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Longhorn Preview

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the i'm-ready-for-a-filet dept.

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prostoalex writes "News.com has up a preview of Microsoft's current build of Longhorn operating system, from Jim Allchin, Microsoft group vice president. The timing is not coincidental with Apple's Tiger release, as Allchin pointed out some advantages that Microsoft had over Apple's OS: 'High on the list of features are security enhancements, improved desktop searching and organizing, and better methods for laptops to roam from one network to another.'" Update: 04/15 21:24 GMT by Z : Thomashawk wrote in to provide links to less formal looks at the Allchin preview, one at his site, and one at Evan William's site.

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Apple vs. Microsoft? Let the flaming commence... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12248880)

After months of keeping its prized cow in the barn, Microsoft is beginning to let Longhorn out of the stall for public viewing.
Windows the hermaphrodite OS...

long (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12248882)

horn vs tiger? sluts!!

Amazing! (4, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248883)

Wow, a Longhorn "review" from Microsoft itself?

High on the list of features are security enhancements

...

Ok, so, to bring Longhorn anywhere near the fundamental security that Mac OS X already intrinsically has [slashdot.org] ?

To say nothing of the irony of this statement..."security enhancements"? Over what? Microsoft's previous already-dismal general track record in this area?

improved desktop searching and organizing

Which Apple is already shipping in Tiger [apple.com] , and even Paul Thurrott acknowledges as "exceedingly cool" [winsupersite.com] ?

Perhaps this line from the article says it all on this topic:

"In both look and form, the search mechanism is similar to the Spotlight feature in Apple Computer's Mac OS X Tiger, which goes on sale later this month."

and better methods for laptops to roam from one network to another.

...that I can already seamlessly do with Mac OS X's automatic detection of saved wireless network settings, rolling prioritized detection of available network interfaces, and quick switching of locations?

And it goes on like this, mostly as justifications for how Longhorn is really different from Tiger. (No. Really.) The most relevant excerpt is likely "[Longhorn] bears plenty of similarities to Tiger [...]"

Except that one is, you know, shipping this month.

To say nothing of the full-fledged UNIX and X11 environment I have with Mac OS X.

*Yawn*

Re:Amazing! (1)

aklix (801048) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248933)

improved desktop searching and organizing

I really hope it's not based on the "New MSN Search!" Atleast the current search program finds what your looking for.

Re:Amazing! (-1, Troll)

It doesn't come easy (695416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248939)

Ah, Microsoft, always good for a laugh...

Re:Amazing! (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248949)

Security enchancements can only mean one thing:

Preinstalled spyware, so you don't have to risk going out onto the internet to find your own.

Re:Amazing! (5, Informative)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248952)

I liked this one:
But while the OS bears plenty of similarities to Tiger, Allchin stressed that Microsoft has broken new ground in Longhorn. For example, document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself. The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file.
Some new ground. Both KDE and Gnome have had this feature for a good while.

Re:Amazing! (1)

rnelsonee (98732) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249027)

OS X, too. I guess by saying "Microsoft has broken new ground" it just means it's the first time Microsoft has done it with their OS. Out of the 3 major desktop OSes (OS X, any new Linux window manager, Windows), they're dead last. Eek... I'm becoming a Mac fanboy (I just got my first Mac, sorry).

Re:Amazing! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249103)

Congratulations on the purchase of your first Mac.

The gay community welcomes you!!

Re:Amazing! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249137)

With open...

never mind.

I want animated program icons (0, Troll)

CSMastermind (847625) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249145)

Most other platforms do have many features that microsoft takes and uses and vice versa but you can't blame anyone for that. If you don't like the fact microsoft is behind in some areas, don't use their products (I know you proablly don't already) and try to explain to your boss/freinds why using windows might be bad as well. Either that or if you're able help write a better operating system to replace it. If there was a clearly better OS out there then why are people still using windows?

Re:I want animated program icons (4, Insightful)

geomon (78680) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249223)

If there was a clearly better OS out there then why are people still using windows?

Lack of education about alternatives and Microsoft FUD.

That would be just two reasons. I haven't even started with the predatory monopolistic practices.

Re:Amazing! (1)

Mr. No Skills (591753) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249039)

Uh, I remember that one from OS/2.

