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Mac OS X Tiger Released and Analyzed

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the grrrrrrr dept.

OS X 563

bonch writes "Ars Technica has gone under the hood of the Tiger release and offers up detailed impressions on the new OS X update. The review covers everything from interface changes, new kernel updates and programming interfaces, the unification of UNIX system startup services into one service called 'launchd', the return of metadata, to the fact Apple has announced that from 10.4 forward there will be no more API changes. A fascinating read about the technical details behind Tiger and the specific changes that have occurred since Panther's release 18 months ago." Today is the update's official launch day, though some lucky people have had it for a few days already.

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My copy (-1)

PureCreditor (300490) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382649)

waiting for my copy to arrive by 430...i can't wait to try out Spotlight and Dashboard =)

btw first post?

Which Steve are you? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382710)

Which fanboy are you?
  1. Windows

    You wear wraparound sunglasses, even indoors. You wish your mother would let you ride a motorbike. You tell your friends you're pulling in $50,000 a year and $2,000 a month "playing the stock market" but in reality you're only bringing in half that and your dividends from MSFT havn't been good in years. Your non computing friends all turn to you for help; you only charge $30 an hour. Your collegues talk about you behind your back. Your workplace nickname is likely to be "The Asshole". Unlike the Linux fanboys, you actually try to pick up dates in bars but women laugh at you.
  2. Apple

    You think you're so cool you hurt. You have mirrors on every wall in your "loft apartment", which is really a grimy little apartment next to a guy who plays Guns 'n Roses at 3am. All of your furniture is from Ikea. You sometimes think that changing your name to "Steve" would be "pretty cool". When you go to bars you only drink Miller Lite. No body ever asks you for help with their computers because they know you don't know anything but OS X, even if you do tell them you "run Unix" now. Your friends openly laugh at you.
  3. Linspire

    You regularly give $10 bills to homeless guys because you have too much money. Computers baffle you, but you enjoy looking at pictures of naked women. You don't know what Linux is, but you continually bugged the IT guy at work about your computer so he installed Linspire on your machine.
  4. Umbongo

    You shop at GAP. You probably used to use a Mac. When you saw the multiracial image used as a desktop picture and heard that this operating system came from the same country as Nelson Mandela, you knew it was for you. You meet with your friends in fair-trade coffee houses and talk about the eventual overthrow of evil corporations such as Microsoft and Starbucks. Like the Linspire user, you have very little real knowlege when it comes to computers but you would never use your computer to look at pictures of women degrading themselves.
  5. Gentoy

    You've been "into computers" for ohh, one or two years now and fancy yourself as "a bit of a hacker". Wouldn't know C from C++, or even Perl for that matter. Older Gentoy users may be building their homes from matchsticks. You've explained to all your friends that your matchstick house will have an "optimised floorplan". They've tried to tell you that your house violates every known building code and law in your area, but you've ignored them so far because you can't read those complicated regulatory documents.
  6. Linux From Scratch

    Much like the Gentoy user but you'd also be into sadomasochistic sex if you could get it. You're not just building a house from matchsticks, you're planing to grow the trees to make the matchsticks. You've cleared some land but don't know what to do next because you havn't read the books you've got, so you've posted to alt.arborists.newbie asking for help. It's been three days so far and no one has replied. You remain hopeful.

Waiting a little longer (1, Redundant)

mishmash (585101) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382762)

Until I can have it on my G5 Powerbook
How long do I have to wait?

Re:Waiting a little longer (4, Funny)

brainstyle (752879) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382859)

I suspect that may be a long time. Apple seems to be pretty clear on that one - they won't get them out till they're ready. And that'll be a while.

Me, I'm waiting till they upgrade the iMac line. If the new iMacs offer better graphics, I'll be getting one. If not, I'll be getting a PowerMac.

At the start of the year, I didn't want a new computer. Then the mini came out, and I thought I should get one 'cause they're neat. And then I thought I should get an iMac, because I'd have to get all the peripherals since I currently have a PowerBook, and besides, the mini wouldn't be much faster than what I have now. Now, I'm considering a PowerMac.

