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Nintendo Revolution Under Wraps Past E3

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the taking-their-ball-and-going-home dept.

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The next-generation Nintendo console, codenamed Revolution, may not be shown at this year's E3. Eurogamer reports that the Japanese console maker is going to keep the console under wraps to keep the features of the new system out of the limelight a little while longer. From the article: "Nintendo boss Satoru Iwata is worried about rivals nicking all his best ideas at this early stage. That's how revolutionary the new console is, apparently... and also the exact same line Nintendo used to avoid showing Mario 128 at a previous E3."

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competition (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288766)

Nintendo's DS got bitchslapped by Sony's PSP .. they don't want to get bitchslapped again.

Re:competition (-1, Troll)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288829)

No way in hell. The PSP is an overpriced piece of shit. The DS is bitchslapping the PSP.

Re:competition (0, Troll)

-kertrats- (718219) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288875)

The PSP is definitely an overpriced piece of shit, but the DS is a mediocre underperforming gimmick. Both sides did rather poorly in this battle, I think.

Re:competition (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288947)

but the DS is a mediocre underperforming gimmick. Both sides did rather poorly in this battle, I think.

I agree. The PSP didn't have anything to catch my attention, but the DS has been dissapointing. I think Gabe/Tycho said it best at Penny Arcade when he said "The DS doesn't have any games, just some tech demos."

The DS could be good and new, but I've yet to see a game take advantage of the new features in a meaningful way.

Re:Actually (2, Insightful)

aixou (756713) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288885)

Actually, they seem to be pretty neck-and-neck (in Japan at least). Check here [the-magicbox.com] for details.

Nintendo has this obsessive-compulsive desire to be original and I hope it doesn't dig them into an even larger hole this time. Time will tell, but it doesn't look to be on Nintendo's side a.t.m.

Re:competition (3, Informative)

Collision891 (814593) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288872)

Thats odd, considering the DS has sold more than half a million more units the PSP in Japan, and were released only within a few weeks of each other.

Re:competition (1)

danbeck (5706) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288906)

The PSP is one nice looking piece of hardware, but what are you going to play on it? The same kind of crap games you can get on the DS. Neither company is going to get my money until they release a decent game worth playing. Re-hashes of racing games and Tetris on steriods does not cut it folks. Neither does half-baked dating simulators and kiddie-poo games for the DS.

Re:competition (1)

binaryspiral (784263) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289034)

The only thing the DS has that got me to buy it was it's backwards compatibility with GBA games. I don't own a GBA, but a lot of games in that line I really enjoy playing.

So I'm keeping myself happy playing GBA games on my DS until something worthy comes out on DS cards.

The next Zelda game better be DS... or I'm going to go postal.

FP (1)

Big Troller (651808) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288770)

wahoo.... [ninjapants.org]

Vapor.... (-1, Flamebait)

maelstrom (638) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288778)

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, spare me the hype.

Re:Vapor.... (4, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288817)

"I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, spare me the hype."

So I take it that you won't be paying attention to the XBOX 360 or Playstation 3, either?

Re:Vapor.... (1)

nxtw (866177) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288842)

They ARE being unveiled at or before E3, while Nintendo has expiclitly said they won't have anything to show. That's a lot different than saying "we have nothing".

Re:Vapor.... (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288900)

"They ARE being unveiled at or before E3, while Nintendo has expiclitly said they won't have anything to show."

Eh I'm so confused by this. Just 2 days ago I read that Nintendo was going to show clips of the games, but not the actual system. *Rolleyes* In any event, I wouldn't equate that with "we have nothing". Nintendo wouldn't make that bold of risk at the turn of a new generation.

As for Sony and Microsoft, they'll show their systems and make ridiculous claims about the capabilities of them. They're going to be suffering from hype-burn, too.

Re:Vapor.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12289014)

its all bad word of mouth, and mis-intupretations. at GDC they said that the revolution would not be "showcased" at E3, meaning it wouldnt be center stage, not that it wouldnt make an appearance at all.

Re:Vapor.... (1, Offtopic)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289035)

Speaking of vaporware has anyone heard anything about the phan tom gaming console?

Hmmm... (5, Funny)

Nicky G (859089) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288779)

Maybe it has.... 3 screens?

Re:Hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288814)

...and eight asses!

Re:Hmmm... (5, Funny)

glassjaw rocks (793596) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288818)

Maybe they'll call it the Nintendo Mach III. Then Microsoft will probably release the Xbox Quattro, or something to that effect.

