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Slashback: Cameos, Sculpture, Brimstone

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the shadowing-amanda dept.

Slashback 62

Slashback this evening provides updates on recent Slashdot stories about BBC podcasting, the impact of GPL'd fonts on documents and programs which make use of them, Moore's Law, the much-anticipated "Hitchhiker's" movie, and more -- read on below for the details.

What if my ship is under the GPL, and it crosses the International Dateline? innocent_white_lamb writes "A participant on the Scribus mailing list has posted a reply that he received from the FSF regarding the recent GPL font-licensing discussion, i.e. when does your document become subject to the GPL if you use GPL licensed fonts."

In short, it's less of a worry than some people made it out to be in the earlier Slashdot discussion, but it's not a merely imaginary issue.

They should offer MP3 players shaped like tiny fish. ProsperoDGC writes "The BBC is offering more shows as podcasts. While only non-music programs will be available (due to potential copyright problems with music-based shows), the variety of content is representative of BBC radio's output, including news, interviews, documentaries, and sport."

Every year, the artist has to double the bottom-most layer. Qbertino writes "The online version of the German news-magazine Der Spiegel has a short photo-bulletin on a sculpture in the Heinz-Nixdorf-Museumsforum of Paderborn. The sculpture represents Moores Law, formulated 40 years ago by Intel co-founder Gorden Moore. It states that the amount of transistors on a chip doubles every 24 months while at the same time the size of the chip halves. The law still applies to this very day. Bulletin and thumbnail here (text in German) and a larger picture here. An impressive visualization."

Look very carefully for that fellow from 'The Office.' jangobongo writes "In an interview with SciFi Wire, Garth Jennings, director of 'Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy', reveals some hidden in-jokes and homages in the movie. Among them: Simon Jones, who played Arthur Dent in the original TV series, can be seen and heard briefly as a Magrathean announcer - in 3D (get out your red & green 3D glasses!); the original Marvin robot can be seen in a queue of volunteers lining up to save Trillian; and in several places, head shots of Douglas Adams can be seen. Look for one, as the characters are flying through the planet factory, where Douglas' whole head is a giant planet. "It's quite lovely," says Jennings."

Popping trial balloons as they slink up the flagpole. bonch writes "Sony is now backpedaling on a recent CEO's slip of the tongue about a recently reported iTunes-like movie-download service. Steve Banfield, vice president of Sony Connect, says Sony is digitizing its movies and will allow some video clips to be used royalty-free for video 'mash' projects, but that Sony is not planning to to create an 'iTunes for Hollywood.'"

Dino alive, kicking, and annoying. Last May, we posted a story about the dino-shaped cam surviving under harsh conditions on New Zealand's volcanic White Island.

fraygos writes "Counting on the sulphur and high acid environment to deal to the creature has yielded little as Dino refuses to die. It's been almost a year and our darling dinosaur shows little erosion."

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Why is this in hardware? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12308755)

Shouldn't it just be in regular old Slashdot? I suppose I should be grateful it's not in IT.

GPL Fonts Reply. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12308760)

[Scribus] Response from the FSF about GPL fonts
Louis Desjardins louis_desjardins at mardigrafe.com
Wed Apr 20 18:58:31 CEST 2005

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Hi,

I have contacted the Free Software Foundation, responsible for the GPL,
and asked them to clarify their position. Please find here my post with
the answers in between.

I post this with the consent of the author. Again, I understand this is
not an issue exclusively related to Scribus but I think the thread has
nonetheless drawn enough attention and interest so I would at least put
this reply on the list for all to read.

Louis

On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 13:28 -0400, Louis Desjardins via RT wrote:

>> A recent discussion about font management on the Scribus list
brought up
>> the following thread from one of the participant:
>>
>> "[...] it is note worthy to point out that using gpl licensed fonts
>> in a document makes the document a derived work of the font and
>> therefore, subject to the gpl."
>>
>> This assertion immediately raised questions. One of which being what
was
>> the source of that information. It became clear this issue is to be
>> considered as serious, as it is established on your website.
>>
>> The main concern is how a font can contamitate a publication, or to
what
>> extent exactly? In other words, what does that mean, exactly, for
>> someone using GPL fonts to create a document with a DTP app such as
>> Scribus? Are there different issues when the work is intended to be
>> printed and distributed in its paper form or when the same work will be
>> sent out or made available as a PDF, and whether this PDF has some
>> interactive functionnality or not (such as a form to be filled, or
>> external web links, internal links and the like), and whether the fonts
>> are embedded or not?

