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Collectors Snap Up Early MP3 Players

CowboyNeal posted about 9 years ago | from the everything-old-made-new-again dept.

Music 183

An anonymous reader writes "It looks like vintage MP3 portables are the hot new collectible for old radio connoisseurs. On the cover of this month's edition of Antique Radio Magazine is Sony's first DAP, the Vaio Music Clip. The cover article is the second part of a series showcasing the first players by Sony, RCA, I2Go, and Intel (remember the Pocket Concert?). Part one, which was published in the December 2004 edition, covers the first flash unit the Eiger Labs MPMan F10 (the Rio PMP300 was second), and the first hard drive player the Personal Jukebox PJB-100. CNET also wrote about these first players last January, offering more details on the MPMan and the PJB-100"

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Collectors or memoribilia? hahahahhahahahhahahaa (5, Insightful)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | about 9 years ago | (#12323122)

These nostalgia cycles are getting shorter and shorter. How much nostalgia can you really have for an outdated piece of hardware that appeared and disappeared 2 years ago?

How much is too much? (2, Interesting)

AtariAmarok (451306) | about 9 years ago | (#12323150)

"How much nostalgia can you really have for an outdated piece of hardware that appeared and disappeared 2 years ago?"

We'll see when we get the first article about collectors of the antique first iPod appear by the end of the year.

"Yeah, sonny, when I was young, the iPod only held 5,000 songs. Nothing like the 50 gigasong models we have now, young whippersnapper!"

Re:Collectors or memoribilia? hahahahhahahahhahaha (2, Interesting)

Mike Connell (81274) | about 9 years ago | (#12323154)

I laughed when I saw the Intel Pocket Concert was on that list - I still use mine.

Outdated? Maybe, but still jsut as useful as ever.

Re:Collectors or memoribilia? hahahahhahahahhahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323398)

Don't laugh! If it's on a collector's list, it suddenly has resale value!

You might be able to eBay it now and get enough money to buy a proper iPod!

Re:Collectors or memoribilia? hahahahhahahahhahaha (5, Funny)

The Ultimate Fartkno (756456) | about 9 years ago | (#12323179)

"Aah, I remember my first Mac Mini. It was beautiful! All glowy and colorful and nice for the emailing and typing and things. Good times, good times."

"When did you get your Mini, Grandpa?"

"Should be here next Tuesday..."

Re:Collectors or memoribilia? hahahahhahahahhahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323412)

I don't get it.

I ordered mine on announcement day, and it came a day before the official release date.

Is there somebody out there having a hard time buying a mini?

What jerkwater hole in the ground do you live in?

Re:Collectors or memoribilia? hahahahhahahahhahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323894)

I don't even know where to begin.

Ah, now I've found the way. You're an idiot.

Re:Collectors or memoribilia? hahahahhahahahhahaha (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | about 9 years ago | (#12323325)

They said i was crazy for keeping my old zx spectrum and mocked how i kept the origional box , well last year i sold that thing for a rather large ammount of cash on ebay .
Whos laughing now , mewahahahahahaha

Title is incorrect. (3, Informative)

AtariAmarok (451306) | about 9 years ago | (#12323128)

This is about digital music file players, not just MP3 players. The article even mentions that the first item, the Sony, would not play MP3's.

Re:Title is incorrect. (4, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | about 9 years ago | (#12323243)

This is about digital music file players, not just MP3 players. The article even mentions that the first item, the Sony, would not play MP3's.

Nothing much changed there, then.

Re:Title is incorrect. (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | about 9 years ago | (#12323376)

They also make it sound like Sony learned from this first mistake, when in fact they kept putting out ATRAC3 only players until last year IIRC.

Re:Title is incorrect. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323470)


ATRAC players (and files) still sell really well in Asia.

Sony has made a pile of money off them.

Yet another post which assumes US == World.

Re:Title is incorrect. (1)

Neop2Lemus (683727) | about 9 years ago | (#12323764)

Their new flash players don't play .mp3 either. They say they do but what they do is everytime you move your .mp3's onto them it encrypts them and converts them to a "Sony only" .mp3 format to prevent you getting them off the player.

