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Tiger's 200 New Features

CmdrTaco posted about 9 years ago | from the spotlight-is-still-to-slow dept.

OS X 903

An anonymous reader writes "If this hasn't already been posted, Apple set up a page listing, by software section, all of the new features for OS X.4, or Tiger. Given that every upgrade touts over a hundred features, it is interesting to see all of the enhancements to this upgrade to see what adopters get out of the box. There are a lot which are tweaks, some new non-Spotlight oriented features and a few that are interesting, mostly security related features. 2 words: stealth mode. "

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Typical (0, Troll)

grennis (344262) | about 9 years ago | (#12261296)

If this hasn't already been posted

Of course it has been posted. But slashdot has shown repeatedly that

a) they dont mind posting a dupe
b) they worshipping everything Apple does

Combine (a) and (b) and you have a serious dupe-fest, which is what we have now.

Will we see... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261394)

Will we see an article like:

Longhorn's 20,000 New Features!

Re:Typical (1, Insightful)

justsomebody (525308) | about 9 years ago | (#12261424)

Yep, I agree. Just as I agreed with Thurrots review of Tiger,

It's basically 4 new features, others are just a small case improvements, that probably don't deserve being called feature.

1/3 of them contains Spotlight (addresses, fonts.... being able to be searched in spotlight? This is one feature not a lot of them).

Being able to compose HTML mail???

And after all MacFan bashing over gimp??? GIMP Printer Configuration

Birthday Calendar ??? New feature????
Calendar Printing ??? C'mon it's year 2005. Now every calendar software should be able to print

Wrong intro (2, Funny)

NorthDude (560769) | about 9 years ago | (#12261300)

If this hasn't already been posted

I think you really meant : "If this has already been posted"! :-P

O yeah, My first first post maybe?

Re:Wrong intro (0, Offtopic)

puiahappy (855662) | about 9 years ago | (#12261343)

Insted of making a corection to the way other people spell english maybe you shuld contribute whit something intresting and more related to the news. Btw. here you can find a detailed list of the new features [apple.com] , whit screenshots, which i think the most intresting is the new Safari web browser whit built in RSS, is not a new thing in browsers but i think this is the first time a built in browser has this feature.

Re:Wrong intro (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261414)

Perhaps you should spend some skill points in "comprehension" and "sense of humour". His comment has gone so far over your head it's not funny.

Also, the fact that someone modded him troll shows that your malady is not unique.

Re:Wrong intro (5, Funny)

NorthDude (560769) | about 9 years ago | (#12261435)

First of all, it was not really a correction of its spelling. More of a rework of its structure. My previous post, you see, was a simple joke about slashdot posting so many dupes. I know, I know, those jokes are getting old these days but I just got out of bed, am on a hangover, have not yet drank any coffee, and found it quite funny anyway.


So now, In an attempt to calm down the moderators, I'll post another joke (ripped from a newsgroup):

Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates are gathered one night, when an angel miraculously appears. The angel grants them each one question.

Linus goes first, asking, "Tell me how long it will be before Linux is completely secure and the last bug is squashed." The angel looks into the future, and then answers, "It will be 10 years before Linux is completely secure and the last bug is squashed." Linus chokes up, sheds some tears, and laments, "I may not even live to see it."

Then Jobs steps forward and asks, "Tell me how long it will be before the MacOS is completely secure and the last bug is squashed." The angel looks into the future, and then answers, "It will be 20 years before Mac OS is completely secure and the last bug is squashed." Jobs chokes up, sheds some tears, and laments, "I may not even live to see it."

After a while, the two turn to Gates, who is shuffling around and staring at the ground mumbling. "Well, Bill, aren't you going to pose your question?" they ask him. "Oh, all right," he says with annoyance, "How long will it be before Windows is completely secure and the last bug is squashed?" The angel looks into the future, then looks further, then ... the angel chokes up, sheds some tears, and laments, "I may not even live to see it."

Spotlight! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261308)

Sweet, now I can use Spotlight(TM) to search for....

First Post!

2 words: (-1, Flamebait)

Paris The Pirate (799954) | about 9 years ago | (#12261310)

"...2 words: stealth mode." 2 words: Who cares.