The situation we were considering is one where a font "program" is
embedded in a document (rather than merely referenced). This would
allow a document to be viewed as the author intended it even on machines
that didn't have the font.

So, the document file (a work) would be derived from the font file
(another work). The text of the document, of course, would be
unrestricted when distributed without the font.

We were unhappy with even this amount of influence for fonts, because
(a) it's rarely what font authors intend and (b) it's possible that some
applications do embedding behind the user's back. The situation seemed
to me to be similar to the case of the runtime libraries which GCC
automatically includes in its output (and which are licensed to permit
inclusion in proprietary software). So, I wrote the font exception you
see on our web site. It's experimental; we're sure it's not perfect,
and we welcome comments.

In the US, as I understand it, font faces -- that is, the look of a
font, are not copyrightable. But font "programs" (truetype fonts, for
example) are. I don't know how font copyright works in other countries.
So, printed documents should not be affected in the US.

>> As a user, do we have to worry about using fonts release under the GPL?
>> Can this cause a client's work (provided we use Scribus to layout his
>> job with GPL fonts and possibly along with commercial fonts, all this
>> work being done as a living and thus we get paid to do it) to be
obliged
>> to be released under the GPL? If so, why then use GPL fonts?

We wrote the exception you see on our web site explicitly to handle this
case. Note that you need to always check the license on your fonts in
any case; proprietary fonts often have onerous licensing requirements.

>> The existence on your web site of an add-on to the GPL specifically
>> aimed at font usage makes me think it is considered by the FSF as a
real
>> issue that have to solved. Something unthought of when the licence was
>> first written.

I don't know if Richard thought about it back in 1989 and 1991. I
rather doubt it. We're thinking about it now, and we welcome
suggestions. The GPL was intended for general software; fonts don't
really fit into this category. They're used fundamentally differently
than most software. But people have used the GPL for fonts, and we
wanted to offer these people a way out of a situation which they
probably didn't intend.

>> And Freedom has not much to
>> do with the fear of being sued for violating someone's rights. I mean,
>> isn't this all made to facilitate sharing and not the opposite? Whether
>> these fonts will be used in non-commercial or commercial elements is
>> something that will be, in my opinion, very difficult to actually
control.

I've never heard of anyone being sued for embedding a GPL-licensed font.
In fact, the total number of lawsuits over violations of the GPL is
tiny. Usually, these things are resolved by negotiation.

As long as we're using a licensing approach to keeping Free Software
free, there will be the possibility of going to court. But it's a
remote possibility, because it's easier and better to just talk to
people. Some people may be surprised to hear this from an American
organization, but we're happy with our approach, and we recommend it to
nearly everyone.

>> Another consideration is if we consider that one can call
>> "redistribution" of a font (any font) the fact that it is embedded in a
>> PDF file (and this PDF file is accessible on the Internet). I also
>> wonder what kind of tools are needed to actually extract the font (if
>> this is feasible) and reuse it in its original form? Who can do that,
>> other than programming professionnals?

Well, once a programmer creates an extractor, anyone can use it.
Extraction is, in my view, the major issue that a license must confront.
Because I haven't been able to come up with a license which correctly
handles embedding and extraction in all cases, we've restricted this to
unaltered fonts. This means that someone can't use embedding as a way
to distribute a modified version of a font under restrictive terms. If
you have suggestions for how to write a license which better handles
extraction, please let us know. As I've said, we haven't given this as
much thought as we've given some of the other issues involved in free
licensing.

>> If this all proves to be as posted on the Scribus list and as cited on
>> top of my message, then is it possible to make a clear statement about
>> this issue so people will actually use the text you provide and include
>> it in their licence so users can make a legal use of these fonts,
closer
>> to what is known and understood as legal use by a vast majority of
>> people and professionnals? Or maybe you can include this text in
further
>> version of the GPL? In anyway, I think this needs to be clarified. To
>> the benefit of Open Source in general.