I hate Apple more than Microsoft. Microsoft's a big evil corporation, but I don't want to buy anything they make because it's all crap. Apple's a big evil corporation, but they make really cool stuff and turn me into a consumer whore. That's really evil.

Re:My copy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382781)

Maybe it will be there at 420 and you can smoke it.

Re:My copy (1)

OwnedByTwoCats (124103) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382814)

My copy is on the hard drive of a new Mac Mini (or, if they ever release it, a Mac Midi: basically, an iMac without a screen) that I can't quite afford yet. Tiger + iLife is almost 40% of the cost of a mini!

My 400 MHz G3 iMac (with 1 GB RAM and 40 GB HD) is still running MacOS 9.2.2. It would barely run Tiger. And Tiger would break my old UMax scanner.

Re:My copy (2, Informative)

neuroklinik (452842) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382886)

Reconsider your decision not to install Tiger on your aging iMac. I've got Panther running on my 400MHz Blue & White G3 (only 320MB of RAM) and it's running great. Perfect for surfing, e-mail, and iTunes jukebox. My expectation (largely confirmed by Siracusa's article) is that Tiger will run even better.

Re:My copy (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382915)

If you just bought the Mac Mini, you may be able to get a free upgrade. Check Apple's website. If that doesn't work, check out the deal in my sig. :-)

Re:My copy (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383000)

Sorry, ignore this. I misread the grandparent as saying that he couldn't afford Tiger. That'll teach me to post before coffee. :-)

OS 10.4 Tiger. It's not good.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382823)

it's G-R-R-R-R-E-A-T!!!

(ducks and runs for cover)

The perfect slashdot article (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382651)

Google Uses BitTorrent to distribute OSX

Re:The perfect slashdot article (4, Funny)

NetNifty (796376) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382695)

Not Google, but someone [] got a message [] from Apple about distributing it on Bittorrent. Oh and replied [] .

[hero] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382769)

thats some funny stuff

Re:The perfect slashdot article (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382790)

That would have been funnier if you'd managed to spell Hans Blix's name right.

Hans Brix sounds like some LEGO mascot.

Re:The perfect slashdot article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382796)

Someone posts links to the same website about Microsoft, it gets modded as Funny, Informative. Someone does the same thing to Apple, the guy gets modded as Troll.

Talk about your double standards. Give me a break.

Re:The perfect slashdot article (1)

LiNKz (257629) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382938)

I found it incredibly funny.

If I could have modded the guy I'd have modded him underrated (+1 mod, unlike funny, which is +1 but non-karma, thus his -1 troll took from his karma even though he had +1 funny).

Great OS, good timing, great features (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382656)

Great OS, good timing, great features. How about letting it run on good cheap hardware Apple?

Re:Great OS, good timing, great features (1, Informative)

Grayden (137336) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382778)

How about letting it run on good cheap hardware Apple?

You mean like the Mac Mini [] ?

Posticles! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382662)

(Except for the 20 second limit in the posting form)

another OSX Tiger article (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382667)

is this the Apple PR site ?, iam looking for news for nerds, you know stuff that matters

Another good review (5, Informative)

archdetector (876357) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382668)

Another in-depth review, focusing more on features and less on the OS's underbelly is over at MacInTouch... []

Re:Another good review (0, Troll)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383007)

There's no screenshots!!! I was kinda hoping to actually get to see that stuff being reviewed... IMO that's a piss poor review...

Fantastic! (5, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382677)

Now that I've seen Tiger, I can't wait until Longhorn is released. Just think of all those juicy features that Microsoft will see and innovate into their latest product!

Re:Fantastic! (1, Flamebait)

bessel (824697) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382741)

Yes, M$ must have been waiting for someone else to release a major OS so they can get ideas for Longhorn. That is the real cause of the Longhorn delay.

Re:Fantastic! (2, Interesting)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382753)

No they won't. They won't incorporate it into Longhorn. In case you did not notice Microsoft is being buried by their abomination of OS failing to accept any more supporting sticks and duct tape and crash-falling onto them. DotNet does not work as advertised (EG: have you seen any commercial apps in it?), Longhorn is bound to be a new WindowsME by all the signals. They may have posted a record quarterly profit, but all in all MSFT does not look like a good long-term investment; they may had been saved 10 years ago by NT team, but currently I'm not sure they have something - anything - solid up their sleeves.

