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Fat Geeks Healthier Than You Thought

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the do-not-start-eating-fried-peeps dept.

Science 454

DoubleWhopper writes "Sound the trumpets! Being a fat geek may not increase your risk of death after all. According to this ABC News article, a re-examination of the available data suggests obesity is still a health risk, but the 'pleasantly plump' among us 'do not have the same health risks as obese individuals.' But, from the article: 'People shouldn't think that this study gives them a free trip to the pork rind buffet.' Believe what you want, but you'd better hope I don't get to the Twinkies aisle before you."

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Cool (5, Funny)

tsotha (720379) | more than 9 years ago | (#12326996)

Great. Now I can live a long, sexless life!

Re:Cool (2, Funny)

merpal (873013) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327032)

Now you have more time to finally get that gym membership you've been considering.

Re:Cool (1)

dabigpaybackski (772131) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327057)

Rent "The Dao of Steve." Then you'll see not all hope is lost for fat geeks.

Re:Cool (5, Funny)

kurosawdust (654754) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327073)

Yeah, but if you're dedicated enough to the cause, you can get yourself some nice boobs as a sort of consolation prize! :)

Re:Cool (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327166)

That is a serious condition called gynecomastia.

If you have it, get to a doctor ASAP! You likely have severe endocrine problems. Make sure they find and treat those problems (likely high estrogen and low testosterone) and not just say "you're fat".

Endocrine problems can lead to diabetes (itself an endocrine problem), depression (sometimes to the point of suicide or commitment to an insane asylum), forgetfulness (sometimes permanent), anxiety (to the point of phobias), loss of concentration (to the point you are ineffective at work), rage (to the point of danger), high blood pressure (to the point of severe headaches, and possible heart attack and stroke), and osteoporosis (to the point of fractures and stooped posture - yes, this can and does occur in men too). Hot flashes can also occur.

I forgot to mention - NO SEX DRIVE!

Keeping this anonymous because I suffered from endocrine problems (only minor boobs). Luckily my endo put me on some meds which control most of the endocrine problems. Still some boobs, but hopefully those'll go away.

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327187)


I dunno. Boobs are fun!

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327140)

Dude, that is the plan I'm going for.
I finally told Anthony Robins to go and fuck himself.

Holy Fuck! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12326998)

Your market has a Twinkie AISLE!?

Re:Holy Fuck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327093)

I thought it was that new reality show: Twinkie Isle.

Re:Holy Fuck! (1)

SunFan (845761) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327194)


My grocery store has one aisle that is entirely cookies/crackers on one side and pudding cups/candy/etc on the other side. Another aisle is entirely soda pop.

So, yeah, bascially my market has _two_ Twinkie aisles.

Wait a minute (1, Insightful)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327000)

All this says is "REALLY fat people are more unhealthy then fat people." Well duh. We already knew that one. Sheeesh.

Re:Wait a minute (4, Insightful)

LewsTherinKinslayer (817418) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327031)

"REALLY fat people are more unhealthy then fat people." Well duh. We already knew that one. Sheeesh.

Any body type can be unhealthy. No matter what kind of build you have, you can still have health problems such as hypertension and high cholesterol. Good diet, regular exercise and annual checkups should be encouraged for everyone. My best friend is skinny as a rail but I have no doubt his cholesterol is through the roof.

Re:Wait a minute (4, Informative)

shawb (16347) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327084)

Actually, according to the article, slightly "overweight" people actually have a lower mortality rate (read as: they live longer) than people in the "ideal weight" category. This actually turns conventional thinking about health on it's head. Or rather it might make the "ideal weight" a little heavier than has been pushed.

Re:Wait a minute (4, Insightful)

CharlesEGrant (465919) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327205)

There is no knowing from the brief news article, but I wonder if they filtered out deaths from diseases that cause wasting? It seems to me that if they included a significant number of deaths from AIDS or cancer it might make it look like being underweight was unhealthy when in fact low weight and death would both be consequences of the underlying disease.

craving for more foood (0)

Statman (208736) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327006)

me want more food...

Reduce your risk of death? (4, Funny)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327009)

Reduce your risk of death? Let's leave religion out of this one, shall we?

Re:Reduce your risk of death? (5, Funny)

Tharkban (877186) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327037)

reduced from 100% ?

