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Near-Perfect Einstein Ring Discovered

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the i-seeeeee-you dept.

Space 205

Fraser Cain writes "Universe Today is reporting on the discovery of a nearly perfect Einstein Ring; a gravitational lens of a nearby galaxy working as a natural telescope to focus the light from a more distant galaxy. Gravitational lenses have been seen many times before, but never so complete, with a close lensing galaxy and a distant magnified galaxy."

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Anyhoo (-1, Offtopic)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391409)

That should get your porn closeup!

Twisted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391493)

My mind has become twisted during the years spent on the internet. Whenever I see the word "Ring" I instantly think of the goatse.

Surely you realize what a showstopper this is, should I ever want to get married?

Re:Twisted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391671)

Surely you realize what a showstopper this is, should I ever want to get married?
No. The male and female reproductive organs function in a manner blatantly obvious to the casual observer.
The fact that other, novel, arrangements exist, while undeniable, is unspeakable, and beneath manhood.
Focus: wise.
Shun: foolish.
Tolerate and enjoy people; eschew fruitless ideas.

Wow. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391410)

Wow.

Troll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391597)

You're a troll. I'm not.

Get it?

Ahh.. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391415)

.. my preciossssss

ring (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391417)

hurr

Einstien's ring.

hurr hurr :>

ring (-1, Redundant)

f()bz (839819) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391422)

oooh my precious. will you sssssshow me that galaxssssssy? hmmmmm?

Ich bumbs deine Mutter (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391573)

Ich bums deine Mutter tot man... weil du ein Huuuuurensohn bist!

Hmmm..... (4, Insightful)

Punboy (737239) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391431)

See, now they have a really good reason to get up there and maintain Hubble. I mean seriously, what better reason than to focus hubble on that Einstein ring and get a very upclose view of a distant galaxy

Re:Hmmm..... (2, Funny)

Gentlewhisper (759800) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391536)

See, now they have a really good reason to get up there and maintain Hubble. I mean seriously, what better reason than to focus hubble on that Einstein ring and get a very upclose view of a distant galaxy

What if we see people dressed in white and dancing amongst the clouds?

*imagines*

OMG! The righties will eat us alive! I'd say we blow up Hubble right now!

Re:Hmmm..... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391568)

I still say instead of fixing Hubble, we spend the money on a new Hubble. Just like it just doesn't pay to fix a lot of items on Earth, the delivery charges for new parts for satellites are way too high.

New Hubble vs. fixing the old one (3, Interesting)

ACNSlave (750608) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391782)

Oddly enough, this has been part of the discussion on Hubble for quite some time. Apparently there are upgrades to a number of the modules for Hubble that could just as easily be incorporated into a new telescope for a fraction of the cost of another "rescue" mission. Of course that does not solve the issue of needing to maintain the new telescope...

Bruce

http://bruceneufeld.com/ [bruceneufeld.com]

Re:Hmmm..... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391589)

We're going to have more powerful ground based (and therefore maintainable) telescopes very soon. A more important science project to keep alive is the Voyagers. It has taken decades to get them where they are, and the deviation of their trajectories from the predicted trajectories is very valuable to get an idea of the dark matter present in our own solar system.


The information available from tracking them, can only be obtained again after more decades of having launched a probe, and it is therefore less easily replaceable.

Re:Hmmm..... (3, Interesting)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391681)

I was thinking about those the other day. Personally, I have not understood why GWB's henchman are cutting these little ones. I was thinking that they, like hubble, can be replaced by superior sats. In fact, if we finally get the nuclear power going for remote sats, that we can have something past the voyagers in under a decade and with better instruments.
But then I think about how little the voy. program costs us ( less than a couple million / year total ). Considering that our current deficit is out of sight, I seriously doubt that it will launch the replacements for voys as they cost 1 BILLION each back in the 70s. If we used ion engines, laser transmission, nuke engines, etc., these baby are going to cost 5 billion for a single launch. Not going to happen anytime soon. So best to keep the voys going until they are gone.

As to the hubble, well, there is an new appointee coming who does understand the science.

Re:Hmmm..... (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391725)

Personally, I have not understood why GWB's henchman are cutting these little ones.

So they can buy more bombs.

Re:Hmmm..... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391873)

So they can buy more bombs.

Please. Liberation devices.

Re:Hmmm..... (0)

b-baggins (610215) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391879)

GWB's henchman are cutting these little ones.

Yep. GWB sent his goons down to NASA and told the administrators: Now, we don't care that we write you a check each year. You really can't spend it on whatever you want. You have to cut the Voyager program.

Sheesh.

Bright boy (0, Flamebait)

leonbrooks (8043) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391432)

Havaing a look at Einstein's other interests is a worthwhile exercise too.

Re:Bright boy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391456)

its called a smart ass

derrr

How about this ring? (0, Troll)

Ta_Mere (860968) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391442)

I was desperate and horny, and with my best friend Hunter deciding to take the "straight road," I didn't see much hope of getting laid in the near future. Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not dancing far outside of the closet myself. I haven't gotten around to having one of those wrenching "Hi mom, I'm gay" moments yet, and I'm not sure I will, but I am gay.

Hunter's gay too if he'd just lighten up about it, but he's always been more conservative, with his short dark hair and his fast track career. He wants the wife and children in the suburbs. He wants the middle-class American success, and so he's always had more drive.

That's why he's got a business degree and works at some fucking big conglomerate, while I'm spending my Friday night behind the counter of a video store with a boner in my pants that begs to be touched every time I remember Hunter's lean, naked figure under me, his eyes wide as I penetrate him, and his breath short as he approaches climax just from the feel of my cock slamming his prostate. I miss him.

My hand had actually slipped below the counter and squeezed my cock through my baggy jeans when the "bing-bong" warned me that someone had entered the nearly empty video store. I looked up from the magazine I was pretending to read and saw a head of dark hair over the racks starting at "A" in the new release DVDs. I checked the security monitor on that aisle and sharply drew in my breath.