Please feel free to forward this to the Scribus list. I'm not
subscribed to the list, and I unfortunately don't have time to read a
long thread about this. So, if the Scribus list has further questions,
it would be helpful if they could be discussed on the list, then sent
here as a batch.

-- -Dave Turner GPL Compliance Engineer Support my work:
http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=novalis&p=F SF

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Font faces not copyrightable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12309053)

I seriously doubt that.

Re:Font faces not copyrightable? (3, Informative)

justforaday (560408) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309265)

Actually, it's true. This is why Microsoft can ship a copy of Arial (a Helvetica ripoff made by Monotype) without paying any royalties to the company that owns the real typeface (Linotype). There's a decent writeup of the Arial/Helvetica issue here [ms-studio.com] .

Re:Font faces not copyrightable? (2, Interesting)

prizog (42097) | more than 9 years ago | (#12310054)

Actually, you raise a good point. I've just been researching this issue for my final writeup (based on the letter I sent to Scribus), and it's a little more complex than I first thought. Basically, there's (effectively) a circuit split, although the opinion (effectively) supporting font face copyright (a) claims not to and (b) is unpublished. Also, the copyright office reportedly disagrees with itself, but (of course) none of the rules are online from the office itself; they're buried in federal archives which are only available on dead trees.

I'm not in a position to offer a final analysis yet, but that's what I've learned so far.

Anyway, that only applies to the US; plus there are design patents to contend with.

Re:Font faces not copyrightable? (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 9 years ago | (#12312871)

Font faces have been effectively non-copyrightable for the history of fonts (at least in America), to the constant displeasure of foundreys.

Here's one discossion. [about.com]

Re:GPL Fonts Reply. (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309259)

I'm using a GPLed font (Antykwa Poltawskiego [angband.pl] ) thoroughly in a proprietary program I'm doing at work. I assumed this is ok, as the font is not linked in in any way -- the lack of it in the operating system's fonts directory will just make the program's appearance different.

The program in question is developed for a single customer, and doesn't even come with an installer at all -- so, I don't have any issues at the moment. I install everything by hand, so the font isn't even explicitely distributed.

However, it's an interesting question how closely will I be allowed to bundle this font when (or if) our company will sell the program to other customers than the one whom it was developed for.
Obviously, putting both the font and the program on a single CD is ok. Otherwise, no commercial Linux distributions would be able to exist. But, can I have it as a part of a self-contained installer?

Re:GPL Fonts Reply. (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 9 years ago | (#12313129)

What's a slashback? Is it good or is it whack?

Re:GPL Fonts Reply. (1)

Royster (16042) | more than 9 years ago | (#12315783)

In my, not so legal, opinion, embedding a font is a typical *use* of that font. Since the GPL, by its terms, does not cover use, embedding a font is not an act of distribution as contemplated by the GPL. Additional evidence supporting this view is that the font designer has ticked the "may embed" bit in the font descriptor explicitly allowing embedding and the fact that fonts can not, in ordinary operation, be extracted from documents in which they have been enbedded. Additional assistance may be obtained from the "mere aggregation" clause. Unfortunately, the FSF has not seen fit to take the common sense approach to this question.

The "font exception" is unnecessary.

dfssdf (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12308777)

second post heheeheheheh

slow down cowboy!

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Hilarious, Timothy! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12308779)

In short, it's less of a worry than some people made it out to be in the earlier Slashdot discussion

Don't you mean:

In short, it's less of a worry than the Slashdot writeup, that I personally approved, made it out to be.

Re:Hilarious, Timothy! (2, Funny)

Electroly (708000) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309235)

-1, Incorrectly Assumes Slashdot Has Any Journalistic Integrity.

Obviously! (4, Funny)

stinerman (812158) | more than 9 years ago | (#12308780)

Sony is now backpedaling on a recent CEO's slip of the tongue about a recently reported iTunes-like movie-download service.

Really ... why would Sony want to be the first big player in a market that has massive demand?

Obviously!-MASSIVE!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12308804)

"Really ... why would Sony want to be the first big player in a market that has massive demand?"

