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First 500 Terabytes Transmitted via LHCGlobal Grid

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the yeah-but-most-of-it-was-zeroes dept.

Networking 244

neutron_p writes "When the LHC Computer Grid starts operating in 2007, it will be the most data-intensive physics instrument on the planet. Today eight major computing centers successfully completed a challenge to sustain a continuous data flow of 600 megabytes per second on average for 10 days from CERN in Geneva, Switzerland to seven sites in Europe and the US. The total amount of data transmitted during this challenge -- 500 terabytes -- would take about 250 years to download using a typical 512 kilobit per second household broadband connection."

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But will.... (4, Funny)

cyngus (753668) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339782)

...this network be able to handle Longhorn SP1?

Re:But will.... (2)

Janitha (817744) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339851)

Ha, wonder if the RIAA is going bezerk as they always do, similar to the internet2 controvorsy. "ONE MUSIC CD UNCOMPRESSED IN ONE SECOND" "ONE DVD UNCOMPRESSED IN EIGHT SECONDS"

Re:But will.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339968)

Dang! Hot Warez!!! Now I just need to get my hands on a googlebyte ethernet card.

That's all nice, but (5, Funny)

KinkifyTheNation (823618) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339783)

Can it handle a slashdotting?

Re:That's all nice, but (3, Funny)

sconeu (64226) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340096)

And does the RIAA know about this? :-)

<SARCASM>
After all, the only content that goes over networks like this is obviously RIAA pap^Wvcontent, and 600MB/s is a full CD every second!
</SARCASM>

Great! (5, Insightful)

Evanisincontrol (830057) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339788)

Now we don't have to wait around for our porn!

Re:Great! (1)

bryan986 (833912) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339804)

+5 for the one who can watch 600mpbs of porn

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339818)

+5 overrated

Re:Great! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339839)

Easy: multiple HDTV quality streams...

Re:Great! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339874)

Why the fuck would you want to watch porn at HDTV quality?

You want to see all the shit flakes on the cock after a good ass reaming and the acne on the bitch's ass?

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339973)

Actually i wanted to see how you've been born, son.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339995)

It's kind of funny that geeks like you are posting stuff like that.

You do realize that there are female geeks on Slashdot too (no I am not one)?

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340069)

Ok, that about does it for lunch, thanks.

FUCK YOU! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339789)

n/t

500 terabytes! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339797)

That's a whole lotta porn!

Couch potate (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339798)

The max rate for HDTV is 25Mbps/second. 25 megabits = 2.98023224 × 10-06 terabytes [google.com]

So that makes this data rate equal to 46603 hours of maximum data rate HDTV. Hmm as soon as pr0n adopts it then it will be a success just like how the regular internet evolved.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339801)

fp?

GNAA FP (0, Troll)

Steve 'Rim' Jobs (728708) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339805)

read it and weep!

fragging (-1, Offtopic)

CPUGuy (676781) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339811)

Now I can frag at even higher speeds.

Library of Congresses? (3, Funny)

no soup for you (607826) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339814)

//insert perfunctory comment about library of congress here

On a side note, I tried to find out what the real data size of the LOC is, but I could not.

Re:Library of Congresses? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339892)

I tried to find out what the real data size of the LOC is, but I could not.

I have it for you the Size of the Library of Congress (LOC) = 1 LOC. You'll have to google for a conversion table.

Re:Library of Congresses? (2, Funny)

IncarnadineConor (457458) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339909)

Here you are good sir

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:asL7GGh_JsI J: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabyte+library+of+congress +in+terabytes&hl=en&client=firefox-a

Re:Library of Congresses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340044)

It's about 1.272 Libraries of Congress.

Re:Library of Congresses? (1)

MrAnnoyanceToYou (654053) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340063)

Really? The number I got on Wikipedia was 25... 20 terrabytes of data =~ LoC

That's a lot (-1, Redundant)

breon.halling (235909) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339815)

That's a lot of porn.

Re:That's a lot (1)

breon.halling (235909) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339837)

I'm obviously not the only who thinks so. And here I thought I was being terribly clever. Man, I gotta get me some new material!

Re:That's a lot (1)

Evanisincontrol (830057) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339855)

I sympathize with you. I hold the opinion that references to porn will ALWAYS be funny, no matter how "+1 Redundant" they are.

