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Well hello Mr. Fancy Pants (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12400543)

Who are you and why should I care?

Isn't the ars review canon?

Graphing Calculator (-1, Troll)

Paperweight (865007) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400569)

Beat that, Microsoft!

Re:Graphing Calculator (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401027)

Scaryest bit about it is ,they cant or havnt yet ;)(note that the graphing calculator is one of the decorative bits of OS improvments) and still

Re:Graphing Calculator (1)

figleaf (672550) | more than 8 years ago | (#12402443)

A better one is in Encarta Student.

Now beat that Paperweight!

Re:Graphing Calculator (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12404199)

A better one is in Encarta Student.

+1, Funny!

Unless you were serious. Then there needs to be a "-1, Ignorant" mod category, just for you.

This just in! (4, Funny)

flawedgeek (833708) | more than 8 years ago | (#12402565)

Microsoft just announced that they are integrating a graphing calculator into Longhorn, along with several other "new" features, including a widget generator and a task switcher code-named XPose.

Shameless copying, indeed.

Re:Graphing Calculator (2, Informative)

Van Halen (31671) | more than 8 years ago | (#12404764)

Even better: Programmer view in Calculator.app. I always hated having to switch to Windows just to convert between binary and decimal. Now I don't have to. Tiger's new Calculator not only does that conversion, but it has tons of other useful features for programmers, like AND, OR, NOR, XOR, <<, >>, Byte Flip, Word Flip, ASCII, Unicode, RoL, RoR, etc. Very nice. The bad thing is that I got my first Tiger kernel panic in about 3 hours of use while originally typing up this reply. Bleh. Maybe those reports of continuing instability in late builds were not so far fetched? The nice thing about it was that after restarting and logging in, there was a dialog asking if I wanted to report the incident to Apple. Good deal - hopefully my data was useful!

Not very in depth.. (4, Informative)

aikon29 (563393) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400577)

Maybe it's just me, but the article didn't seem to b e too in depth. If you're looking for any real information, look no further than the Ars review.

Re:Not very in depth.. (4, Insightful)

Reaperducer (871695) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400685)

the article didn't seem to b e too in depth.

Agreed. Here's how he sums up Mail 2.0:

"It does not appear much has changed in it since the previous version except for Smart Folders, Spotlight Search, and a bit of a slicker interface."

Not true to anyone who's pokes around even a little in Mail. I looked through the preferences for a few minutes this morning, and there's lots of new stuff.
I think what we have here is the owner of a new web site trying to rush out a review while Tiger is still hot in order to get a headline and drive traffic to his young web site.

Re:Not very in depth.. (1)

Swedentom (670978) | more than 8 years ago | (#12405187)

Absolutely. And the storage system in Mail has changed a lot; meta-data is stored in an SQLite database, and MIME data in files. Before, metdata was stored in table_of_contents (a proprietary format) and the contents in boring mbox files.

it's tuesday! Apple is.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12418846)

updating the imac!

apparently [freeriding.nl]

NEWS FLASH! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12402745)

News Flash!

Yet another nobody who bought the newest version of OS X has jotted down his opinions on the new features and published them on a World Wide Web which is already brimming over with thousands of nobodies expressing thousands of reactions on thousands of web sites and blogs about the very same topic.

No word yet on why his opinion is any more worth scrutiny than any other.

More on this shocking news as the story develops...

Re:NEWS FLASH! (1)

StingRay02 (640085) | more than 8 years ago | (#12404683)

He didn't buy it. Or if he did, he didn't bother to delete the pirated copy on his hard drive. Check out screenshot 2 in the article.

Re:NEWS FLASH! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12406019)

LOL.

It would serve this jerk right if the hammer were to fall on him for this. Too bad Apple are not the license nazis that certain other companies *cough*Microsoft*cough* have been known to be.

Obligatory Kottke Troll (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 8 years ago | (#12422356)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Tiger fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of Tiger on a dual 2.5 Ghz G5 with 2.5 GB of RAM for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Performa 600 running OS 8.5, which by all standards should be a lot slower than the dual G5, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Safari will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even TextWrangler is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on Tiger, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen Spotlight run faster than Sherlock, despite Tiger's modern kernel. My Fat Mac with 512K of ram runs faster than this dual G5 machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that Tiger is a superior OS.

Tiger addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Tiger over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

(For those of you who are new here, please see the original [kottke.org] before you get your panties in a wad.)

Looks nicer than I expected (2, Insightful)

demondawn (840015) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400582)

Especially Grapher. One of the most annoying limitations of the previous graphing calculator was the inability to graph multiple functions at the same time. I was holding off on Tiger, but I may buy it just for that.

Re:Looks nicer than I expected (4, Funny)

Randy Wang (700248) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401060)

Wow. A $129 calculator.

Heh, I suppose I can't talk. I'm buying it for the RSS Screensaver.

Re:Looks nicer than I expected (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12401295)

Heh, I suppose I can't talk. I'm buying it for the RSS Screensaver.

The RSS screen saver that, with the included (/Developer/Applications/Graphics Tools/) Quartz Composer, you can recreate and modify yourself. It's definitely woth playing with.