Re:Fantastic! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382805)

And after Longhorn is released, we'll see those same innovations over at GNOME, KDE and the Open Source world.

Ah , I love smashing dumb slashbots' smug superiority complex to pieces. It's so easy and so fun.

Re:Fantastic! (2, Funny)

Taladar (717494) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382956)

I hope the newest "innovative" destruction of perfectly working user interfaces on Linux will be delayed that long but I guess they will come up with something before then.

Re:Fantastic! (2, Funny)

kayak334 (798077) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383022)

perfectly working user interfaces on Linux

*raises eyebrow*


I'm heading over... (5, Funny)

dduardo (592868) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382682)

to tiger direct today to pick up a copy.

Re:I'm heading over... (-1)

kaan (88626) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383020)

I read somewhere on /. that the origin of a Tiger was in Asia, so I thought I would get my copy from China this weekend (it's too far away to go there today)...

will it stick this time? (2, Informative)

Eternally optimistic (822953) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382684)

This is a real release now, not an accidental shipment? I know Apple is ahead of everyone, including themselves, so we best check.

Re:will it stick this time? (1, Funny)

Horrortaxi (803536) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382896)

FedEx delivered mine yesterday. I tried to get him to bring it back today but he refused. I've called Apple about returning my unsupported copy, but they haven't returned my calls. It could take weeks to send it back and get a real copy meanwhile if the FedEx guy had just taken the package back I'd have it today and everything would be fine.

Yeah right.

Yay! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382686)

Teh Appal, Teh Appal, RAH RAH RAH!!!11!!one!!

Grats to the Mac Community (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382688)

I'm jealous.

Things I would like to see:

1) Tiger running on an Intel platform
2) WinXP UI shell running on Linux

It would be nice to have more choice.

Re:Grats to the Mac Community (4, Insightful)

gobbo (567674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382740)

It would be nice to have more choice.

You can have:

  • reliability/stability/security
  • lots of choice
  • bleeding-edge feature set and interface
But you must pick only two.

Re:Grats to the Mac Community (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382794)

You can have all 3, just run Linux!

Re:Grats to the Mac Community (2, Insightful)

ameline (771895) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382829)

Why then do you arguably get somewhere between 0 and 1 of those three when running Windows? (I've switched from Windows to Mac as my primary development machine.)

Re:Grats to the Mac Community (1)

gobbo (567674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382926)

Ha! Touché!

Re:Grats to the Mac Community (1)

bodfa (656636) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383015)

"You can have:

* reliability/stability/security
* lots of choice
* bleeding-edge feature set and interface

But you must pick only two."

Then I pick the first and third option.

Re:Grats to the Mac Community (2, Informative)

pieterh (196118) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382905)

Part of the reason Apple can produce such elegant software is that they work on a well-defined hardware platform. When you say "Intel" you presumably also mean "random BIOS, motherboards, controllers, graphics cards, NICs, etc." Hardware support is not the only challenge that slowing down Longhorn, but it's a large part of the problem.

As for the WinXP UI shell on Linux? Why? It's not particularly great. Now, the Mac OS/X UI on Linux... that would be nice.

Lucky people? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382693)

So they managed to get a deal where they paid ~$99 for a medium sized update? A few minor software updates, a new filesystem, some cool gadgets and a new fancy high tech RSS reader?

Yes extremely lucky indeed.

Re:Lucky people? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382864)

Hmmm... Did you even RTFA?

Siracusa makes some good points, and some of the less talked about features in Tiger (Arbitrarily extensible meta data, Core Image, QT7) are worth double the price of the update alone.

I think it's insulting and offensive when the hard work of Apple's OS team is derided by clueless folks like yourself who haven't even taken the time to familiarize themselves with the situation.

Re:Lucky people? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12383031)

I bought a mac, spent a few grand on a pretty "hot" machine. The thing wouldn't even save simple word processing docs. I ended up selling it to my neighbors kid for $50, he sold it for $150 and bought a 1.5 ghz athlon box with the money, complete with a windows xp install. I'm not too pissed though, its my own fault for falling for that mac fanboy shit.