2 more: It's Apple.

Call me a cynic.

Re:2 words: (0, Offtopic)

Klanglor (704779) | about 9 years ago | (#12261338)

that would be 3 word.

it is apple ['s is a word too] :P

Re:2 words: (1)

TheoGB (786170) | about 9 years ago | (#12261456)

No it's not. "It's" is a contraction: A single word made from two or more words and the apostrophe is merely an indication of this.

Re:2 words: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261420)

Cynic? No, I'd rather call you a fucking moron.

Re:2 words: (3, Funny)

Rosyna (80334) | about 9 years ago | (#12261464)

Hmm, I wonder if font book is scriptable.

Also, Playing DVDs in the dock is by far the only reason I am getting Tiger.

Too bad Taco took down the other dupe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261311)

On the computer generate paper being accepted to the conference. I had a bunch of dupe jokes all lined up.

Programmer Base 10 math Calculator (2, Funny)

th1ckasabr1ck (752151) | about 9 years ago | (#12261313)

You guys might all be excited by Spotlight and Dashboard, blah blah blah... But personally I'm really excited for the "Programmer Base 10 math Calculator".

This new feature allows you to use different systems like base 8 or hexadecimal. Take that Microsoft.

Re:Programmer Base 10 math Calculator (0)

imsabbel (611519) | about 9 years ago | (#12261325)

Was this supposed to be a joke?
Or didnt you notice that the windows calculator does this if switched to scientific mode since win95?

Re:Programmer Base 10 math Calculator (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261368)

Shall I say it?

Wooooosh

Re:Programmer Base 10 math Calculator (1)

Ulrich Hobelmann (861309) | about 9 years ago | (#12261421)

$ gforth
Gforth 0.6.2, Copyright (C) 1995-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
Gforth comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `license'
Type `bye' to exit
on my Mac does that for years ;)

OK, how about... (2)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | about 9 years ago | (#12261422)

Grapher: Create 2D and 3D graphs with this full-featured equation grapher.

How about that? Not bad.

Admittedly, over 50 of their new improvements were aspects of spotlight, dashboard, dashboard widgets, etc. But there was actually more there than I'd expected.

Coincidence? (5, Funny)

empty drum (876694) | about 9 years ago | (#12261315)

Every time Apple improves upon OSX, Microsoft delays the release
of Longhorn another 6 months.

Coincidence?

I think not!

:)

Stealth mode?! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261320)

Stealth mode?!

Oh yeah, like Zone Alarm and every other Windows firewall since forever hasn't been able to do this.

Re:Stealth mode?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261341)

So, Windows does it out of the box? If so, why do you need those firewalls?

Re:Stealth mode?! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261473)

Yes! Windows XP does. With Windows XP, there is no need for third party firewalls.

Why is it that zealots, such as yourself, are only wiling to compare new products, like OS X, with Windows 95 rather than Microsoft's new product, Windows XP?

Nat Friedman said it at BrainShare 2005 and it never ceases to amaze me, most Linux users bashing Microsoft haven't used Windows since Windows 95. Here comes the clue train, there have been a few changes.

charging for . release? (-1, Troll)

mike_scheck (512662) | about 9 years ago | (#12261332)

I can't believe apple is charging money for this release. Sure, there are some features, but most of them are tweaks. For once I have to use microsoft as an example of how it *should* be done. Look at service pack 2, you get additional features, tweaks, and improved security. It seems that tiger is comparable to sp2 as far as adding features to the base OS. Apple just lost a couple of cool points in my book.

Re:charging for . release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261359)

yea, because Spotlight is just a tweak. Have you ever used Spotlight? How about BeOS? This is not a small feature or tweak, but a whole new way of finding data seamlessly throughout the system.

But according to you, yeah, this is just SP2.

Re:charging for . release? (0, Flamebait)

mike_scheck (512662) | about 9 years ago | (#12261381)

So it the google toolbar. Call me crazy, but a search feature != newos in my book.

Re:charging for . release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261415)

Call me crazy, but a search feature != newos in my book.

So are you going to question why Longhorn isn't a free upgrade? Because by the time they stop shearing off features to actually get it out the door, search is probably all they'll have left besides the new, "improved," overly-cluttered GUI.