Re:Hmmm... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12289024)

Man, that joke was Schick.

Re:Hmmm... (3, Interesting)

happymedium (861907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288876)

This is a more serious problem than it seems. Nintendo's "innovations" sometimes turn out to be interesting, e.g. Mario 64's control scheme, some turn out pointless, e.g. Virtual Boy. Honestly, I think the DS will fall in the latter category; its "innovative" features don't impress consumers as much as the PSP's, and game designers may or may not come up with any actually interesting uses for them.

An aside: I recall reading that the Virtual Boy was designed by the same person, Gunpei Yokoi, who designed the Game Boy, and that after the product's failure the company made him personally demonstrate it at the next year's E3...to no one, because no one cared. And this was despite his history as a brilliant innovator. Let's hope "Revolution" doesn't suffer the same fate.

(Or, maybe the "Revolution" will be that Nintendo decides that online gaming is a pretty good idea, what with Microsoft and that whole "Live" thing. ^_^)

Re:Hmmm... (1)

compm375 (847701) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288928)

I think many people look at the PSP and DS like this:
PSP = cool, but way too expensive AND expensive games
DS = reasonable price, backwords compatibility to have many cheap games, plus a bunch of useless features tacked on
Even if I am not going to make use of the features, the DS still looks like a better buy.

Re:Hmmm... (2, Interesting)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289006)

I'm a nintendo fanboy, but I still consider the DS to be a loss for this sub-generation (not truly a successor to the GBA). But as long as it doesn't turn out to be the end of the gameboy "pure" line (i.e. as long as Nintendo keeps their promises), well, it's no skin off my nose.

Re:Hmmm... (0, Offtopic)

Luigi30 (656867) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288948)

Yokoi got hit by a car and died a few years ago.

No...I've seen it. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288913)

It has an anal "joy-buzzer" to give a more immersive force feedback experience. I know what you're thinking. Not only does it have 3 vibration settings, it can also deliver qute powerful electric shocks. I only tested a unit for the north american market. I would hope that the "unit" for the Japanese market will be smaller, because even at 6'5" and 300lbs I found the american version to be....uncomfortable.

Re:No...I've seen it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288975)

You are truly an ass-clown

Re:Hmmm... (1)

crazyaxemaniac (219708) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288936)

So, basically the Nintendo DS IS the controller.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

Trejkaz (615352) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289045)

That would certainly be their plans for a few games. There are many GameCube games which use the GBA as a controller, many of which rock (can anyone say "Crystal Chronicles"?)

It would be great to see a touchscreen / dual-screen version in the next generation.

Nintendo sure are sitting on a lot of potential here, but really I only want to see one thing... the new console should run the same protocol as the DS, but be able to route it over a real network.

Lets just hope it isn't too revolutionary (0, Flamebait)

Brandon Kleinvehn (877424) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288780)

That's how revolutionary the new console is Lets just hope that doesn't mean something like "Lets dare to be different, and use annoying mini-disks instead of the standard DVDs. They provide lower quality, AND they don't meet up to modern-day standards. Its brilliant!"

Re:Lets just hope it isn't too revolutionary (5, Insightful)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288830)

"That's how revolutionary the new console is Lets just hope that doesn't mean something like "Lets dare to be different, and use annoying mini-disks instead of the standard DVDs. They provide lower quality, AND they don't meet up to modern-day standards. Its brilliant!"

This might be insightful if Nintendo wasn't responsible for the standard 4 controller ports, standard analog sticks, standard 'rumble' functions, the huge portable gaming market, yadda yadda yadda.

Re:Lets just hope it isn't too revolutionary (5, Insightful)

DanthemaninVA1 (750886) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288887)

"They provide lower quality..." AND they reduce piracy, which is excessively rampant for the XBox and the PS2. Go looking for XBox and PS2 game torrents, and you'll find them by the hundreds. You'll be able to count the number of Gamecube torrents on your fingers. Besides...lower quality that's also better than the PS2? Not lower quality, but rather less space.

Re:Lets just hope it isn't too revolutionary (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288908)

annoying mini-disks
If you're referring to the Gamecube's discs, what the hell are you talking about?

lower quality
In what sense?

don't meet up to modern-day standards
It's true that they don't have as much capacity as DVDs, but how many multi-disc Gamecube games have there been? In fact, the smaller discs are capable of spinning faster than DVDs, providing faster transfer rates (or so I've heard).