It's the speed increase, stupid... (5, Interesting)

carbona (119666) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382982)

I take it you haven't actually used Tiger? Unike what we usually get from the generous ladies and gents over in Redmond, Mac OS X updates actually contain new features, and not simply cosmetic touchups and bug fixes that should have been available as a free update.

But the nicest thing about OS X updates is that they continue to improve performance on hardware across the board, including older supported hardware. My G4 1.33GHz is noticeably snappier than it was on Panther.

On the other side, can you even fathom someone uttering the words "Wow, that new version of Windows really makes my P3 fly!"

RSS (2, Interesting)

BobVila (592015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382698)

I think the Safari RSS support is neato. Does have an RSS feed. If so, maybe Slashdot can just automatically aggregate it into the front page from now on. It might save a lot of time.

OT Question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382700)

Has anyone seen the picture that is a spoof of the switch ad. The picture talks about the $129 price and the fact that rather than spending so much on an update, you could buy "mad weed" for that money. I'd love a link to the picture.

What about TigerDirect? (2, Interesting)

Virtual Karma (862416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382724)

Hey... whatever happened to TigerDirect's requested stay order on the release? Did Apple stuff then with enough money? ;)

Re:What about TigerDirect? (1)

archdetector (876357) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382866)

A hearing was set for next week. So much for playing the spoiler.

Re:What about TigerDirect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12383064)

I got about seven people to email them and say that they (and their Mac based businesses) would no longer buy from TigerDirect, and that they would be encouraging everyone they could to do the same.

Complete lies, but most psyops are. ;-)

Yay ars! (5, Insightful)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382732)

I wish more hardware/software sites were as rigorous in their reviews and articles as Ars Technica. It's so much better than the average OS release or Linux distro review from many other sites.

To me, "The installer is cool, look at these spiffy screenshots" and nothing else is not a review. 21 pages of detailed technical and UI examination and discussion - now that's a review.

Re:Yay ars! (1)

Josuah (26407) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383002)

Part of this is because the writers at Ars Technica are so smart. Ph.D.-smart people who do their researchy stuff in the areas they write about. And they know how to write technical papers at the right level for the common gearhead.

If you love their articles, get a paid subscription.

File Types in Spotlight (3, Interesting)

jjv411 (267377) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382734)

Does anyone know the list of file types that Spotlight will be able to index out-of-the-box? OpenOffice maybe?

Re:File Types in Spotlight (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382895)

Tiger ships with these importers

In System/Library/Spotlight/

Bookma rks.mdimporter
iPhoto.mdimport er
vCar d.mdimporter

In /Library/Spotlight/

Micro soft Office.mdimporter
Pages.mdimporter importer

If you install XCode 2.0 (free with OSX 10.4) it contains template project code to create your own metadata importers. The OpenOffice people would need to create an importer and stick it in /Library/Spotlight. It's a fairly trivial task.

Perhaps they'd like to port OpenOffice first though.

Re:File Types in Spotlight (1)

jjv411 (267377) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383056)

OpenOffice for the Mac: []

Grrrrreeeaat! (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382737)

Can it make my dual 1.8 stop crashing? I certainly hope so...

Re:Grrrrreeeaat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382785)

That'll learn ya to buy the generic brand RAM!

Re:Grrrrreeeaat! (5, Informative)

gobbo (567674) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382795)

Can it make my dual 1.8 stop crashing?

If it's your whole machine that's crashing (i.e. kernel panic) then look to bad or under-spec RAM first, not the OS. OS X machines are very particular about RAM.

Re:Grrrrreeeaat! (1)

kitzilla (266382) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383049)

Yup: I entirely agree. I had stability issues with my dual 1.8 G5 (rev. 1) right after purchase. RAM passed all tests, but as soon as I replaced the aftermarket chips, all was well. Zero problems since. Most trouble-free computer I've ever owned.

Re:Grrrrreeeaat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12383051)

OS X machines are very particular about RAM.

Isn't every OS like that?

Re:Grrrrreeeaat! (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383073)

It is the whole machine crashing. I have gotten regular freezes, frozen beachball, and multi-lingual gray screen of death.

I bought the machine used, and as far as I know, it's factory RAM in the system. I was going to try buying some new stuff and replacing what's in there.