I know that their software is compatable with, and can convert all mp3s, but isn't 100% compatable one of the great computer lies?

Glad I've got an iPod.

Re:Title is incorrect. (2, Interesting)

UWC (664779) | about 9 years ago | (#12323898)

Just for reference, my PSP plays mp3s without changing the format. I know it's not exclusively a digital audio player, but figured I'd throw that out. It plays both MP3 and Atrac3, and I've used it to transfer MP3s between two computers and they came out at the other end with their original format intact. I also have a Sony CD Walkman that plays MP3 and Atrac3 CDs (and has AM/FM/Weather/TV radio tuners). That thing gets some amazing battery life out of two AAs. Instead of my needing to recharge the PSP every day or so even if I only use it for playing audio those days. Of course, I guess the Walkman doesn't have a giant backlit LCD screen or a 222MHz CPU.

Re:Title is incorrect. (1)

TechniMyoko (670009) | about 9 years ago | (#12324001)

Neither does PSP. It has dual 333 mhz processors which are just set to run at 222.

Re:Title is incorrect. (1)

UWC (664779) | about 9 years ago | (#12324105)

I didn't realize it had two processors, but I did know that the processor is a 333MHz currently restricted to 222MHz. Which I guess one can argue makes it potentially more (or less? I don't know) power-efficient than an actual 222MHz one. Regardless, I'm assuming it's still a pretty big drain on the PSP's battery, though I guess it's probably not running at 222MHz when decoding MP3 files.

Re:Title is incorrect. (2, Funny)

XorNand (517466) | about 9 years ago | (#12324006)

Learned from their mistakes? Betamax, DAT, ATRAC3... It doesn't look like they'll ever learn.

Re:Title is incorrect. (1)

MisterLawyer (770687) | about 9 years ago | (#12323413)

As I recall, Sony did advertise it as an MP3 player. They just didn't explain you had to convert it to Sony's proprietary format using their special software first. They could have owned the market had they not done this (and continued to do it until very recently).

Re:Title is incorrect. (1)

swtaarrs (640506) | about 9 years ago | (#12323630)

mp3 player has become the generic name for all these gadgets. It's must easier than saying "digital media player" or "digital music file player".

Fr1st ps0t ? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323129)

Fuck you, gay slashdot readers :)

Re:Fr1st ps0t ? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323177)

you fail it

Re:Fr1st ps0t ? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323205)

so u're looking for gay readers to fuck? That definitely says something about urself

Still have my RIO 500 (1)

theWrkncacnter (562232) | about 9 years ago | (#12323131)

Damn, that makes me feel old. I guess I should keep my RIO 500 then, which BTW still works great and still has one of the best MP3 player UIs.

Re:Still have my RIO 500 (1)

rootofevil (188401) | about 9 years ago | (#12323218)

i replaced my nomad II with a rio500, and even though it had fewer features, it was a good sight better of an MP3 player.

gave it to a roommate when i got my ipod, and im pretty sure he still uses it when he jogs.

Re:Still have my RIO 500 (1)

datajack (17285) | about 9 years ago | (#12323224)

I've still got a PMP-300 :P

It's got a problem with the battery clip, but apart from that is fine :D

Re:Still have my RIO 500 (1)

MatthewNewberg (519685) | about 9 years ago | (#12323533)

Mine did the same thing, the case really didnt hold up to the constant use.

Re:Still have my RIO 500 (1)

msim (220489) | about 9 years ago | (#12323853)

yep, still have my 300 too, it's been a while since i used it, but i think my battery clip was a bit wonky too. it was useful for a while, but i kind of got sick of the same music repeating ad-infinitum.

(I got in the habit of loading it with new songs every evening before going to bed so i could pick it up & take it straight on the train.

I gave up using it after a year, the lack of memory (oh wow, an extra 32 meg in the flash!!) really shitted me off after a while.