Re:Lets just hope it isn't too revolutionary (1)

Tarcastil (832141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288922)

Man, I remember not all that long ago when someone would say "I'm gonna play nintendo" and mean any console. Nintendo just isn't getting the same respect they used to even for their older games.

Re:Lets just hope it isn't too revolutionary (1)

Sprotch (832431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288998)

You just me feel like an old geezer. I remember saying "I'm gonna play atari" for any game console. Reminds me that I've heard my little cousin use the phrase "I'm gonna play playstation" in the same sense.

History repeats, albeit in shorter cycles. Time flies faster within the tech industry.

Re:Lets just hope it isn't too revolutionary (2, Informative)

SchemeHacker (877446) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288972)

The mini-disks are used because they avoid DVD licensing issues and the constant velocity drive gives better performance (shorter loading times.)

Re:Lets just hope it isn't too revolutionary (1, Insightful)

nc_yori (870325) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288997)

In addition to previously mentioned innovations made by Nintendo (4 controller ports standard, etc.) another benefit of mini disc size is it forces publishers to actually use their brains when producing GC games.

Strangely enough, less space on disc available to the gamemaker means they can't just cram a bunch of FMV sequences into a crapass game then ship it off. When you consider that all new games cost about the same upon release, I'd say the gamer benefits from publishers rising to meet that challenge.

And even if Nintendo is playing the idiot corporation card for E3, I still think they deserve credit for game ideas that, IMHO, benefit the gamer in the end. I think a great example of this is the Donkey Konga/Jungle Run franchise. I realize that Dance Dance Revolution existed before this, but Nintendo seems to be the first one to actually bring this idea to the console. "Hey, wow! How about we make something new, as opposed to making yet another sports sim game?"

Boss Satoru Iwata... (5, Funny)

iammaxus (683241) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288785)

...he is definitley the hardest one to beat. I remember that time I played all night long and I made it up to Boss SI (that's what it says above his life bar cause his name doesn't fit on the screen). I was kickin ass, but then my mom came and pulled the stupid plug.

Re:Boss Satoru Iwata... (3, Funny)

9mm Censor (705379) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288800)

Yeah man, I moved out after my mom unplugged my computer while I was downloading this uber 1337 garbage file.

Re:Boss Satoru Iwata... (1)

glassjaw rocks (793596) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288846)

Oh god, how I wish I had mod points.

Re:Boss Satoru Iwata... (1)

chris_eineke (634570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289009)

I was kickin ass, but then my mom came and pulled the stupid plug.

Why is this modded funny? Slashdot needs a +1 Sad moderation!
Anyways, I remember playing Super Mario Brothers 3 on our Canadian NES system in Germany. I was about to enter Bowser's castle, and my mom yanks open the door. Unfortunately she yanked out the wall-wart of the NES in the process. You shoulda seen my face:

:-O

Shhh!! Secrets. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288787)

Wow. It's a good thing they kept the GameCube secret, otherwise sony and microsoft might have outcompeted and outsold them.

Shy Lies (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288796)

Because of course Sony and Microsoft only hear about features at conferences like E3. While the rest of us get the inside track at Slashdot!

Re:Shy Lies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12289001)

Speak for yourself, I for one never read Slashdot.

If they dont show it off then, When will they? (1)

keeleysam (792221) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288797)

I haven't been keeping up on console games recently, so I dont know what evenets still exist. I *think* that there is some show in Japan in the Fall, but I don't know. I think Nntendo should atleast have some beta hardware to show off, not just DS and Gamecube games. This may hurt them. But maybe this is jsut a flase rumor.

Now let's wait for E3.

Re:If they dont show it off then, When will they? (1)

Cryptnotic (154382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288930)

I *think* that there is some show in Japan in the Fall, but I don't know.

Uh... Tokyo Game Show [cesa.or.jp] maybe?

These guys defined product delay (1)

Fox_1 (128616) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288798)

I tell you as a 13 year old I learned more about the economics and marketing tricks of consumer electronics by waiting and waiting for my Super Famicom - uhm I mean SNES (North American release), Just watching all the consoles that never were (err the Play Station was, though Nintendo bailed) showed me how committed to product schedules Nintendo was.

Re:These guys defined product delay (0)

keeleysam (792221) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288821)

If you are 13 now, you couldn't have been around for SNES...