Re:Reduce your risk of death? (5, Funny)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327059)

my risk is 95%, there is a 5% chance that i am god

Re:Reduce your risk of death? (1)

lheal (86013) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327097)

I think they meant "reduced risk of breasts", that is, having the blubbery, giggly kind of pectorals that come from Twinky overindulgence.

Re:Reduce your risk of death? (5, Funny)

Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (142215) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327202)

It's possible. The longer you live, the more likely you'll survive till:

1. The Rapture
2. We find a way to stop/reverse aging
3. The aliens find a way to stop/reverse aging.
4. We find a way to travel back in time, duplicate our bodies, and implant our souls in the new body.
5. see #4, but change souls to neural pathways, quantuum states, and data.
6, see #4, but the aliens invent it, not us.
7. see #5, but the aliens invent it, not us
8. God decides death is now deprecated/obsolete.
9. The Grim Reaper takes himself out.
10. Entropy reverses or stops, possibly due to dark matter/anti-matter/quasi-matter/doesn't matter/the universe compressing instead of expanding/aliens/God/Cmdr Taco.
11. The bugs in the universe responsible for death and other bad things are fixed.
12. God ports the universe from Windows to Linux.
13. The Grim Reaper revokes the license for death because Andrew Tridgell reverse engineered it.

:)

Ha (1)

ValiantSoul (801152) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327010)

"but you'd better hope I don't get to the Twinkies aisle before you."

To bad for you...I work at a convenience store and already have the twinkies i want :)

Re:Ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327033)

What, you got a job???

Re:Ha (5, Insightful)

eobanb (823187) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327096)

People, the concept everyone ought to grasp is that it's EXERCISE that actually avoids obesity, not just eating right. You can eat a whole box of twinkies, yes, but it's way worse if you also don't ever exercise. The most straightforward way to do this is to just walk, jog, or bike places that you might otherwise drive to. If it's within a mile or so, and you don't really have any cargo, and you aren't late, then do the environment AND yourself a favour and get there on your own power.

Re:Ha (1, Interesting)

SunFan (845761) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327212)


My theory is that the federal government could get tremendous bang/buck if they simply regulated non-diet soft drinks. There are many people who drink one or more cans of soda a day, and each one has 150 or more calories. That's 1050 extra calories per week, translating into 18 pounds gained per year if nothing is done to burn those excess calories.

Even a twinkie has more nutritive value than a soft drink. Sad, but true.

Re:Ha (3, Funny)

jbrader (697703) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327128)

And just think, before today you never got to brag about working in a convenience store.

Hah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327011)

"Yea mom, being fat is the new thing"

Re:Hah (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327083)

Yup, it's that new Fatkins diet thing.

The (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327012)

First Rule Of Fat Club Is You Don't Talk About Fat Club.

Re:The (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327024)

Second rule is no purging.

Re:The (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327215)

Hah. that'd be a good idea for a short film. has anyone done this?

Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327018)

Finally! A real excuse to quit my diet!

Troublesome (5, Insightful)

Staplerh (806722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327020)

According to this ABC News article, a re-examination of the available data suggests obesity is still a health risk, but the 'pleasantly plump' among us 'do not have the same health risks as obese individuals.'

First off, there seems to be some number-shuffling here. This is a very politicized and personal topic for a lot of people, and different motivations are behind the different studies. This particular study has been trumpeted by the main-stream media (it's been out for a few days now) because it is different and will attract reader's interest. The scientists that told us that having a BMI over 25 will most likely still stick to their guns and say that we should be healthy. The danger of this study is the attitude that we even saw in the original post:

But, from the article: 'People shouldn't think that this study gives them a free trip to the pork rind buffet.' Believe what you want, but you'd better hope I don't get to the Twinkies aisle before you.

Come now, you may not be at as high a risk as previous studies had indicated - and may be even better off than an unhealthy skinflint, but there is no rational way that binging on the Twinkies aisle will benefit your health whatsoever. I know it was flippant and humorous, but it's still a dangerous idea to think that you can eat Joe Lois, maintain a BMI of 29 and be healthy. Indeed, it's not the BMI - it's the food you eat, the nutrition, etc.

Re:Troublesome (1)

lheal (86013) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327063)

"...a dangerous idea to think that you can eat Joe Lois ...."

Joe Louis? Why would I eat a dead boxer?