Re:charging for . release? (1)

scribblez (745500) | about 9 years ago | (#12261489)

but now it's integrated!! OOOoooOOO

I think coreaudio, corevideo, and especially the new xcode warrants a new release. Besides they're supposedly a hefty speed boost.

Similarly, now that I look at it, win95 to win98 didn't seem like a huge difference in terms of what was offered. I'm probably wrong, but the only things I recall was stability and performance (the performance is sure there from 10.3 to 10.4.. stability was always there). Maybe easier networking? who knows?

Google Search Bar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261520)

SpotLight indexes every time there is a change (file modified or new file added). There is no delay between the change/add and the time it is searchable. The Google and Microsoft search functionality has a delay while it waits for the system to have an idle moment to run an index routine. So you may or may not get the result you are looking for with either of those tools. That means I have no confidence that the result is complete. No confidence means more work on my part to make sure that I got everything. With SpotLight I KNOW I got everything available. If you don't see the difference then either your search was useless to begin with or you don't value your time.

Re:charging for . release? (1, Troll)

Formz (870969) | about 9 years ago | (#12261369)

Are you serious? How many "features" did SP2 come with? A firewall. Wow, what a huge addition. Wait, actually that is something that should have been there since Windows 3.1. This is a MAJOR release. Wait until you actually see all the improvements first hand. I can, without certainty, see you pulling the foot out of your mouth. I'll never understand how people can comment on something they know nothing about yet. I have my (LEGAL) copy of Tiger already, and I see posts like yours and laugh.

Re:charging for . release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261399)

XP had a firewall, SP2 just turns it on by default.

Re:charging for . release? (1)

Formz (870969) | about 9 years ago | (#12261439)

Even better! The features of SP2 overwhelm me. If I hadn't already updated to it when it came out, I'd most certainly do it now when it's being forced on everyone, regaurdless of wants or needs.

Re:charging for . release? (0, Flamebait)

mike_scheck (512662) | about 9 years ago | (#12261458)

yes, because the might tiger has features such as "save as html". I mean, did you even look at the feature list? Most of them are totally bogus "aqua calculator widget" and "Burnable Folders". Oh I bow before you mighty tiger, I didn't realize you could now save text as html, and burn folders straight to cd. Please, take my wallet!!!ONE!!

Re:charging for . release? (1)

Formz (870969) | about 9 years ago | (#12261492)

Do you honestly believe that every feature in every OS release for every platform is going to have nothing but huge new features? OF COURSE there are going to be small features that no one will ever use. Are you trying to HELP your case, or hurt it?

Re:charging for . release? (2, Interesting)

daviddennis (10926) | about 9 years ago | (#12261466)

I could have sworn there was a firewall in previous releases of XP, they just tightened up the rules a bit and confused the heck out of everybody.

More than anything, XP SP 2 was designed to relieve a huge embarrassment to Microsoft, the security issues. MacOS X has security issues fixed at no charge through software update, so it's really no different.

If early accounts are any indication, Tiger will have significantly improved speed yet again. My ancient 400mhz PowerBook G4 is already faster under Panther than it's ever been and I'm looking forward to further improvements. In the same time period, MS has gone from 2000 to XP, and enormous increases in bloat and dramatic reductions in performance have been the result.

Spotlight is a feature Microsoft was trying to create in Longhorn, and it looks like their version might be cut from the Longhorn release so MS can make its deadline. Again, this is clearly something both Apple and Microsoft were planning to charge for.

Finally, features have been added to Tiger that will allow programmers to substantially speed up their processing of video, which will help applications such as Final Cut Pro. It's pretty cool to see them in the OS so that third-party programmers can use them, not just FCP. So even though buying Tiger + FCP is more expensive than getting FCP alone, I'm confident that these changes will improve third-party software to the extent that it's worthwhile.

So in conclusion I certainly don't think Tiger is in any way comparable to SP2. It's nice that something's free, but it doesn't have the comprehensiveness, new features or speed increases Tiger brings to the table.

D

Re:charging for . release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261506)

No, you're a fanboy who's justifying to themselves paying a stupid amount of money for features that could be found in the form of freeware for Windows.