You still need MASSIVE broadband to make it a viable business world. Something I don't think the third-world has.

Re:Obviously!-MASSIVE!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12308820)

What does the third world have to do with anything? I doubt they have money to buy the player, either.

Re:Obviously!-MASSIVE!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12308896)

They're so poor they shape little pieces of their feces to look like rice and eat it, so I doubt they're lining up to buy a PSP.

dino (4, Funny)

rd4tech (711615) | more than 9 years ago | (#12308787)

Counting on the sulphur and high acid environment to deal to the creature has yielded little as Dino refuses to die

It would probably take a meteor.

This bodes ill (4, Insightful)

Stephen Samuel (106962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309134)

Just imagine how long that pink piece of plastic would last in a friggin landfill.

Re:This bodes ill (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12310299)

Just imagine how long that pink piece of plastic would last in a friggin landfill.

No - this is a good thing!
After the conservative religious movement in America and elsewhere helps plunge the world into another Dark Ages, in another thousand years or so, the new human societies will be able to get a very accurate representation of our disposable, plastic-ridden society!

They certainly won't get that information from any present day records. Those will all be non-recoverable since our beloved corporate masters have ensured everything is going to be DRM-loaded, encrypted, and impossible to release into the public domain.

Re:This bodes ill (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 9 years ago | (#12312899)

After soiety collapses we'll be mining the dumps, as all of the natural resources available to early industrial tools are long gone. The longer stuff lasts in landfills, the better for our post-apocalyptic offspring. ;)

What If... (1, Insightful)

Xeroc (877174) | more than 9 years ago | (#12308814)

What if Microsoft uses a GPL'd font? Is Microsoft now under the GPL? What if a document of international law uses a GPL'd font, then is all of the world under the GPL? Personally, I think either would be hilarious. :)

Also, thanks, I'll definitely be looking for those in-jokes when I go to see the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy!

Re:What If... (3, Insightful)

barawn (25691) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309105)

What if Microsoft uses a GPL'd font? Is Microsoft now under the GPL?

No.

What if a document of international law uses a GPL'd font, then is all of the world under the GPL?

No.

You can't "accidentally" put yourself under the GPL. It's not like "whoops, I accidentally released this under a license I didn't intend to!" If some international organization releases a document using a GPL font, and they retain copyright ("this document cannot be reproduced, etc., blah blah blah") the document isn't under the GPL. It's under the license they put it under.

Now, assume that the document is, in fact, a program (like, PostScript) and contains "font programs" (like, TrueType, or whatever). Then the document may be a derivative work. But guess what? It still doesn't fall under the GPL. It is just no longer distributable at all (under the license that they want, or no license whatsoever).

I know you were probably being facetious, but poor wording from the FSF and from a lot of GPL advocates has really confused the issue. The question isn't whether or not the document is under the GPL or not. That's the author's decision. It's always the author's decision. The question is whether or not it's releasable under a non-GPL license.

Re:What If... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12309176)

You can't "accidentally" put yourself under the GPL. It's not like "whoops, I accidentally released this under a license I didn't intend to!"

Try telling that to SCO : p

Re:What If... (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 9 years ago | (#12312026)

You can't "accidentally" put yourself under the GPL.

In just about the same way you can't "accidentally" break an EULA.

Re:What If... (1)

xgamer04 (248962) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309296)

then is all of the world under the GPL?

Man, that would be tough. Would we still have to distribute copies of the GPL with all products sold? And if I use a GPL toilet, do I need to save "samples" for people who want to make derivative works?

Poor Dino... (4, Funny)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 9 years ago | (#12308831)

...destined to wander about the fiery chasm in eternal search of his beloved masters Fred and Wilma.

If only he hadn't eaten them for dinner all those years ago...

Re:Poor Dino... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12309057)

'Poor Dino'?

Oh no, good sir, not poor Dino, poor Fred.
Dino is doing fine, but he's there because it was too cramped in that little dwelling:
Fred never did win that fight;
No sir, that cat didn't stay out for the night.