Re:Troublesome (2, Informative)

petitgars (749779) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327089)

"Jos. Louis" are a sort of mass-market chocolate cake sold in Quebec. They're made by Vachon, and hella-tasty. It's actually named after the founder family's two sons, Joseph and Louis, not after the boxer. They also have a vanilla version called a "May West". No explanation for that name.

Bingo. (4, Interesting)

khasim (1285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327107)

This is just a very crappy article.
I know it was flippant and humorous, but it's still a dangerous idea to think that you can eat Joe Lois, maintain a BMI of 29 and be healthy. Indeed, it's not the BMI - it's the food you eat, the nutrition, etc.
Damn straight! It isn't about weight. It's about exercise and nutrition.

Show me the death stats for people based upon exercise and nutrition INSTEAD of focusing on the weight of their corpse.

I'm betting that doing it that way would show a more understandable progression (ie. the healthier you keep yourself, the longer you will live).

But that kind of research won't get the headlines.

And the average person who reads that will only remember and believe what he wants to ("being fat means I'll live longer").

Re:Troublesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327114)

I think it's all about balancing the good and the bad, you know?

Like for example, if you eat a box of twinkies, you should follow that up with a multi-litre jug of wine, since some wine everyday is good for you.

Re:Troublesome (1)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327139)

But the question is, what kind of wine do you drink with Twinkies?

I'm betting it should be something in a box.

Re:Troublesome (0, Flamebait)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327184)

The BMI was always a joke -- and it *hurts* the cause of fitness by setting hopeless goals. I was bodybuilding when I was 17, which was the best shape ive ever been in my life, and according to the BMI (although it didnt exist at the time -- im in my late 20s now) I was still 55lbs overweight at the time.

Is fitness a serious issue for this country? Yes. Is lying about it to encourage people to do something healthy still wrong? Yes. Everyone has known the BMI was simply *incorrect* since it came out, now the governement is just figuring it out?

Excellent news. (5, Funny)

crottsma (859162) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327022)

Great! Now they just need to account for prolonged monitor radiation and celibacy.

Re:Excellent news. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327147)

I remember reading an article that masturbation can prolong your life, so I tried Googling it, but found this [ldolphin.org] instead, which I found much more entertaining anyway. I especially liked the part about "not admiring yourself in a mirror," heh.

Re:Excellent news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327164)

celibacy huh? do you think your body can REALLY tell the difference between Palmella and the real thing?

Studies (2, Interesting)

XFilesFMDS1013 (830724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327023)

These studies just give people a reason to keep eating badly.

But, from the article: 'People shouldn't think that this study gives them a free trip to the pork rind buffet.'

Yeah, because people really listen to stuff that they don't want to hear.

"The best predictor of obesity is being overweight," said Charles Clark, professor of medicine and pharmacology at Indiana University School of Medicine in Indianapolis. "The younger you are when you become overweight the more likely that you will become obese."

Anyone gone to their local middle school recently and looked at the weight of the kdis there. I deal with them almost every day, and I can tell you, the younger they are, the fatter they seem to be getting. Even the anorexic ones.

I need to *gain* weight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327025)

Actually, this is a bit of a problem. My weight problems go the other way. And this isn't just "I'm too skinny". This is "I am medically underweight, and I feel dizzy and tired all the time as a result". My first thought is, well, just eat more, but I just somehow can't seem to get in the habit. I keep forgetting, or it seems like too much effort to get up and fix something.

What the fuck do I do about this?

Re:I need to *gain* weight (5, Insightful)

thatgun (221980) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327095)

Try weightlifting. Years ago, I was barely eating anything and I wasn't exercising (at my worst point I was eating a Reser's burrito a day (I know, that's pretty bad, but I just wasn't hungry!)), and getting dizzy occasionally. Weightlifting, through stimulating my body for growth, made me HUNGRY. Now I eat frequently, have huge amounts of energy that keeps me going all day long, and am happier.

If you weightlift, you will start getting into the habit of eating more. Just remember to drink plenty of water throughout the day (sometimes dizziness can be brought on by lack of fluids), and hopefully take vitamins.

Re:I need to *gain* weight (2, Informative)

woodsrunner (746751) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327111)

There seems to be a number of factors that can contribute to being skinny: smoking and poor diet offer different challenges.

If you're smoking, quit. You will soon replace your smoking with snacking and fill out in no time.

If you are young and not eating well, which seems to be the case, you've got to worry. It seems that people like this have a tendency to just go to obesity once their metabolism slows down.