It wasn't Hunter but he was long and lean, clean shaven and shiny. He might as well have been living three hundred miles away though, because I'd seen this guy in the store before with his all-American girlfriend, perky and energetic.

Blue eyes met mine between shelves, a casual glance that searched for more than movies. It set my heart beating and gave my waning hard-on new life. Did he just check me out? I looked to the security monitor and noticed something strange: he was only pretending to look at the movies; in reality his eyes kept drifting to that brown door at the back of the store, the one with the "ADULTS ONLY" sign above.

I held my breath as he turned at the back of the aisle. Did he have the balls to go where he really wanted to go? I watched in the black and white monitor as he looked left and right, checking to see if any other customers were about, then he ducked through that brown door like a thief on the move.

I just about fell off my stool because I moved so quickly to switch the monitor to the "Perverts Room" camera. There he was, alone and looking at the "Anal" shelf. Well that was a good start, but it could mean that all he wanted to do was to take his all-American girlfriend up the ass, but something in that first moment we had made eye contact told me this wasn't why he was cruising the porn. Sure enough, he moved down to the "Bi" racks. OK, now we're getting somewhere. Just a couple of more steps.

The DVD hit the counter, and I just about jumped out of my pants. A customer who should be out jogging rather than movie watching had come up unawares and dropped a DVD for rental. He had two days growth of beard and smelled of sweat and cigarettes. I ran through his card as fast as I could and escorted the guy to the door. He was my second last customer for the night and it was time to lock up--well, fifteen minutes early, actually, but whose counting.

I hurried through the empty store back to my counter and the security monitor. Yeah! Mr. Long and Lean was in the gay porn section! Better yet, his hand held his crotch, and his tongue licked his lips. Oh man, this guy was so gay! Now the big question: could he admit it? The girlfriend I'd seen him with before was hot--enough to get even me interested, so was he like Hunter, living the straight life and denying the churning in his balls?

The guy looked left and right, making sure no one was in the adult section with him, then he unzipped his jeans and reached in, hauling out a nice slim cock. His fingers made a tight "O" and hauled to the base, giving me a grainy view of a fat head before it disappeared on the up stroke. Six inches at least, maybe seven or eight; who could tell with the tails of his denim shirt obscuring my view on the little black and white TV?

I shuddered as my hand found my own cock. I didn't even remember unzipping I was so mesmerized watching this "straight guy" whacking in front of gay porn. That's when my heart sank. This guy was so in the closet that he wasn't even going to rent a gay movie, he was just going to touch himself in front of the DVD covers! Time to do something about this. I debated being blunt: Hi, can I suck your cock? Or maybe try being coy: hey, can you believe they can bend that way?

I got off the stool and was about to tear my eyes from the TV when he did something unexpected: he grabbed a DVD from the shelf and opened it up. A knife came out of his pocket, and before I knew it he'd cut the security tag off the case. He was going to steal the DVD! Why that in the closet, frighten little fag!

The aisles blurred by as I rushed to the brown door, but I stopped in front and took a few deep breaths so I wouldn't look as flustered as I felt. I pushed open the door to the sound of scurrying feet and shuffling clothes.

He stood in front of the Big Boobs rack, his cheeks flushed and his right hand trembling. I took a few casual steps to bring me beside him, staring at the rack as if I too just wanted to see big tits. I let him feel me close for a moment, feel my eyes checking him out--his slender form, a thin bit of black chest hair showing at his collar. Finally, when he was taunt as a guitar string, I spoke.

"The question tonight, sir," I said, "Is whether I call the cops."

He bolted past me, shoving me into the rack and charging out the brown door. I rushed after him but didn't try to get too close. He had a knife after all and was pretty freaked. Besides, I had the keys for the front door; the lock needed keys on both sides.

He'd stopped with his back to the locked door, his eyes wide like a wild animal that's trapped. That made him dangerous so I approached cautiously.

"Let me out of here!" he shouted, his hand straying to the knife pocket but not reaching in. Good! As freaked out as he was, he wasn't stupid enough to threaten violence.

I knew what he was thinking: caught! Caught being gay! The DVD under his shirt was damning evidence of his true sexuality. The minor theft of a DVD didn't worry him, but his parents and girlfriend finding out what kind of DVD he'd stolen had him desperate.

"No one has to find out about this," I said, my hands palms out to try and calm him. "But you have to cooperate. You've been recorded stealing a DVD. I can erase that once we've sorted this mess out, but you're going to have to pay some kind of fine." I know what I had in mind, and it had nothing to do with money, but I wasn't going to just blackmail him. I wanted him to ask for it.

He reached for his wallet, squeezing it out of his hip pocket. "I'm sorry, dude," he said. "I'm not a thief, really, I just got carried away." He pulled out a few bills. "I'll buy it. double, triple what it costs." I could see him counting the bills and then giving up. Not much cash apparently.

"Sir," I said, using my best store manager's voice. "I'm sure we can work out some alternate form of compensation, but I must search you now to ensure that you have no other store merchandise on your person."

He reached under his shirt and pulled the DVD from his pants. His stomach was so flat that the DVD hadn't even added girth to his waist. His jeans were also flat; fear had melted his hard-on. He held out the incriminating DVD, his eyes carefully avoiding the images of naked guys in sultry poses on the front, and worse, the legs-in-the-air with thrusting buttocks shots on the back.

"Just this," he said as I took the DVD. He spread his arms wide. "Go ahead and search me." His eyes were guiless; he still hadn't figured out that he'd been caught by a fellow traveler.

"Store regulations say that it must be a complete search conducted in private. Please come this way." I held out my hand to indicate that he should walk in front of me. I gave him gentle directions on the way. "Up the stairs, sir. Turn left, sir." He had a firm little butt.

We stopped in the stock room above the porn section, a low ceilinged space where I took my breaks and watched porn on a little TV. It wasn't spacious, but there were no windows, and I liked the ruggedness of the cinder block/breaker panel decoration. The metal shelving and low sprinkler system pipes always gave me bondage ideas too.