Only Apple can release a service pack (and that's what this is), and get away with charging a fortune for it. Just like only Apple could market an mp3 player without a display and not get ridiculed for it on slashdot.

Re:charging for . release? (0, Flamebait)

Frankie70 (803801) | about 9 years ago | (#12261371)


It seems that tiger is comparable to sp2 as far as adding features to the base OS.


Yes, but it's apple.

Re:charging for . release? (2, Insightful)

duncangough (530657) | about 9 years ago | (#12261375)

*sigh*

OSX is widely regarded as a fairly secure system. XP is widely regarded to be as secure as a barn door.

Tiger gives you features and a speed bump, SP2 gives you application incompatability and some security features that should have been there in the initial release. No wonder it's free.

Re:charging for . release? (3, Funny)

JohnFluxx (413620) | about 9 years ago | (#12261425)

Why is a barn door not stable?

Re:charging for . release? (4, Insightful)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | about 9 years ago | (#12261468)

Because a high wind blew through a stable and knocked it's door off, so they had to put in a barn door, and now the barn is left without a door.

(This is an issue because, if the cows get out of the yard they might end up inside the barn and make a hell of a mess.)

Re:charging for . release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261376)

That might be true, but it is not a . release. It is a major release. Similar to windows 2000 -> windows xp, which you did have to pay for.
A dot release like the recent 10.3.9 is free, and easily downloaded. These updates are comparable to the service packs on the windows platform.
Don't be fooled by the numbering scheme.

Re:charging for . release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261391)

seriously... this has been discussed a million times, and if you still think this is the case (being 'just' a point release) you're rather wrong.

I do agree that it maybe does not improve as much as earlier releases (10.1 made the system USABLE, 10.2 and 10.3 made the system funtional) it is still expanding and improving this amazing OS.

The thing is that this release adds so much yummy stuff under the hood, for the geeks, and a lot of very helpful features for even the average joe.

(One thing that bugs me, writing this on a winbox - where is the spellchecker in this textarea? I could need it..)

Anyway, I think the common interpretation is that Tiger is not just a simple point release, and this shouldn't be discussed much more..

Re:charging for . release? (5, Informative)

bobinabottle (819829) | about 9 years ago | (#12261407)

Apple uses a different version numbering system. Just because it is called 10.4 doesn't really mean anything - it could just be as simply called Mac OS X 2005 or v4.0 or Mac OS Tiger for all it matters.

Comparing to Windows Service Packs, there has been two for XP. Apple has released 9 "service packs" for Mac OS X Panther.
10.3.1
10.3.2
10.3.3
10.3.4
10.3.5
10.3.6
10.3.7
10.3.8
and now 10.3.9.

These have added new features, tweaks and improved security also.

I am sick of people whinging about apple charging for "point updates;" it's is an old and worn out argument and it comes down to the simple point of if you don't want it, don't buy it.

Your comment just lost a couple of cool points in my book.

Re:charging for . release? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261448)

[blockquote] Apple uses a different version numbering system[/blockquote] br
yes apple do lots of things differently...

and I'd have thought having to release 9 service packs shows how buggy and insecure it is..

but then again the mac cult followers lap it up so who cares?!

mod-5 anti-mac (at least some good anti-mac arguements might get a chance)

Re:charging for . release? (4, Informative)

he-sk (103163) | about 9 years ago | (#12261475)

Spotlight, Dashboard, Quicktime 7, H.264, CoreImage, CoreData, X Code 2, ... are hardly "tweaks." The list goes on and on.

mod parent up ffs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261476)

what is with any comment that could be seen as anti-mac being labelled troll?
seriously its bs.
as much as half of slashdot seems to worship macs some of us don't, and I'm sick of us been labelled trolls just for having a view contrary to yours.

Re:charging for . release? (2, Insightful)

wootest (694923) | about 9 years ago | (#12261501)

(As far as the subject goes, a . release in OS X is much like a major release or at least 0.5 anywhere else - they just want to keep 10.n because OS X is supposed to mean OS 10.)