So just start working on eating regular, healthy meals that are easy to make and eat. I'd stick with stuff like pork stir fry, it's easy to make, easy to store and reheat and has a lot of good fat calories. London Broils are also a good source of calories and nutrients. Don't over cook your food, use real butter, drink whole milk and stay away from prefab food -- it's all salt and no helpful calories. -- at least not the right kind.

Eat breakfast every morning, and go for a walk or some other sort of exercise daily to get your body hungry. Also work on drinking more water, this will help open up your ailementary canal to more food.

Good luck!

funny thing about breakfast (1)

rebug (520669) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327133)

I wake up hungry, but for some reason I can't eat in the morning. I'm so repelled by food that I can't pack a lunch even when I know I'm going to be hungry later.

Because of this, I generally try to eat a good meal right before I go to bed.

Odwalla Bars, beer (2, Funny)

rebug (520669) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327117)

Odwalla sells nutrient-dense food bars that will raise your blood sugar enough to keep you from passing out all the time. I'm underweight myself and often can't be bothered to get myself some real food; these work great for those times.

Drinking a six pack of dark ale daily will raise your caloric intake significantly, too.

Build Muscle. Do weight lifting. (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327173)

The heck, you don't need weightlifting. You need to do 10 pushups,abs and sit-ups a-day.

I weight 65kg. Maybe that's skinny for you, but before exercise, I weighted 55kg.

Then i began weightlifting, and my chest got less flat, I gained biceps (look ma, I have muscles!), and my neck stopped looking like Shaggy from Scooby Doo.

Eat more meat, and replace those empty calories with whole-wheat bread. Sugar won't make you more muscular.

Re:I need to *gain* weight (2, Informative)

adolfojp (730818) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327213)

Perhaps you should check for Hyperthyrodism.

Good luck.

Adolfo

you guys may be healthy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327026)

But all you fat linsux loving loosers out there will still never get your little OS accepted by the IT world.

Re:you guys may be healthy (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327049)

It's losers, here this might help...

You: loser
Your mom: loose

Siskel & Ebert (5, Funny)

Hao Wu (652581) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327028)

EVERYONE thought the fat one would check-out first...

NOPE!

Re:Siskel & Ebert (3, Funny)

The Amazing Fish Boy (863897) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327079)

EVERYONE thought the fat one would check-out first...NOPE!

Pffft. That had nothing to do with weight, and everything to do with Ebert eating Siskel.

Can still have issues if you're not overweight (1)

banuk (148382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327039)

being overweight gives you a greater chance of having diseases like high blood pressure and cholesterol which in turn lead to heart attacks... you can be a lightweight and still have high blood pressure and cholesterol and keel over if all you're eating are twinkies and pork rinds

Re:Can still have issues if you're not overweight (2, Informative)

shawb (16347) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327094)

Caution about this statement: being OBESE gives you a greater chance of having diseases which lead to a higher mortality rate (I.E. shorter life.) According to the article, moderately OVERWEIGHT people actually have a LOWER mortality rate than people in the "ideal weight" category as was previously accepted. Overweight and obese are very different classifications.

Re:Can still have issues if you're not overweight (1)

RockClimbingFool (692426) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327104)

There are always exceptions to everything. Obese people are going to have more health problems than non obese people.

Black Geeks Geekier Than You Thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327044)

David Hasselhoff: Low Rider [photobucket.com]

In which sense? (5, Funny)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327047)

Physical death, maybe not (though I'm skeptical... this smells like social backlash, again).


However, fat geeks will always have another thing to consider. Darwinian death. Eat those twinkies, my pretties... just means more pussy for me!

/kidding

Re:In which sense? (4, Funny)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327058)

I can't believe I posted something like that on /. on a Saturday night! Shut up, just shut up. =p

Re:In which sense? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327091)

I was going to make a "Dwarf" comment, but then I realized...

Hey! There's no reason for us both to be upset. I can do a grand imitation of a girl.

A/S/L?

Re:In which sense? (1)

KingPrad (518495) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327193)

This made me cry and laugh at the same time. I always appreciate good wit over the usual low-brow sarcasm most people use.

Serendipity? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327050)

DoubleWhopper writes...

Heh.

I dont know... (5, Insightful)

cloudkj (685320) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327051)

These studies and numbers change all the time. Now they're telling us it's not as bad as we thought. Tomorrow it'll be death faster than the Grim Reaper.