"Take off your shirt please, sir."

His eyes found mine for the first time since he'd been caught. They were wide and the lashes were long--truly beautiful. He saw that I wasn't kidding and reached up to that first button, undoing it with a swallow. He handed me the denim shirt and stood awkwardly, as if he didn't know what to do with his hands. I did.

"Store regulations require me to secure you while I conduct my investigation. I pulled a set of handcuffs off the shelf that I kept around in case Hunter popped by for a visit. "Please put your hands over your head."

He did so, but he was finally figuring out that I was full of shit. Our little video store had one policy regarding shoplifters: call the police and prosecute the offenders.

"Do...do I need a lawyer or something?"

I clicked the cuffs on one wrist. "Of course, sir, if you prefer I can cease my investigation and we can contact the police. They will allow you to call a lawyer." I paused to let all the ramifications sink in. "I thought you just wanted to keep this between us."

"Yeah, I guess," he whispered. "Anything you say. Just...just don't tell anybody."

He trembled as I pulled his wrist up with the cuffs. I guided his other wrist above the iron sprinkler pipe and clicked on the other side of the cuffs. He was now helpless with his hands restrained high over his head, stretching out his slim torso beautifully. I admired the thin chest hair in the cleft between his pecs; I couldn't grow chest hair to save my life, but I know that was one of the things Hunter loved about me.

I stepped in front of him and looked into those blue eyes. "You understand, sir, that I must do a complete search of your clothes and your person."

He nodded and looked down and then looked quickly at the breaker panel, as if he hoped that he could hide what he'd just seen and must feel. There was a significant bulge in his pants. I had him!

I knelt down in front of him at perfect cocksucking level and opened the top button of his jeans. His stomach was so smooth and beautiful, with a trail of thin hair guiding me from his belly button to his pubic hair. I slowly unzipped his fly, his breath hissing as my finger trailed the zipper to help push his hard-on out of the way. I grabbed the waist of his trousers, bunching in to make sure I had hand-fulls of boxers, and yanked down to his ankles.

His cock sprang free to full attention, over seven inches with a fat head! The cock wasn't as skinny as I had first thought; because the head was so big it made the rest of it look slim by comparison. My anus squeezed in anticipation.

By the time I'd eased each foot up to allow me to slip off his jeans, boxers and socks, he must have known that this was about sex. Why would I need to search his socks? I did need, however, to see him naked and helpless, and now that I had him I could hardly contain myself. I wanted to suck him; I wanted to shove my cock inside him; I wanted to bend over and feel that fat head forcing a path.

Instead I moved a chair around so that I could sit beside the TV facing him. I relaxed and looked him straight in the eye...well, it took a second because his eyes were glued to his own erection, his cheeks flaming with shame. He finally looked up at my eyes, and his were so full of despair that I wanted to get up and smother him with hugs. Our society is so awful to men like him.

I waited until we'd locked eyes for a good five seconds, then I let my eyes wander down his body, over those slim hips, past that nice bush and the beautiful erection, all the way down powerful legs to his bare feet. My pants were still unzipped, and I reached in to noisily adjust, letting my cock poke through and stand proud. I looked back up to his eyes and they were wide as possible.

"I'm not gay!" he said, an edge of panic to his voice.

"I'm sure you're good at fucking your cute little girlfriend if that's what you mean, but I've got exhibit A here. Let's see what you were so anxious to watch."

The DVD popped to scene selection and I picked one of my favorites. Hey, I'm gay and I work in a video store; of course I've seen them all at least twice! The DVD began to play and the voices of bad actors with beautiful bodies echoed off the cinder block.

"Bend over, pledge! It's time for your real initiation."

The cheesy music began. I watched my thief, who couldn't tear his eyes from the TV. If anything he was harder. On the TV a cute guy was bent over a table, his ankles bound to the legs, his hands "tied" to the tops of the far legs. One jock with an enormous prick was standing in front, shoving it down the guy's throat and pulling back so that we could see its glistening length before it buried back into the throat. Another guy, hunky and not unlike my thief in body type, was fucking the ass of the twink "pledge" with increasing speed. The bondage in the movie was just play. Mine was not.

"So if you're not gay," I said, rising to block my thief's view of the TV. "Then I guess you wouldn't find that movie interesting." I pressed my finger into the middle of his chest and held it there.

"I grabbed the wrong one. Please, can I go now?"

"So since you're not gay, then I guess you don't want me to suck your cock." As I spoke I drag my finger down over his belly button and grabbed his hard-on with a firm grip.

He gasped and shuddered. For a second I thought he'd come right then and there in my hand.

"Please," he whispered, his eyes fixed on the sight of his cock in my hand. "Please, I'm sure I'm not gay."

I dropped to my knees and stared at that cock and the shiny bead of precum on the head. "Then you won't like it if I do this!" I opened my mouth and shoved down, gorging myself on his cock, stretching my mouth wide so that I could get it all. I had to fight a gag reflex, had to fight tears the leaked from the corners of my eyes; it took me three mighty shoves before I felt my nose in his pubic hair, smelled the hint of soap from a recent shower.

All the time my thief was lost, shouting, "Oh my God, oh gees, I think I might...on no, I'm going to..."

I pulled off before he could cum because I knew once he shot I'd really have to let him go. He could barely handle this emotionally as it was, and once he'd cum he'd need to go home and cringe in shame. That's when I decided that I had to ease that time for him. He needed to really think about his sexuality. I'd have to be cruel to be kind.

I tried to look him in the eyes again, but his were fixed on his cock, shiny with my saliva. My jeans hit the floor and I kicked out of them. I yanked my shirt over my head and stood naked for a moment before I sat down, one hand stroking myself in time to the music from the TV. His eyes went there, and for a moment he watched the "pledge" take it from both ends, but his gaze dragged in my direction. He watched me stroke myself. He swallowed, looking like a man in the desert who has just discovered a glass of water.

