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Slashback: Pie, Election, Alarm

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the irs-is-a-nest-of-worms dept.

Slashback 158

Slashback this evening with another batch of updates and responses to previous Slashdot posts, including: how Firefox users can avoid post-cookie Web tracking (for now), more on open-source graphics drivers, and an alarm clock that sounds perfect for annoying a spouse. Read on for the details.

Does he feel like Reese Witherspoon? Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier writes "After many years of trying, Branden Robinson has finally won the Debian Project Leader election. Linux Magazine has an in-depth interview with Robinson about his plans as DPL, the problems that face Debian, and what it's like to finally win the election."

(We mentioned Robinson's election a few days ago.)

In lieu of perfection, fixability is a good start. gyardley writes "After discovering that a company called United Virtualities was making use of Flash's Local Shared Objects to silently restore my deleted cookies, I decided to combat this marketer behavior with a Firefox extension.

Objection 0.1 adds a 'Local Shared Objects' line to Firefox's Options > Privacy panel, allowing you to delete them as easily as you'd delete cookies. It's still pretty rudimentary - all or nothing deletion, working on Windows only - but Slashdotters are more than welcome to improve it. Since Local Shared Objects have the same functionality as cookies, we need the same amount of control over them as we do over cookies - and built into the browser, not tucked away in some obscure Macromedia page."

Sure, come on in, there's still some punch and snacks left, I think. orv writes "The Unichrome project has issued a response to VIA's recent open source announcement covered on Slashdot.

The response (and further comment) clarifies the current Unichrome driver situation and whilst welcoming VIA's move suggests that VIA should become more involved in existing open source projects rather than simply issuing repeated grand sounding press releases. The Unichrome project has provided and supported a full open source driver, including MPEG support, for the Unichrome and Unichrome Pro chipsets for the past two years."

But this implies that 'perky' is the desired state. dhalsim2 writes "Yahoo reports of a Smart Alarm Clock Set for Perky Wakeups. On the heels of Clocky comes this new alarm clock that will monitor a sleeper's brain waves to determine the best time to wake him up. The device uses a microprocessor within a headband that wirelessly transmits brainwaves to the clock. When the person is in a light sleep and is likely to wake up 'perky,' the alarm will go off. Brain wave monitoring? Sounds a lot like Plankton's Plan Z."

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Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12239963)

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Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups (4, Funny)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 9 years ago | (#12239999)

on the heels of this, comes news of a Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups ...

Yes, but make sure you don't get the Darth Vader edition of the Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups.

That one not only reads your brain waves, but instead of adjusting itself to help you, it uses the dark side of alarm clock force to ring just a little bit too much ... and then on alternate Tuesdays it doesn't wake you up at all and laughs in an evil way when you finally regain conciousness ... plus it always broadcasts CNN.

Re:Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240142)

CNN isn't a radio station. If you had said "always broadcasts a Clear Channel station", it would have made sense. :)

Re:Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups (1)

filmnorthflorida (445748) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240215)

Many markets do in fact have CNN on the radio. My hometown, for instance. It's just an audio feed of CNN HN, plus some local ads and a smidgen of specially produced content, but it does exist.

CNN Radio homepage [cnnradionet.com]

Re:Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240261)

Nice hit on the evil empire of Clear Channel Communications. I think they are an evil empire. Did I say I think they are evil? And by the way: This is completly false [clearchannel.com] Except the one part about the Pro-war rallies, its the only redeeming thing they have done.

Smart Alarm Clock for Yuppy Wakeups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240156)

I don't know about anyone else but I DON'T NEED PERKY WAKEUPS! I prefer to roll over, smack the clock, and roll right back to sleep.

Re:Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240213)

Well, the real problem is that I only wake up perky after 11:00AM. I woudln't object but my boss might.

Best. Alarm Clock. Ever! (4, Informative)

Indy Media Watch (823624) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240290)

Clocky [mit.edu] is a clock for people who have trouble getting out of bed. When the snooze bar is pressed, Clocky rolls off the table and finds a hiding spot, a new one every day.