Re:Still have my RIO 500 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12324047)

my battery clip did the same thing...unit works, but only if a rubber band is holding the clip on to make contact with the battery

Re:Still have my RIO 500 (1)

jiffyjon (830406) | about 9 years ago | (#12323527)

I love the UI on my rio 600. Unfortunately, the software doesn't work on my mac, so now it's just a plastic box with 11 NOFX songs i can't change.

But the UI is still nice :)

1G? (1)

bird603568 (808629) | about 9 years ago | (#12323139)

Im surprised that the first generation ipod wasnt on the list. Will i guess it is a few years younger and it is only part 1.

im still keeping mine for some time (1)

scenestar (828656) | about 9 years ago | (#12323140)

heck, it might be worth 10.000 someday.

Re:im still keeping mine for some time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323186)

heck, it might be worth 10.000 someday.

Yep, about the time that the hourly wage is $20,000.

yep (2, Funny)

JustNiz (692889) | about 9 years ago | (#12323142)

>>> (remember the Pocket Concert?).

Sure. I have one. Anyone wanna buy it?

Re:yep (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323159)

No, the Yep is made by Samsung. Intel made the Pocket Concert.

Re:yep (5, Funny)

Agret (752467) | about 9 years ago | (#12323178)

Mine was good but I forgot to feed it. The conducter died and the remainder of the group disbanded.

Re:yep (1)

biologicalunit (803753) | about 9 years ago | (#12323737)

I use my Pocket Concert almost everyday. You know, the sound quality is still better than an ipod. I guess you could call it an mp3 legacy system.

Schneider MP-Man (1)

Lispy (136512) | about 9 years ago | (#12323171)

I once had one of those MP-Men. Interestingly in germany it was labeled as a Schneider MP-Man" [tecchannel.de]. Y'know, the company that brought you the Schneider CPC [old-computers.com] back in the 80s.

I sold it for 50 a year ago. It was kinda cool, but honestly I don't regret it. It was too big, had too little Memory and couldn't handle any other files except plain old MP3. It was pretty much an early adopters gadget...

Re:Schneider MP-Man (1)

Lispy (136512) | about 9 years ago | (#12323198)

Lest I forget, it was a total pita to get songs on it since it connected to the parallell port and used a proprierty protocol. I bet there is a Linux project around somewhere by now, but still, it was slo-o-o-o-w!

I'd take (1)

taskforce (866056) | about 9 years ago | (#12323181)

I'd take that Sony VAIO clip over an iPod shuffle any day ;) It looks miniscule...

Re:I'd take (1)

XFilesFMDS1013 (830724) | about 9 years ago | (#12323419)

I'd take that Sony VAIO clip over an iPod shuffle any day

Just about to write something like this, the article explains why it failed.

Mostly because Sony players did not play MP3 files at all, but files formatted in Sony's competing ATRAC3 format.

Now that sucks, but nowadays, they'd have to put in MP3 capability, and converting has become much easier. But overall, I just like the look of the player, I would buy one.

Vintage MP3 Players = Vintage Walkmans = Absurd. (3, Insightful)

Beautyon (214567) | about 9 years ago | (#12323197)

Who has ever heard of an original SONY Walkman going for collectors prices?

There are some on ebay [ebay.com], for the princely sum of $11, meaning they are just hovering above junk now.

The same thing will probably happen to these 1st gen digital players.

Re:Vintage MP3 Players = Vintage Walkmans = Absurd (4, Interesting)

rootofevil (188401) | about 9 years ago | (#12323244)

*ahem* that one is broken, and it says so in the item description.

i bid on a broken ipod the other day (description clearly stated the unit did not work) in hopes of getting the accessories (esp the charger) for a decent price. i maxed out at 50$, bidding finally ended at 275$.

i wonder how much a _working_ walkman would go for.

Re:Vintage MP3 Players = Vintage Walkmans = Absurd (2, Interesting)

ZorbaTHut (126196) | about 9 years ago | (#12323844)

According to http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&cate gory=15053&item=5765975874&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW (another broken one), $350, if it's in new condition with accessories.