2005
- 13
-----
1992

SNES came out in 1991, and even if it did coem out in 1992, I don't think you could remember it.

Thank you, I'll be here all week.

Re:These guys defined product delay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288834)

I think he's referring to when he was 13, not saying that he is 13 now.

Re:These guys defined product delay (1)

TiredGamer (564844) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288891)

He was thirteen when he was waiting, not that he's a thirteen-year-old today. Reading comprehension is a plus in all jobs but management... is your hair pointy perhaps? ;)

Re:These guys defined product delay (4, Funny)

WaterBreath (812358) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288927)

Well, I think it was an attempt at a joke.

Someone else modded him down while I was looking for the "-1 Belabored" or "-1 Bad Joke" options in the moderation box. =)

Maybe I should have been looking for "+0.5 Almost Funny"?

Re:These guys defined product delay (0, Troll)

barc0001 (173002) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288961)

You're 13 with a user number 45,000 lower than mine, and I registered in 1999? I'm thinking not...

Bad news (-1, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288799)

Look, the X-Box 360 and Playstation 3 are already designed and getting ready to debut at E3. It's not like they can radically change the design in time for their ship dates by stealing Nintendo's ideas at E3.

Nintendo is quickly losing steam with its developers. Who wants to develop future games for a console they know nothing about? While I appreciate Nintendo's position as well as their avoidance of pre-product hype these days, they need to get something out the door and let people know that yes, Nintendo is still around and planning something very big. And then show it to us! The old Nintendo was such a marvel because of its huge library of games. The Playstation and Playstation 2 enjoyed this same developer support. Nintendo needs to do as much as it can to appear as a viable platform and get some games on that thing. "Real artists ship."

Re:Bad news (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12289056)

Nintendo doesn't need to show off their system to let developers get a feel for it. It is 100% backwards compatible with the Gamecube and uses the same development API.

Effectively they can run a more fine grained marketing strategy because of this. No need to shout "you should learn how to program like this." Once Nintendo 3rd parties have the devkits in hand they should already know how to program it.

Remember: This is a TRADE SHOW. You let developers and publishers know what's up. Nintendo has already told them enough to get started. Know your Gamecube and Nintendo DS APIs and you should be good to go for everything Revolution.

It's a Revolution! (0, Troll)

Mediocre At Best (872710) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288802)

Or they have nothing. Whichever.

Linux Already (-1, Offtopic)

dsginter (104154) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288804)

Nintendo has the most to gain by releasing a console based on Linux. In this respect, they could capture some console market and then facilitate for the same apps to be released on Linux. At some point, the chicken and the egg problem with Linux will be solved and quite profitable.

Re:Linux Already (2, Interesting)

compm375 (847701) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288835)

The Open Source community has the most to gain if Nintendo releases a console based on Linux.

Re:Linux Already (1)

Nataku564 (668188) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288847)

In case you hadn't noticed ... Nintendo already has captured some of the console market. Adding Linux as a "feature" would attract very little new capital, I would imagine ... and probably just make the thing run slower.

Re:Linux Already (3, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288848)

"Nintendo has the most to gain by releasing a console based on Linux. In this respect, they could capture some console market and then facilitate for the same apps to be released on Linux."

There are more people with GameCubes than using Linux today. Why would Linux make the next Nintendo system suddenly capture marketshare when nobody even cared that the PS2 had a Linux kit?

Re:Linux Already (1)

pyrrhonist (701154) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289013)

Why would Linux make the next Nintendo system suddenly capture marketshare when

It most likely wouldn't. If Nintendo designed it correctly, most people probably wouldn't even know it had Linux in it.

nobody even cared that the PS2 had a Linux kit?

That's probably because Sony created the PS2 Linux kit for game developers/hobbyists and not the normal consumer. It was available through Sony's website, but it was definitely designed to be an inexpensive T10K. It even comes with the developer documentation.

It did, however, sell out in both the U.S. and Japan, so somebody must have cared.

Re:Linux Already (4, Funny)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288916)

Oh you bring a tear to my eye. Oh how you bring back the memories of Slashdot of years past. You know, Slashdot before the Legion of Jobs showed up and proclaimed that Apple had an answer to everything.
Yes. Bring me back my old Slashdot. Please, please bring back:

1. Make it with Linux
2. ??
3. Profit!

Bring back the good old days, when BSD was dead and Red Hat was king.
(and yes I AM serious)

Re:Linux Already (3, Insightful)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288940)

Consoles have essentially one hardware configuration. A heavyweight OS like Linux would slow it down horribly. If you want a general-purpose machine instead of one only to play games, go buy a PC. In fact, you can play games on those, too.