Re:Best. Alarm Clock. Ever! (2)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240717)

When the snooze bar is pressed, Clocky rolls off the table and finds a hiding spot, a new one every day.

I really don't get the idea behind that. When I need to get up, I set a second alarm on the other side of the room (these days it's "at x:yyam\n xmms -p" on the command line, but same idea). I have to get up to turn it off, regardless of whether it "hides" or not.

First one wakes me up, I turn it off and snooze for ten, second one fires off and I have to get up to turn it off. Very simple.

Re:Best. Alarm Clock. Ever! (2, Informative)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240999)

xmms has a plugin for this, called "Alarm." It might be easier for you to set the alarm once for the whole week (different times for each day...)

Re:Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240300)

"Watch out for this alarm clock. It'll make you feel perky."
"Well what's wrong with feeling perky?"
"Ask a pot of coffee."

Re:Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups (3, Funny)

swimin (828756) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240347)

The reality is far worse, it tunes into Fox news, and if that can't be found,it randomly chooses between NPR, and NOAA weather radio.

AHH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240001)

What happen?! Somebody set up us the bomb?! A conglomeration of articles! Impossible?

slashback is gay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240004)

stupid niggers.

Broken Link (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240006)

The unichrome link is broken:

http://unichrome.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

Re:Broken Link (1)

bosewicht (805330) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240036)

rightclick the file and "save as" then open it with firefox locally. It's works

The whole PIE thing really bugs me (5, Interesting)

jessmeister (225593) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240011)

I have blogged on this repeatedly and even mentioned a good article [dynadco.com] which should give some perspective on this whole cookie question. Its not that cookies are such a bad thing when used correctly. Some people dont want to use them and thats fine. For them let them log in repeatedly and see ads that arent relevant or contextual to what they have been doing or watching. Coming up with another way of tracking users isnt the problem. The problem is that users are scared of the tracking. Educate the masses on the benefits and advertisers would see positive results. Who knows maybe they wouldnt have to resort to making ever more annoying advertisements just to try and snare my attention.

The whole business thing really bugs me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240173)

"Who knows maybe they wouldnt have to resort to making ever more annoying advertisements just to try and snare my attention."

Going out of business will take care of that.

In fact a lot of problems will go away if that happens.

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (-1, Troll)

(54)T-Dub (642521) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240202)

Ahh thank you. As a web developer I can't tell you how annoying it is that people put their security settings on High. Thus disabling cookies and javascript. Grrrrrrr. So dumb. Cookies. Have. Nothing. to do. With. Adware! "Eh?" you say? "But i thought cookies were teh evil?" Oh gee. Some advertiser knows that I've spent 40% of my surftime on /. ..... scary. WHO CARES!?!?!?! Now if we taught the masses about browser exploits and downloading "free" software/porn it would be a different story. It would relieve all of our inboxes from a little zombie spam. Sheesh. Such a red herring [wikipedia.org] .

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (3, Interesting)

An Ominous Cow Erred (28892) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240294)

It's just I really DON'T want people knowing I spend 40% of my time on slashdot. I don't have a reason in particular, I just DON'T. I place a significant value on NOT having information about be spread willy nilly everwhere.

Regarding Javascript, I REALLY don't like the idea of my browser automatically running code that someone else has written without me having the chance to check it out first. I don't think javascript is evil as a language, I just don't like the idea of going to a website and blindly running code from there. I don't care that it's in a sandbox -- all it takes is one exploit for the code to break its way out of the sandbox and boom. (And hopefully I'm running Linux and the developer is too focused on Win32 for his payload to do anything once it's out of javascriptland, but you never know.)

Seriously, I'm never going to put instant, blind trust in anything online until I've checked it out first, and even then on general principles I won't enable cookies or jscript unless there's a compelling reason to do so.

(3 the session-only feature in Moz browsers) =D

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240313)

Cookies. Have. Nothing. to do. With. Adware! "Eh?" you say? "But i thought cookies were teh evil?"

I dunno. Perhaps you could be so kind as to educate the audience.

Why is it when I do random web surfing, web sites are able to detect my email addresses and turn around and spam me ON TOPIC within a day or two after the fact? I blame cookies. Am I wrong in this? Thanks.