Nice to know their IBM partnership fed into the development of Windows. I guess it does take years for code to find its way out the door.

Re:Amazing! (1)

lowe0 (136140) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248997)

Translation: You don't have to switch to get all these features. We'll have them ready for you next year. (Except for Dashboard - MS would be smart to buy Konfabulator if Dashboard really takes off.)

This is a standard compare/contrast between MS' and Apple's products, nothing more. I'd hardly even consider it newsworthy.

Of course, I use both Windows and OS X, so I could care less if they copy features from one another - in fact, I benefit from it.

Re:Amazing! (5, Funny)

killjoe (766577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249101)

Last year at WWDC Apple had huge posters that said things like "Mac OS X, introducing longhorn" and "Redmond start your photocopiers".

I thought it was cute, now I know it was prophetic.

There are other differences... (3, Insightful)

NYTrojan (682560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249127)

The most important of which is compatibility. Windows will run on an endless combination of different vendor's processors, motherboards, etc etc. Windows has the whole PC thing going for it. With Tiger you are locked into Apple hardware.

now before you dismiss this as a simple scoff, I am (attempting) to make a valid point here. What is the number one reason people stay away from Mac? I submit that it is price. Not price of the OS Tiger, but price of "The Comptuer" you have to buy. Imagine the ability to have something as solid, feature rich, and protected as Tiger, that you can run on a relatively powerful system you made from parts you bought off of newegg for $600. Personally, I believe that's worth waiting for.

Basically what I'm saying, I guess, is if Longhorn can be ALMOST as good as Tiger it will be:
1. A vast vast VAST improvement over the windows we currently have
and 2. Will be more appealing due to the cost factor.

I don't use it now, but I'd run OSX in a heartbeat if I could do it on a PC.

Re:There are other differences... (1)

tillemetry (223556) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249228)

I bill myself out at $50 an hour. With drivers, installation, spyware and other BS? Rather just open the Apple box.

But thats just me.

Windows release model is the problem (1)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249194)

Except that one is, you know, shipping this month.

Which, unless you're looking to switch computers now, is irrelevant. Either you own a Mac (I do) and you're stoked (or underwhelmed) by Tiger, or you don't. If you don't own a Mac, Tiger's irrelevant. For those poor souls, I imagine Longhorn SP1 can't come soon enough (I'm pretty much assuming you don't want whatever ships first). XP was a dated OS when it first shipped.

I don't understand the compare/contrast thing. None of these features are truly new anyway, so it's really not MS copying Apple. Apple's main advantage is being able to get them to market faster.

If anything, the lesson is that the whole "We're going to release an OS you'll use for the next 10 years" thing is an increasingly bad idea. It means the OS is obsolete before it goes beta. Apple's model seems to work well, particularly if you buy maybe every other update. Wouldn't it be better to get the framework of a working OS out there, then sell feature add ons? Otherwise, SPs are just bug fixes. Seems to me the only part that really needs to be part of the core OS at release is probably WinFS, but..

Re:Amazing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249208)



My god do you people realize just how obnoxious and annoying you Apple Fanboi's are?

.

Re:Amazing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249231)

Hey get a clue

1) XP and all NT series have had the same security stuff that OS X has. People running as Admins is not a lack of OS features but a philosophical design issues.

2) Desktop searching is here with windows go download MSN search or Google search or any other great free search programs out there.

3)Windows does allow switching from one wrireless network to another automatically.

4) If you believe you can do more just because of Macs unix core, well snap out of it....Windows has had a better development environment for a whilte now.

Your pr the mods lack of knowledge is not an excuse, learn

Is it worth it? (4, Insightful)

Flywheels of Fire (836557) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248885)

In an earlier [zdnet.co.uk] article, Mr. Billy said:

By the time Longhorn ships, according to Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, PCs will have 4GHz to 6GHz processors, more than 2GB of memory, at least a terabyte of storage, and graphics accelerators three times more powerful than those offered by ATI and Nvidia today. He says that Longhorn is designed to take advantage of all this muscle, and nowhere is that more evident than in the rich, three-dimensional interface known as Aero.

