Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Dutch Pass iPod Tax

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the pay-to-play dept.

Media (Apple) 873

An anonymous reader writes "The Register is reporting that in a few short months a proposal to tax all MP3 players in the Netherlands will become law. The levy taxes 3.28 euros ($4.30 US) for every gigabyte of capacity. This means a 60GB iPod Photo will be hit for an additional 196 euros ($258), all of it going to the record industry's copyright collection agencies. And they call file sharers thieves?"

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

Just a proposal, hopefully... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380734)

Well I'm an American that went to grad school in the Netherlands and in my personal opinion it seems that much is changing in the Netherlands for the worse. There is a lot of pressure being put on their government by the United States, which just adds to the current tensions.

A lot of the "problems" the United States has the Netherlands shares, like immigration (the Turkish, etc.). I absolutely loved the two years I spent there and only hope that they don't buy into the US corporate way of messing stuff up.

This iPod tax seems completely absurd and I hope that this proposal is just that, a proposal and nothing more. Just my two euros...

Re:Just a proposal, hopefully... (5, Informative)

geniusj (140174) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380797)

The US doesn't have a CD-R/MP3 player tax like other countries. This proposal is just absurd.

Re:Just a proposal, hopefully... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380840)

No the US doesn't, but it seems like this is a "we need compensation" type of deal. It would be like saying, hey Poland, we know that more than half of the software you sell is pirated, so now we are going to put a tax on CD-ROM drives. This is nothing more than extortion.

An idea.. (4, Interesting)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380827)

Sell the damn things without drives and have people buy the drives as DRIVES - separately. How asinine this is - especially for a Euro country!

Re:Just a proposal, hopefully... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380835)

The Turkish seem to be shitting on a lot of Western Europe.

They call dutch music pirates theives? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380736)

WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY [ytmnd.com]
k;asjdfiopuipeurf/.miu89yup;uj

258$ "stealing" tax?!? (5, Insightful)

plsavaria (823160) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380737)

And I believed the 15$ tax was heavy in Canada...

I hate to pay a "steal" tax. But if I'd pay 258$ steal tax, I'd "steal"....

Re:258$ "stealing" tax?!? (5, Funny)

PsychicX (866028) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380768)

1) Charge a ridiculous tax on iPods
2) Profit!

Wait a second, something's missing here.

Re:258$ "stealing" tax?!? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380806)

Not really. That's what's called a government.

Taxation without representation? Hmm... Maybe there'll be a Rotterdam iPod party. I'd buy that for a dollar.

Re:258$ "stealing" tax?!? (2, Interesting)

Gentlewhisper (759800) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380773)

Anyway, who is to say they won't turn around and start using this as a precedent?

After all, people use their ISP connections to "steal" their music, buy hard drives to store their "stolen" music, buy CPUs to run media player applications to listen to their "stolen" music.... etc

Where will they draw the line? When will they stop?

Besides, why do they just tax the iPod only? What about other mp3 players? What about cell phones with mp3 capabilities? Heck, what about pocket PCs and other PDAs even?

I think Apple's popularity has came back to bite Apple in their gonads...

Re:258$ "stealing" tax?!? (1)

plsavaria (823160) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380815)

In Canada, the tax is on all mp3 players. Depends of the capacity. As in germany. Though, we have a 15$ top.

But why has all this money go to the corporate major label? (Socan in Canadan, RIAA and so on) Same with CD-R, DVD-R....

Re:258$ "stealing" tax?!? (5, Insightful)

vrai (521708) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380877)

But why has all this money go to the corporate major label?
Because they were the ones who paid the politicians to draft, advocate and pass the law. Don't make the mistake of thinking that only the US suffers from this problem. Any country with a large, highly centralised government (which is pretty much the entire Western World) is going to suffer from the same issue.

The only solutions are to reduce the power of the government, and/or to move these powers to more regional authorities (thus increasing the cost require to influence the entire nation).