My take on it is just to maintain a healthy lifestyle. Why not spend less time on these studies about obesity, and more on promoting healthy eating and exercise? Even geeks can do it. Take several small breaks during the day. Do some stretches. Go for a walk. Sit and look at green things in the distance. Go frolic in the grass. It makes you much less stress-prone, more productive, and healthy.

Re:I dont know... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327070)

Last time I frolicked out in public I got arrested, maybe I'm doing it wrong.

Re:I dont know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327192)

Application of research is what allows the former superstitions about health to be overturned and abandoned as the useless heaps that they were. Increases in knowledge about health, by research, further destroys those surviving superstitions. It is not necessary to now stop research, and I dare say that without research health would have never been improved over the levels of the 45-year old man. Simple comments, though seeming insightful, as yours, are not constructive in that respect. Journalism, or what passes for journalism in many areas unfortunately: commercial journalism, is at fault here as in reporting on all scientific research studies by inadequately prepared or simply ignorant journalists. It is the overly prevalent anathema against the useful blog, and against scientific understanding-it is required to be able to provide information in that area.

Re:I dont know... (1)

benchbri (764527) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327199)

I say just get them all into LARPing. Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt!

Risk of death??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327060)

Being a fat geek may not increase your risk of death after all.

How can it? Your risk of death is already 100%

i know why (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327065)

Fat Geeks get no lovin' from the opposite sex, and women are a surefire way to go to an early grave!

Take my wife... please.

har

Strangely pleasent "news" .. or is it? (5, Insightful)

breakbeatninja (846922) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327066)

Sure, this is great news for a good portion of the American population, a country with a ridiculously high rate of obesity and overweight individuals. However, one has to question its objectivity and scientific basis. As one poster already pointed out, the story merely suggests that somewhat fat people are more "healthy" than obese people. I for one am not the skinniest geek, but I don't really think this is the right kind of motivation for me to read in wanting to shed a few 'extra' pounds. :)

I maintain a reasonbly healthy diet, try to balance my nutrition and exercize when I can.. but in this fast-paced go-go-go environment of urban America it's very difficult to stay ahead physically, financially and maintain one's sanity. While I don't doubt that I'm relatively healthy, I also think that I could be more healthy.

We geeks tend to sit down for the majority of the day and feel our asses grow as we're emmersed in various technological endeavors. This is all fine and dandy, but as my doctor pointed out recently, it's best to shed those extra pounds while we're still young as the older we get the harder it gets to rid ourselves of them as our metabolic rate slows down. So I would suggest to my fellow geeks to do what you can when you can and take articles such as these with no more than a grain of salt. In two weeks there may be another study that says otherwise. Besides, who can believe any story about how much food we should eat that's posted on a site whose founder is some random taco!

Re:Strangely pleasent "news" .. or is it? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327197)

As one poster already pointed out, the story merely suggests that somewhat fat people are more "healthy" than obese people

As anoother poster pointed out, that is not all the study said. The study looked at how body mass index corresponded to mortality rates. What they found was that there was a rough ordering:

Morbidly Obese>underweight>"ideal" weight>slightly overweight

I didn't know the risk had changed (4, Funny)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327067)

Being a fat geek may not increase your risk of death after all.

Last I knew, the human race had a 100% mortality rate. Being "pleasantly plump" might exempt some of us from death?

Re:I didn't know the risk had changed (5, Funny)

Impeesa (763920) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327126)

Hardly a 100% mortality rate, actually. Given the exponential nature of human population growth, some have proposed that perhaps as many as 10% of all homo sapiens who have ever lived are still alive today. This means, of course, that being born is currently only about 90% fatal, and that rate is slowly but surely dropping.

The important factor is activity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327078)

Statistically, long-term exercise patterns are very influential on your longevity.

I don't know the source for this, other than a lecture and graph in a health course last semester.

I'm a.. (5, Funny)

NIK282000 (737852) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327080)

I'm a skinny geek you insensitive clod!

Fat Geeks Healthier Than You Thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327081)

...But still just as ugly.

DNA (5, Funny)

floorten (44802) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327085)

Douglas Adams died exercising in the gym. I think that says something important to us all ... ;-)

Re:DNA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327092)

With logic like that I shouldn't take shits anymore because of the alleged death of Elvis.