NZ: Geological AND Nuclear Sciences?!?! (1)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12308842)

The annotation on the webcam picture [geonet.org.nz] intrigued me. What are those Kiwi's up to down under? Are they getting into tectonic engineering? Is that pink dinosaur a radiation-mutated tuatara [kcc.org.nz] ? I can only hope that have no WMDs.

Re:NZ: Geological AND Nuclear Sciences?!?! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12308876)

My first thought was "How can a country that declared itself a nuclear-free zone have a Department of Nuclear Sciences???"

Re:NZ: Geological AND Nuclear Sciences?!?! (3, Informative)

Koushiro (612241) | more than 9 years ago | (#12308955)

Well, I'm no geologist, but I'd be willing to bet that the "Nuclear Sciences" part refers less to nuclear power or weaponry (as you point out, New Zealand is 'nuclear-free') and more to studying radioactive isotopes of elements [gns.cri.nz] for carbon dating and the like.

Re:NZ: Geological AND Nuclear Sciences?!?! (2, Insightful)

IWannaBeAnAC (653701) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309552)

That is like saying "How can a country that declared itself bioweapons-free have a Department of Biology???"

Re:NZ: Geological AND Nuclear Sciences?!?! (1)

Paua Fritter (448250) | more than 9 years ago | (#12312627)

My first thought was "How can a country that declared itself a nuclear-free zone have a Department of Nuclear Sciences???"

Well ... our atoms still have nuclei, you know ...

Maybe now they will see it... (1)

big.iron.wiz (773525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12308989)

...or rather ear it.

I am from Portugal and defending that the media market is rather changing then loosing clients has been a dificult task near the national radios and music industrie in general.

The long hours to go to work and back are more and more a problem to everyone, leaving radio as the medicine,

But radio is so much like a can of spam all the time that users choose zapping through stations rather then listening to one station only,

Our national radio stations, wich look up to BBC, maybe now will follow and more podcast will apear, but in portuguese. :)

Radio stations that give the users what they want will gain market share and might get a slice of further revenues.

I've got to say (2, Insightful)

bhsx (458600) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309022)

As someone who bought HHGTTG and eventually put it down without finishing, I've become enthralled with the radio broadcasts. I've recently downloaded them and have been listenning to two episodes per day.
Brilliant! I guess when I was in high school I just didn't get it.
I am looking forward to the movie, expecting to be less than impressed; but we'll see.

Re:I've got to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12309112)

Where'd you download them from?

Come on! Don't leave us hanging!
(I've been looking halfheartedly for them, and haven't been able to source them from anywhere... And being in NZ I'm not paying huge shipping costs to get the CD from the UK, halfway across the world!)

Re:I've got to say (2, Informative)

bhsx (458600) | more than 9 years ago | (#12310081)

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-browse?sh=1&butto n=Browse&dir=%2Fpub%2F.arch-download%2Fhhgttg&sort =type Though downloading from that site may break copyright applicable laws in your country... PCYL(Please Consult Your Lawyer)

Re:I've got to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12310352)

Many thanks!

I'll give them a listen - if I enjoy them, it'll probably push me into buying the digitally remastered Collector's set :)

Re:I've got to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12313167)

Slashdotted now. :\

Re:I've got to say (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309353)

I've recently downloaded them and have been listenning to two episodes per day.

OK, I give up. From where? Nothing on the HHGTTG Audio show homepage [bbc.co.uk] except for a "buy episodes online" link. Isohunt returned a fat goose-egg for torrents...

Re:I've got to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12309460)

The BBC hosted them. Gone now.

for all you podcasters (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12309045)

If you want to podcast outside tomorrow here is your weather forecast courtesy of noaa:

FORECAST FORECAST
FRI....APR 22 SAT....APR 23
CITY WEA LO/HI WEA LO/HI
ALBANY NY PTCLDY 30/62 RAIN 44/58
ANCHORAGE RAIN 41/47 RAIN 39/45
ATLANTA TSTRMS 60/77 PTCLDY 56/60
BILLINGS PTCLDY 33/57 PTCLDY 35/67
BOISE PTCLDY 44/71 PTCLDY 48/76
BOSTON SUNNY 39/63 RAIN 44/61
CHICAGO SHWRS 41/47 MOCLDY 33/44
COLUMBUS OH TSTRMS 47/67 SHWRS 44/45
DALLAS FT WORTH PTCLDY 63/81 SUNNY 50/70
DENVER PTCLDY 31/55 PTCLDY 34/65
DETROIT RAIN 38/55 RNSNOW 36/40
HONOLULU PTCLDY 72/85 SUNNY 71/84
KANSAS CITY MOCLDY 51/59 SUNNY 37/59
LAS VEGAS SUNNY 55/83 PTCLDY 62/77
LOS ANGELES PTCLDY 55/73 SHWRS 55/66
LOUISVILLE TSTRMS 59/74 MOCLDY 44/51
MEMPHIS PTCLDY 65/80 PTCLDY 49/60
MIAMI BEACH PTCLDY 66/82 PTCLDY 68/85
MPLS ST PAUL PTCLDY 42/52 PTCLDY 30/49
NEW ORLEANS PTCLDY 66/83 PTCLDY 62/76
OKLAHOMA CITY PTCLDY 52/73 SUNNY 45/66
PHOENIX PTCLDY 60/89 PTCLDY 65/88
RALEIGH DURHAM PTCLDY 54/75 TSTRMS 58/69
RAPID CITY PTCLDY 32/54 PTCLDY 29/63
SAN ANTONIO MOCLDY 67/86 PTCLDY 60/78
SAN FRANCISCO PTCLDY 49/67 MOCLDY 52/64
SEATTLE PTCLDY 49/71 PTCLDY 51/65
TAMPA ST PTRSBG PTCLDY 61/81 PTCLDY 65/79
WASHINGTON DC MOCLDY 47/61 TSTRMS 52/65

the real problem with the HHG movie (2, Interesting)

illuminatedwax (537131) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309399)

"The original Marvin robot that was used in the TV series, we managed to track down at the BBC studios. It was all in pieces, like this dismembered body. It was really grim. And they got him out and polished him up and made all his lights work and everything, and it was great. We put him on set in the queuing group,..."
"He had cyberscanned his head for a computer game," Jennings said. "We had access to his data, so when we built the Temple of Deep Thought, which is this giant nose and nostrils, etc., it's actually Douglas' nose, perfectly rebuilt 30 feet [high]. Not that anyone is going to go, 'Hey, that's Douglas' nose,' but it just felt like quite a fun thing to do."
"At the end, the final improbability effect is Douglas' face."

Translation: They were more focused on making cute in-jokes and references to Douglas Adams than making good decisions about the movie. "Improbability effect? Perfect! Go with it!"

It's not terribly surprising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12313045)

... because, DA put himself all over the TV series when he was still alive:
  • In episode 1, he was the last patron at the end of the bar at the Horse & Groom, visible when Ford and Arthur walk away with the six pints.
  • DA's face was used in the guide as the author of the galaxy's worst poetry near the end of episode 1.
  • DA's face was also used in the guide (and, technically, the Encyclopedia Galactica, too) as part of the Sirius Cybernetics Marketing department near the end of episode 3(?).
  • DA was the guy unhappily drawing out money from the bank and eventually drowning in the sea during the "movement of small green bills" speech during a later episode.


And those're just the ones I can recall off the top of my head. =)

It's just nice to hear that Simon Jones'll be in the movie in some small degree. Wonder if David Dixon'll be there, too. (Note: didn't RTFA 'cause I want bits of the movie (and my eventual disappointment) to be a surprise. =)

Re:It's not terribly surprising... (1)

illuminatedwax (537131) | more than 9 years ago | (#12314773)

Yeah, but it seems to be a fundamental flaw of the people that made the movie (judging ONLY on critic's reviews) that they Missed the Point on almost all accounts. "DA put himself in a lot of places? Put crazy references in as much as you can!" might be a fun idea, but cheering yourself for doing all these neat ideas does the audience no good if there's not a good film to back it up. It seems they are more proud of themselves for putting the old Marvin prop in the background than what they did with the Improbability Drive (which was not funny and Missed the Point as well).