"So here we are," I said, a shudder running through my body. I let go of my cock and placed my hands on the arms of the chair so that he'd have an unobstructed view of my slim figure.

"What are you going to do to me," he asked, his eyes glued to my cock.

"You've committed a property crime," I said. "If you accept me now as your judge and jury, we'll proceed with your trial and punishment right here in this room."

"I guess I don't have any choice." His eyes found mine, and instead of fear they showed anticipation. "You can do anything you want to me and I can't stop you." He rattled the cuffs on the pipe. "And I sure as hell won't report you."

"You'd like me to rape you?"

"No!" His cheeks flamed red. "I mean, you can if you want. I'm not saying I want it. I'm just saying you can do whatever you want to me as long as you promise not to tell anyone about...you know."

His eyes went to the TV. The pledge wasn't tied anymore, but he was in a room full of naked frat boys, all of them taking turns making him suck and fuck when they weren't busy doing each other. The orgy scene was in full swing.

"I'll need a full confession," I said.

"I stole the DVD. I'm sorry."

"That's not the confession I'm looking for." I touched myself, and that sensation made me draw a shuddering breath. I couldn't wait anymore.

"What's your name?" I asked.

"Gavin."

"Gavin, I hearby sentence you to making a full confession, which will be drawn out of you by as many lashes as required." I reached down to my jeans on the floor and yanked out my leather belt, laying it across my naked knees. "I further sentence you to perform every sex act that occurs on this stolen DVD. Do you accept this judgment?"

He licked his lips, his eyes now on the TV where pretty much every sex act I could imagine was going on a once, the scene reaching its "climax." Ropes of cum shot over the pledge's face in slow motion.

"So I'll have to suck your..." Gavin's eyes went to my cock, and I stroked it once just to hold his attention. "OK," he said far too quickly. "I'm your prisoner. Have your way with me." He trembled with excitement.

I stood and stepped close, my face inches from his, and grabbed his cock just to make him shudder. "Oh, Gavin. First you must confess your true sexuality. Beg to suck me."

"Oh, I'm not gay!" he squeaked. "But I'll suck you just cause I have too."

I stepped behind him and swung a mighty shot at those slim buns. He gasped and arch his buttocks away, for a moment yanking against his cuffs.

"Beg to suck me," I said again, caressing the buns with my free hand.

"I'll suck you, of course," he gasped, his eyes closed as he reveled in my touch.

"Beg to suck me."

The snap of my belt across his backside forced another full-body spasm from Gavin.

"I'll suck it! I promise. I'll do anything you ask!"

I gave him ten fast smacks, weaker than the first two, but building until he was screaming, "Please! stop! I'll do anything you want!"

I cupped his buttocks with both hands, massaging in the burning just the way Hunter used to for me. My lips nibbled on Gavin's earlobe, and my cock slide in his crack. Oh, the tip of my cock begged to bust his cherry right now, but I had to be patient. Timing was everything. "Beg to suck me," I whispered, my voice hoarse with desire.

He gasped as I ground against his bum, my hands now holding his hips so that I could mock fuck his crack. "Please, let me suck you," he whispered.

"What do you want to feel?"

"I want to feel your cock in my mouth. I want you to stretch my throat and fuck my mouth. I want to taste your cum." He took a shuddering breath. "Use me!" This he said with a hoarse gasp as my hands enveloped his cock.

"This will be a good first step towards your rehabilitation," I whispered as I stroked him.

I found the keys and undid the cuffs, unable to contain myself any longer. His arms came down with a groan, and I massaged them for a moment as he stood staring at my cock. He reached out and started stroking it, so I leaned in to kiss him, but he turned his head away and let go of me. Damn!

"Get on your knees!" Anger boiled in me. I know he wanted to kiss me, and I know he wants to fuck me, and I my patience ebbed as my desire grew. I needed to do something quick to bring back that patience so that I could continue his enlightenment.

He obediently--eagerly--dropped to his knees. I knelt beside him and roughly pulled his hands behind his back, locking the cuffs on again around a vertical metal shelf support. I usually prefer rope in bondage, and I did have some kicking around, but I was in a hurry.

Once he was secure I place my cock and inch too far from his face. He leaned out with his mouth open, his eyes glued to it, but I wanted just one more moment of tension. I slapped his cheek with my skinny cock head and found it close-shaved and smooth. He stuck his tongue out as I dragged the head across his lips, and this time he succeeded in getting his mouth around the head, prompting a gasp from me, but I yanked it free and slapped his other cheek with it.

"Beg to suck me," I said.

"Please let me suck you." His hands cuffed to the metal shelf support behind his back forced his shoulders to bulge, showing them cut and beautiful, but not artificially worked. He looked up from his helpless position on his knees, and his eyes truly were pleading.

I shoved my cock deep into his mouth, making him gag and forcing me to back off a bit. My cock now had a mind of it's own though, and it wanted him! It shoved deeper as he became accustomed, and for a moment I saw only the ceiling as I gasped and tossed my head back, again shoving deep. He was getting better, although he made me cry out in pain when his molars scrapped my head.

"Sorry," he said when I pulled out.

"Shut up and suck me!" I gasped as I shoved back in. I went all the way in this time, and he pulled his head back with a little choke. I lined his head up with the metal shelf support so that he couldn't pull away again and starting fucking his face, jamming my cock all the way in with repeated thrusts, only giving him space when the whimpers and gurgles neared desperation.

"I gonna cum," I growled without breaking my pace. "And you'd better swallow all of it." I wanted to add a few taunts about how much he'd like it, but I lost the power of speech at that moment. My cock hosed! Pulse after pulse wracking my body. I froze deep in his throat for a moment, and then began thrusting again for all I was worth.

"Swallow it! Swallow it all, you fag! Drink me!"