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (3, Informative)

jessmeister (225593) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240431)

There is no way that a cookie is relaying your email information. They only way a site can even look at a cookie is if they set it. Otherwise its a no go. The only way a cookie could contain your email address is you gave it previously to that site. In which case thats the source of your spam

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240699)

Sorry, i'm not an email slut :-) It's simply damn odd that my professional email gets dinged after browsing web sites. Maybe it's crackers. Hmm. Thanks.

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240943)

Do I infer correctly that cookies must be tied to the ip of the site placing them in order to be retrieved?

If so, then what's to stop sites from working with 3rd parties who place the cookies exchange data with the site?

So:

1) I go to A and provide my e-mail address
2) While at A, through a link, C places a cookie
3) A then passes the e-mail address to C
4) I now visit B, also working with C
5) a link on B's page allows C to retrieve its cookie
6) C tells B "here's the e-mail address".
7) (I'm sorry for this one, but) C Profits.

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (1)

whitehatlurker (867714) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240381)

Well, as a web viewer, I have to ask - "why do you need to use cookies and javascript?"

If I want to browse with Lynx, and miss your fancy graphics and stuff, Why. Do. You. Care?

Why do you need to know that I spend 94.3% of my time on /., particularly when you also (think you) know my employer? (If I have /. open in a tab in the background all day ... what does that prove?)

I don't know what sites you've developed, but I think that, in general, web developers are too demanding of their viewers.

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (1)

jdhutchins (559010) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240465)

Cookies are very useful for session management. The only other real way to do session management is through URL rewriting, which is ugly and has more security problems than cookies. And many websites do need session management. Anything where you log in, anything where you have a shopping cart, etc, pretty much need a cookie. Javascript may be another story, but cookies are needed for many websites to work.

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (1)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240758)

Anything where you log in, anything where you have a shopping cart, etc, pretty much need a cookie.

Why is it that no one uses the HTTP authentication mechanism for logins, and instead makes cookies do the job?

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (2, Informative)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241019)

HTTP authentication would require the server to track session state.

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240453)

How about advertisers can go fuck themselves? How about I'm going to employ every blocking technology I can get my hands on because it's none of your damn business? How about I'll delete all my cookies at the end of a session except the ones that I whitelist to leave alone? I want to know why people, advertisers in particular, are so damn interested in what I choose to do with my computer? Fuck off you assholes. I want to do my shit and be left the fuck alone. Okay? You can't have my money. Go to fucking hell you rat bastard scumbags.

Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me (3, Interesting)

NickFortune (613926) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240534)

Its not that cookies are such a bad thing when used correctly
Bad for whom?
Educate the masses on the benefits and advertisers would see positive results. Who knows maybe they wouldnt have to resort to making ever more annoying advertisements just to try and snare my attention.
And no doubt spammers worldwide would suddenly see the errors of their ways and spam no more, give that targetted ads driven by tracking cookies were suddenly so effective...

I'm sorry, I can't see it. Advertising is not an industry known for it's string ethical stance, and let's face it, such plagues as popups and flash ads were rife long before most people started disabling cookies.

Logging in isn't such a big problem. I allow session cookies where they have a clear and useful purpose, so I only have to click that button once or twice a day.

And besides which, my surfing habits are none of their business.

Debian needs a release (0, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240013)

Okay, they've gotten the election out of the way. Now release Sarge! Seriously, they haven't had a stable release in nearly three years. Ubuntu was created due to the complete lack of leadership on Debian's part. And with Red Hat's withdrawal, Debian should be thriving right now. But it's not.

A lot of people didn't seem to realize in the Ubuntu compatibility article [slashdot.org] that if Debian dies, so does Ubuntu.

Re:Debian needs a release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240319)

This looks like a repost, are you are the same person that did it before...

Not true!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240342)

Debs can be made from tarballs, deb binaries constructed from source... Deba can be made from RPMs. Ubuntu would survive, as would Knoppix and other Debian-based distros with good developers. Besides, where do you think all those "former" Debian developers would do if Debian goes under because of the twits at Debian legal? Create RPMs for Red Hat?

