit higher but nowhere near 140.

More technological marvels on the Brighton line... (1)

vilms (106676) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231856)

On these trains, door-opening is controlled by GPS. This is GREAT when the train is stationed in the open air, not so good when the train is standing under the concrete sarcophagus that is Victoria Station.

Three Bridges (5, Funny)

phil-trick (24853) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231863)

Great, now I can stand on the platform at Three Bridges and get WiFi access for free for a few seco...

Re:Three Bridges (1)

silverburn (860654) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231921)

This is a message for all passengers waiting on the platform at Three bridges - your service to oblivion central station has been cancelled.

The next training to oblivion central station will be arriving tomorrow at 3.14pm or 2 minutes after you top yourself - whichever event happens first.

Has anyone actually got it to work? (1)

IainMH (176964) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231890)

I've tried twice but I haven't got it working yet.

& just what are the 'breached' servers running (-1, Troll)

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I have a T-mobile Hotspot account... (3, Interesting)

An Ominous Cow Erred (28892) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231902)

I have it because it's my primary internet connection. I live one block from a hotspot and I get it from my house. $30/month for a T1 (that almost nobody else uses) is not that bad even though it's NAT'd.

The account is good at thousands of hotspots world wide (including, I assume, this train one), so really it's a pretty good deal.

I've been thinking of getting a Sidekick -- then the fee for a TMob Hotspot account would drop to $20. =P

(Just to stress that I'm not astroturfing here -- I don't think I'd pay for this service if it weren't my primary internet connection at home... There's lots of free hotspots available at all sorts of businesses and public places... but if I traveled a lot more and were well-payed, I think I'd do it.)

GNER has been doing this for a year (2, Informative)

ISoldMyLowIdOnEbay (802697) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231911)

Their rains are nicer (and faster) too. Still costs £8/hr unless you are in First Class (in which case it is "free"), but that isn't too bad if you are working - not so good for personal use though. They are one of the better train companies although £124 to travel from Leeds to London in peak hours isn't cheap!

Lawsuit pending (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12231944)

I fucked your dad.

Big in Japan (1)

hachete (473378) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231952)

Do Japanese trains offer Wifi? I bet Eurostar - hang, on I bet everyone else with High Speed trains offers WiFi. Is this some kind of subtle taunt?

Re:Big in Japan (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#12231960)

* Do Japanese trains offer Wifi? I bet Eurostar - hang, on I bet everyone else with High Speed trains offers WiFi. Is this some kind of subtle taunt?*

100mph isn't really high speed with trains anymore(more of a 'normal' speed with modern trains) - and no, they don't offer wifi at "everyone else".

How romantic! (1)

Sly Mongoose (15286) | more than 9 years ago | (#12232000)

Setting off on a Dirty Weekend with your WiMax hardware for company.....

Mega cool (1)

flajann (658201) | more than 9 years ago | (#12232007)

Soon, all human nodes on this planet will be interconnected 24/7. Then, the 2nd phase of assimiliation will begin.

- Locutus

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