It took me a couple of more full body spasms to realize that he was swallowing for all he was worth. I looked down and saw that I'd stopped with my cock half in his mouth. Cum leaked down his chin. He lunged forward against his bonds and tried to get me all in his mouth again.

I popped out and knelt down face to face, grabbing his chin with my hand and forcing him to look me in the eyes.

"You've just had my cock shooting my cum in your mouth." I was out of breath and paused. "Now take my tongue." I leaned in, squeezing his chest to my chest as I pushed my tongue into his mouth. I tasted myself through the filter of his saliva. I pinned his hard on and mine between us. Oh, yeah! I was still hard! I'm only 23 after all.

His body held ridged against mine, and his tongue stayed limp. He allowed me to kiss him, but he didn't involve himself in it. God this guy was deep in the closet. He'd just eagerly given me a great blow job but he couldn't admit he was gay.

I stepped back and stretched, letting him worship my body from his knees for a moment. If Hunter were here instead he'd be tying me down, trembling with excitement as he prepared to thoroughly fuck me, and telling me how gorgeous my body was, how perfect and slim. I knew Gavin here loved the sight of me too, but he was far too in the closet to say it aloud.

I bent over him, my cock in his face, and leaned down to unlock the cuffs. He took my cock in his mouth for a moment, proving once again that he loved it. I pulled free and yanked him to his feet, pushing him over to an old stock table. I bent him over it, pressing his face against the wood. "Don't move," I whispered in his ear.

My coil of rope waited under the breaker panel, and I put it to good use. I tied each of his ankles to the legs of the short table, spreading him wide. His hands I tied to the opposite legs, trussing him just like the pledge on the gay DVD.

"Would you like to suck my cock some more?"

When he didn't answer I grabbed the belt and slapped his vulnerable buttocks five or six times.

"Ow! Oh yes, please let me suck your cock, master."

Master? I think I know what fantasies Gavin has, because I never instructed him to call me master.

I shoved in, holding his hair and fucking slowly.

"Beg me to fuck you," I said, bending over so the I could lick his lightly muscled back, my hands reaching down to spread his buttocks. I could just reach the shelf with the liquid KY, and I poured it over his crack while he moaned on my cock. My finger traced his crack until I found that bud, and I shoved that finger into his ass.

His cry of "Oh God" was muffled by my cock but his body proved how much he loved it. His bum pulled away at first as if fighting to escape my finger, but then he thrust his bum back and up, helping me bury my finger to complete depth.

I pulled my cock out and walked behind him, keeping my finger twisting in him, provoking a groan. "Beg me to fuck you," I ordered as I pulled out the finger. I pushed in two fingers this time.

"Oh God," he gasped. "Aren't you already?" He looked back and saw that my hard-on hovered over his left hip as my fingers probed and stretched. He looked back to the breaker panel. "Well you can, of course. I can't stop you from raping me."

I pulled my fingers out. "You have to admit your guilt." I stroked his buttocks with my slick fingers. "You have to admit that you want to be raped." I slapped his buttocks just for fun and bent to put my lips close to his ear. "If you don't admit it, I'll untie you and throw you out of my store. I won't fuck you." I pushed two fingers back into him, enjoying his gasp and butt wiggle as he adjusted. "You'll miss an opportunity to be fucked that'll never come again."

He let his cheek press the table, his eyes blank as he concentrated on the violation of his ass.

"I mean it," I said shoving deep and making him groan. "Beg for it or I'll let you go without the fuck you deserve."

"Please," he whispered. "Oh-h-h! Please rape me, master! I know it's sick and perverted and disgusting but I want you to rape me. I want to be sodomized!" The last was a shout as I gave his ass a good finger fuck.

The condom wrapper hit the floor and I rolled the condom over my cock while he watched, practically licking his lips. This fool was lucky he found me, because his lust was so strong he'd have let any guy fuck him without protection, and that was just too dumb for words.

I got behind him and lined up, my hands caressing his skinny butt, my sheathed cock sliding up and down his lubed crack. I grabbed the KY and squeeze liberal amounts over my hard-on, enjoying the thrill as I rubbed it in.

"Please rape this sick pervert master. Please!"

I shoved my head in, provoking a cry and shutting down his ravings. I held it there a moment, my eyes again locked to the concrete ceiling as I enjoyed the tightness and heat of his virginity. If I hadn't paused I'd have shot right away. I looked back down at his beautiful body, got a good grip on those narrow hips, and shoved deep.

"OH!" he grunted.

"What's sick," I said, folding over his back so that my lips nuzzled between his shoulder blades. "Is that you think it's wrong to love someone and be loved." I shoved hard for punctuation. "What's perverted is that you lie to your girlfriend every time you fuck her, never admitting what really turns you on. She trusts that she knows you!"

"Oh, GOD!" he cried. "You're fucking me!"

"What's disgusting is that you hate yourself so much!" I was stabbing in and out, rising toward orgasm. "Who cares who you want to fuck! We're all gonna grow old and die anyway! Why can't you admit you want to fuck me and have some fun?"

"I want to fuck you," he gasped. "I so want to fuck you."

My cock yanked free so fast it left him gasping and twitching. I untied his hands first and stood him up, pulling off my condom in one fast motion. He groped my hard-on as I ripped open a condom and rolled it onto him.

"Don't cum," I whispered, my forehead pressed to his and our eyes locked on his cock. I was terrified he'd do just that, but his stamina held the day. I lubed him up and untied his legs. I'd no sooner laid back on the ratty couch that the management kept up there for "employee comfort," when he was on me like a hungry vampire from a horror flick.

My calves rode high on his shoulders as he stabbed inexpertly at my anus, missing and sliding around and trying again, just humping wildly while his tongue plunged into my mouth with a hot but awkward kiss. I grabbed his fat head and guided it, then he split me wide.

"Oh, Fuck!" I gasped into his mouth as he rammed deep, but he either didn't hear me or didn't care. He fucked hard and savagely as I clung to his shoulder blades for dear life. It was like being taken by a ravening monster, one I'd accidentally unleashed by flirting with danger.