Points to ponder:

1. People don't even want to move to SP2 [mithuro.com] , do you think people will buy all this muscle for Longhorn?

2. What exactly is a 3D interface? Would we need to wear 3D goggles to use it?

3. Longhorn is built around three major advances--a new graphics and presentation engine known as Avalon, a new communications architecture known as Indigo, and a new file system known as WinFS that borrows from Microsoft's relational database technology. Avalon and Indigo are catchy names, but are we going to have loads of compatibility issues?

4. How much MORE is Longhorn going to cost? Is it going to be subscription based?

5. How many software patents are MS going to secure for this?

Re:Is it worth it? (-1, Troll)

0racle (667029) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248976)

1. People don't even want to move to SP2, do you think people will buy all this muscle for Longhorn?

Yes, they need it to surf the web

2. What exactly is a 3D interface? Would we need to wear 3D goggles to use it?

Its drawn with Direct3D of course.

Avalon and Indigo are catchy names, but are we going to have loads of compatibility issues?

Of course not, that will all occure in XP when they are released for that platform.

4. How much MORE is Longhorn going to cost? Is it going to be subscription based?

Now thats just silly

5. How many software patents are MS going to secure for this?

How many can they get?

Is that a sexual euphemism? (2, Funny)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249047)

"designed to take advantage of all this muscle"

Y'know, like "to fuck with", "to shag" etc?

I never can tell with MS, after all they have redefined the meaning of so many words and terms; innovation, secure, reliable, scalable etc etc.

Re:Is it worth it? (0, Troll)

Half-Baked (771927) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249049)

4. How much MORE is Longhorn going to cost? Is it going to be subscription based?
Because apple would nevercharge its users $100 ar year for 0.1 verson update.
oh wait....

Re:Is it worth it? (3, Funny)

Kingofearth (845396) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249052)

By the time Longhorn ships, according to Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, PCs will have 4GHz to 6GHz processors, more than 2GB of memory, at least a terabyte of storage, and graphics accelerators three times more powerful than those offered by ATI and Nvidia today. He says that Longhorn is designed to take advantage of all this muscle, and nowhere is that more evident than in the rich, three-dimensional interface known as Aero.

We'll have much better computers than that by time Longhorn finally ships.

Re:Is it worth it? (1)

RealityMogul (663835) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249159)

The real test of performance will be running DIR at a command prompt and seeing if it is finally as fast as a 486 running DOS 5.0 was.

Re:Is it worth it? (4, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249096)

He says that Longhorn is designed to take advantage of all this muscle, and nowhere is that more evident than in the rich, three-dimensional interface known as Aero.

6. When we have all this muscle, do we really want it all to be spent on more complicated drop-shadows in the OS?

Re:Is it worth it? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249176)

Duh, do you want a graphics adapter just sitting there, or do you want some extra eyecandy for free? (seeing how it's just sitting there, doing nothing, it might as well make the "user experience" prettier)

The point of Longhorn (-1, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249098)

Anyone else intrigued by the statement that Longhorn will drive PC sales? No wonder it's touting such pointlessly hefty system requirements. Dell and Intel are hoping Windows Longhorn forces people to upgrade when they don't need to. Windows XP on 1ghz with 512MB of RAM is more than enough than most people will ever need to just check their e-mail and send pictures to people.

Bill Gates knows this, which is why he had written that recent piece proclaiming that PC sales weren't dead, desperate to convince people that they should keep buying computers when they already have one that does what they need.

I have a feeling Longhorn will take a while to get accepted. Years. And that's simply through people buying new PCs with Longhorn pre-installed, not buying Longhorn.

Right (4, Funny)

anonicon (215837) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248892)

"High on the list of features are security enhancements, improved desktop searching and organizing, and better methods for laptops to roam from one network to another."

And you'll see all this and more when it's released in 2007.

Honest. :-)

The Longhorn advantage? (4, Insightful)

It doesn't come easy (695416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248900)

The fact that Microsoft has had to work hard to try and catch up to OSX's level of security is a Longhorn advantage? Wonder if they made it yet....

Made me laugh: "...document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself." Now there's a security enhancement. The user will have no clue as to what it will do when they double-click the icon...(not that they ever worried about it anyway).

"As with Windows XP Service Pack 2, security remains at the forefront of Microsoft's development efforts." Right. And it's been proven, after 5 years, how rock solid XP security is...