Sarge and Ubantu comparison (2)

jesterzog (189797) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240697)

I asked this in the earlier Debian/Ubantu article [slashdot.org] but I think I was a bit late for it to be seen, so I'll try again.

Is there much of a reason to actually switch from Sarge to Ubantu? Right now I'm running a workstation and a laptop on Sarge. It seems to work very nicely, and it's very up-to-date because I keep it up to date with the Sarge repository, which with the occasional exception (eg. still waiting for x.org), is about as up-to-date as most other distros.

I was quite surprised to see the total bashing of Debian in the earlier article in favour of Ubantu. Complaining about Debain and its slow official releases might be justified for everyone who needs official support, but the only advantages I was really able to discern from people's posts was that the installer is apparently a lot nicer, and that it has official releases more often.

In my case at least, the installer isn't an issue. I already have Sarge installed and configured and it works very well. As a home user running it on my desktop, I'm also not too concerned about the official-ness of the distribution. Although "official support" doesn't yet exist for Sarge, there's stacks of unofficial support out there, whether it comes from the community in general or the Debian maintainers who are looking to keep their packages working.

I'm really just interested if it's worth me bothering to nuke Sarge to try out Ubantu. Is there anything other than its regular official releases and and an installer that makes it worth switching?

Re:Sarge and Ubantu comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240800)

You don't have to nuke anything. Try out the Ubuntu live cd first.

Re:Sarge and Ubantu comparison (2, Informative)

poofyhairguy82 (635386) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241024)

A couple things:

Xorg (I bought an NVIDIA card just to use its new features). Fading and transparacy is awesome.

Much better art.

Community

Newer version of GTKPod.

Just what we need (4, Funny)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240016)

An alarm clock that transmits our dreams to the FBI. Or let's the FBI sends it's dreams to us.

But If I wore my tin foil hat, it would be kind of counter productive ....

Wouldn't it?

Re:Just what we need (3, Interesting)

RevDobbs (313888) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240035)

FWIW, I know that I feel much better after four hours of sleep than I do after six; I always assumed that the reason the extra sleep left me groggy was that I was being jarred awake from deep sleep (details here [upmc.com] ). I find sleep fascinating, and always enjoy reading the disussions on it -- especially on how to get the most out of it. It seems like quite a safe tuning parameter to optimize, and a lot easier to get into than nootropics [ceri.com] .

I gladly, and with out hesitation, welcome our brain-monitoring alarm clock overlords.

Re:Just what we need (3, Funny)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240420)

An alarm clock that transmits our dreams to the FBI. Or let's the FBI sends it's dreams to us.

But If I wore my tin foil hat, it would be kind of counter productive ....

Wouldn't it?


That's why you should be sleeping in a Faraday Cage [wikipedia.org] , of course. Problem solved.

Re:Just what we need (1)

Exatron (124633) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241293)

That depends, if you rewired the alarm clocks so the dream the FBI sends to you is immediately sent back by the second alarm clock, it could be quite entertaining.

Wakeup watch... (4, Interesting)

Polo (30659) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240018)

There's already a watch that helps you wake up at the "optimal" time:

http://www.sleeptracker.com/ [sleeptracker.com]

Re:Wakeup watch... (1)

Daath (225404) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240283)

Do you know if that works?
Looks interesting - If I'm not woken during a light sleep-phase I am completely wasted myself, it would be nice to have something to help ;)

Re:Wakeup watch... (1)

JupiterX (94375) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240742)

Gear Live posted a very favorable review [gearlive.com] of the SleepTracker watch.

Re:Wakeup watch... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12241060)

This guy is blogging about it, but it doesn't seem so positive. http://waterflavored.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Re:Wakeup watch... (3, Interesting)

jacobcaz (91509) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241286)

  • Do you know if that works?
    Looks interesting - If I'm not woken during a light sleep-phase I am completely wasted myself, it would be nice to have something to help ;)
It actually does work really well. I bought one (read about my experience here on my blog [cazz.org] ).