Re:DNA (4, Funny)

tsotha (720379) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327170)

That's the reason you won't catch me in a hospital. People die in there...

Re:DNA (1)

KingPrad (518495) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327177)

This is modded Insightful?? Funny would fit better, but apparently some people agree with the sentiment!

You'd have to be a hell of an idiot to avoid the gym because of the miniscule amount of people who happen to die in them each year.

I'd put money down that more people die sitting on the toilet than working out.

Re:DNA (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327214)

who amongst us is old enough to remember the irony of how james fix died?

lifestyle and activity? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327098)

My thought is it relates more to lifestyle and fitness level than anything. For example, my mother is overweight and has been all her life. Yet she is the most active person I know. She has tremendous energy and gets an incredible amount done every day. So yes, she is quite overweight, but she's very fit.

Same goes for her father, who was a big heavy Wisconsin farmer. He used to laugh about doctors telling him to lose weight for better health and a longer life. My grandfather just shrugged and said "I've buried all my skinny friends." He was overweight all his life too, but being a farmer he was very fit.

Of course these are individual cases and anecdotal evidence is pretty worthless. I just want to say that being overweight and being out of shapeare two different things. Some fat people are in better shape and more fit than some skinny people. Not all, obviously. It must come down to genetics to some degree, but also how fit they are and how much exercise they get.

This research probably doesn't mean you can stock up on twinkies and mountain dew. It just means you can be fit and healthy even if you are fat. But being fat certainly doesn't mean you're healthy!

Don't put too much stock in these studies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327099)

Don't put too much stock in these studies. We know it's not particularly healthy to be fat. Eat right and exercise. Period. Whether the number of deaths per year directly linked to obesity is x or 4x shouldn't really affect how we live our lives.

As a side criticism, it's very frustrating to me that these studies continue to use Body Mass Index (BMI) as their guide. BMI is basically a height-to-weight ratio type measurement - something that's been known to be next to useless for 50 years! BMI doesn't take into account muscle mass, and thus athletic people (like me) show up as overweight or obese. You can have two men who are 6' tall and weigh 220 lbs - one who is muscular and lean and in great shape and one who is a fat slob, and BMI won't tell any difference between them.

You all can kiss the fattest part of my ass. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327100)

I'm gonna git you sucka!

Re:You all can kiss the fattest part of my ass. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327163)

You all can kiss the fattest part of my ass.

At the same time!

I think it depends (3, Interesting)

SunFan (845761) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327101)


There are different ways of being overweight. You know those guys with the hard round gut? That's bad. You know those soft flabby guys (but not too flabby), well that's not quite as bad (IIRC).

What really bothers me is I'm starting to see teenagers who have the physique of a 45 year old man with the stereotypical beer gut. That's not just bad, it's really really sad. Their parents should know better.

Not again... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327115)

It seems to me Slashdot is constantly posting excuses. We see stories on why it's ok to fail tests (thinks outside the box), have a short attention span (Computer distractions), be overweight (see above story)... usually for reasons that amount to nothing more than a poor excuse.

Look, if you WANT to enjoy food more than the average person and are willing to accept that a bigger mass and some common sense health issues may follow, go for it! Be happy about it. If you WANT to do 15 things at once and check your email 25 times a day, knock yourself out.

But man... I give it 3 days before Slashdot posts a story linking IM's and Emails to Twinkie consumption.

historical accuracy (0, Flamebait)

Matty7Guns (878495) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327118)

Ha Ha. Science is stupid. What will the studies say next year?

Healthy Diet (5, Informative)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327121)

It doesn't really matter if you're skinny, plump, or fat until you actually reach the "obese" limit. But even if you aren't obese, that doesn't mean you're living healthy. Everyone remembers that kid who ate nothing but fries, ho-hos, and mountain dew but still weighed 140 pounds at 6' tall all through high school and college (perhaps some of you were that kid). The damage done to that body is way beyong someone who eats fresh fruits, vegetables, and whole foods but weighs in at 220 pounds and 6' tall. Just watch your diet and do some exercise during the week. If your metabolism is a little slow and you hold onto a little more weight, it's fine.

Oh noes. (4, Insightful)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327132)

Salt very unhealthy!
(Let alone salt-NaCl- is used in neural ransmission and digestion)
Salt's now found healthy.

Butter found to be Unhealthy!
(Yet margarine is found to be more unhealthy due to trans-fats)
Butter is now not as bad as people think.