So, anyone want to bet on how many "critical" system compromising security issues will be found before Longhorn SP1 comes out?

Re:The Longhorn advantage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249023)

Made me laugh: "...document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself." Now there's a security enhancement. The user will have no clue as to what it will do when they double-click the icon...(not that they ever worried about it anyway).

Not really. Everyone else already does this (GNOME, KDE, OS X, etc.). This is mostly for media types. Obviously a preview of an executable doesn't make any sense so you can clearly see what is what.

Re:The Longhorn advantage? (1)

It doesn't come easy (695416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249225)

Yes, I know it really doesn't make a difference, especially when you can already replace the file's default icon with a custom icon and make it look like anything you want...the statement just tickled my laugh spot after all the talk about security.

Re:The Longhorn advantage? (2, Informative)

x_codingmonkey_x (839141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249224)

...Allchin stressed that Microsoft has broken new ground in Longhorn. For example, document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself. The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file. Folders, too, show glimpses of what's inside. Such images can be rather small, but they offer a visual cue that aids in the searching process, Allchin said.

New ground?! This feature has been around in KDE* (and in Gnome* can't remember though) for at least the past year that I've been using it. I give them a little credit for the folders part but give me a break! It really seems like M$ has been doing a lot of ground breaking work by looking and implementing what the competition has had for a long time now and then claiming that they are being innovative.



* on SuSE 9.1 and 9.2

Wow...competition (-1, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248902)

Wow, some real specific advantages over Tiger there. I love how their search is somehow better simply because you can "organize and view the results" in different ways. And let's disregard that there will be enough time after Tiger's release for Apple to ready another OS X release in time for 2006.

The most interesting part of this article, however, which I read earlier today, is that Microsoft is actually discussing a competitor and explaining what they think makes their product better.

They're actually competing. When was the last time a Windows release felt any pressure from a competitor?

No no you've got it all wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249010)

""We are moving features around," he said."

Look!! They are moving features around people! Let's celebrate. Tell the world !

Features! Moving ! Around !

I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12248907)

GO LINUX!

WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12248914)


404 File Not Found
The requested URL (it/05/04/15/1918208.shtml?tid=109&tid=201&tid=218 ) was not found.

If you feel like it, mail the url, and where ya came from to pater@slashdot.org.

That's just quality Slashcode at work! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12248961)

Basically it's the same shitpile of Perl that has runned this website for years is showing it's age (and suckitude). I hear by the year 2009 Slashcode may actually start generating compliant HTML!

My Urine Tastes Delicious (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12248922)

I'd rather drink my urine than read about Turdhorn.

some advantages that Microsoft has over Apple's OS (0, Redundant)

deuist (228133) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248926)

High on the list of features are security enhancements, improved desktop searching and organizing, and better methods for laptops to roam from one network to another.

None of which we'll see until 2006.

Re:some advantages that Microsoft has over Apple's (1)

El (94934) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249131)

2006?!? Try 2007!

"Enhanced" security (2, Insightful)

slobber (685169) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248929)

High on the list of features are security enhancements Generally speaking, it is much easier to "enhance" security of something which is not all that secure to begin with, so in itself it could hardly be touted as an advantage compared to other OSes.

Re:"Enhanced" security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12248944)

Considering that OSX and Linux have had an equal number of security problems over the last couple of years, then yes, it could be an advantage in the future if Linux and Apple don't also start to get their shit togeather.

P.S. You ARE up to date on the latest Firefox patches right?!?!?

Heh (3, Funny)

Skiron (735617) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248942)

'High on the list of features are security enhancements.

'Enhancements'? How can you 'enhance' no security to start with? 0 +0 = 0.

Wrong equation (2, Informative)

dannytaggart (835766) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249032)

I think they mean -1 + 1 = 0 .

Re:Heh (1)

Punboy (737239) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249085)

Here's some python code for ya.

class Windows:
def __init__(self):
self.securitylevel = 0
def enhanceSecurity(self):
self.secuitylevel +=1

win32 = Windows()
win32.ehanceSecurity()
print win32.securitylevel

Make sense? Enhancing adds to it. Even if it started at 0.