Nothing like Spotlight OR Dashboard OR Automator as far as order of magnitude goes got added to SP2. SP2 brought a better firewall - so does Tiger. SP2 brought vastly improved security - so does Tiger, to a certain degree (the reason SP2 could deliver vast improvements was because there was a lot of room for it - OS X may not be *all that*, but it's been more secure than XP from day one, for whatever reasons). SP2 brought better handling of wireless network - wireless networks have been way easier to handle on OS X overall.

We haven't even looked into the new stuff, like the new improvements in QuickTime and the addition of Core Image/Video which basically relayers the whole graphical layer part of the OS and allows for much better performance.

SP2 is an example of constantly improving the OS, yes, but so's Tiger, and to a much larger level of magnitude if you look at all the facts. I'm not exactly jumping with joy over having to pay Apple $129. And I'm not exactly the guy that'll take advantage of every single of those 200 features. But I'm liking it for what it is - steady improvement of the OS, so that people won't have to get used to ages of stagnation, be it the way it was with System 7 or the way it is with Windows currently, where security has developed into a feature.

(And yes, Linux is steadily developing too. This discussion is about SP2 vs Tiger.)

200+? (4, Insightful)

plumby (179557) | about 9 years ago | (#12261340)

There looks like there will be some great new features in Tiger, but I think they are stretching it with things like "Import contacts into Address Book in a variety of formats, including tab-delimited and comma-separated text." and "Print a handy pocket address book to take with you anywhere."

By including this type of thing in the list it threatens to swallow all of the real new features like Dashboard and Spotlight.

Re:200+? (5, Insightful)

patsalov (710245) | about 9 years ago | (#12261384)

Some of the new features may be a stretch, but you must also admit that there are hundreds of new features in Xcode 2 alone, which is only mentioned once.

Re:200+? (1)

dmarcoot (96402) | about 9 years ago | (#12261481)

your right. but the best new feature IMHO, Core, is not very sexy or easy to explain to the less savvy user. I think its worthy update, but i too find the counting every minor thing as feature to be disingenuous. but thats marketing 101.

Re:200+? (3, Insightful)

sabinm (447146) | about 9 years ago | (#12261497)

While I'd be inclined to agree with you on a lot of these points, what I'd add as some justification is that a lot of the features that will be included as _default_ in Tiger are not available by default in a ready-made usable form in windows. A quality photo manager, excellent chat client, a usable mail application, decent file management (the one thing all modern OS lack), dvd playback, multimedia playback suite, all these things microsoft sells as a additional product (did anyone go out and buy XP Plus)? Or you must download or buy as stand-alone anyway. So, yeah. Saves me tons of time and money by purchasing Tiger for the program suite alone, and makes the improvements worth the time, money and effort. (Where I live bandwidth is metered and capped at 2gig so I don't try all the quality free software or even quality commercial downloadable software I want). Once a year and a half I upgrade my OS for a hundred and thirty bucks. I think it's worth it. Plus, I know that if I don't upgrade, no one is slowly trying to push me out of usability of my old programs by making them imcompatible with the next version of whatever the that company decides to push.

Burnable folders (2, Interesting)

digidave (259925) | about 9 years ago | (#12261347)

Looks like they took the burnable folder feature straight out of Gnome.(eg. the burn:/// folder in Gnome)

Re:Burnable folders (1)

Frankie70 (803801) | about 9 years ago | (#12261392)


Looks like they took the burnable folder feature straight out of Gnome


Next time, the Gnome people can have billboards like "Cupertino, start your photocopiers".

But they have to be careful, because Apple being a litigious company, may sue them.

Re:Burnable folders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261507)

And the world would laugh their asses off at them like everyone is at you retard.

Apple has had this feature in a different form for a long,long time dumbshit.

Re:Burnable folders (2, Interesting)

remahl (698283) | about 9 years ago | (#12261429)

Except Apple used this model before. When you insert a CDR, it gets mounted on the desktop and you add to it like you would with any other disk. When you eject it, the contents is burnt.

The new thing is that "burnable folders" can be at any location in the (user's view of the) file system. At least that's my guess. I'm not familiar with burn:///, but it sounds like it is always in a specific location?

Re:Burnable folders (1)

totoanihilation (782326) | about 9 years ago | (#12261482)

Actually, ever since OSX has had burning capabilities built-in, we've been able to place a 'burn' button in finder windows. Don't know what they're referring to here.