It does sense when I'm mostly awake and starts beeping which fully wakes me up. I'ts still an exercise to pull myself out of the soft, warm, fluffy bed at 6:30 in the morning. Goddamn corporate job, sucking the life right out of me!

Uhhhh (2, Interesting)

elid (672471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240026)

On the heels of Clocky comes this new alarm clock that will monitor a sleeper's brain waves to determine the best time to wake him up. The device uses a microprocessor within a headband that wirelessly transmits brainwaves to the clock. When the person is in a light sleep and is likely to wake up 'perky,' the alarm will go off.

What if I go to sleep late? Will this thing let me sleep till 2PM? I don't really understand the use of this thing.

Re:Uhhhh (5, Informative)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240060)

The device monitors how deeply you are sleeping, if you are dreaming, etc. If you are woken up when you are sleeping lightly you are likely to wake up quickly, but if your alarm interrupts a dream you tend to wake up slowly and more tired. Have you ever woken up early and felt ready to go, but felt like sleeping til your alarm goes off... then when it does you feel tired? This prevents that by picking a time close to your target wakeup time (but before your cutoff time) when you are the least likely to wake up tired.

of course (1)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240083)

drilling the tiny holes for the elctronic probes doesn't hurt one bit

Re:of course (1)

binford2k (142561) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241106)

You know, if you friend's story was a little more readable, I might actually finish reading it!

Re:Uhhhh (1)

David Gould (4938) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240480)


That's what it sounded like to me -- that you'd set it for a time range, long enough to be pretty confident of hitting a light-sleep phase. It sounds like a really great idea; something I think I'd love to have. I just have one question:

Who gets to wear the headband -- me or my girlfriend?

Re:Uhhhh (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241256)

I've noticed this myself, it's like my brain needs so many hours (or minutes) of dreaming every night. A lot of times I'll wake up really groggy and feel tired for the rest of the day.. but as soon as I take a nap I'll start dreaming, almost as if I'm picking up where I left off. 75-100 mins of extra sleep & dreaming and I'm feeling great for the rest of the day.

Wish I could use some of the pillows at work :|

Now we just need ATi... (2, Insightful)

dhasenan (758719) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240030)

If only ATi would release drivers for its cards supporting 3d acceleration on Linux. Never buying from them again.

Re:Now we just need ATi... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240673)

ATI's cards are currently the fastest Free Software 3D acceleration available, with the DRI project's R200 drivers and a Radeon 8500 aka 9200

The R300 drivers (for cards like the 9600 or the X800) need more help. Volunteer to test things, report what works & what doesn't. If you have the know-how, help to reverse engineer more of the fragment shader programming.

http://r300.sf.net/

Morning Wood (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240033)

When the person is in a light sleep and is likely to wake up 'perky,' the alarm will go off.

Hardware hack, anyone?

Warbraining anyone? (2, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240041)

> The device uses a microprocessor within a headband that wirelessly transmits brainwaves to the clock.

If you want to make it to work in the morning, you've gotta take the tinfoil hat off before you go to bed. And pay no attention to the black van with the three dozen Pringles cans mounted on the roof. We^H^HThey are not monitoring your dreams. Honest.

Open source drivers/and so forth... (1)

kangpeh (875381) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240050)

The article stated that VIA is releasing grand statements, rather than actually doing something. The truth is, though, it isn't just VIA. It's everyone. Even you. Everybody's problem is, even if you have an idea and a plan, going through with it is difficult. 100% of my clients are fully capable people, however, sometimes they just need a little bit of a push. That's why we need to SHOW these companies that they WILL get something out of coming into the open source community. We need to show them we love them. We need to show them they will make money. We need to show them we don't like their non-open-source competitors. I mean seriously, can't you guys checkout the battle between Nvidia (awesome commitment to open source) and ATI (recent but poor commitment)? ATI's reputation has plundered quite a bit due to their lack of open source gangsterism.

Firefox and cookies (4, Insightful)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240054)

Firefox needs to disable third party cookies by default. There's no reason why images/iframes from other(3rd party) domains should be allowed to set cookies. I don't see any reason why 3rd party cookies should be allowed, they are frequently abused and used as web bugs that track your web browsing from site to site.