Re:Heh (3, Funny)

selderrr (523988) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249091)

ladies and gentlemen, worship this new math genius !


How about 0+x = x ????

Re:Heh (1)

aklix (801048) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249173)

That's why what they are saying is true.

Re:Heh (5, Funny)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249180)

Yes, I find Microsoft security comes in handy whenever I forget the punchline to a joke.

Knock knock.
Who's there?
Uhhh... Microsoft Security!

See? It's automatically funny, no matter what the context.

I'd be willing to wait until 2007... (2, Interesting)

Teja (826685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248947)

Heh, personally I couldnt care if MS releases longhorn in 2007, I would like to see a windows version that isnt half assed up. Id like to (for once) not worry so much about security too much. Id be willing to wait a few months/a year or two for MS to really make LH as good as they can.

Re:I'd be willing to wait until 2007... (2, Insightful)

It doesn't come easy (695416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249179)

I understand the wish but don't hold your breath...Longhorn is about boosting sales above all else, just like every other Windows version that has ever been published. Just look at this "interview"...

"the search mechanism is similar to the Spotlight feature in Apple Computer's Mac OS X Tiger, which goes on sale later this month"

"Microsoft would delay Longhorn over quality concerns, but is unlikely to let individual features hold up its release. That could mean some further trimming around the edges if things fall behind."

"...he did say the company expects Longhorn to drive PC sales. "This product has something for everybody."

In the end, guess what comes first, security or sales?

Security... (2, Funny)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248948)

High on the list of features are security enhancements

Wow! I sure need that, since my OSX installs are all so virus-prone!

PCMagazine (3, Informative)

elid (672471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248950)

has info as well [pcmag.com]

Deja vu? (0, Redundant)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248953)


From the article:

...document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself. The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file.


I'm not trying to be an anti-Microsoft troll here...honest, I'm not (look how I even refrained from referring to them as "M$"), but in all seriousness, hasn't Linux been doing this sort of thing for a while now?

And yet, Microsoft peddles this as some sort of brand-new,major cutting-edge innovation.

Re:Deja vu? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12248995)

I remember that "new feature" with image files created by some program on a Mac LCII..

Re:Deja vu? (2, Insightful)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249120)

Well, if by Linux you mean DEs like KDE. I already have this feature, but I don't use it because I prefer the detailed list. It does make browsing through pictures easier.

I'm still trying to figure out what innovation we're seeing here. So far it just looks like a collection of eye candy taken from OSX and KDE. As for security? They should go require one root account and regular user accounts. They have enough time to let other software companies know the details so if their software won't function properly they can fix it.

I mean if they want to simply copy features left and right, then I don't really care so much. But they shouldn't act like these are important innovations.

Oh, come on (2, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248962)

OK - so I can deal with the timing not being coindidental. (Yeah. Right.)

But this part made me go whaaaa?:

The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file. Folders, too, show glimpses of what's inside. Such images can be rather small, but they offer a visual cue that aids in the searching process, Allchin said.


Oh, no, thank you very much. First, I don't want those system resources wasted trying to figure out what the icon should look like every time I update or save the file, let along when I move stuff into and out of the folder. Individual icons for items? Sure! But why are we wasting all the extra time that could be used making the OS faster.

And I loved this part:


Allchin said that Longhorn also goes further than Tiger when it comes to what one can do with search results, saying it offers new ways to organize and view the information. While the look of the OS hasn't been finalized, the translucent windows and other graphics tricks are expected to find their way into the finished software.


Oh, for joy. It's not enough just to find what I want, but I need to sort it by things like "date" and "creator" and "file type". Oh, wait - Spotlight will do that too!

The whole presentation sounds a lot like "Hm - another product is coming out now, we need to have a good reason for people to delay. Institute standard plan #2: Convince people that our stuff will be better 'When it's done', so don't buy that other stuff now!"

The question is, with Longhorn at least a year out, will it work any better this time?

Re:Oh, come on (1)

El (94934) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249080)

The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file. Folders, too, show glimpses of what's inside. Such images can be rather small, but they offer a visual cue that aids in the searching process, Allchin said. Can I turn this feature off? It's going to make it a LOT harder to hide my porn collection!