This pales in comparison to... (5, Funny)

prisoner-of-enigma (535770) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339822)

...a box full of DLT, LTO, or AIT tapes. With FedEx at my side, I can have several hundred terabytes sent almost anywhere on the planet in 24 hours.

Of course, the latency for this gargantuan data pipeline is a bit on the high side...

Re:This pales in comparison to... (5, Funny)

dave-tx (684169) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339870)

I'm playing Quake III via FedEx, but the prices are killing me.

Re:This pales in comparison to... (4, Funny)

ricky-road-flats (770129) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339976)

I'm playing Quake III via FedEx, but the prices are killing me.

Me too, but it's the frame rates that are killing me (and getting me killed).

Re:This pales in comparison to... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339983)

I'm playing Quake III via FedEx, but the prices are killing me.

Stop moaning, you have a better frame rate than must of have on Doom3!

Re:This pales in comparison to... (1, Insightful)

Danathar (267989) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339878)

Ummm...you still have to WRITE all those tapes out and then READ them back in again. Factor THAT in and THEN compare

Re:This pales in comparison to... (1)

guitaristx (791223) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339925)

I forget who the company is, but their business sends complete systems with the data, so there's no data transfer downtime other than the FedEx latency.

Re:This pales in comparison to... (1)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340138)

Ok: 500 TB in one day leaves 9 days to copy. You'd have to factor in the price of tape drives, reliability, etc. and factor those against the monthly bill of a 600 MB/s line... I be tapes would win. But realistically, aren't they storing this data on tapes anyway?

Not really. (2, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339928)


More to the point, the time it would take to get the data onto and off the tapes is left out of your argument. The bandwidth of a truck full of tapes is an old argument, but they're just so damn slow at both endpoints, they're not that useful after all :-(

When the data arrives through a network pipe, it's on disk ready to be crunched through whatever program you're running...

8 or 9 years ago, I used to work in the post-production industry in Soho, London. There's a network called 'Sohonet' where lots of the major post-houses had ATM links to each other (hey, ATM was blazingly fast for the time :-) instead of sending runners with bags full of tapes. It was worth the expense of digging the road and installing the network for them, even then with the slower network.

Simon

Re:This pales in comparison to... (3, Interesting)

DigitalCrackPipe (626884) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340051)

Haha, I'd hate to have the job of transferring the data to tape and then shipping it simultaneously to 200 places. Good luck keeping up.

From TFA:
"When the LHC starts operating in 2007, it will be the most data-intensive physics instrument on the planet, producing more than 1500 megabytes of data every second for over a decade."

"Scientists working at over two hundred other computing facilities...will access the data via the Grid."

Re:This pales in comparison to... (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340163)

...a box full of DLT, LTO, or AIT tapes.

No it doesn't. Sure, the part of the transfer than FedEx does for you take under 24 hours, but how long does it take to write the data from the source systems onto the tapes? How long does it take to read the data off the tapes and onto the source systems?

Dark Fibre (5, Interesting)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339824)

At least things can transfer alot faster within US, if we actually lit the dark fibre underground. We planted so many during the .com eras, yet so many are still unlit due to unwillingness to the hire more techies for maintainance.

Well going outside the US is a different story. I really don't know how we connect to Europe etc.

Re:Dark Fibre (2, Interesting)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340103)

Come on. The actual fiber is dirt cheap. So what if there's miles and miles of it underground, you still need to hook your little section into the larger network, buy a whole bunch of hardware, AND "hire more techies for maintainance." If it were economically feasible and lucrative, they'd be at it right now. But they're not, seeing as the demand for ultra-high bandwith pipes lie with (a) pirates who don't want to pay for stuff anyway, and (b) CERN. And wuddya know, CERN already has their own ultra-high bandwidth network.

Re:Dark Fibre (5, Interesting)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340149)

Huh? The cost of laying the fiber pales, as you partly mentioned, when compared to the cost of fiber transceiving equipment. There are tons of 'dark' copper lines as well, that could sustain much greater data throughput than they currently do, but its all about how the data is handled at either end. The same goes for intercontinental runs. You think they are dropping cables one at a time? There is enough bundled up capacity for a long time, but it's 'dark' until it's cost effective to put the gear at either end to use it.

Fir5t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339828)

FREEBSD PROJECT, Before playi8g to

Nothing to see here......... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339829)

This is not the internet you are looking for.