The sound of his pelvis slapping my butt, the smell of sweat, the urgent grappling of his hands on my shoulders as he sought to hold me down against his hard thrusts. I knew he couldn't last and frantically groped for my cock, squeezing it in an attempt to hold off my orgasm one more second.

He switched from my lips to sucking on my neck, snarling as he gave me a broad hickey. That did it.

"Oh, FUCK!" I screamed as I came. I shot load after load, writhing as I felt my anus squeeze on that thick rod. I thrashed under him, gasping and screaming. Somewhere in the middle of that I heard his cries, and suddenly he held taunt against me, his arms pushing up as if he were doing push-ups; he pressed deep for all he was worth as he came and came, suddenly thrusting for a moment and freezing deep again as he milked it to the last.

Our eyes met as our breathing slowed. He leaned in and kissed me as his cock slid out. He gasped as he came free, and we straightened to sit side by side, our hands on each others knees.

"God," he said, wiping the sweat through his hair. "What am I? I mean, I loved that. I...I love your body, but I really do love Stacey."

"Gavin...dude." I reached over with my free hand and stroked his cheek. "Maybe you just are. You have to be one thing or the other. Maybe you just are."

"OK," he said. Kissing me lightly. "But you won't tell anyone right?"

I was still grinning half an hour later when the phone bleated.

"Way Out DVD," I answered.

Hunter's voice came over the line. "Hi Steve, so...uh...you're working late."

"You don't know the half of it." My knees felt weak and my cock twitched just from the sound of his voice. My God, I'm so in love with that man!

"Listen, I have to come down your way next weekend on business and I was wondering if we could hook up." His voice grew hoarse and conspiratorial. "I'm sorry I've been such a dick. I thought I could make it up to you. You know, like old times." He whispered the last as if his wife might guess what he was talking about.

"I'll look forward to it," I said, practically melting, sitting my aching anus on the stool and squirming. With all these married men wanting to do me secretly on the side, I wondered if I'd ever get around to having sex with a gay man!

Re:How about this ring? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391461)

Go see someone else.

Re:How about this ring? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391484)

You want "who's counting", not "whose" :p I got bored at around that point, so there's probably more but I gave up reading :/

homer says! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391446)

This has the potential to be mans bigget onion ring!

Re:homer says! (0, Offtopic)

planetoid (719535) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391492)

Man's biggest onion ring already was when a clumsy rabbi accidentally threw Milton Berle's foreskin into a deep-fryer after his bris.

Circumcision (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391581)

Goddamn that's a disgusting and physiologically useless tradition.

Re:Circumcision (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391812)

waaaaaay offtopic but circumcised men have less chance of contracting HIV and other sexually trnasmitted diseases.

-SJ53

Re:Circumcision (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391841)

it keeps the cheese off your penis. personally, I'd rather NOT have gunk build up there, but if you want to be a dirty monkey, go for it.

It can't be long now that we discovered the Vorgon (4, Funny)

expro (597113) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391448)

It can't be long now that we noticed the lens of the Vorgon sighting device. Are you sure those are galaxies on the other side, and not the twinkling of a charging energy device of a demolition crew?

Re:It can't be long now that we discovered the Vor (1, Redundant)

longbot (789962) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391482)

You mean Vogons, don't you?

Re:It can't be long now that we discovered the Vor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391839)

Seems the mods don't know the meaning of the word "Redundant".

Vorgon? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391488)

Vorgon? Did you mean Vogon [vogon.com] ? (Or maybe Vorlon [babtech-onthe.net] ?)

Re:It can't be long now that we discovered the Vor (1)

OneDeeTenTee (780300) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391489)

It can't be long now that we noticed the lens of the Vorgon sighting device. Are you sure those are galaxies on the other side, and not the twinkling of a charging energy device of a demolition crew?

What's a Vorgon?

Re:It can't be long now that we discovered the Vor (5, Funny)

Myrmi (730278) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391514)

What's a Vorgon

When you have five apple and you eat all but one, you have Vorgon.

Re:It can't be long now that we discovered the Vor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391785)

It was a Vorgon conclusion that you didn't know what Vorgon meant...

Re:It can't be long now that we discovered the Vor (1, Offtopic)

Alsee (515537) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391603)

The Vogon have an Earth accessible website with a small excerpt from of one of their poems. It's at goatse.cx.

-

Re:It can't be long now that we discovered the Vor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391614)

eye of Thundara, give me sight beyond sight.............

IF we can see them better... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391450)

If we can see that universe better, the opposite is true, they can see us better.

That being said, I want to be the first to welcome our new voyeuristic overlords.

Re:IF we can see them better... (2, Funny)

planetoid (719535) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391483)

Somewhere out there, some alien creature out there has a penis shaped just right that it can use a Toblerone box for a condom. And his alien girlfriend has pyramids for breasts.

Let's hurry up with this intergalactic space exploration already!

IF we can see them better...The Honey Moon-ers. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391507)

"If we can see that universe better, the opposite is true, they can see us better."

Well humans being the rascals they are, will simply moon them.

Re:IF we can see them better... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391527)

Have you ever looked into the wrong side of binoculars? Have you tried looking into an apartment through the door spyhole? Your statement reveals an intelligence similar to that of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal.

Re:IF we can see them better... (2, Informative)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391529)

Come on, insightful? For a fortune cookie slogan?

And no, they cant see us better, because the light from our direction that is visible in the target galaxy is from a time where out sun didnt exist.

Re:IF we can see them better... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391761)

What an idiot.

Re:IF we can see them better... (1)

Ethelbert (867061) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391813)

Regardless of whether or not your if-then is correct, I enjoyed (i.e. got) your "first to welcome" line. And who knows, it could be ants on the other side of the lens.

Hmm. Do ant-eyes work like inverse binoculars?

Thanks for the smile.