Processor speeds (2, Informative)

deuist (228133) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248966)

I sure hope that users have fast CPU's and a butt-load of memory. With the new icon "feature" that gives a mini preview of each document in a folder, I can only imagine how long simple navigation will take. And I thought viewing My Pictures in thumbnail mode was slow.

Re:Processor speeds (2, Informative)

0racle (667029) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249030)

How long does it take on KDE with a P2? Oh wait, its not that long.

Re:Processor speeds (1)

OhPlz (168413) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249104)

Now imagine people browsing a large folder over a busy network.

Does anyone actually need a feature like this? It's eye candy for the sake of eye candy, same thing KDE has been doing.

Re:Processor speeds (3, Interesting)

Punboy (737239) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249155)

Actually, its a quite speedy thing to do. the KDE project on linux has been doing this for quite some time now, and I've found the Explorer in WinXP actually lists files SLOWER than konqueror, even though it doesn't do previews of any files. Also, Konqueror displays the filetype icon first, then replaces said icons withe previews as it loads them. And, thanks to the thread scheduling and priority handling in Linux and other POSIX-compliant OS's, the thread that processes the threads is put on hold when another program/process needs the power its using.

In other news.. (5, Funny)

PaxTech (103481) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248984)

Duke Nukem Forever will make Half Life 2 look like a piece of crap. Someday.

It's the same story Microsoft has told for years.. "Yeah, those other guys might have some cool shit, but the stuff we're working on is WAY better. Don't buy their stuff, wait for our new thing to come out. It'll be available Real Soon Now."

Apple will be releasing Mac OS X Ocelot by the time Longhorn hits the market.

Re:In other news.. (1, Insightful)

menace3society (768451) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249161)

This has been MS SOP for decades. Say, "Oh, don't buy x. We're working on (x+5) product, in a few months it will be out and beat the pants off of x. It will be so smart and so fast it will do all your work before you even start the app!" Then as time goes by, they promise fewer features and say it will release later, on an on, until something half-assed shows up, or not at all.

That's basically the textbook account of what they did to Lotus 1-2-3, isn't it? And people call MS developer-friendly.

Wasn't there a public BETA? (1)

Svippy (876087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12248990)

An early peek at Longhorn

Is it me or did a lot of people lie to me at the same time, but I've heard that you could download the beta some time ago ( don't know if you still can ).

I don't know, one just told me he ran his server on Longhorn, I was like, "why?"... never got a reply. :(

Re:Wasn't there a public BETA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249133)

Their was a Longhorn preview for select companies that was leaked on the Internet. It really is just a fraction of what the final product is. I installed it on my computer and removed it the same day. It looked like a fancy version of XP. Running it as a server, or even desktop, though is completely retarded as the version that is out is worse than XP.

Re:Wasn't there a public BETA? (2, Funny)

Shag (3737) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249147)

I don't know, one just told me he ran his server on Longhorn, I was like, "why?"... never got a reply. :(
It was a beta. Did you seriously expect Microsoft to have implemented complex functionality like a "reply" button in a beta? ;)

Gna_4 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12248991)

Do I Dare Say? (1, Redundant)

fwice (841569) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249000)

In both look and form, the search mechanism is similar to the Spotlight feature in Apple Computer's Mac OS X Tiger...


M$ Longhorn Strategy
1) Develop Operating System
2) Steal aspects of other operating systems
3) ???????
4) Profit!

Re:Do I Dare Say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249093)

3) Steal more aspects from other o/s.

Re:Do I Dare Say? (1)

Shag (3737) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249230)

Actually, if you look closely, you can see that "Longhorn" was written in on that strategy document after something else was erased... I think it says something about "NT"... no, wait, there was something else... "Windows 95"... no, wait, "Windows 3.0"... but I see some other letters too... what's that? MS-DOS 6? Goodness. That strategy seems to have served them very well over the years.

Who gives a fuck? (3, Insightful)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249007)

pointed out some advantages that Microsoft had over Apple's OS

I've lost count of the number of articles, comparisons, and reviews of Longhorn I've come across in the last two years that tout some *advantage* over another OS (usually OS X).

What possible relevance does that have to me (or anyone else) right now considering no one will be able to buy copy for the next two years, if then? Meanwhile in the last two years OS X has served me very well, certainly better than a nonexistent OS could have.