Hey Blizzard (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339831)

Hey Blizzard. Knock knock. Take note. You have no excuse for WoW server problems now.

Gimme that... (0, Redundant)

rmallico (831443) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339832)

What i wanna know is when will it be available directly to my home.... Imagine all the p0rn you could download...

LHC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339833)

Whoa! That's a lot of Large Hardon Collider porn...

rr (2, Interesting)

robpoe (578975) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339836)

I dont know about you .. but my Road Runner is 5mbit/sec .. not 512k. That's only 25 years!

But seriously. What do you transfer then? I mean, how many Libraries of Congress do you need sitting around on disk.

Re:rr (1, Interesting)

wed128 (722152) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339876)

This isn't really for consumer use, it's for scientists that need to transfer data from very sensitive, high-resolution, hi frequency instruments. The kind that haven't been invented yet, but will put out that much data. someday. maybe.

Eh, nevermind...it's a pissing contest.

Re:rr (4, Insightful)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339896)

You'd be surprised at the amounts of data captured during experiments in high-energy physics - and keep in mind that this was 500 TB in a *week*, which is longer than you usually want to wait for your data transfer to complete.

Re:rr (1)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340164)

...which is why they should probably REDUCE the data on-site, instead of sending it around the world on a massive grid. Isn't bandwidth generally more expensive than computing power these days?

Re:rr (2, Interesting)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339987)

your 5mbit downstream pales in comparison to comcasts/ool's 10, or fios's 25. But none of that downstream will help you send files, which is what the 512k was referencing (your rr is probably 316 or somewhere around there)

As for what to send, Physics info works great, as thats what the story is about. For residential use, its all about p2p.
When 10/10 is standard(VERY capped fiber) expect a nice p2p mounted filesystem, where instead of the traditional p2p process (search, trim results, download file, wait, watch/listen to file) it will be navigate filesystem, find what you want (probably sorted by metadata), watch it live, and store a cache of the file so as to not waste bandwidth when watching it again and so you can share it too.
This could be done today on large lans (colleges, lan partys, etc), but noone has developed the tech. Using LUFS would make it pretty easy on linux, though for windows it will still be a pain, and no windows support cuts off a lot of potential files.
Then theres always having the ability to up the density. We're already moving around hdtv divx for tvrips, but why not do full hdtv losslessly compressed if we had the bandwidth? divx is good enough to watch, but if you had the choice of getting rid of the pixelation on motion blur, why wouldnt you?

The real question is... (0, Redundant)

BigZaphod (12942) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339840)

How many Library of Congress' is that?

Re:The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339905)

An inclusive estimate of LOC (including images, recordings, etc) gives it at 3 petabytes and growing. You do the math.

Interestingly, google doesn't seem (yet) to be able to convert terabytes to LOCs.

not good... (-1, Redundant)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339845)

So much pr0n can't be good...

42 (4, Funny)

ARRRLovin (807926) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339846)

And then they shut the thing down.

Re:42 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339948)

Shutdown is only temporary. 42 is meaningless with out $\pm$ stat. and $\pm$ syst. error bars.

Cost (5, Funny)

aerozeppl (849113) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339852)

Thats great and all but none of us will be on anything like that for years. If Time Warner had that here they would charge one child a month. You would need 12 wives just to cover your internet bill.

Re:Cost (4, Funny)

precize (83096) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339961)

I know this makes me a horrible person, but technically, you would only need 9 wives...

Re:Cost (1)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340001)

You could get by with fewer if you use fertility meds.

Though perhaps 12 is the number with redundancy built into the system.

Damn I'm a sick bastard too.

Re:Cost (2, Interesting)

saintp (595331) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340014)

postpartum amenorrhea [google.com]

Re:Cost (1)

Elshar (232380) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340021)


Actually, you would need a few more to compensate for various fertility levels. 12 might do. Then each woman would give birth, and have 3 months to 'regenerate' and get fertile again. Might want to have 13-14 just for extra redundancy :)

Re:Cost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340046)

We'll need an army of super virile men scoring round the clock! I'll do my part. Kif, clear my schedule

At last! (5, Funny)

ArAgost (853804) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339853)

The perfect solution to connect my beowulf clusters!

Here we go again (1)

dsplat (73054) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339861)

The total amount of data transmitted during this challenge -- 500 terabytes -- would take about 250 years to download using a typical 512 kilobit per second household broadband connection."