Re:258$ "stealing" tax?!? (1)

Adrilla (830520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380821)

It's a tax on ALL mp3 players

Re:258$ "stealing" tax?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380822)

did you even read the summary? where it clearly states mp3 players..

slashdot just has a sexual infatuation with the ipod so any mention of a portable music device automatically means iPod.

Re:258$ "stealing" tax?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380837)

The problem is not as much as Apple's popularity but the willingness of the populance to accept this. No matter how many news postings to sites such as this and all the ensuing comments rationalizing it for or against, it means nothing in the real world. How come nobody is out there asking "Why do the music/movie industries think they deserve X amount of profit growth each year? Why do they think everyone is pirating their goods if they report a loss or downturn in sales?" Do something to change it.

wow. (4, Insightful)

eobanb (823187) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380744)

This means a 60GB iPod Photo will be hit for an additional 196 euros ($258), all of it going to the record industry's copyright collection agencies

I think SOMEONE didn't quite think this through. I don't doubt that consumers will simply revolt, either running across the border to purchase their electronics, or just not buying them, until some idiot politicians receive enough letters and this whole measure is canned.

my experience with slash-dot (-1, Flamebait)

bitmsk (867537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380756)

hey guys,

i'm not sure exactly what i'm doing here. so...bear with me!

i clicked "geeky" on my match.com personals profile, thinking that i'd maybe get hooked up with somebody who was into math or some kind of toy train hobby or something...boy howdy was i in for a shock! i went on 4 dates with guys who all got on match.com because of osdn personals from slash-dot! 4 guys!

anyway, it didn't really work out with any of them, because it seemed like they were all under some kind of mind-control robot or something! i was like "what do you think about office? office 97 is enough for me, but there are some things about xp that are cool too...." the first guy i asked that to exploded on this tyrade about how office was evil, and that it uses html that's invalid...blah blah blah, whatever...i figured "ok, this guys a freak, but i'm not giving up that easily." so guy number two and i are having dinner, and just as a test i bring up office, and he says the *exact* *same* *things* the first guy said! it was like he was reading from a script! i'm thinking to myself "is everybody from slash-dot programmed to say the same thing or what?" i decided to do a bit of investigation.

i actually surfed over to slash-dot and read some of the articles...mostly they were pretty boring, and the comments were just like i expected judging from my previous past experience: scripted!!! just when i was about to completely write the whole thing off, i found a post from some guy who's with anti-slash, some kind of anti-slash-dot website. i mailed him and was all "i so agree with you guys, look at what sheep these slash-dot people are!" he wrote back and made some funny comments (funny and so *true*!...that is soooo the best kind of humor...but i dirgress...) and guess what? this weekend i'm supposed to meet him for dinner :) if you're reading this, i look forward to meeting you in person, john!

anyway, that's my story. ladies: if you're looking for the real cool geeks, check out anti-slash [anti-slash.org] . and fellas, you should check it out too and maybe use to to break out of your mind-control suits!

ok see ya later,

cyndi

Re:my experience with slash-dot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380823)

Foolish mortal, everyone knows that there are no women on slashdot.

Although that's not entirely true. It usually works like "Women on slashdot are: intelligent, beautiful, and remarkably mentally stable. Pick two out of three."

Re:my experience with slash-dot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380915)

sorry to disappoint you buddy but none of the three women on salshdot aren't that interested in guys if you catch my drift.

Re:wow. (5, Funny)

AussieVamp2 (636560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380865)

buy that Apple Store franchise in Belgium NOW!

Re:wow. (5, Insightful)

Kevertje (681938) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380867)

That's exactly what will happen. 258$ will actually make it worth their while to drive to Germany to buy their mp3-players. And since borders are open in Europe, there is nothing the Dutch government can do about that.

If they expect something like this to work, it needs to be worked out on a European scale, not just a national one...

!!! Holy crap! (4, Interesting)

PsychicX (866028) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380747)

196 euro extra?! Does it even cost that much?

Le Grand Workaround (5, Interesting)

Adrilla (830520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380749)

I'd just buy a MP3 player that has low onboard memory, but that takes removable memory. Voila! Less than 5 bucks o' tax, infinite memory.