As they say... (5, Funny)

FhnuZoag (875558) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288813)

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

Re:As they say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288981)

Most consoles are played on a T.V. Technically, it will be televised. Just not at E3.

Stupid Nintendo! (3, Interesting)

bhive01 (832162) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288815)

I'm so frustrated with Nintendo. It's like they haven't gotten it since the early 90s with the SNES. CDs? Who needs those? Whatever defines their self-made revolution had better be the end all to games for it to fly. PS3 and 360 are going to appeal to the masses and steal away more of Nintendo's turf. I myself am considering jumping ship as Nintendo has failed to inspire me this last generation as it did with the first two.

Re:Stupid Nintendo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288841)

But has anybody else really impressed you in this gen? All games that are made now are just remakes of something that has already been done so it's not like you have anything to look foreward to.

Re:Stupid Nintendo! (1)

VoidWraith (797276) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288938)

There have been some pretty original, fun PS2 titles. Katamari Damacy, for instance, has been surprisingly popular.

Re:Stupid Nintendo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288929)

Since the N64, the Nintendo has always been the "second console". You know, the one you got because it had a couple of games you really wanted, maybe you pull it out for parties and smash bros or wario ware. Even if Nintendo flubs here, they'll probably still maintain the "other console" crown as long as they continue to roll out interesting party games and franchise "classics" with new polish.

Re:Stupid Nintendo! (5, Insightful)

bartyboy (99076) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288967)

Why does everyone blast Nintendo for doing what Apple has been doing for years? Both companies produce a very solid product and don't want their thunder and/or hard work stolen by a bunch of copycats.

Their goal is not the domination of their particular market; instead, they focus on being profitable companies. I say kudos to them for having the balls to make something that works well, is fun and intuitive to use AND still be able to sell enough of it to make some money. And if it takes some secrecy to bring their products to the market, then I'm all for it.

not ready (0, Flamebait)

blendmaster (800386) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288822)

oh no! we can't show our super-duper freaking-innovative design at e3 because our competitors will change their designs at a heartbeat to accomodate our super innovative stuff. and remember, thats super innovative kids, super innovative!

no seriously, i think this just means that theyre not ready to show it.

Re:not ready (2, Informative)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288879)

"no seriously, i think this just means that theyre not ready to show it."

Or it'd be simple to integrate. The Dual Shock controller came out pretty quickly after the N64 was unveiled.

makes no difference to me... (2, Insightful)

BTWR (540147) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288824)

Show it, don't show it, whatever. I know I'm still getting it, and it'll be the only next-gen system I buy.

I have owned every nintendo system since the NES (haven't picked up a DS yet though), and the video gaming experience from nintendo has never been matched for me by other systems (Genesis might have briefly come close). I grew up on Zelda, Mario and Metroid, and I have loved seeing how these genres and characters have evolved (I swear I have loved 100% of each of these game's evolutions over the last 20+ years - that track record simply can't be beat).

Nothing against PS2 and XBox, but I have absolutely no interest in following the adventures of "Master Chief," or Ico. I'm sure these games are good, but I won't be playing them.

Re:makes no difference to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288921)

Did your fanboy kit come with a costume, or did your mom sew it for you?

Re:makes no difference to me... (1)

BTWR (540147) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289005)

someone clearly doesn't know what a fanboy is. In the grandparent post, I said:

"Nothing against PS2 and XBox, but I have absolutely no interest in... [Halo] or Ico. I'm sure these games are good, but I won't be playing them."

A fanboy is someone who blindly loves "their thing" and makes ridiculous attacks at the competition (i.e. "XBox RULES!!! Nintendo is T3H GAY!!11!"). I clearly said I am a nintendo fan, but I said nothing against the other systems, and even said that I'm sure they're good games, but I have no interest in playing them.

Tell me, do you like any of the Star Wars, Matrix or LOTR films? If so (I'm sure you like at least one), have you seen every single movie on imdb's Top 100 list? I'll bet you haven't (I know I haven't). So, if you say "I love The Two Towers, and I'm sure 'Seven Samauri' is good and all, since nearly ever reviewer in history has praised it, but I personally have no interest in martial arts films, so I won't be buying the new special edition DVD version" - does that make you an ignorant LOTR fanboy? Absolutely not.