That's a lot.

Re:Vintage MP3 Players = Vintage Walkmans = Absurd (2, Insightful)

robson (60067) | about 9 years ago | (#12323717)

The interesting thing is that my first Walkman, a Sony F5, was build like a bloody tank. That is to say, it lasted me a good 10 years before it finally broke down. No [tape-playing] walkman I've owned since has held up as well. It seems that, after a certain point of maturity, many industries settles on a disposable approach to product design and construction.

(Also, I'd like you damn kids to get off my lawn.)

Re:Vintage MP3 Players = Vintage Walkmans = Absurd (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | about 9 years ago | (#12323906)

My first "walkman" was a Sharp model. It sucked batteries dry faster than a hooker can... well... you know. It also broke in about a year.

The replacement was a Panasonic. It's still going strong, though the spring on the tape door went dead after 5 or 6 years.

I did go ahead and buy another one, since I wanted one with an LCD tuner readout. It's a real Sony that doesn't get much use, though comes in handy at times.

More recent purchases in this area are:
- a Panasonic SL-162 CD player, built in 1995 (according to the sticker on the bottom), and still working, flawlessly.
- a Creative 6GB Jukebox player. Uses crappy 1.2V AA-sized rechargable batteries that die if you aren't careful (after one charge, even!). And do you know how long it takes to transfer 6GB over USB 1.1? Jeez...
- an iPod, 4th generation (click wheel), 40GB. This is the one that gets used most.

I'd give Panasonic kudos for the same reason you liked your Sony F5. It's built to last. And those damn kids need to get off my lawn too... and turn down that "music"!

Re:Vintage MP3 Players = Vintage Walkmans = Absurd (1)

UWC (664779) | about 9 years ago | (#12323967)

You might want to look into a new CD player. What kind of battery life does that Panasonic get you? (I'm actually genuinely curious) Newer CD players can get 30-50 hours on 2 AAs, even more if you use MP3 CDs (only on compatible players, of course) since it doesn't have to spin as fast to fill the buffer sufficiently to avoid skipping. If you use the CD player enough, a new one might save battery money in the long run, or at least the annoyance of having to change batteries as often. Plus the players are barely bigger than a CD these days.

Guess what?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323223)

Know what? IPod isn't listed anywhere there, so maybe now you guys can talking about the IPod like it was the first and only MP3 player ever. We're getting sick of it.

- The non Mac world.

Early MP# Players Review (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323234)

Remember this?
No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

Re:Early MP# Players Review (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323394)

No, early MP3 players preferred Fraunhofer, not Lame.

Heh (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323239)

"Hell! I remember when I listened to Mp3's in 64kb!! They don't encode things like they used to."

Dr. Who (3, Funny)

sonixtwo (878390) | about 9 years ago | (#12323249)

Did anyone see the second episode of the new Dr Who series? It was called The End of The World, and the Dr. and his assistant went to the future. WHile there, some future people bring out a jukebox and say "An ancient source of historic music...an IPod!" (or something like that). Kinda funny.

Re:Dr. Who (3, Funny)

mikael (484) | about 9 years ago | (#12323387)

WHile there, some future people bring out a jukebox and say "An ancient source of historic music...an IPod!" (or something like that). Kinda funny.

And they'll be playing the Sigue Sigue Sputnik track "21st Century Boy" ... Stereo ... video...

Re:Dr. Who (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323420)

Ah, yes. Timeless humor.

obligitory zappa quote (5, Funny)

jeffehobbs (419930) | about 9 years ago | (#12323295)

"It is not necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice. There are two other possibilities: one is paper work, and the other is nostalgia."

--Frank Zappa

Still haven't gotten a mp3 player. (1)

Construct X (582731) | about 9 years ago | (#12323297)

Haven't felt the need for one but I wouldn't mind having a PSP when the prices come down to $150 with a game.

Oh nostalgia...not (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323338)

I'm still using my PJB-100. Right now it plays "Happy the Man" from Genesis.

The player rocks! It even survived changing the HD to a 20GB model.