HHG - look closer (3, Funny)

option8 (16509) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309417)

[SPOILER]
if you look closer - pay attention in the second reel - you can see Douglas Adams actually spinning in his grave.
[/SPOILER]

Harness the power of a spinning Doug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12310536)

It's rumored that they're planning to attach a generator to his corpse in order to power a big neon "Don't Panic" sign above the gravestone.

HHG movie - something for everyone (3, Interesting)

option8 (16509) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309475)

what the BBC is saying here:

for non-fans, it's a fun romp with some gags and plenty of fun effect to look at. ooh! a cute, crazy little robot! buy the plushie!

for those that are already fans of the books (and whatnot) you're going to hate it with a passion! but come back twice - there's more in jokes that you missed the first time because you were crying in your popcorn over the sheer bloody stupidity of it all. and look! there's douglas adams' nose! again!

(from TFA: "There are tons of things crammed in there. Basically if we needed a prop or a name for something we just used the original material as a reference.")

it seems to me that, in reality, when they needed a prop or something to fill in the space, they used bits of the author's corpse, and the money-grubbing whores that are his surviving family [planetmagrathea.com] .

disks shaped like fish (1)

crywolf (445243) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309484)

It may not be an mp3 player, but it is a storage device which is shaped like a fish:
http://www.dynamism.com/sushidisk/index.sht ml

Re:disks shaped like fish (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309504)

"It may not be an mp3 player, but it is a storage device which is shaped like a fish:"

Err.. Um. Why do I have a feeling that the target audience of these things is people that like to cause bitter-beer-faces at the office?

BBC (2, Interesting)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309946)

I really wish they WOULD find some way to release the music. As an avid listener of the Essential Selection and the Essential Mix, I am forced to download the shows I want through various P2P services. Thankfully, Freshly-Mixed has all of the Essential Mixes I need, but I need to rip the Essential Selection streams and convert them myself, which is a major time sink and a PITA.

There's huge demand for that, and I think the labels are nuts. They could even charge for those downloaded shows and the labels could split the proceeds.

BBC-Canadian model. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12310281)

"There's huge demand for that, and I think the labels are nuts. They could even charge for those downloaded shows and the labels could split the proceeds."

Ah! The Canadian model. Funny. I can't find anyone who like that either.

Re:BBC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12311222)

Unfortunately the Essential Selection / Mix are provided by a company external to the BBC who own the copyright. Therefore the BBC can't release them without their permission.

Moore's Law (1)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 9 years ago | (#12309956)

Well, this observation is dead. The computing power and processor's bandwidth can continue to increase for a while, especially when the quantum computer does more than 3*5, but the chip cannot get a lot smaller. There is such a thing as Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle [aip.org] and unlike Star Trek, there is no Heisenberg Compensators [memory-alpha.org] for it!

Re:Moore's Law (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12310370)

There is such a thing as Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and unlike Star Trek, there is no Heisenberg Compensators for it!


Actually, the latest research has shown that we know that Heisenberg Compensators exist, we just can't tell where they are...

Re:Moore's Law (2, Interesting)

modemboy (233342) | more than 9 years ago | (#12310388)

Well, both you and the submitter are way off base as to the definition of Moore's law. Try a quick google and read intel's page or maybe even Moore's original paper.
He observed that the number of transistors or "components" per i.c. would double every 2 years. That's it. So technically it could keep going forever. But you'll end up with a big i.c. eventually. He said nothing of the size afaik.

Source:
http://www.intel.com/research/silicon/m ooreslaw.ht m

Re:Moore's Law (2, Insightful)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 9 years ago | (#12311159)

Moore's law will probably not survive this decade, yet alone "forever"!

You can't grow # of components per IC indefinately due to power consuption costs and production costs. At current rate, the number of components will need to grow past a billion soon, and then it has to go though a trillion in next two decades! And then a 10E15 components in 40 years!! This is unrealistic.

Sorry, this will not happen. There will be no trillion component IC, yet alone 10E15. And how big would the processor need to be in a 1000 years to accomodate all of the components? The size of the solar system?

Re:Moore's Law (1)

eljay100 (258469) | more than 9 years ago | (#12312335)

"Every year, the artist has to double the bottom-most layer."

Shouldn't it be every other year?