At this point, continuing to sing Longhorn's praises to the consumer is about as logical as advertising the fact that Duke Nukem Forever will support the ability to fire 10 guns at once. If software companies never deliver the product, the feature set it has couldn't really be more irrelevant.

Re:Who gives a fuck? (1)

argent (18001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249078)

I've lost count of the number of articles, comparisons, and reviews of Longhorn I've come across in the last two years that tout some *advantage* over another OS (usually OS X).

Really? I haven't seen one advantage actually listed. Maybe you can help me figure out what they are supposed to be... I'm pretty much lost at sea here.

Maybe.... (2, Interesting)

Captain Nick (741204) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249011)

We'll see OSX on an intel platform by then... but then again, prolly not. Been discussed before, but wouldn't it sweet to see side-by-side comparisons, on the same hardware, etc, of MacOS and Windows?

Advantages of Apple's OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249013)

"Allchin pointed out some advantages that Microsoft had over Apple's OS"

Is it fair to say that an OS that will be released 2 years after another OS has "advantages"? :-)

Re:Advantages of Apple's OS? (1)

Shag (3737) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249118)

Almost. He just got the verb tense wrong. I think he meant to say that Longhorn will have advantages over Tiger. Hmm. Maybe not, since most of the things he listed will be in Tiger first. Maybe he meant to say it would have advantages over Panther. Or Jaguar. Or Puma. Or Cheetah?

Secret Longhorn install screen here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249014)

fan boys on parade (2, Funny)

ucsckevin (176383) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249025)

So as a fanboy with nothing to do on a friday afternoon with no class I must take issue with the whole easier to roam from network to network thing... As a student at a private California university (not ucsc as per my name), we have different wifi networks all over the place. I'm using a PBg4 with airport express and mac os 10.3.8. Whenever and wherever I open up my laptop, it automatically connects me to the best (or predetermined) network available, and it usually takes 5 seconds. The only time i've had to open up my Network connection system prefence is when i failed to realize that my airport express base was unplugged!

Advantages? (3, Insightful)

jhealy (91456) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249026)

Allchin pointed out some advantages that Microsoft had over Apple's OS:
-features are security enhancements

OS X, unix-based since 10.0: Got it already!

-improved desktop searching and organizing
Spotlight... got it!

better methods for laptops to roam from one network to another
Location Manager... Got it since OS 8!!

SOOOOO good!

Ohhhh boy... (0, Troll)

mrbrown1602 (536940) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249031)

High on the list of features are security enhancements
Wow! Security enhancements... that counts as a feature now? Last time I checked, Mac OS X was pretty secure and didn't need enhancements.

improved desktop searching and organizing
Spotlight. Thank you & shut up, Jim.

Great Idea for a /. poll... (2, Insightful)

jbrader (697703) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249033)

How many people trashed tis article over at osnews and are now over here trashing it again?

Shades of Wang Freestyle (circa 1991) (2, Interesting)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249034)

"document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself"

Wang was doing this circa 1991 on AT-class hardware.

I didn't think it was all that cool at the time and I don't think it's a particularly good idea now.

Re:Shades of Wang Freestyle (circa 1991) (1)

Shag (3737) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249189)

I could see this being remotely useful if the flow of text (in the thumbnail) made it easy to tell what kind of file it was - for example, the text flows differently in a resume than in an article (or, well, it had better!) - and one had no other way of figuring things out.

So if, for example, the user has a habit of naming all their files things like AAAAAAAA.DOC, AAAAAAAB.DOC and so on (which, honestly, some Windows user out there is probably crazy enough to do) they'll think this is great.

This is hardly a replacement for a well-implemented desktop search with the ability to look for words within common document formats, though.

Intresting... (0, Redundant)

TerminaMorte (729622) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249040)

...document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself

My Ubuntu Linux system already does this.

Video files in nautilus don't have a boring Xine icon, but show a frame of the movie.

Picture icons show a thumbnail of the image.

Text files... well that's really pointless. Text is too small.

Nice to see Microsoft stealing from linux, and calling it inovation.