And you can play Sokoban on it ;)

Iomega Hip Zip (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323350)

I betcha a bunch that no collector will ever want one of these.

But I still use mine! (1)

cluening (6626) | about 9 years ago | (#12323355)

I got a Rio 300 somewhere around 1999 or 2000, and I still use it fairly regularly. It's only got 64MB of memory, but that's the perfect size for the hour or so trips I normally use it for. It is light, easy to carry, and works great on my Linux machine. If only it displayed song titles like the 500...

Still have one of the first (2, Interesting)

Schnapple (262314) | about 9 years ago | (#12323356)

I still have a Diamond Rio PMP300 [amazon.com] - the one they got sued over and established the precedent on MP3 players being legal. Some dude sold it to me for $10 used - and it wasn't too old at the time (~1999). Of course the 32MB size limit got hit pretty quickly and meant incomplete albums or downsampled ones. And it had this really annoying flaw where the battery door would break and then have to be taped shut.

I think it still works and it's a cool piece of nostalgia. But what struck me was - it has a digital screen across the top and a large, circular interface across the bottom. So did the iPod draw inspiration from this? Or did Rio just nearly get it right the first time?

my pjb-100 is still a good MP3 (1)

torpor (458) | about 9 years ago | (#12323389)

player ..

i only wish i could write code for it. it'd be a great synthesis platform.. (or sampler, even..)

MPTrip CD MP3 Player - January 2000!! (0, Flamebait)

BenJeremy (181303) | about 9 years ago | (#12323392)

I think I've got you all beat.

I bought my MPTrip CD/MP3 Player back in January of 2000... Went well with my Apex AD-600 (1998) and the collection of MP3s I started in 1997 (compressed my 400+ Audio CD collection).

The three steps to success (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323401)

1. Post bullshit article about suddenly valuable electronic junk on slashdot.
2. Sell your old mp3 portable 'cheaply' on eBay.
3. PROFIT!!!

I'm still holding on. (1)

Construct X (582731) | about 9 years ago | (#12323445)

Still holding onto my white with purple faceplate U.S. Robotics 14.4 external modem till the day it becomes desirable again...

Re: I'm still holding on. (1)

Beetjebrak (545819) | about 9 years ago | (#12323795)

Combined with HylaFax software I've made quite a few 14k4 modems "desirable" again. Cheap fax server!!

collectors are not acquiring these (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323453)

It looks like vintage MP3 portables are the hot new collectible for old radio connoisseurs.

Uh, are we reading the same articles? Part 1 specifically says antique audio collectors do NOT strive to acquire contemporary audio equipment, "but I could easily see how 30 years from now some of these digital music players could be coveted."

What a surprise, a misleading Slashdot summary.

Ahhh... inconvenience (0, Flamebait)

jfengel (409917) | about 9 years ago | (#12323476)

Is this going to be one of those things where audiophiles insist that old, hard-to-get, inconvenient media sound "warmer", "richer", and "fuller"? Like with the vinyl records and vacuum-tube amplifiers?

I keep waiting for somebody to insist that you haven't really heard Nelly until you've heard him on wax disc. Yeah, the click when the needle goes past the seam is kind of annoying, but the sound is harmonically vibrant and more natural.

Re:Ahhh... inconvenience (1, Informative)

cgenman (325138) | about 9 years ago | (#12323976)

I hate to be the one to say this, but it's true. Lots of music that is mixed sounds best for the medium that it was composed, recorded, and mixed for. Vinyl was made and tweaked to sound good recording symphonies, and lots of jazz / early rock recordings were made and tweaked to sound good on vinyl. That's why a lot of the classic recordings just sound better on record. Get one of Thelonious Monk's greatest hits albums on vinyl and CD, and listen to both, alternating every 5 minutes. The vinyl just sounds better.

Now take a copy of a modern electronica song, like Orbital, or modern pop, like Brittany Spear's Toxic. These sound better on CD than they do on record. Ignoring the limiting lots of CD mixers choose to use these days to screw up the sound, CD's are "crisper," and better at making sharp buzzes than warm tones. They're also better if you've got 30 different tracks going at once... Tragic Kingdom on vinyl would not sound as good.