Perhaps it's to program a dynamic-contents (a.k.a. spotlight-generated) folder to have that button while other folders don't?

Re:Burnable folders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261510)

I never understood why burning a CD in the Finder needed to:

1. Drag files onto the (virtual) disk to copy (takes ages)
2. Burn the disc.

This is very very slow.

Why couldn't this just work like Toast:

drag files (just referenced where they are on the file system, not copy them to a new location) and burn !

Why is stealth mode pointed out as special? (3, Interesting)

Jugalator (259273) | about 9 years ago | (#12261349)

It's essential for any respectable firewall, and both e.g. Kerio and ZA even for Windows should have this, and both are available in free versions.

And firewall log?? Hmm, excuse me, but is the news Tiger just got a standard quality firewall or what? That's be more reason to blush than be overjoyed IMHO.

Re:Why is stealth mode pointed out as special? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261383)

It's essential for any respectable firewall, and both e.g. Kerio and ZA even for Windows should have this, and both are available in free versions.

As usual, the Wintards miss the point. The only firewall you should be comparing is the one that is included with Windows XP, because the firewall in question is included with Tiger. So does the built-in XP firewall have logging and stealth mode?

Linuxtard! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261508)

So does the built-in XP firewall have logging and stealth mode?

Yes! You Linuxtard.

Re:Why is stealth mode pointed out as special? (5, Informative)

remahl (698283) | about 9 years ago | (#12261386)

OS X's firewall is very competent (ipfw). However, Apple's GUI for it was quite rudimentary, for good and for bad. It basically had a button to turn it on or off and one to open ports.

Most consumer-oriented firewalls overdo the configurability and impose the log on users who would be better of not knowing how many malicious and non-malicious "attacks" are directed towards their computers, as long as the firewall blocks them. It's the attacks that aren't blocked / logged that should be interesting.

Apple always strives to strike a balance between "user-friendliness" and power. Apparently they decided they should give stealth mode to those who need it and make it easier to view a log.

Re:Why is stealth mode pointed out as special? (3, Informative)

emidln (806452) | about 9 years ago | (#12261398)

The news is that they just got built-in tools to configure it. In comparison to Windows, third-party programs have been available to configure (not really install, since OS X uses IPFW from FreeBSD) the firewall in a user-friendly way since its release. The firewall has always been available in OS X, its just that you had to use the UNIX underpinnings or find a third-party program to use advanced features.

Re:Why is stealth mode pointed out as special? (3, Insightful)

argent (18001) | about 9 years ago | (#12261417)

Client firewalls are of limited utility. I don't understand why people bother with them.

If you need to provide access to a service, then you have to open its matching ports anyway. If you need to protect a port/daemon/service/wakilix from attack, just don't run it. The only reason for a firewall is to protect you when you can't turn one off for some reason, and if that's the case then you're probably using Windows.

Re:Why is stealth mode pointed out as special? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261483)

Sometimes you need to provide access to a service on one network adapter and not another, and the software in question doesn't provide for that.

Sometimes there are oversights in software that you need to work around, and a software firewall can help (yes, this mostly applies to windows).

A client firewall is often more of a hindrance than a help for the experienced user, but you seem to be forgetting that a huge chunk of the world is made up of inexperienced users.

Apple is Microsoft (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261382)


Apple is Microsoft with tiny market share.

If I had to choose between Apple and Microsoft, I'd pick Linux [debian.org] any day.

Re:Apple is Microsoft (2, Insightful)

organum (210431) | about 9 years ago | (#12261460)

I would, too. But, as much as I work via the CLI, I also need a mature GUI. OS X is the only game in town in that regard.
("Damn the electric fence!")

Re:Apple is Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261514)


I'm not sure what you mean by "mature". If this is another word for "produced by Apple" then maybe you're right. Otherwise, you either never seen Linux GUI (it's excelllent) or your are misleading people on purpose.

Our company recently migrated to Linux workstations after years of Windows. Can't say that I see much of a difference between Linux and Windows GUIs nor I miss Windows GIU at all.