Thanks for the info.

Re:Grrrrreeeaat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382885)

Try disk warrior from alsoft.

Re:Grrrrreeeaat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382901)


You don't give any specifics of the crash so the only conclusion that I can come to is that you're a bitter M$ windoze luser who can't come to terms with the fact that Apple, once again, has innovated a completely new product that makes everything M$ has ever made look like a pile of crap.

what metadata ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382743)

What metadata other than what 'file' and 'stat' can give me are they talking about ? And those were already available to anyone who could pop up a shell in MacOSX, i.e. everyone.

Lawsuit? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382751)

So when is this website gonna be sued?

Relased, Analyzed and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382768)

sued [] !

Torrent... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382780)

...available here: []

Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, will it run on a PC? (-1, Redundant)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382791)

How can I get this OS on my PC? I need something as stable, functional, and cool as this, but I don't have the cash to go out and buy a new Apple. Steve, can you make a 10.4.1 version to run on a PC? Please???

You're an idiot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382867)

yeah right

Tiger Has Arrived! (5, Interesting)

ramsesit (754749) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382800)

G'day all,

My copy arrived from TNT 24hours ago. Along with a friend who's copy arrived at the same time, we upgraded his iBook and my PowerBook overnight.

I have two words for you:
1. Spotlight
2. Dashboard

If you don't know what I'm talking about (presuming you all do!)... --> [] and read all about them! Say no more!

Well, I can happily report that my experience has been a happy one! After backing up /Users, /Documents and /Applications/apps (where I put any applications *I* install) - yes, I'm a paranoid bugger - I did a boot->nuke->install of Tiger last night onto my PowerBook G4

All I can say is that Tiger be pretty, Tiger be fast! It was a complete surprise to find that at long last my problems syncing my Sony Ericsson P900 seem to be over, as are my faxing problems. I haven't tried either *fully* yet, first impressions are good, and happiness should prevail.

A couple of interesting things noted last night:

* The install *really* doesn't like it if you don't enter in valid .Mac details (you gotta play!)
* The almost-missed "sending registration details to Apple" message was kind of surprising. My fault for giving my PB a working network connection, but it would have been nice to be asked first before sending off data! Having said that, it's nice not to need loads of installation
keys, etc. And hey - it's probably in the EULA which of course I read in detail before installing (*NOT*)

So, for anyone out there holding out to see what the feedback is like - don't! You'll just kick yourself harder the longer you hold off upgrading!

Re:Tiger Has Arrived! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382953)

You don't have to register it. Just select Quit from the menu.

Your P900 may work but my P910i doesn't sync the calendar properly.

It still doesn't fix my problem with iPhoto 5.02. If you just leave it alone for about 10 minutes then switch back to it, the beachball makes an appearance and never goes away. I had to revert to 5.01. It did it on OSX 10.3.9 as well though so it's not a 10.4 problem.

Re:Tiger Has Arrived! (1)

Josuah (26407) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383021)

Have you tried Konfabulator [] also? It's a non-free alternative to Dashboard, but you might be interested in some of its features over Dashboard.

An insanely thorough review! (4, Insightful)

earthbound kid (859282) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382802)

I spent a couple hours earlier today reading it, and I gotta say, the article is right on about the Finder and metadata. How cool would it be if Finder had a "Keywords" utility palette that let you "tag" files in a Gmail-esque manner? Instead we get to deal with the continued inconsistent behavior of Finder. Their video of the "Smart Folder" constantly jumping around after being opened and closed is hilarious, but sadly accurate. Here's hoping the 10.5 will be the release where Apple digs up the Finder and rebuilds it from scratch in Cocoa. It seems like lately Apple's been really lax in the HIG department. (Mail 2.0 buttons, anyone?) Someone in that department needs to find religion and start cracking the whip on their projects.

Still, Tiger is really, really impressive compared to their competition. While Longhorn continues to look more and more like a cross between Copland and the White Whale, Apple delivered its project on-time and with all the features they promised. It looks like the computing mainstream is finally starting to give Apple some credit for their accomplishments, too. Even the New York Times put out an editorial [] about how cool it is to upgrade to Tiger! It's just interesting to think about how much more it could be.