Hear^2! (2, Insightful)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240210)

I completely agree. Or, even as a compromise, for those of us who want to be notified of cookies and choose to allow, deny, or allow for session, it would be REALLY nice if the default button was "deny" rather than "allow".

it is really annoying to have to mouse over to the button that I choose the most often.

btw, if there is anyway to change this behavior short of recompiling, I would love to know how. :D

Re:Hear^2! (1)

Bill Barth (49178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240831)

How about 'alt-d' rather than 'enter'?

'alt-d' doesn't work on a Macintosh (1)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240900)

Sorry...I should have been more specific. I'm using the Mac version of FireFox. Alt(option)-d does nothing. nor does command-d.

HOWEVER, after trying one more combination, I am ready to kick myself in the head. Thanks for putting me on to this line of thinking.

Control-d works perfectly!! :D

I withdraw my earlier complaint (though it still kind of makes sense, at least to me, to have deny as the default choice in that dialogue). Cheers. (^_^)v

Re:Firefox and cookies (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240582)

A lot of web sites now complain when you don't have cookies enabled. I like the mid-way solution of having them enabled for the session only, with a few exceptions (Like slashdot.)

As for flash local shared objects, that's easily defeated simply by not installing flash. If I wanted to watch animated commercials I'd be watching TV (I don't allow animated GIFs either.)

Re:Firefox and cookies (1)

Jobe_br (27348) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240655)

Actually, its also used by sites that use an ASP for site-statistics. Such as HBX (formerly Hitbox) by WebSideStory. These systems depend on cookies (and since they're set by the HBX servers, not by your site, they're third party). These ASPs provide accurate "visit" tracking, instead of just hits, page views, etc. Tracking a visit accurately does require some client-side involvement.

I can't say I particularly like it, but, it is a perfectly valid use of third party cookies.

Water + Elec+Forehead? (1)

bosewicht (805330) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240059)

Hope you don't have a leaky ceiling!!!

Slashbacks really need a tag line (5, Funny)

Eradicator2k3 (670371) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240086)

Something along the lines of:

Slashback: Because you enjoyed these articles the first TWO times around.
or
Slashback: The nice way to say DUPE!!!
or
Slashback: This time we realized we've duped a story before we posted it.

OTOH, what's to prevent unscrupulous editors from going back and editing the topic from Linux, YRO, etc. to Slashback in an attempt to cover their butts?

Slashbacks really need a tag line-Can you Google? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240231)

"OTOH, what's to prevent unscrupulous editors from going back and editing the topic from Linux, YRO, etc. to Slashback in an attempt to cover their butts?"

Memory.

Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240566)

OTOH, what's to prevent unscrupulous editors from [...] editing

Hi! You must be new here! All our "editors" have more scruples than that. Or, umm, something here clearly prevents it, at least :-)

I submitted a story about PIE (1)

RM6f9 (825298) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240112)

when I first saw it - the /. editors in their 9sic) "wisdom" elected to reject it. Thank you for the extension. Maybe it should make /. front page as an article in its own right.

I don't want "perky." (2, Insightful)

Shag (3737) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240157)

I just want a clock that'll make my wife wake up non-grouchy. I'm sure there's a huge market for this device.

Re:I don't want "perky." (5, Funny)

Geek of Tech (678002) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240293)

>> I just want a clock that'll make my wife wake up non-grouchy. I'm sure there's a huge market for this device.

Why? How many different people have to worry about your wife waking up grouchy? :P

Re:I don't want "perky." (1)

mr_walrus (410770) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240797)


>Why? How many different people have to worry about your wife waking
>up grouchy? :P

at least as many as the Private Eye he hired told him
about...

Re:I don't want "perky." (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240980)

"Why? How many different people have to worry about your wife waking up grouchy? :P"

Geek of Tech wins: HUMILIATION.

Re:I don't want "perky." (1)

michrech (468134) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240554)

I don't believe it's possible for a woman to not be grouchy.