I guess it's time to upgrade my connection again.

Where is the torrent ? (4, Funny)

4nd3r5 (732488) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339869)

Ive been looking all over for it.

BROADER band? (3, Interesting)

dukeluke (712001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339881)

Interesting to note, the Internet2 just had a string of lawsuits pertaining to students using the service for illegal filesharing.

Will this allow you to fileshare so fast that no one can even track it?? Now that would be interesting!

Seriously though, after reading the article and the miscellaneous links. The numbers were astounding! In comparison to my own broadband, I can get 5 or 6 gigs downloaded in a VERY good day at most. Whereas this network enabled traffic of up to 50 terabytes a DAY! Woot woot! When can I hook up for it?

RIAA (5, Funny)

rdurell (827253) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339887)

Only 10 days? I guess the RIAA sent cease and desist letters.

The REAL question everyone is asking (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339903)

How many Library of congresses does this equal?

Re:The REAL question everyone is asking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340073)

Imagine the law suit..

They just transfered the first seven letters of the title of every song that is ever going to be written. Thats copyright infringment.

Thats billions of $$$$$$

512 kb? (2, Interesting)

Samus (1382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339904)

Is that 512kb typical household broadband speed upload or download? I guess for upload that makes sense since most broad band connections are not symmetrical. Download is a different story. I have about 3.5 on a dsl and that is fairly typical for the cable guys as well.

Re:512 kb? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339972)

Wow! so, with your great connection, it would only take 35 years! I can hold my breath longer than that!

Re:512 kb? (1)

Stween (322349) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340147)

Depends on where you are. In the UK, the standard base package for ADSL is 256up/512down, with varying download bandwidths into the Mbps.

640 MB/sec (5, Funny)

scovetta (632629) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339914)

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." --Bill Gates, 1981

"640MB/sec ought to be enough for anybody." --Me, /., 2005

Re:640 MB/sec (1)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340104)

Just think, in a few years your wrist watch will be able to handle this data flow.

Seeing as how I'm on dial-up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339917)

I'm glad I have GetRight.

woooow.... (0, Redundant)

Virtual Karma (862416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339923)

Imagine where the porn industry could go in 2007

Re:woooow.... (2, Interesting)

Lispy (136512) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340115)

Slightly offtopic, but as of now they are only recording stuff. This is not interactive at all. I am really surprised that there is no company that does real cool Anime pron with interactivity. One would think there would be a million dollar company out there getting it. They started out with softporn beachvolleyball when the Xbox didn't take off, but let's let id-software develop the engine and think about something real neat. I am supposed to live in the century of Cyberpunk and we don't get 3D, interactive pron? Come on. And, NO, Poser makes real creepy lifeless 3D models.

Or am I plain wrong? Links anyone? ;-)

Ha... (3, Funny)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339929)

500 terabytes -- would take about 250 years to download using a typical 512 kilobit per second household broadband connection

Well, I've got a 3 megabit connection! It'd only take...uh...well, 42 years or so...but I'd upgrade to that 1 gigabit connection they have in Asia before it finished...

New unit of time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339932)

I propose a new unit for measuring time: the household-broadband terabyte. I'm 50 household-broadband terabytes old, how about you? Sorry if I seem a little loopy; I only got 1 millihousehold-broadband terrabyte of sleep.

What was Really Transmitted.. (2, Funny)

Striikerr (798526) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339933)

What was not revealed in the article, was that the majority of the data was composed of pictures of Goatse and TubGirl in ultra-high resolution..

WOW! One copy of SimplyMEPIS per second... (1)

Jerry (6400) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339937)

At that rate it would still take a little over 3 years to give every family in the USA one copy of SimplyMEIPS from that single pipe.

Now, with a dozen pipes like that the task could be done in a month....

Re:WOW! One copy of SimplyMEPIS per second... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340022)

Yep, the Internet surely has evolved. One day, we'll be able to piss people off with a shitty Debian-based distribution at a rate far faster than ever before!

Re:WOW! One copy of SimplyMEPIS per second... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340154)

Running with Linux for over 7 years!

Wow, do you stop to go to the bathroom?

The Geeks at Cern... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12339949)

Are now drowning in their own spooge....