Re:Le Grand Workaround (1)

The New Andy (873493) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380805)

Voila! Less than 5 bucks o' tax, infinite memory

Not after step 2: removable memory allows infinite memory - which means that such a device has an infinite ability to store pirated material. Clearly, artists need to be paid for your piracy, thus the tax should reflect the infinite memory capabilities of your player.

In fact, since your player has such a high capacity, you might even reach the price break - 1GB for $epsilon.

Re:Le Grand Workaround (1)

Adrilla (830520) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380880)

From what I gather, they're only charging for the mp3 player, not the add on memory. How can they charge you for the Compact Flash or whatever expandable memory that you may or may not buy at anytime in the future. Which brings us back to square one, buying a player with minimal on board and just buying add on memory at a future date. If not this way, then like everyone else says, they're gonna buy it from somewhere else. Nobody is going to be willing to pay almost double the cost to buy a 60gig Ipod.

Re:Le Grand Workaround (2, Informative)

Loonacy (459630) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380807)

Like the Digimind [digmind.com] player. They have a version with no drive at all, then you can buy any laptop drive and insert it, whatever size you want.

Or.... (1)

Razzak (253908) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380874)

buy one off ebay from the states.

Re:Or.... (1)

vrai (521708) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380890)

... or drive accross the border to Germany, Belgium or France and buy one there, the Netherlands is not a big country. All this law will do is harm Dutch retailers.

Will trade iPods for weed (5, Funny)

Rattencremesuppe (784075) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380750)

Apple stores in Germany will probably welcome this law ;-)

story seems dubious (2, Insightful)

muntjac (805565) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380751)

wheres the details? sounds ridiculous and I wager it's not true.

Re:story seems dubious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380780)

yeah i call BS

Re:story seems dubious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380824)

Believe it.

It's time for some serious revolution here.
The Netherlands is just another little shit country that thinks it can run itself.

We are wrong.

Well gee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380752)

Somehow I suspect whatever money the IP robber barons get from this will be cancelled out by the decent number of iPod users who will never, ever, ever, ever pay for a compact disc again.

I know if I lived in the Netherlands [i]I[/i] wouldn't.

Big Deal (3, Insightful)

Hank Chinaski (257573) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380755)

because it takes like 2 and half hours from e.g. Amsterdam to drive to the next big german city, where a lot of people will be more than happy to sell mp3 players to angry dutch customers.

and: people will just buy them by mail order, because there is no customs check inside the EU.

what have they been smoking..? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380758)

Ok, so buy the iPod online or os to avoid this and buy the smoke in holland... fp?

IPot? (1)

Timo_UK (762705) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380830)

Maybe?

Hm (3, Informative)

scapermoya (769847) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380759)

While this seems extravagent (it is), places like The Netherlands and Sweden, etc. have excellent copyright and IP laws. Its widely known that taxes in those countries are very high, but unlike some nations (cough), you see that cash put to work. It would be interesting to see how they handle iPods bought in Germany or France, and brought over.

Government doesn't get the tax (1)

killa62 (828317) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380842)

The recording association there does...

Re:Government doesn't get the tax (1)

scapermoya (769847) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380893)

Not true. The Register gave an vague example of a certain type of levy, but in this case the government would get the kickback. That is what makes it a tax.

Re:Hm (1)

Mindjiver (71) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380870)

"but unlike some nations (cough), you see that cash put to work"

as I swede I just say : HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Re:Hm (2, Funny)

planetoid (719535) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380904)

Don't you mean, "HÄÄHÄÄHÄÄHÄÄHHÄÄHÄÄHÄÄHÄÄHÄÄHÄÄHÄÄ"?

Re:Hm (1)

mbrother (739193) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380876)

If their laws are so "excellent" then why is this tax being proposed?! They must not have any song stealing going on.

It's just bullshit. Don't even try to defend it.