Excelent timing (1)

The Tyrant (472050) | more than 9 years ago | (#12311799)

From the looks of the latest images [geonet.org.nz] it looks like that volcano is just about to go off :)

What a shame the picture only updates once an hour.

Hitchhikers & fans (5, Funny)

pm_agapow (878103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12311884)

Upset about the Lord of the Rings? Angry about Hitchhikers? Sassy about about Sahara or exercised by X-men? To save time in future, please fill out this form first:

GFC/97X - GENERIC FAN COMPLAINT

I've just come back from seeing the long-awaited adaptation of the classic _____. It was terrible! It was full of glaring errors and unnecessary changes like
o _____ has the wrong [accent / hair colour / facial expression]
o _____ says _____, but in the original he actually says _____
o I always imagined the city of ____ would look like _____ and not _____
o the relationship between _____ and _____ just wasn't right
o leaving out all the [poems / songs / bestiality]

I'm also mad that they omitted the vital character of
o _____'s [brother / sister / father / mentor / sidekick/ turtle]
o the [barkeep / general / wizard] at the [inn / base / mystic Elven village of Elrohéremélossëhelin na Telperiën]
o second trooper to the left

and the entire backstory concerning
o _____'s rivalry with _____
o ____'s fear of [spiders / snakes/ heights/ death]
o the childhood of ______
o the entire lineage of ______, including births, deaths, marriages, divorces, illegitimacies, pets, and house renovations

This is a betrayal of _____'s vision. Why, the author must
o be spinning in their grave
o laughing all the way to the bank

Did the producers even bother to
o read the book?
o read the manga?
o watch the original?
o consult the fans?
o kill a goat and read its entrails?

I remember when I first encountered _____ at school. I
o laughed non-stop for days
o collapsed and wept
o immediately bought the rest of the series
o went through puberty

And it looked so cheap too! You could totally tell it was filmed in
o New Zealand
o Sydney
o Vancouver
o Toronto
o an Eastern European country with low wages and minimal labour laws

_____ was completely wrong as the character of _____. They should have cast
o Orlando Bloom
o Arnold Schwarzenegger
o Samuel L Jackson
o Jessica Alba
o Keanu Reeves
o Brad Pitt
o Kofi Annan

Sure it might be alright if you're
o not a fan
o didn't read the special small press issue with a limited run of 12 that came out in the early 80s and is OMGWTFBBQ totally brilliant
o an oxygen-breather
o have a life

but Hollywood totally failed to do justice to it! Why didn't they
o make a 17 hour version, so they could fit everything in
o make a trilogy, so they could fit everything in
o make a television series, so they could fit everything in
o film absolutely all of it and release it on the DVD as extras, so they could fit everything in

I'm sure thousands if not millions of fans would pay for that! In fact, we should
o write a petition
o start a campaign to raise money

I'm so angry that I'm going to
o post my opnion on a dozen forums, complaining bitterly to anyone who will listen
o see the film another 10 times, complaining bitterly to anyone who will listen
o queue up for the sequel, complaining bitterly to anyone who will listen
o buy the DVDs when they come out, first release and special edition, complaining bitterly to anyone who will listen
o announce loudly that I'm going to transfer my allegiance to a fandom that deserves me, like
o Battlestar Galactica
o The A-Team
o Bubblestar Robot Whore Battalion Miyozuki

Re:Hitchhikers & fans (2, Funny)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 9 years ago | (#12312407)

AMEN!

Re:Hitchhikers & fans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12314263)

>Announce loudly that I'm going to transfer my allegiance to a fandom that deserves me, like
> o Battlestar Galactica
> o The A-Team
> o Bubblestar Robot Whore Battalion Miyozuki
>

Surprisingly, those are all fandoms with the common link of Dirk Benedict!

Sony can't do iTMS for Hollywood (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 9 years ago | (#12318908)

Sony is a Movie Studio. They compete with other studios. The other studios won't license their films to Sony. It's like when Pepsi bought Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC - the fast food competition ran to Coke.

Sony can't do a Music Store for the same reason.

It's nice when mega-mergers come back to bite you in the ass once in a while.

Apple does well because they're neutral and Steve Jobs is in the entertainment industry so he can talk the talk.
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