You point is null.

Re:makes no difference to me... (1)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288934)

my thoughts exactly

I grew up with an NES and an original GB. I love nintendo and people can claim they produce little kid games but in the end i find their puzzles and games way more entertaining than what the other consoles provide. They actually tend to make me think and therefore i test myself. I can't say the same for a lotof the 3rd party games but nintendo's own games are top notch. the systems were also amazing, i loved all the controllers more than the competitors controllers (minus the N64 controller, while it was nice it was a bit hard to hang onto for longer periods of time. however the GameCube controller rocks, so much so i bought an adapter for lik sang for the computer to use the GC controller on it.

I will buy the nintendo console no matter what. i may buy a PS3 but i refuse to buy an XBox because they threaten to remove nintendo from the playing field. They just have too much money to bully nintendo around with. Faster releases, they take the loss but produce the console with the best graphics, leaving nintendo who recoups costs over longer periods. which is fairly standard now in the industry.

Re:makes no difference to me... (1)

fwitness (195565) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288935)

Nintendo has always been dear to my heart since I abandonded my Master System to go mainstream with a NES. Nintendo makes fantastic games and knows how to grow a loved franchise (mario pimping aside.)

That said, buy a DS. I have one. And I have a PSP. The PSP was an impulse buy that I bought just cuz, the DS was a months-planned purchase. I haven't put the PSP down yet. I gave the DS to the girlfriend so she can have some puzzle games. The PSP is good, damn good. The DS's 'revolutionary' features have yet to even have a single proof that touching is indeed good. There are some unique ideas, but all the games out and coming are all short little look-at-me quirks. Nintendo is taking large risks, and I admire them for that, but we need to see some benefit here, and fast.

Re:makes no difference to me... (1)

Sage Gaspar (688563) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288965)

Big fan of the virtual boy?

Re:makes no difference to me... (1)

TiredGamer (564844) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288988)

I think you're wrong not to be skeptical, even if just a little bit. By snubbing E3, Nintendo is basically admitting it does not care about the U.S. videogame market. The company is displaying a lack of fortitude that MS and Sony are showing by proudly displaying their consoles, and the press will jump on the Big N for it. When Nintendo unveils their console at some Japanese tradeshow, the U.S. market and press will not care. Nintendo needs that "hearts and minds" grab in the United States or it will suffer an even worse defeat this generation.

Re:makes no difference to me... (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289044)

The company is displaying a lack of fortitude that MS and Sony are showing by proudly displaying their consoles, and the press will jump on the Big N for it.

Correction -- they're displaying an abundance of testicular fortitude by snubbing the US market for the time being.

Re:makes no difference to me... (1)

Rylz (868268) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288992)

I have had almost the same experience. The amount of entertainment I can get from playing and replaying a single Zelda or Metroid came cannot be beaten. However, I cannot live without Final Fantasy (and, if Kingdom Hearts 2 lives up to the first, I might not be able to live without that series either, though they can't do as much with it since it has to reuse the same Disney characters), so I will be getting the PS3 after a few price drops as well as the Revolution.

I love nintendo but... (3, Interesting)

Sprotch (832431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288852)

They have pulled the exact same trick for the N64 (remember the Ultra64?), Virtual Boy, Game Cube and DS. Meanwhile the consoles that left a significant mark on their generation were the NES and Super NES. What did they have that made a difference? Certainly not the fancy gadgets. Remember that NES robot that was promptly set aside?

What made them special is that they offered the best games and were the most powerful at the time. Mario and Zelda made the NES. They also made the Super NES, along with Street Fighter II and Mario Kart. We would almost cry at the inovation of the gameplay, quality of the graphics and music, and amazing fun they provided.

Today it's all about superficially good looking graphics. Gameplay and fun went the way of the dodo. Meanwhile Nintendo thinks it's okay to have consoles with non standard earphone plugs...

I miss those days spent with the old NES/GB/SNES...

Re:I love nintendo but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288899)

robbie the robot owns you!

Re:I love nintendo but... (1)

Sprotch (832431) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288904)

Oh, and how could I have ever forgotten to mention the original Game Boy, with its crappy yellow and black graphics, yet offering amazing games and a staggering 12 hours of battery life. It kicked the ass out of the technically superior Game Gear, Lynx and PC Engine GT.