Re:Hm (2, Interesting)

scapermoya (769847) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380911)

Regardless of this apparent fluke, many Northern European countries have much more progressive laws concerning IP and copyrights (and most other things for that matter). This tax is being proposed by the record industry, so the motivations are questionable. Do you think they are trying to preserve the artistic soul of their product by trying to stem illegal downloading, or just trying to turn a buck?

How about an MP3 player with a drive bay? (4, Insightful)

joelparker (586428) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380762)

This is even more reason for an MP3 player to come with a drive bay. You buy it without a drive, then add your own. Makes upgrades a snap, and has no Dutch taxes!

Re:How about an MP3 player with a drive bay? (1)

jmv (93421) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380917)

Well, assuming you can put an unlimited amount of storage in the drive bay, you should have to pay an infinite amount to the music industry. It just sounds fair. After all, you'd be able to steal *billions* of $ worth of music!

When I first read this... (5, Insightful)

meatflower (830472) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380763)

I thought it was a joke. Adding $258 to the cost of a 60gb Ipod? Thats not a tax, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard!
Like the article says, what happens when we get 100gb, or 200gb ipods (it'll happen eventually), then we're talking about not just doubling the cost of an Ipod but tripling it.
Don't they realise this amazingly exorbitant taxation will only lead to illegal importing? And I thought the U.S. Government had lost its way....

Levy *and* copyright infringement (5, Insightful)

born_to_live_forever (228372) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380765)

There's a similar levy on blank media, in my native Denmark.

But, I honestly don't see how they can justify having a levy on media that can be used for assumed copyright infringement, and at the same time seek redress for copyright infringement - isn't the levy supposed to be a sort of "shared" payment for the copyright infringement that occurs?

I mean, they can't have both. Either they have un-levied media, and sue copyright infringers. Or the other way around. Having both is getting paid twice for the same supposed loss.

And that looks like fraud to me.

Re:Levy *and* copyright infringement (5, Informative)

matrem (806375) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380883)

In the Netherlands it is legal to make extra copies of media you own, or to make a copy of a CD or DVD you borrowed from a friend, neigbor, etc. The copyright holders are compensated through a tax, in a rather obscure way. It is illegal to sell copyrighted work, or make copies and give away the copies yourself. All this is explained (in Dutch) by Stichting De Thuiskopie [cedar.nl]

I wouldn't be surprised if the situation were the same in Denmark.

Re:Levy *and* copyright infringement (1)

October_30th (531777) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380891)

The last time I checked, the copyright holders' argument over here was that the levy is there because you have the right (by law) to make a limited number of personal backup copies of records you've bought. It doesn't compensate for any copyright infringements per se - it simply compensates for the "losses" induced when they can't force you to buy a new record for a backup instead.

they really are getting out of hand here. Every business (a store, barbership, taxi,...) must pay a fee if the wish to have a radio on during business hours. It doesn't matter that the radio stations have already paid the fee for music. Also, churches and kindergartens will probably have to begin to pay for singing copyrighted hymns and songs for children as this is deemed as a public performance. Nuts!

Re:Levy *and* copyright infringement (1)

lintux (125434) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380908)

I think the hard disk inside the MP3 player is considered the blank medium here.

Seems wrong on so many levels (2, Insightful)

Antony-Kyre (807195) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380767)

The concept of taxing something to offset the effects of illegal activity. I mean, it hurts those who use it for legit purposes. But I guess this is what happens when the special interest groups and the lobbyists get their way. Perhaps we need a higher rate of legislators per number of persons, which would allow grassroot campaigning.

The result... (1)

fluch (126140) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380769)

The result will be, that nobody will anymore buy a 60GB iPot in the Netherlands but order it from the neighboring countries or just travel there and buy them in person. Heck, for 200 euro I can travel a lot (compared to the size of the Netherlands.)

Re:The result... (5, Insightful)

khellendros1984 (792761) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380800)

mmmmmmmm.....iPot.....