Sure, sometimes they seem like they are in a good mood -- but behind that facade, they are just waiting for the right time to blow up.

Re:I don't want "perky." (1)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241113)

I just want a clock that'll make my wife wake up non-grouchy

Isn't that called "divorce followed by property settlement favouring 90% your ex wife followed by child support payments totalling 80% your take home to your ex"?

Alarm clock?!? (2, Funny)

El (94934) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240174)

1) I'm never likely to wake up "perky"!

2) I don't need an alarm clock to annoy my spouse -- I can do that just fine all by myself!

3) I've never actually used an alarm clock. I tell myself what time it is and what time I want to get up just before I go to sleep, then I wake myself up at the optimal point in my sleep cycle. Only problem with this is I tend to wake myself up too early!

nonononononononoononononono!!! (1)

macintoshguy (876203) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240201)

"plus it always broadcasts CNN" Aaaagh! Make it stop... :(

Curse my n00b skills! (1)

macintoshguy (876203) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240257)

I wan't paying attention when I posted this; it was meant to go at the top as a reply to the "Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups " comment.

Re:Curse my n00b skills! (1)

Actuator Man (874693) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241179)

Sheesh, you have only one mouse button and still you click in the wrong place.

Cookie Madness (4, Informative)

shirai (42309) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240233)

I'm probably not the first one who's thought of this but it seems to me that cookie abuse could be reduced dramatically without affecting most websites by doing the following:

"Disable cookies on all images that are being pulled from another domain."

That is, if a web page grabs an image from another domain (a banner, pixel, etc.) then pull it but don't send any of the cookie information for that image.

I mean isn't that the way that most developers track access across websites? You put a one-pixel image and set the cookie through there. Then by reading the http_refer, you know where they've been and associate it to a single user. To track across sites though, this pixel is usually on a separate domain than the site being accessed.

By the way, I originally thought to disable cookies on all images but realized some servers may do security checking via cookies before sending an image. But there is very little legitimate use for sending cookies on images that are outside the domain.

Also, the same could be said of ANYTHING that is pulled off a different domain including scripts, css, etc. If it is on the same domain, send the cookies. If not, then make the request but don't send the cookies.

I would say precious few sites would depend on this behavior and it shouldn't break anything except for the tracking (which we want to break). Not saying that a site couldn't be made to break on this but I can't think of many reasons why a site would.

By the way, I think cookies are great for the most part. SlashDot uses them, I use them, anything with a login (mostly) uses them. I find it humorous when people insist that cookies are evil and you shouldn't have a single one. You can just as easily fake a cookie for a session by sticking an ID in the URL which, personally, I think is worse. Now your personally identifying tracker is available for all to see.

Re:Cookie Madness (2, Insightful)

mabinogi (74033) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240343)

actually, I dislike cookies as session identifiers, as it limits you to one session per browser.
A session key in the url allows you to log in multiple times, and possibly as multiple users.

It's not something that you need to do every day - but when you're trying to set up something like a CMS with varying levels of access control, it becomes a pain in the neck to either have to keep logging in and out to verify the way it looks to different users, or have IE, Opera, Mozilla and Firefox all open at once.

Re:Cookie Madness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12241202)

Actually there is another way to do this. Just set up multiple subdomains when testing. Shouldn't take a lot to mod your code to do this.

For example:

a.mytestsite.com

b.mytestsite.com

c.mytestsite.com

If you have your own DNS server, it is really easy because you can wildcard the first part. Something like *.mytestsite.com all point to 127.0.0.1 (or whatever your web server is).

Even if you don't though, it is easy to add a bunch of entries into your hosts file (or mac/linux equivalent).

Sunny

Re:Cookie Madness (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241007)

"By the way, I originally thought to disable cookies on all images but realized some servers may do security checking via cookies before sending an image. But there is very little legitimate use for sending cookies on images that are outside the domain."

Seems to me that'd be a great way to deal with image leeching on the web. Not the only way but not a bad way. One of the neat features of the web is that it can be so inter-connected, but since bandwidth costs money, not everybody feels those features are so neat.