Re:IF we can see them better... (1)

zkn (704992) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391894)

So if i'm standing lets say 10km away from you looking trough binoculars would we have a equaly clear view of each other?

another day in paradise? (0, Offtopic)

already_gone (848753) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391491)

or is it ground hog day, again? many of US are obviously not interested in how we appear (which is whoreabull) from the other side of the 'lens', or even from across the oceans.

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What? (0, Troll)

Lipsius (880028) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391515)

Einstein? Who's that? Don't you mean Stephen Hawking?
You know, the guy that discovered black holes...

Re:What? (0, Flamebait)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391535)

Moron.

FYI: Black holes were predicted (in rough sketches) in the 19th century, and the exact formulations were made by Schwarzschild 1917 (iirc) after recieving word of Einsteins publications.

You may have heard Hawking and black holes mentioned to gether, but this is only about hawking radiation (which still hasnt been verified (although it is very likely)).

Re:What? (4, Informative)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391623)

Here's what Hawking himself writes:

The term black hole is of very recent origin. It was coined in 1969 by the American scientist John Wheeler as a graphic
description of an idea that goes back at least two hundred years, to a time when there were two theories about light:
one, which Newton favored, was that it was composed of particles; the other was that it was made of waves.
[...]
John Michell, wrote a paper in 1783 in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London in which he pointed out that a star that was sufficiently massive and compact would have such a strong gravitational field that light could not escape: any light emitted from the surface of the star would be dragged back by the star's gravitational attraction before it could get very far.


Stephen Hawking - A Brief History of Time, Chapter 6: Black Holes.

Re:What? (0)

FhnuZoag (875558) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391645)

1983, surely. In 1783, they didn't even know what light was. In any case, cosmic astrophysics is pretty much based entirely on Einstein's papers on General Relativity. The 'discovery' of the black hole is simply rereading his theories to find new consequences. The black hole concept was found by Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391538)

Hey moron,
Stephen Hawking didn't discover black holes.
Black holes were inferred from Einstein's General Relativity theory by Einstein and Schwarzschild [wikipedia.org]

Hawking didn't start working on black holes until 1967.

Re:What? (1)

planetoid (719535) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391553)

You're right.

Hawking didn't discover black holes.

He invented them.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391642)

And the Brittis Empire funded the construction of black holes to be used as weapons. Alas, the breakdown of the Empire happened before they black holes could be used. Oh well, better luck next time.

-- Dillon Schnetter, Historian Royal

Improbable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391534)

I think the heart of gold is somewhere around here, thats much to improbobalbe that we would find something like this...

Einstein's ring (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391537)

Today in science, experts focus on Einstein's gigantic ring to see what they can find.

Scientists report their need to explore the depth of the dark matter in Einstein's ring sometimes called Einstein's black hole.

"In the interests of space science, we need to plunge into the ring and extract the hidden dark matter" said one scientist from NASA's space laboratory.

"Soon we anticipate manned explorations inside the ring that will explain the enormous amounts of strange gas and dark matter inside. We are very excited about this" concluded NASA officials.

Einstein's genius (2, Interesting)

fallendove (875598) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391551)

With all the miraculous things he did for the world in the realm of science, one wonders what we'd have if he'd devoted his mind to politics, or computers.

Re:Einstein's genius (2, Funny)

Shard013 (530636) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391673)

They had computers in the early 1900's?

Computers did exist in the early 1900's! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391997)

They sure did ... they power supply ran off of coffee, food, and oxygen, and they required at least 8 hours of downtime a day for them to function properly [and to prevent overheating]. The results they produced were displayed on dead tree paste that was flattened and gathered together in groups.

And then mathematicians and physicists would use the results of these computations instead of wasting time computing things like the square root of 3021377 by hand.

What we'd have (1)

Sean Clifford (322444) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391751)

We'd kiss a lot of this high-tech goodbye without Einstein's contributions to math and physics.

Just because Einstein was good at math and physics doesn't mean that he would have been good at politics or some other career field.

Einstein and politics (1)

No Such Agency (136681) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391957)

Just because Einstein was good at math and physics doesn't mean that he would have been good at politics or some other career field.

That's probably why he turned down the presidency of Israel. What he DID recognize was that scientists had a responsibility as citizens to be involved in politics, even if it was at the advisory/cautionary level which he himself chose as a pacifist advocate. Smart guy, that Einstein.

Re:Einstein's genius (5, Insightful)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 8 years ago | (#12392008)

With all the miraculous things he did for the world in the realm of science, one wonders what we'd have if he'd devoted his mind to politics, or computers.

Something a lot less worthwhile?

Blackhole sucking in Slashdot comments (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391554)

Recently a tiny blackhole was discovered near ./ server room. It causes most of astronomically related comments to vanish into another dimention.

As a proof, I show you 34 comments in about 90 minutes. There's simply no other reasonable explanation for this phenomenon, but I'm currently using a galaxy telescope to conduct further investigation.

Re:Blackhole sucking in Slashdot comments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12392054)

Even first posts travelling at the speed of light can not escape this monster!

*ducks* (-1, Offtopic)

rathehun (818491) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391555)

....Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these things!

We could see Natalie Portmans naked breasts magnified a hundred times!

R.

Re:*ducks* (0, Flamebait)

planetoid (719535) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391570)

I'm just hoping it won't reveal an aging, gray-haired trio of Farrah Fawcett, Kirk Douglas, and Harvey Keitel having an utterly boring and dry threesome sex orgy with a jealous robot watching from the corner.

Re:*ducks* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391629)

and they'd still fit on a 8.5"x11" sheet of paper

I can't think of the punch line... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391562)

...But the joke includes Einstein's ring and Uranus.

they are going to rename uranus to stop that joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391683)

instead it will be known as urectum

Re:they are going to rename uranus to stop that jo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391822)

Urectum? That must be an area with lots of dark matter inside.

Planets. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391593)

"Mmmm...planets."

--Galactus.