Re:I love nintendo but... (1)

FhnuZoag (875558) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288932)

What Nintendo had was a huge market share in an industry that was new and free from old preconceptions. Those days are gone. Dead. Buried. Dug up and chopped up, tossed into flames, and then buried again. Deep under the sea. Hey, we can try to be optimistic. Gameplay these days aren't *that* bad. And one day, this graphics fetish will implode - you can only make games so much more realistic before no one can tell the difference anymore.

Slow news day eh? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288855)

A piece of technological equipment won't be shown at a technology show. This is news how?

meh (4, Insightful)

Omkar (618823) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288873)

I'll buy it, since I'm a huge Nintendo fan. The casual gamer won't be so accomodating. Nintendo needs to build some hype around the system if they want to actually change the video game industry. Right now, even some hardcore Nintendo fans are skeptical.

Nintendo - shooting ourselves in the foot since 1990...

what are they afraid of? (3, Interesting)

mincognito (839071) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288897)

It's really hard to imagine what these secret features might be. M$ and Sony are about upping the graphics ante, not about incorporating voice recognition, three screens, body sensors or whatever new ideas Nintendo comes up with. Maybe if these features turn out to be a success in the marketplace -- unlikely if the DS is any indicator -- the other console makers would think about incorporating them. I figure Nintendo's secretness is just a way of building hype around the product.

Tokyo Game Show? (5, Interesting)

-kertrats- (718219) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288903)

Might they be holding out to unveil it at the Tokyo Game Show, so that they can completely steal the headlines for the entire show instead of sharing space with the other systems at E3?

Usual Nintendo hype (2, Insightful)

NightWulf (672561) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288905)

They're probably simply afraid whatever they do have might be blown away by the PS3 and Xbox Next. I think Nintendo is running out of ideas as the other companies are getting developers who make platform games as well as Nintendo. Sony has it's Square and Rockstar. Microsoft has Rare and Bungie. Nintendo has well...Nintendo. Sure Nintendo has made some amazing games in the past, but they're starting to feel their age. Plus their incessent insistance that "mature" games be not included on their consoles, which are always delayed to the point that the hardware is behind what is currently out.

The N64, which was originally the Dolphin, then the Ultra 64 was delayed almost two years. The Gamecube was delayed as well. Now we're seeing the possibility of an Xbox release this year, a possible PS3 release in Japan end of this year/early next, and Nintendo hoping to get the console out by end of 2006. If it's not delayed again. Then they release the DS, and now the Gameboy Revolution planned. The DS was a quickly made half-assed portable to beat the PSP to market.

Don't get me wrong, I used to be a huge Nintendo fan. I always thought they were pioneers, but they're becoming that old dinosaur of the industry that's only still around because the brand name itself has some intrinsic value.

Re:Usual Nintendo hype (3, Insightful)

Manchot (847225) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289020)

I hate to tell you, but Nintendo has never insisted that mature games not be on their console. They just got that reputation over 10 years ago when they made the creators of Mortal Kombat remove the blood. For example, the Resident Evil series has been pretty much exclusive to Gamecube this generation (including the excellent Resident Evil 4).

Re:Usual Nintendo hype (1)

ibentmywookie (819547) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289023)

"Plus their incessent insistance that "mature" games be not included on their consoles, "

Erm, what's resident evil 4?

Rare? (5, Informative)

Ian Action (836876) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289030)

Microsoft has Rare and Bungie.

When's the last time Rare made a good game?

[pulls hair out in frustration] (3, Funny)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288920)

Great, now I'm bald.

Damn you, Nintendo. I have been a loyal servant of yours ever since I first played Super Mario Brothers 2 on the NES: I've fought for you time and again in the useless internet debates; I've spent my hard-earned college cash to pay for your no-internet system with lacking 3rd Party support; I even still lug around my N64 because it has games I enjoyed enough in the past that I might want to play them again in the future, but I'm not really sure if I ever will!

Doesn't that deserve something? If nothing else, show some footage. I don't need to see the actual system or controllers right now; but damned if I don't see any 'eye candy', and I'm not talking those sweet Ssian numbers you put on display... actually, that's more of a Sony thing.

In any case, I digress. While I can understand wanting to keep industry secrets secret, we're not asking you to reveal every spec of the system. If all you did was hint at what makes this console a 'revolution', and showed a picture of one of the buttons on the controller, that would be enough for many a fanboy.