I don't have a strong opinion either way (frankly, I like the idea of having the client specify whether it'll accept the cookies or not), but nearly ANY feature can be both useful and abused.

VIA Open Source & the binary MPEG driver (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240242)

It might be that VIA had to release the MPEG part of the driver the way they did in order to comply with the patent licence they got from whoever owns the relavent MPEG patent(s).

Is it just me... (2, Funny)

jptechnical (644454) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240321)

or does this guy look alot like the south park creator? - http://www.axonlabs.com/images/ben-whiteboard.jpg [axonlabs.com]

Personally, I don't want anything attached to my head while sleeping that was built by this buncha goobers. - http://www.axonlabs.com/images/group-daniel.jpg [axonlabs.com]

You don't need to bookmark the Macromedia page... (2, Informative)

eco2geek (582896) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240335)

...referenced above, and in the previous YRO article [slashdot.org] , to set your privacy preferences, or use a Firefox extension. All you have to do is right-click on a Flash object in a web page to bring up a context menu, and choose "Settings..." (although one wonders if this could be disabled at the Flash object author's choosing).

(Actually, I find it more disturbing that a Flash object in a web page could access a local webcam or microphone. Has anyone seen this capability in use?)

Thanks to "bigtallmofo" for bringing this to our attention in the previous YRO article. Who knew?

Alarm clocks (3, Informative)

Sir Holo (531007) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240355)


This may beat the 90-minute rule.

Sleep cycles are about 90 minutes long, so setting the alarm at a 90-minute interval from when you fall asleep will make it more likely that you'll wake up on the high side of sleep, and more likely that you'll feel refreshed. The rule fails if something disturbs your sleep pattern, though, which is where this device (if it exists) would be better.

How is this different? (1)

krautcanman (609042) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240398)

What's the deal? Editors running out of material to post? How is this any different than multiply posted "news" items?

Actually come to think of it ... this is good news! The /. editors have finally seen the light! Cheers!

Objection... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240422)

Does the objection extension include an option to completely disable shared objects? After that article came out a while ago, I went to Macromedia's site and deleted everything and set it to deny-all. It would be useful to have that option without having to go to Macromedia's site.

Kind of like iron . . . (2, Insightful)

SEE (7681) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240452)

To see anybody associated with Debian quoting "release early and often".

Flash bypassing cookie protections (5, Informative)

mckyj57 (116386) | more than 9 years ago | (#12240773)

Objection 0.1 adds a 'Local Shared Objects' line to Firefox's Options > Privacy panel, allowing you to delete them as easily as you'd delete cookies. It's still pretty rudimentary - all or nothing deletion, working on Windows only - but Slashdotters are more than welcome to improve it. Since Local Shared Objects have the same functionality as cookies, we need the same amount of control over them as we do over cookies - and built into the browser, not tucked away in some obscure Macromedia page."


I find it easier just to use the Flashblock extension. In the (very rare) event I need to run a Flash display, I just click the play button.

Right man for the job? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12240823)

Well done debian, you've gone and elected a jerk [livejournal.com] to office. Nicely done.

I'd like to quote JWZ's comment on this issue, Please choke on a bucket of cocks. Thank you.

So, Branden. How's that going?

But this implies that 'perky' is the desired state (0, Offtopic)

GimmeFuel (589906) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241087)

But this implies that 'perky' is the desired state.

Who else read this and thought 'boobs'?

Come on, this is /., 'fess up....

Re:But this implies that 'perky' is the desired st (1)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241139)

Does it count that I thought of boobs before, during and after reading it?

Open Source Drivers (-1, Troll)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 9 years ago | (#12241161)

No one seems to be mentioning the driver opening but I think it would be nice if Linux could finally resolve one of it's key hypocracies.

Linux is supposed to have excellent performance (Or at least customizability which could lead to excellent performance) yet in desktop applications and games it falls behind, time and time again I hear linux users saying that their more powerful runs windows because of gaming.

The overclocking tweaking, high end hardware crowd creates the biggest hardware margins and spends a lot of time customizing software and hardware yet are excluded when a +1 fps advantage could win them over.
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