I'm convinced most of the stuff from the 80's was mixed for the radio, which is why Aha's Take On Me still sounds good when you've got interference coming in from rainclouds. Most modern music doesn't hold up against rain when broadcast.

original nomad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323477)

anyone interested in my creative nomad? i loved that player but then it wouldn't work with windows XP so i had to ditch it.

Pointless nostalgia v. pointful nostalgia (2)

earthbound kid (859282) | about 9 years ago | (#12323530)

It's pointless to reminisce about the good old days of MP3 players, when you consider that old player all held less and had lower quality audio than modern players.

Now, old digital cameras, there's something to be nostalgic about! True, they also hold less and take worse pictures, but taking worse pictures is a feature as well as a bug, if you're into artsy-fartsy stuff. Recently, you hear a lot about people using "Lomo" cameras (old Russian camera that produce awesome looking but unrealistic photos) and abusing Polaroids. I myself have gotten some fun out of the Game Boy Camera [deadhobosociety.com]. What I really wish I still had though is my first digital camera. Now that thing took some awesomely ugly pictures! I really enjoyed how it left funky streaks on all the 640x480 pictures. Plus the color was all clumped up and everything had compression artifacts. It's a shame that it just broke one day.

Anyhow, old MP3 player -> lame.
Old cameras -> awesome.

That's my two cents.

But does it? (1)

Hatta (162192) | about 9 years ago | (#12323562)

But does it play OGG?

Re:But does it? (2, Funny)

glenstar (569572) | about 9 years ago | (#12323790)

In order to be fully effective this question needs to be superceded by:

Can you run Linux on it?
Is the source available? Is the code under the GPL? (see question above)
Is the firmware open?

Potential Follow-on questions include:

Does it play FLAC?
Does it use DRM? (Note: this is a *negative* question)
Did MS have *anything* to do with its creation? (Negative question, see above)

I have a pre-MP3 player (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | about 9 years ago | (#12323609)

It used unidirectional wireless networking to play music and voice from storage and news streams at remote locations. (AM and FM.)

I await any offers.

Early MP3 players the biggest thing in antiques! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323618)

Along with bronzed and unbronzed porcelain birds.

Samsung Yepp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323716)

I still have my 32MB Samsung Yepp I bought in late 1999, though I haven't used it in a while as it has a parallel port interface and my current PC doesn't have one. I remember you could get an optional USB cable, but I can't find one for sale now. It is a great little gadget, displays ID3 tags and has a smartmedia slot for extra storage. Maybe I should put it up on eBay and see how much I could get for it.

I'm collecting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12323765)

old quantum computers. The really old, slow ones that only do 7 septaflops/millisecond. Man, I remember the old days when it took a whole 10 minutes to crack a 2048 bit cypher.

first mp3 cd player? (1)

lucky130 (267588) | about 9 years ago | (#12323781)

What about the Genica GN803 Tavarua? I picked up one of these in 2000-ish, and I think it was one of (if not the) first commercial mp3 cd player. Of course, it was (and is) also a big steaming pile.

Does Phillips Expanium count? (1)

electricsheep7 (794184) | about 9 years ago | (#12323835)

I still use one of these.

Re:Does Phillips Expanium count? (1)

cianduffy (742890) | about 9 years ago | (#12323982)

I sold one of these BRICKS of MP3CD players recently for E50 to some guy who didn't know how useless it was.... Didn't like long filenames. Would sometimes handle them, sometimes not. Couldn't go down more than a few layers of directories. No filename display. No remote control But hey, it did feel great to have my entire music collection (it was 2000, I was a kid, and my CD collection did fit into 700MB at 96K) on one disc. I also still use a 64MB JazPiper a lot... well, its 32MB base, 32MB SmartMedia cards, which I've got loads of. And Linux/BeOS drivers courtesy of DVD Jon...