So, Nintendo, I ask you this: Please, please, won't you show something? Have we not earned at least that?

Re:[pulls hair out in frustration] (1)

jr87 (653146) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289051)

uhhh..dude they are showing footage just not what the console looks like

Solid marketing Decision (5, Insightful)

briankoenig (853681) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288941)

I don't understand why everybody thinks that this shows that Nintendo is "behind" or "not prepared" to show Revolution to the public. I think the decision makes perfect sense from a marketing standpoint.

Nintendo can unveil it at E3, and go up against Microsoft and Sony's HUGE marketing budget and hype. Magazines would probably have a triple feature, with sections given to each system and the respective company booths.

Or, Nintendo can wait a couple of months until the media coverage dies down a little bit, unveil the console, and get the cover of every non-platform-specific major game magazine in the biz. This decision shows not a lack of preparation or a schedule issue, but a smart martketing choice.

Three strikes and you're out... (1)

gflores (728935) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288953)

I'm not sure gamers want something revolutionary. Just look at PS2 and Xbox. They've outsold Gamecube by a large margin in the US. They are considered cooler simply because of their titles (resulting from excellent third-party support). Xbox isn't revolutionary. However, that's not to say that it has not done anything in the industry. With their Xbox Live, killer titles such as Halo 2, and better graphics, it is easily surpassing the Gamecube. This will be their third attempt, after N64 and Gamecube where weren't as successful as anticipated. I strongly feel that if they fail to succeed overwhelmingly with the "Revolution", they will ultimately strike out in the console race.

Damnnit, (2, Funny)

binaryspiral (784263) | more than 9 years ago | (#12288966)

And I just bought my Gamecube in January... guess you bastards are going to force me to upgrade my PackardBell to play doom 3, too?

GEeez... you buy something new and it gets outdated in just a few years.

They're waiting for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12288999)

Duke Nukem Forever to be bundled with the machine.

Not a big deal.... (2, Insightful)

MagicDude (727944) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289004)

So what if Nintendo doesn't show their new system at E3? It's not like the system isn't going to be demonstrated months before it's release anyway. Sure internet nerds like us will be disapointed, but I'd wager that a good majority of video gamers don't really care about who does what at E3, but rather will have their interest piqued by what's advertised in the mainstream media. This could even work to Nintendo's advantage. People get saturated by all the stuff that's released at E3, thus diminishing the impact of the information released. By letting the other guys beat at each other for a while, Nintendo can see where the bar is being set and can have their own press release a month later. This gives the gamers a chance to cool down and get hungry for more information after E3, and Nintendo does have a knack for making interesting and engaging presentations.

Not so much as stealing as old (3, Informative)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289011)

When is the new Nintendo system coming out? Before the next E3? If not, then I'd say they don't want to become old-hat before it does come out. They'll let Microsoft and Sony demonstrate all of their new features that will be seen as "older" when E3 comes around next year when Nintendo announces their new features.

Nintendo can also concentrate on their Online component (which would be ignored even more if the new system was unveiled).

The "stealing our ideas" is just PR bullshit.

Having said that, if the systems are to be released before the next E3, I can see this as being a BIG mistake.

Nintendont (0, Flamebait)

SteveXE (641833) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289012)

Nintendo's problem these days is they seem stuck in this mindset that they can tell gamers what we want and need, and what we dont want and need. According to Nintendo we dont need more powerfull hardware, which means we dont need better graphics, sound, AI or physics, which in turn means we dont want or need bigger better games. Sorry Nintendo but you dont seem to have any clue what I want or need for my gaming needs, you lost my interest back when SNES was retired and Mario 64 was played to death.

True some of their games are fun, but all there major brands are into their 30th sequal, lets think of something new huh?

Wow! (2, Insightful)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 9 years ago | (#12289033)

There sure are a lot of Nintendo fans here on /.

My personal opinion is that Nintendo lost a ton of respect in the gaming market with the Gamecube. The gamecube is still a lot of fun, but to me it feels more like a little kids toy as opposed to PS2 or Xbox. Given the choice to buy one single console, I would certainly choose a PS2 or Xbox over a gamecube any day. The gamecube just doesn't cut it for my needs. Let's hope this "revolution" truly is a revolution for Nintendo.

Nintendo got it right with the GBA though. Based on current prices I'd still take that over a DS or PSP.

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