Cheap IPODs for sale (2, Funny)

Bapu (26118) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380770)

It is very kind of the Dutch parliment to create this new business opportunity for the electronics retailers of Germany and Belgium. Let us hope that other EU member states approach this issue with a less corrupt attitude. Meanwhile, I'm going to invest in electronics outlets in Antwerp and Aachen.

Re:Cheap IPODs for sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380789)

I just had the very same idea. I'll invest in a small mp3 electronic store near enschede...(where I live)

Re:Cheap IPODs for sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380795)

You hit the nail on the head with that one.
Either this will be EU-wide or it will be a joke, hopefully the latter.

Ogg Vorbis! (5, Funny)

MoogMan (442253) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380771)

Another good reason to use OGG... *ducks*

Too much? (1)

ragahast (879945) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380772)

Doesn't that seem like too much money? I mean, wont people simply stop buying mp3 players in the Netherlands?

I'm speechless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380775)

Wow that is just beyond stupid.

I just thought of a new site! (1)

The_Rippa (181699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380776)

www.FreeIpodLevyFeeRefunds.com

(patent pending)

Good for Apple Germany & Belgium (0, Redundant)

intmainvoid (109559) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380777)

Um, has the dutch government not noticed the proximity of the rest of Europe to its borders? That much tax could easily fund a trip across the border to purchase an iPod without the tax.

Look for iPod sales to increase in Germany and Belgium, and drop in Holland.

Re:Good for Apple Germany & Belgium (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380854)

Yeah but that way they won't have to deal with lobbying, and dumb lawsuits.

A Good Thing? (1)

CleverNickedName (644160) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380779)

From the article: The idea of all levy based legislation is that some form of copyright collections agency collects tax by imposing a surcharge at the point of sale for any storage devices that could possibly be used to store pirated works.

Does this mean you can "pirate" all you want as you've already paid? So long as the booty passes through an MP3 player first, of course...

Re:A Good Thing? (1)

hruske (791821) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380846)

Does this mean you can "pirate" all you want as you've already paid? So long as the booty passes through an MP3 player first, of course... No, this means copyright owners get even more $$$.

Won't work... (0, Redundant)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380781)

People will simply buy their iPods, etc from outside Holland, either by shopping across a nearby border or ordering one from a company based outside Holland but still within the EU.

Because of EU legislation, neither of these two methods would allow the Dutch authorities to impose any kind of additional taxation on players bought from other EU member states. It's a common market, where goods and services are allowed to flow from any member state to any other member state without any penalty or restrictions.

All this law will do (if it's passed - remember, we're talking about a proposal right now) is destroy the Dutch domestic market for digital music players. When the politicians realise that then they'll come to their senses and this proposal will get slapped down faster than you can download a track from iTMS.

Re:Won't work... (1)

deepsky (11076) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380826)

Yes. For example, in italy there is a ridiculously high tax on recordable media ("to compensate for piracy"). Result: everyone buys blank CDs and DVDs by mail from other EU countries.

Headline should read 'Propose' tax. (5, Insightful)

ABeowulfCluster (854634) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380784)

not 'pass' tax. Hasn't been passed yet.

Is this good news or bad news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380787)

I don't know all that much about the law in the Netherlands; can people currently upload and download music there without fear of being sued?

Not passed yet (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380788)

Fortunately, if you had RTFA, you would have seen that this law is not yet passed. It's only a proposal, and therefore likely to be the starting point of negotiations.

Re:Not passed yet (1)

geniusj (140174) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380851)

Perhaps if the summary accurately reflected the article, then this misconception wouldn't exist. Unfortunately it clearly states otherwise in the summary.

Great move (5, Insightful)

LemonFire (514342) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380791)

This is really great news!

It's always great to see how the recording industry penalizes a system that allows people to legally listen to music.

I'm sure that the record industry's copyright collection agencies will hand the money gathered through this tax to needy musicians.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for musicians being able to make a living, but penalizing a system that encourages people to buy music online is just plain stupid.

iPod Tax (1)

fatman22 (574039) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380792)

So much for iPod sales in the Netherlands. Any European country that levies a punitive tax on a luxury item will drive purchasers to the neighboring countries. Not only will the Netherlands lose the "stealing" tax, they will also lose whatever sales tax they would have collected. Dumb move.

soo...they just killed ipods (1)

^DA (82715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380796)

...wow...