This isn't about nostalgia... YET (4, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | about 9 years ago | (#12323852)

I might have missed it skimming through the comments, but it seems odd that no-one's come to the rather obvious conclusion that this isn't about nostalgia- at least, not for most of the people buying them at present.

Put simply, it's about investment. These people have seen the boom in interest in "retro" computing and electronics, reckon that they'll be worth something in the future, so they're snapping them up now, and driving the prices up.

Of course, whether the resultant increase in prices, and people keeping/selling their old players instead of binning them means it is now worth it is debatable. Personally, I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed.

At one stage a few years ago (96-97) I was convinced that 8-bit computers would grow in value as a result of a "retro" nostalgia boom. Well, that was half true, but the simple fact is that, except for the rarer machines (e.g. Sinclair ZX80 in good condition can easily fetch UKP 200.00), most old computers were so widely-produced that they'll never be worth that much. I've seen Sinclair ZX Spectrums in a games-shop window for UKP 100.00, but that's with high-street chain retail mark-up (for lazy nostalgics who can't be arsed getting them on eBay for 30.00). Unless you have one of the rarer models (e.g. short-lived Timex-Sinclair bastardised Spectrum), you're not going to make tons of money without some effort. Ditto the C64.

Back to the subject; is anyone *seriously* getting nostalgic for those silly little 32MB devices that were the first widely-available MP3 players 5 or 6 years back?

Even then, I thought they were rubbish. You'd have been lucky if you could get a whole album at 128Mbps on them, which you had to transfer manually via the (typically?) parallel connection. I was still listening to cassettes back then, and all things considered, they (or portable CD players) were a better bet at the time. The MP3 players were for geeks and "boys toys" gadget freaks.

FS: 6 GB Creative Labs Nomad Jukebox (1)

wheatwilliams (605974) | about 9 years ago | (#12323875)

Anybody want to buy my ultra-rare, highly collectible Creative Labs Nomad Jukebox with its 6GB hard drive?

I'm not sure what makes it rare or collectible, but the article says it will be some day.

Weighs a bit under one pound with the four AA rechargeable batteries.

blatant self promotion (1)

pjrc (134994) | about 9 years ago | (#12324005)

Actually, my little project [pjrc.com] pre-dates the PJB-100 (ok, mine's not a nicely packaged comsumer toy like that, but it was earlier), and even mine wasn't the first commercially available hard-drive player (that wasn't a PC in a trunk).

There was another one, whose name I don't quite recall, which was truely the first hard drive player.... became available around the time I was starting my second design (the one you see now). It was an in-dash car player, selling for approx $1100.

Re:blatant self promotion (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#12324107)

That was the empegCAR player, which first shipped sometime in late 1998/early 1999 from memory. They are still used regularly by thousands of people worldwide, and some have had up to 200GB of HD space fitted

PJB-100 (1)

ipoverscsi (523760) | about 9 years ago | (#12324042)

I bought one as soon as it was available. I was going on a summer trip to England and I wanted to bring my own tunes with me. The damned thing cost me $750 USD, but I'm still using it today with the same battery that came with it. I had to replace the headphones, though, as the batting crumbled to dust. TCO so far comes out to $100/year, but it's getting cheaper by the day!

The PJB-100 still working, just about. (1)

Jetifi (188285) | about 9 years ago | (#12324051)

I have one of them, the 20Gb version. Plays any and all MP3, as nice as you'd expect. As one of my friends once said, it truly looks like a pre-perestroika iPod from the USSR.

Curiosities: hidden games of mine-sweeper and sobokan. 5v charger, which is difficult to replace. (4.5: yes. 6: yes. 5: no.) The only annoying things are the USB1 interface, which is dog slow, and the inability to get songs off the thing.

Also the strange lineage. Digital Labs came up with it, and Compaq had it sold to a Korean company that didn't do squat with it.

Right now it's sitting unused with 15Gb of music on it, for want of a charger and a new battery. MP3 blogs and Internet radio have taken over my soundscape. Still, I got four years of good use out of the thing.

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