Stealth Mode already ported to Linux!Thanks Apple! (3, Funny)

zr-rifle (677585) | about 9 years ago | (#12261385)

iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -i ! eth0 -j ACCEPT
iptables -P INPUT DROP
/bin/echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all

Re:Stealth Mode already ported to Linux!Thanks App (1)

l3v1 (787564) | about 9 years ago | (#12261521)

Great God, only on /. could such a comment [i.e. insightful] be modded "funny". I guess some 3 year old 6pack didn't have his morning coffee. Next time please mod some joke insightful, oh wait, that's nothing new either.

Password Helper (4, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 9 years ago | (#12261389)

a few that are interesting, mostly security related features

I think a lot of network admins will breath a sigh of partial relief when they see the Password Helper. There will always be the "[kids_name]123" password people, but there are a decent number of users who want something secure but easy to remember, and to know roughly how secure a particular password is.

IT NOW ONLY TAKES TEN MINUTES TO COPY A 17MB FILE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261395)

fuckers

Spotlight (0)

thundercatslair (809424) | about 9 years ago | (#12261397)

Does anyone else here find spotlight to be sort of useless? So it starts searching on the fly rather then after you hit enter, I really don't see an advantage here other then saving yourself a few seconds.

Re:Spotlight (1)

organum (210431) | about 9 years ago | (#12261434)

If it works as well as Quicksilver, it will be impressive. But this kind of feature isn't for everybody, to be sure. With Quicksilver, one can spare oneself a lot of poking about and futzing with the mouse -- once accustomed to how it works.

Re:Spotlight (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261455)

I think personally Spotlight has been massively overhyped. Even Steve Jobs didn't seem to get much response to it when he demoed it in one of his keynotes. I think this was a bit of a 'me too' thing that Apple did in reaction to MS and Google. That's bad for Apple because they are only at their best when they are leading not following. There are also some types of data and workflow that Spotlight won't really even be useful for, and would just cause more confusion for.

Re:Spotlight (4, Insightful)

Nutcase (86887) | about 9 years ago | (#12261490)

You're looking for a file containing the word "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" (sic?)

In any case, in spot light you type "superca" and the list refines itself enough that you see it and start working with it.

If it waited for you to hit enter, how far would you type? Would "superca" be enough? Maybe you would type "supercalifra" to be safe. Maybe, if you were like most users, you would think you needed to type the whole word out... then you spell it wrong (like i probably did above) and it doesn't find anything.

Live search minimizes your typing. It's the same reason for type-ahead find in firefox. It just works better.

safari e-mail feature/xml (1)

organum (210431) | about 9 years ago | (#12261402)

Am I missing something or is this just a way to trap e-mail addresses? Does anyone know what paths/mechanisms are being used to send the e-mail? Perhaps it's simply using configured accounts in the Mail app.

The XML suite will be usefull, I hope, XML tools on the Mac side are pretty paltry. Though Oxygen has a functional kluge, the interface is dismal.

WoW.... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261408)

If it's a tiger, shouldn't it have Prowl mode?

Cats rock!

Private Browsing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261411)

Keep cookies, history and caches private when using Safari on a public access Mac.

aka the ultimate porn surfing solution?

You guys are all crazy (5, Funny)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | about 9 years ago | (#12261413)

I was just sitting at my freelance gig, reading some online encyclopedia (win supersite, I believe) and the scientist there said that there are only 2 features: spotlight and something else. He stated that all other ones are pretty much nothing.

He also said, and I'll have to agree with him on this one, that SP 2 is a much better update than Tiger, and it's FREE!

I don't even know what you MAC people are cheering about, you're not even getting a firewall OR pop-up blocker, not to mention malicious software detector with you're upgrade your paying $$ 4! LOL!

Re:You guys are all crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261467)

you're not even getting a firewall OR pop-up blocker, not to mention malicious software detector with you're upgrade your paying

Because we already have that. Besides, why would we require a malicious software detector when there are none known for OS X. There is a reason why no one buys antivirus software for the OS X platform, there is no reason.

Re:You guys are all crazy (0)

Chucker23N (661210) | about 9 years ago | (#12261479)

That may be because we've had a Firewall since 10.2, back in August 2002, and a pop-up blocker since Safari, in January 2003.