Eggs cause Cancer (or evil of the day)!
(Yet, eggs have many nutients found healthy to digest, along with good studies)
Eggs arent as bad as everybody thught.

Sugar causes hyperactivity!
(Yet, high glucoce levels promote higher insulin and other somnabulic factors, found to put you to sleep)
Sugar doesnt cause hyperactivity.

Of course, add this to the "X causes Cancer of the Week" and you might as well dismiss these types of (cough)scientists. Hell, for years now, thes etypes of people go after coffee and try to find some sort of demon in it.

The only bad people I see are those reallllly big people at the all-you-can-eat buffets. The best solution for that is have a regulatory door size ;P If you cant fit through the door frame, you dont eat there. Yeah, obscene fat and skinny are both dangerous and I believe, unhealthy. Im in the middle, and I cosider it safe.

Fatsos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327136)

There is nothing sadder than fat people who are proud of their health problems.

Re:Fatsos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327172)


It's their only sense of identity. I'm serious, it's just as bad as those people who have lots of unnecessary allergies or are picky eaters needlessly, etc. People are desperate to feel special in a world where everyone lives in the same house, drives the same SUV, works in a shitty job, eats at the same chain restaurants, listens to the same music, and watches the same lame TV shows.

Getting out of the suburbs was the best thing I ever did.

Overweight people may live longer (4, Informative)

pg133 (307365) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327144)

Overweight people may live longer [bbc.co.uk]
But experts pointed out that the study only looked at how long people lived and not at obesity-related diseases.

Damn. (1)

JustinCredible (699073) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327152)

Sucks for those fat people who aren't geeks.

what!? (1)

h4ckintosh (842712) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327155)

Since when are there committees that study specifically fat geeks and their lifestyle!?

Bad statistics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12327174)

Look at their statistics. You have longer life expectancy for being fat. But that is the average. What they don't look at is how long fat people live after they reach age 60. I suspect the numbers would be signifigantly different.

Let me get this straight... (3, Funny)

Sairret (786685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327195)

They have pork rind buffets? Like... an entire buffet of pork rinds?

Why wasn't I notified?

Here's what I think about all of this (3, Insightful)

melted (227442) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327200)

If I want a big steak, I'm gonna have a big steak. And mashed potatoes. And gravy. And I'm gonna wash it down with some good wine, and maybe even Vodka if I'm in the mood. If I die when I'm 60, so fuckin' be it. At least I will die knowing what a good steak tastes like.

I don't want to live till I'm 100 years old, because I know with social security system the government is putting in place I'll have to live under the fucking bridge if I live too long. And I don't want my kids to spend their hard earned cash on keeping me alive or paying for the nursing home. If I'm ever not able to take care of myself, give me the god damn shotgun and go somewhere for five minutes.

Quality of Life (3, Informative)

everlong (804799) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327201)

Diet and nutrition experts believe that focusing on mortality data obscures the true risk of being overweight, which is the toll it can take on a person's quality of life.

Considering that the leading causes of death [wikipedia.org] such as heart disease, cancer, stroke and diabetes still have such intimate relationships with weight, I would still rather be thin than chronically sick.

Study after study has been confirming the links these diseases have with being overweight. When you consider quality of life arguments against controlling weight (i.e. - denying yourself those delicious delicacies), also consider the huge benefits in reduced medical expenses and better overall well-being you will enjoy.

Come on we all know..... (1)

mangus_angus (873781) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327203)

That being over weight, monitor radiation, bullets, speaking out against Microsoft, and years and years of drinking soda isn't what kills people....It's a proven fact that DEATH kills people, little piece of lead or whatever aint the problem.

Metabolism (1)

SiO2 (124860) | more than 9 years ago | (#12327217)

I think its all about metabolism. I do all of the cooking for my household, because my wife can burn Kool-Aid. I cook with olive oil, real butter, pork fat, duck fat, etc.

I eat whatever I want to and I'm still a relatively thin guy who is staring 35 in the face. I find this surprising considering that I sit in front of computers all day for a living.

I suppose it all comes down to genetics and metabolism. Of course, I could die tomorrow of a heart attack. Inject that mayonnaise directly into my arteries, please.

I eat a Big Mac about every three months. When I eat it I wonder why it's been three months since I had one, but after finishing I know why it's been so long. Have you seen the documentary Super Size Me ?

SiO2
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