A truly spacial Finder with real metadata? Incomparable!

Re:An insanely thorough review! (1)

archdetector (876357) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382892)

Seems to me like Apple's implementation of this feature is similar to Longhorn's. I wonder if a truly new file system is planned for the next release, ala BFS and WinFS.

Wifi ? (0)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382804)

Does it now support non apple blessed wifi cards?

And will it still load on an older G3 lombard?

No, i didnt read the article, cant seem to get to it at the moment.

If it doesnt do the above, its not worth buying for me.

Needs at least a Pismo and you need special wifi. (1)

zardie (111478) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382916)

The official requirements are a PowerBook G3 with built-in FireWire, so that means that the Pismo is the lowest-end machine supported by the new OS.

That could possibly mean that there will be a hack to install it on your older hardware - but don't hold your breath.

If I recall correctly, the Lombard came out sometime in 1999? In PC terms, that's the equiv of, say, a P2 400 laptop. That was *top end* in 1999 for mobile systems. XP doesn't run too badly on those, either...

That said, XP doesn't do a lot of things that Tiger, or Panther (supported) does.

Food for thought anyway.

As for your wireless, D-link make an 802.11g NIC in cardbus form which is supported with D-link's drivers. Also, I am told that any Broadcom 802.11b/g NIC will work with the airport extreme drivers - but I suggest borrowing one first.

Tiger Requires a Firewire machine (1)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382980)

Tiger only runs on machines that have built-in firewire. That means the oldest laptop supported is the Pismo [] .

I'm sure the Xpostfacto folks [] are looking into how to get Tiger to run on older machines.

Re:Wifi ? (0)

abb3w (696381) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383038)

And will it still load on an older G3 lombard?

Lombard [] models do not include built in firewire [] , so 10.3 will be as late as you can go.

6PM? (1)

mrbeaton (529364) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382811)

Apple's website says that it is available today at 6PM... seems like kind of an odd time?

Re:6PM? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382911)

Actually it's even.

Re:6PM? (2, Insightful)

enosys (705759) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382924)

I think they chose 6PM so more people would attend the launch. Most stores will be normally open at that time and most people won't be at work. It's better than a midnight launch IMHO.

Panther still being sold with new Apple machines? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382868)

according to Panther is still being shipped with new hardware. When will this change?

10.4 does indeed encrypt swap files (4, Informative)

scrod (136965) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382870)

if you tell it to "Use secure virtual memory."
As evidenced by profiling [] in Shark [] , page faults can trigger decryption. I was initially worried--as files in /var/vm/ appeared to contain a uniform 128-bit pattern, I had thought at first that Apple was simply preventing user-space processes from reading them, but this is fortunately not the limit of 10.4's virtual memory protection.

Go away! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382900)

I'll never get this read before class if you people don't stop hammering the server! Christ, I should have finished reading this last night.

Re:Go away! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12383070)

little boy, you should be in school where most children should be (unless you are a catholic priest)

Wow! Now that's a Review (5, Insightful)

allgood2 (226994) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382923)

My brain nearly imploded when reading this review. I realized after so many years of being treated to 1-3 page reviews that skimmed over everything except the authors ego, I had almost forgotten what an in-depth review could be (I'm ignoring Amit Singh's [] since they're more like white papers).

It was great to read about a lot of backend stuff like metadata handling or core video rather than just here about Spotlight again and again. No mistake, I'm looking forward to spotlight, but I like knowing how things work and or the problems that had to be overcome to get them to work.

Delayed (0, Troll)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382951)

Many of us who preordered will not be getting ours today due to a delay somewhere along the line. I preordered on the 12th within hours of it becoming available and while other people were getting theirs early and people who ordered after me got theirs, i still haven't gotten mine. Apple emailed a lot of customers saying there was a delay and that it should ship "today." I think this is the last time i preorder from Apple, they promise and can't follow through. what a disappointment.

Box review (5, Funny)

KrunZ (247479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382955)

You know it is Apple related software when the review uses an entire page to comment on the look of the cardboard box.

premium PDF? WTF? (-1, Troll)

torpor (458) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382975)

warning, warning!!! the link provided doesn't actually go to any 'article'. it goes to a blurb introducing the article, which is only available to premium subscribers!

whats with this anyway? full suck, yo!