So they just killed most HD based players? Bitches...

quite ridiculous ... (2, Insightful)

hruske (791821) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380809)

... how can people get fooled n-times. First you pay tax when buying DRM protected music, that can't be played on your player (remember the BBC story about britons being frustrated with DRM?), then you pay tax *just in case* the music you store on your player is stolen. I mean WT*!! Isn't it enough to have to pay a very similar tax for all storage devices?

I guess this means... (1)

afroken (721165) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380813)

the iPod Shuffle should be getting pretty popular from now on, huh?

Not that I like this tax, but a few Euros is a lot better than a few hundred, right?

So tax is in effect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380814)

fine by me. I will pay it but that also means that I will no longer purchase songs/tracks at all.

The Netherlands 2006 (3, Funny)

Andreas Schaefer (513034) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380816)

You still can buy great hashish, marijuana, pre-rolled joints and space cookies in every other coffee shop in Amsterdam. And if you ask the right people, they'll point you in the direction of some dark alley where you can get an untaxed ipod. Just don't let the DEA catch you.

Poor Dutchies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380817)

I must say that's a bit overdoing it, such a pricerase will idd just see to it that the MP3-Player sales in Belgium and Germany go up.
Although I dont really think they will pass it, I hope. It would be silly to pay copyrights IF you only use legal MP3's and/or use the iPod as a way to get all your own (legal) cd's on one device.

Sure enough I hope it doesn't spread toward the other European countries.

A few short months (1)

cruachan (113813) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380818)

As opposed to a few long months?

Scariest Part! Maybe $4.3k for a TB HD in your CPU (5, Interesting)

licamell (778753) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380819)

From the article...

The idea of all levy based legislation is that some form of copyright collections agency collects tax by imposing a surcharge at the point of sale for any storage devices that could possibly be used to store pirated works.

Already in Germany there is a levy on PC hard drives, that will soon become larger than the entire PC industry revenue if it is left in place. Within two years, as disk drive sizes move to terabyte class on notebooks, and petabyte levels on home DVRs, the tax will come to far outweigh not just the cost of the drive, but the cost of the device. Under this Netherlands law, if it were extended to the PC, the cost of 1,000 GB would be 3,280 ($4,300) and yet drives of this size will be delivered by 2007.

Okay Will That Be ALL? (1)

formal_entity (778568) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380831)

Ok so if I pay this stupid tax will it be legal to download any kind of mp3 music from anywhere into the player? After all I *have* paid the industry what they wanted now.

what to do if it passes? (1)

mah! (121197) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380841)

If this passes, one can only hope in
  1. boycott
  2. lost next elections for whichever party drafted (& approved such idiotic law
  3. Netherlanders who want to purchase an MP3 player being helped by people outside of their country, gray import etc.
any other measures?

Nothing to see here, move along please (1)

Zoxed (676559) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380844)

> Stichting Thuiskopie foundation

Sounds like an NGO/lobby group: i.e. an organisation nothing to the goverment is suggesting maybe a tax...

(probably funded by the music industry to spread FUD)

That's simple to bypass (1)

lashi (822466) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380847)

Just build the mp3 player without any storage capacity. User will have to buy their own SD card. Hard drive based players like iPod would be disadvantaged though. I hope Apple gets on this case.

I wonder if this tax will be extended to PDA and pocket pc's as well since a lot of people use those for mp3 playing.

Anyways, this just give me another reason to dislike the Dutch. j/k

Headline is wildly inaccurate (5, Informative)

Serious Simon (701084) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380853)

No specific law has been passed, and the levy on MP3 players is just a proposal.

However, similar regulations already exist for blank CD-ROMs, tapes, and photocopiers, because it is assumed that these are (partly) used for the copying of copyrighted material.

Such copying is legally allowed, the levy exists as a compensation for the copyright holders.