"Nearby"? (4, Insightful)

theufo (575732) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391657)

It's seven billion lightyears away! The article specifically notes that the great distance makes it even more special.

And because it's so far away, while still in focus, we can look back further than ever before. It'll be interesting to see some theories about the early universe shattered to pieces.

Re:"Nearby"? (1)

MoogMan (442253) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391883)

Yeah, but when the universe is of infinite length, width, depth and time, everything seems nearby.

How hard is it to type one more.... (0, Troll)

UlfGabe (846629) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391717)

Word.

I'm looking at the title and i KNOW einstien did not discover any sort of ring thing....

how about 'Near perfect gravitational Lensing observed"

or

"Gravitational lensing futher supported by exceptional evidence." ..... /. editors...

Re:How hard is it to type one more.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391748)

The official scientific term for gravitational lensing that produces a ring image is an "Einstein ring". The submitter/editors didn't make it up; it's right in the title of the paper [arxiv.org] .

let the war of the worlds begin (5, Funny)

icepick72 (834363) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391723)

with a close lensing galaxy and a distant magnified galaxy.

It's like having our own super-weapon -- we can shine our sun through it and fry their planets.

Re:let the war of the worlds begin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12392073)

Oh, no! Maybe they have suns in their galaxy too! We're DOOOOOOOoooooomed....

Visible? (2, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391742)

FTFA:

According to the paper, the ring inscribes a "C-shaped" circle of 270 degrees in near-complete circumference with an apparent radius of slightly more than 1 3/4 arc seconds - roughly the size of a star's "virtual" image seen at high power through a small amateur telescope.

So would this thing be visible with a small amateur telescope, or is it too dim? Does it even emit in the visible spectrum?

Re:Visible? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391825)

It's not visible to an amateur scope; it's magnitude 22.2, and I don't think the largest amateur scopes can get past 17 or so. That translates to about 100 times too dim to be seen by them. The value I quoted is the R_c band, which is visible (around 650 nm), if I'm reading the paper correctly. You can read all this yourself in the paper [arxiv.org] ; see the bottom of section 1 on page 2, and Figure 2.

7 days? (2, Funny)

dioscaido (541037) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391752)

Crap, now I have to show the picture on the site to someone else, otherwise I'll be visited by Einstein's ghost.

A better ring, and references on lensing (4, Informative)

StupendousMan (69768) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391779)

The summary states incorrectly:

Gravitational lenses have been seen many times before, but never so complete ...

Way back in 1989, radio astronomers found a gravitational lens near the galaxy MG1643+1346 which creates two images, one of which is a nearly complete circular ring. Take a look at this radio image from Langston et al., AJ 97, 1283 (1989):

Click to see radio image of lensed quasar. [rit.edu]

So, this newest system is a pretty good lens, but not the "most complete" one yet found.

By the way, if you want to understand how gravitational lensing works, you can read some lectures I wrote for an introductory astronomy class:

Re:A better ring, and references on lensing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391858)

This newest system is the best known optical (visible light) lens. The only other optical lens known has an arc of 170 degrees, according to their paper. This new lens has an arc of 260 degrees, and is also nearly 60% larger in angular size.

How about Electricity?! (1)

jimijon (608416) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391800)

The article talks about dark matter and energy in the same breath as lensing, computer sifting, etc., I don't know if what they are saying can actually then be correct. Especially in light of the fact that we have no clue about dark matter or energy! Anyway, here is an interesting link about the electric universe which I feel is much more compelling.. http://www.rense.com/general64/glow.htm [rense.com] -jimijon

Re:How about Electricity?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391889)

Yeah, much more compelling -- if you don't know any science. Sorry, there are no "galactic currents" capable of powering a star, and the solar spectrum is exactly that produced by nuclear fusion; electricity doesn't produce anything like that. But hey, if you want to eat up whatever some random crackpot puts on his web page, feel free. I think, however, you would be better served by reading some texts on stellar astrophysics and study the evidence supporting those models.

before inflationary epoch (1)

cinnamon colbert (732724) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391834)

I thought inflation preceeded all star formation, so how can the source be a pre inflationary epoch galaxy ?

Re:before inflationary epoch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12391878)

They're talking about something before the current inflationary epoch (the accelerating expansion due to dark energy), not the very early-universe inflation.

Recursive lensing dependent on our side? 3 Q's (3, Insightful)

mattr (78516) | more than 8 years ago | (#12391964)

I was wondering if there might be a way to improve resolution of image by scanning across the lens periodically as our planet and solar system move in spacetime, similarly to the way you can get higher resolution by composing many frames of video into a single high resolution (or at least high contrast) print.

Well that seems to be relatively obvious and maybe insignificant compared to what can be done just by improving the receiving setup.

So I thought, if we increase our telescope resolution to the point where we can get a very high resolution image of the 11 bn ly galaxy, and find a perfect Einstein ring in that, might it not be then possible to find an even farther (say 20 bn ly galaxy) that might by fabulous luck be lined up with it, and thereby (luck again) piggy back all the way up to the end of visible space?

So question 1) If we had a 1 AU wide telescope and enough Einstein rings, just how far do you think we could really see?

This sounds similar to the idea of pointing a big telescope at the edge of a black hole to view the entire universe (since light can orbit many times before leaving, at least according to a neat story called the Planck Dive). So 2) assuming the black holes or something close enough to them really exist in our galaxy, what could such a large telescope reveal by focusing on the edge of such a black hole, and 3) is there any way possible to use one possibly in conjunction with piggy backed Einstein rings to see light beyond what is the "visible universe" i.e. the point at which expanding space has expanded beyond our light cone.

It would seem that an image that had been captured by a black hole before much expansion had occurred could conceivably be accessible now (if black holes truly can be "read" that way not just in fiction) even though the space being imaged has long expanded far beyond the edge of the visible universe. IANA astronomer but interested in where fact and fiction separate and neat ways to use computer graphic techniques and telescopes. Can anybody experienced answer some of these questions?

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