Standard terms (4, Funny)

Quixote (154172) | more than 9 years ago | (#12339965)

What is with these non-standard terms like "Terabytes" and "Megabytes"? Please re-state the bandwidth and the amount of data tranferred in LoCs (Libraries of Congress) and KLoCs (Kilo Libraries of Congress) so that the rest of the world can understand the magnitude of this achievement.

What is there in it for Joe Sixpack? (2, Insightful)

Virtual Karma (862416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340000)

I have a broadband connection. My laptop is always online. But what do I do? Check email, check /., check email again, check /., check /. THATS IT! (and ofcourse a bit of surfing here and there). The current bandwidth is kind of sufficient. I wish I had more when I try to download movies or files, but then I can live with it.

Imaging 2007, *AA has made it almost impossible to download any content. So I'm sitting on 600 MB/sec of BW and checking /. and reading emails.

Important (1)

rice_burners_suck (243660) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340016)

It's good that they're speeding this thing up. One day, all homes will have this kind of broadband connection coming in. This will be a necessity because all television programming, telecommunications, and other functions will take place over this network. When you rent a movie, you won't have to wait for a DVD to come in the mail. It will instantly be there and ready for you to watch. When you download pr0n, you won't have to wait for it to get there, losing your current state of passion. This is going to be extremely important for the twenty-first century.

alternatively.. (1)

vladb (654075) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340017)

I was wondering why the need for so much data.. couldn't they possibly process the vast portions of experimental data "locally", within same network for greater bandwidth throughput. And simply send over processed, summarized chucnks of data?

Unless, of course, this is just a case of a scientific exercise to find out how much of 'any' data could be sent across.

That's nice but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340029)

...you probably can't get it without also having your Local and Long Distance bundled through them as well.

512Kb is too slow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340032)

512Kb is only 64k/s. I get closer to 3200Kb (400k/s) on my road runner connection.

Re:512Kb is too slow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340065)

... geez, you're smart

Try it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340066)

500 terabytes -- would take about 250 years to download using a typical 512 kilobit per second household broadband connection."

DSL is rock solid. Lies, all of them. I'll be the first to try moving my 500 terabytes of uhm, research videos, to this here other harddrive.

Problem is... (1, Funny)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340072)

...the cult of Einstein still prevails so all the information will be discarded as inconvenient to their theories. When they get tired of being contradicted by experimental results, they'll download porn and after finally getting some, lose interest in pocket protectors and science freeing up the accellarators for serious usage by junior geeks including impressing girls with "look at the size of my collider" lines, heavy-duty nanowelding, investigating useful things like warp travel, and of course Ghostbusting.

Or not in which case we've got a nifty new thing in the toolbox for science on planet Earth.

Could go either way.

Typical? (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340109)

The total amount of data transmitted during this challenge -- 500 terabytes -- would take about 250 years to download using a typical 512 kilobit per second household broadband connection

Thats why I d/l at 6 Mbits/ second.

600 megabytes per second on average for 10 days (1)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340116)

We all know that scientist have HDTV and the good pron!

Not sure why this is completely notable (5, Insightful)

rnxrx (813533) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340119)

600 MB/sec = 4.8 Gb/sec.

OK... they lit up the equivalent of two OC48's worth of bandwidth. That's half of an OC192 or a 10G Ethernet. There have been long haul OC192's for a number of years now. If I hook up a hardware-based traffic generator and run at 100% over an OC192 for a few weeks will I get a slashdot article, too?

MPAA & RIAA (5, Funny)

killtherat (177924) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340142)

On a related note, CERN is now being sued by the MPAA & RIAA. A spokesmen was commented, saying, "Obviously with 500 terabytes of data being transmitted on the internet, at least some of it had to be copyrighted materials represented by the RIAA and the MPAA. As we know, the internet and communication grids serve no real purpose other then to pirate movies and music."
The lawsuit is expected to destroy CERN and any sort of decent networking research anybody was even thinking about doing for the next 50 year.

my fellow americans (0, Offtopic)

mr al gore (878872) | more than 9 years ago | (#12340152)

I'd like to take a partial credit for this if that's okay.

Dawn of the megasphere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340166)

. . . or was it the datumplane?
any Simmons fans out there?

Screw that! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12340168)

I want to know where I can find a pussy this big [yafro.com] !! Can you imagine what it would feel like to fuck something like that?!! I love big pussy, and this would definitely qualify as big.
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