I think it is possible that a levy on MP3 players will come into existence but at much lower sums than now proposed.

If You Can't Buy It Locally .. (1)

yrogerg (858571) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380856)

Can anybody say "Cross border shopping?"

Funny sentences that life makes you say (1)

tbjw (760188) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380859)

It's time to buy shares in Luxemburger mp3-player retailers.

Does this apply to all computers? Mobile Phones? (1)

Timo_UK (762705) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380862)

After all, they can be used to play MP3s. And the Ipod Photo is also more than a normal MP3 player. Where do you put the limit between the 2?

Quick Fix (2, Interesting)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380868)

Apple could sell iPods there with removable hard drives. Buy an iPod with 0 memory and then purchase a mini HDD as a separate item. Combine the two and evade the tax.

Yes, I understand that the tax applies to every mp3 player. Everyone could do the same thing.

LK

We've already payed, it seems. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380869)

Now is there a reason to not donwload music if you live in the Netherlands? You've already payed for it, after all. I wouldn't be surprised if they payed an RIAA tax on CD-Rs and blank tapes too.

Why does this apply only to ipods? (1)

killa62 (828317) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380873)

Wouldn't they have to tax computer hard drives too? because they could be used to store and play and also PIRATE mp3s, something ipod's cannot do. So if that works out the way it does, then wouldn't computer hard drives need to be taxed... Based on my calculations, a 200 gig hd would have a tax of 656 ($860), many times over the price of the hard drive itself...

music (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380879)

What if i make a song that nobody listens to, can i claim some of that tax back claiming that its because it has been stolen. i think its an excuse for the industry to make free money and continue making shit music that isnt worth people spending money on, i think its just a vicious circle.

I hardly listen to music any more, and hope it will be the same for eveyone else eventually. Instead of spending money on CDs why not spend money watching a local band at a local pub or wherever.

too early to panic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12380885)

A quick look at the website of the organisation mentioned in the article, 'stichting thuiskopie' shows that while this taxing is under consideration, the actual fee is still under consideration/negotiation. To quote (and translate) 'any reports that a decision has been made on the height of the charges is incorrect' I would like to think that someone involved will be smart enough to see that putting 200 Euros on top of an IPod price is not too smart. The electronics retailers would probably not be too happy, 'cause as said in other posts, there are several other countries close by where we'd be able to get our MP3 players..

Back to the future (1)

v77 (221577) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380887)

That Vynil Industry lobby sure is sneaky, ain't it? BRILLIANT!

Tax on own music? (2, Interesting)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380895)

If my entire use of my audio equipment is to record and playback music that I have written, performed, and recorded, is it fair to ask me to pay this tax?

It's not a hypothetical question. I use my musical gear exclusively for music that I write, perform and record myself.

Apple/iPod... (3, Insightful)

The New Andy (873493) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380900)

Since this isn't an iPod specific law, why is this in the Apple section?

Republicans Elected in Europe? (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380907)

Keep passing taxes like that Republicans will be winning elections in Europe!

FYI: Not a tax yet (1)

[ella] (122929) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380910)

In Dutch Government a tax on mp3-players was proposed. Passing it will take a lot of discussion ;-)

Let me put it like this... (1)

Chuqmystr (126045) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380912)

GAWDDAMN! Despite Emperor Bush and his jack booted thugs, I've just now decided not to defect to the Netherlands. Sheesh, C'mon folks, since when did music become the new gold? What's next, humming taxes and some deviant of the broken face recognition tech we have in the US but that seeks out folks humming catchy tunes? Yeh, that's it. Will I get locked in the elevator at my office building in downtown LA until I pony up for humming that catchy tune I just heard? This is ridiculous, no, RECALCULOUS! And that's a $5 word ;-)

Difference between New York and Amsterdam (5, Funny)

britneys 9th husband (741556) | more than 9 years ago | (#12380916)

New York: Shady character standing in front of the Apple Store selling weed

Amsterdam: Shady character standing in front of the coffee shop selling imported iPods
Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?