Re:premium PDF? WTF? (2, Informative)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382989)

Click next right above the PDF thing..

Re:premium PDF? WTF? (1)

Caesar (9965) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383010)

No, the entire article is there. See the little "Next" link at the bottom of he page? Click it. It takes you to the next page (amazing, no?). If you do this 20 more times or so, you can read the entire article.

Re:premium PDF? WTF? (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383019)

Spot the poster who failed Reading Comprehension.

Try moving your mouse down from the PDF link about 40 pixels and clicking on that link instead.

Re:premium PDF? WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12383063)


Only subscribers can download the PDF version, however the entire article is available for free in HTML on their web page.

Look for the next page link at the bottom of the first page, then the second page, and so forth.

Preorder from Apple sucks (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382987)

I ordered it the day after it was announced. Mine won't arrive until May 2, according to the FedEx tracking system. They didn't even ship until yesterday. They said it was going to be here by the 29th. I should call Apple and complain.

Spotlight alone worth twice the price (2, Interesting)

Doofus (43075) | more than 9 years ago | (#12382994)

I got my hot little hands on my copy yesterday, and installed last night. Simple, straightforward, no problems with the install. Took about 30 minutes; most of that time was likely indexing, as the actual data transferred from the DVD to my machine was only about 2GB.

Spotlight is astounding. It is amazingly fast, beautiful to watch, easy to use, and wonderfully complete, searching applications, documents (word, pdf, txt, rtf, html, etc, etc), images, music (though I haven't checked *lyrics* yet), mail messages - everything. It's fast. It will change my experience as a user - completely.

I spent so much time playing with spotlight last night that I didn't even open the Dashboard.

I did open Safari, however, and sites (all those I opened) render much more rapidly than in Panther. The RSS feature is nice, but I didn't spend much time with it. Much of the interface responds much more rapidly to user requests, with the singular exception of Expose, as others have noted. I am hopeful that Apple will tweak Expose in an upcoming update.

If you don't own a Mac, visit the nearest Apple retail store and try spotlight. As an engineer, I appreciate the technological achievement, and as a user, I am - to say it again - simply amazed.

Amazon apparently didnt ship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12382995)

Last night my order said Shipping Soon. Its after 7am the next day, the day my package was due to be delivered, and the status still hasnt changed. Bummer. Something must have gone wrong.

Great big whiners (4, Insightful)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383017)

It's an excellent article, and gets at a number of good points. Very worth reading. I'm just through the first quarter.

John Siracusa is a great big whiner. Thankfully, in this article, his Spatial Finder crown of thorns is only employed in one sentence. He also predictably complains about the unified title bar look for aqua Windows. And the new look for

I've been a Mac user from the age of four on. I could move at light speed in System 8's finder, and I'm delighted to be rid of the spatial Finder. I like the unified title bar look, and I like the redesign. Does my anecdote cancel his out? The guy at Ranchero Software seems to like the unified title bar look too... now can Siracusa bite it?

Application Compatibility? (4, Interesting)

xRelisH (647464) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383048)

For those who've already picked up Tiger, how well is application compatibility preserved?

I'm worried that some apps that I have might be broken and may take a while for fixes to arrive. The one I'm worried about the most is Office for Mac being broken ( yeah yeah I know iWork is better but I got this for free from a friend )

Great Alternative for Windows (3, Insightful)

PenguinBoyDave (806137) | more than 9 years ago | (#12383062)

One of the things I really like about MAC OSX is that it offers Windows users an alternative to Windows if they are not interested or if they are afraid for Linux. Readily available software on the shelves and the stability of the BSD kernel. I think it is the best of both worlds. At OSCON in Portland last year I was amazed to see how many people were using Mac's at the show...personal machines. I expected to see many more Linux machines, but I just didn't see that. Maybe someone who is more familiar with it could explain this to me, because while I think it is cool, I just don't know as much about the inner workings of it to be able to say "yes...for an Open Source person the Mac is a good alternative."

Holy sh*t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12383068)

Have you people even read the article?

OS X is f*cking amazing.
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