Good for Longhorn (4, Insightful)

CSMastermind (847625) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249042)

Now I'll admit I'm a happy windows user. I have Knoppix and Ubuntu close by but for the most part I use windows...because it works for me. I does what I want it to do and does it at an acceptable level. I for one am both excited and disappointed about Longhorn here's why:

Longhorn is a big update for Microsoft, they're planning big changes, many of them multimedia. I like the 3D enviroment and Avalon graphics (Though I still want animated program icons :-( ...maybe that's just me). I enjoy the concept of steaming video to any window and think that eliminating the difference between web and desktop apps is great. I didn't like what they pulled with WinFS but if it means the final product is better, than I say fine by me.

Sys Req (1)

killermookie (708026) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249054)

"After months of keeping its prized cow in the barn..."

In keeping with the analogy, this OS is truely a hefer [windowsitpro.com] .

Icons as a preview of the file (1)

nickyandthefuture (714155) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249056)

THIS is what they're touting as the stand-out feature in their new operating system? You could do this on a Mac since System 7, but pretty much nobody bothered except for image files since a thumbnail of a text document is next to worthless. You could even do it for bitmaps in Windows 95 if you didn't mind your computer grinding to a halt every so often.

It's something that could easily be implemented on a program-by-program basis in OS X. If they think its so great, they could do it in Office X today instead of waiting for Longhorn. Hopefully they'll let you turn it off.

Billy at it again... (1)

Palal (836081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249083)

This is the same thing I heard when Billy visited Berkeley last semester! WTF? Why are they stalling?

timing not coincidental with Tiger? (1)

rifftide (679288) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249089)

This is standard Microsoft marketing procedure, coming out with stuff on their forthcoming product just when a competitor is making a major release. It's a technique to muffle the media impact made by the competition. So instead of featuring Tiger on the cover, newspapers and magazines will play "Tiger vs. Longhorn: which will win?", ignoring the fact that one of them is just an announcement.

Re:timing not coincidental with Tiger? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249203)

This is standard marketing procedure, period.

appearance? (2, Insightful)

rayde (738949) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249112)

what i want to know is if Longhorn will offer a better looking default UI than XP... I *HATED* the green and blue look it has by default. And the available themes were almost as bad. sure it could be customized with stylesXP or whatever, but that's a pain. and since i deal with support of other people's systems alot, they usually stick with that horrid default setup. bah!

i really love the default setup for Mac OS X, and while I understand XP can be made to look like just about anything, i truly hope they get some better design people in there by the time Longhorn is actually released.

sure it's petty... but to those who have to look at it all day, it's important.

From the makers of (2, Funny)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249115)

From the makers of "Free ,as in costs money" we have "advatage, as in Same thing later".
I have to ask which dictionary they are using ..
Seriously i know marketing people are usualy full of crap , but normaly they try to avoid silly statments that are near out and out lies

How is this different from OS X? (0, Redundant)

Palal (836081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249129)

The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file. Folders, too, show glimpses of what's inside. Such images can be rather small, but they offer a visual cue that aids in the searching process, Allchin said.

The second part is already implemented in XP.

The first part is already a part of OS X.

AND THIS IS NEW???

Microsoft Linuxhorn (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249148)

Microsoft just copied Linux.

Broken ground or just broken? (1)

dan2550 (663103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249178)

But while the OS bears plenty of similarities to Tiger, Allchin stressed that Microsoft has broken new ground in Longhorn. For example, document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself.
This isnt new; KDE has had this feature for ages.

Well this proves it... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249191)

On the 29th M$ will announce that they are licensing OS X from Apple and will release an Intel version with integrated Windows Compatibility Box (the fable red box) and sell it as Long Horn. To be in store and on Dell's by January 2006.

You read it here first!

Broken ground or just broken? (1)

dan2550 (663103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249210)

Allchin stressed that Microsoft has broken new ground in Longhorn. For example, document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself. The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file.
This isnt new; KDE has had this feature for ages Folders, too, show glimpses of what's inside. Such images can be rather small, but they offer a visual cue that aids in the searching process, Allchin said.
This isnt new either! XP has this feature

oh m g (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12249218)

Suck my Longhorn

Ship it! (1)

RacerZero (848545) | more than 9 years ago | (#12249232)

"... as Allchin pointed out some advantages that Microsoft had over Apple's OS: ..."
If it has so many advantages then ship it!
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