Calling anything Thurrott writes an "encyclopedia" is a rather interesting kind of sarcasm, btw.

HFS+ CLI file commands (4, Interesting)

doon (23278) | about 9 years ago | (#12261426)

From the list:

Use command line file commands on HFS+ items with proper results -- utilities such as cp, mv, tar, rsync now use the same standard APIs as Spotlight and access control lists to handle resource forks.

Being both a Mac User and a Command LIne Junky. This makes me happy.

CoreImage/CoreVideo/CoreData/QuickTime/Sync (5, Informative)

nguyenhm (577058) | about 9 years ago | (#12261428)

I think the most interesting new features of Tiger are under the hood. Those four new frameworks add an incredible amount of functionality into the base OS, which can be easily used by future applications. For examle, CoreImage adds tons of image processing features a la Photoshop, is extensible, and uses the GPU.

Too expensive.... (4, Insightful)

Rick Zeman (15628) | about 9 years ago | (#12261444)

...at $129 yet again, but I've got the family pack on pre-order, so amortize the $150 after the Amazon rebate across 4 Macs and it's quite the bargain. They should really provide upgrade pricing, but the $129 list is still wayyyyy cheaper than XP Pro, but twice as expensive as my SUSE 9.2 boxed set.

Re:Too expensive.... (1)

dmarcoot (96402) | about 9 years ago | (#12261513)

so is it too expensive or cheap? Given that Microsoft is the market leader, undercutting their price while offering comparable or even better features would be a bargain.

Does M$ offer the family pack on Pro?

whats your problem again?

tiger is a minor release (0, Troll)

BillGatesTheSecond (234780) | about 9 years ago | (#12261449)

apples loud-mouth marketing is pathetic, 200 new features? yeah right...just like the "over 150 new features" in panther?, i could count to about 7 or 8, the only new feauters in tiger is spotlight, automator, core video and....well, thats about it.

they should give this one for free to all its customers that bought a previous version of mac os x.

apple is cheap, really cheap...

Get over Tiger already (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261469)

Spotlight isnt that interesting.

Dashboard does what... google does... and almost any linux desktop environment.

Stealth mode? Seems like this was possible before (with a bit of unix love) in OS X before anyway...

The only thing nice it adds is GCC 4.0 which you could have already upgraded to. Worth 129? Hell no. Nice if your buying a new mac? Hell yah. Personally I'll wait till 10.5 and hope it has some more interesting features or speedups...

Ohh my f00king Quad! *how lame bragging!* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261486)

Firewall Stealth Mode

Whaaat? what's there to brag about this ... every *nix since the age of dawn, has had this feature!

(ok, it's been a thing someone with know-how had to configure, but it's been there!)

PS. What would be interessting to see, would be a comparission of how many of the 'new features' they brag about are good ol'dys that's been in *nix all along...

moderating here... (5, Insightful)

mike_scheck (512662) | about 9 years ago | (#12261488)

I just wanted to point out that I have been on slashdot for a while now, and I have *never* seen a thread with so many posts moderated as "troll", "flamebait" or "offtopic". Many of the posts are valid points, and if they were discussing microsoft, they would be modded +5 funny, or +5 informative. It seems to me someone is taking things a little too defensively.

For the record, I hate microsoft, and I am a unix guy at heart. That doesn't mean that everyting apple feeds to me I have to love. A little healthy criticism does everyone good, including apple.

mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12261522)

Well said.

Apple is getting more and more like Microsoft (0, Flamebait)

samxiao (757407) | about 9 years ago | (#12261515)

i'm feeling concerned maybe i just go back to Linux

Entourage/Spotlight (4, Interesting)

dimer0 (461593) | about 9 years ago | (#12261523)

One of the new features is that Mail.app supports Exchange servers - but I have a feeling this is just imap support and won't handle meeting invites, etc.

So, I'm stuck using Entourage. Does anyone know if Spotlight will be indexing Entourage emails, etc? I sure hope so! My corporation has ignorantly banned Google Desktop search on the windows machines, so I no longer have a way of finding emails I need in a snap. Entourage + Spotlight puts me back in the game on that front.
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