Re:Looks nicer than I expected (2, Informative)

demondawn (840015) | more than 8 years ago | (#12405033)

PacificT's graphing calculator (the full version of the old one you got with the Mac OS) is $100. $30 extra for all the OTHER great features you get with Tiger seems well worth it to me.

Re:Looks nicer than I expected (1)

Randy Wang (700248) | more than 8 years ago | (#12405114)

Well, even with $100 for the calculator, I suppose the real irony is that I, personally, will be paying $30 for a screensaver my 500Mhz iMac G3 won't even be able to run.

Maybe time for an upgrade. :-(

Re:Looks nicer than I expected (1)

BeerCat (685972) | more than 8 years ago | (#12405157)

You might also want to dig out your QuickTime 6 player (even with QT7). On my 450Mhz iMac G3, I found that playback was dropping too many frames if the movie was too big (player 7), and yet would play fine with player 6. (I used the 2004 update to the 1984 Apple ad - 480 x 360 pixels)

On the other hand, there were some movie trailers that did seem "crisper" in QT7. Having read the Ars article, which explains the differences under the hood, it is probably not just my imagination.

Re:Looks nicer than I expected (1)

Warhaven (718215) | more than 8 years ago | (#12424775)

I paid $40.00 for my copy:

$199.89 after tax and 10% discount (purchased during Tiger Rollout) for Tiger family pack, which is 5 copies of Tiger.

About $40.00 a seat for Tiger. You can't get a better (and legal) deal than that.

Grapher was Curvus Pro before (3, Informative)

Herve5 (879674) | more than 8 years ago | (#12405719)

There was indeed a multiple-curve grapher before Grapher: its name was Curvus Pro (last version 1.3.2); its developper sold it to Apple by end 2004, ...to become Grapher.

I think I mentioned this here at the time, but presumably as a rank-epsilon anonymous coward ;-)

Curvus was already excellent at the time (I am a registered user), and it seems Apple has added some honest improvements, at least a couple of extra buttons that are really useful in the GUI and other features that I didn't try in detail yet (for instance, Curvus handled copying -to export- in a variety of formats, of which vectorial pdf, but this had the effect of turning it uncompatible with old apple SW like Appleworks, maybe Grapher solves this)

Re:Looks nicer than I expected (2, Informative)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#12416103)

The old original "Graphing Calculator" which started life back in OS9 (or was it 8? I forget) offered multiple-curve graphing as an upgrade to the paid version, as opposed to the freebie that came with the OS which would only do one function at a time.

I went to their website a few months ago and they have a Carbonized version -- looks pretty much the same as it always did. I didn't buy the commercial one, just played around with the free one. But it still exists if you're in the market.

Re:Looks nicer than I expected (1)

nvalvo (878102) | more than 8 years ago | (#12425766)

Dawg, it was 7.

And there's a story there. The guy who developed it got laid off, in the middle, but no one bothered to take away his badge. He kept working there, and all sorts of people conspired to help him... He got it on the gold master, and everything.

http://www.pacifict.com/Story/

Re:Looks nicer than I expected (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#12427548)

Thanks for the info. I heard that story indirectly a while back ... pretty good story, too. I admire his dedication. Favorite line:


At 1:00 a.m., we trekked to an office that had a PowerPC prototype. We looked at each other, took a deep breath, and launched the application. The monitor burst into flames. ... The software hadn't caused the fire; the monitor had just chosen that moment to malfunction.


Man, that was 1994? Makes me feel old.

Not detailed (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400645)

apart from a couple of bugs mentioned, that 'review' was just the usual product descriptions.

here's a few things I've noticed. even with these minor issues, OS X is the most perfect thing associated with computers that I've ever known.

1. iTunes widget playlist support very poor
2. list of dashboard widgets only updated when you change page then change back
3. I can't give my bluetooth keyboard/mouse names as long as under Panther
4. when I use spotlight to search for 'dashboard' it lists a PDF that doesn't contain the word dashboard. not sure what's going on there.

Re:Not detailed (1)

TomSawyer (100674) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400903)

4. when I use spotlight to search for 'dashboard' it lists a PDF that doesn't contain the word dashboard. not sure what's going on there.

Spotlight doesn't just look at file names. Spotlight can search through meta data and content even if in pdf format. Open the file, you should find "dashboard" in it.

Re:Not detailed (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401477)

when I open the file it says no occurances of dashboard whereas it usually highlights and links the word. I can't imagine why it'd be in metadata.

If by detailed... (4, Insightful)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400724)

If by detailed, you mean "fanboy", then yes, you are quite correct.

5. New interface sounds. Now when you drop something into a folder you hear a cool new sound! Ding!

I can not think of any reason not to buy Tiger for the $129 it costs. You should just make sure that all the Mac OS X applications you rely on are Tiger compatible.

There's nothing at ALL wrong with it? Nothing he would improve? No reason at all not to buy?

Man. I really wish we could get critical reviews.

Re:If by detailed... (5, Informative)

revscat (35618) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401065)

Man. I really wish we could get critical reviews.

Try this one [arstechnica.com] from ars technica, if you haven't already. It's fairly detailed, and not as amateurish, nor is it worshipful.

Meaty goodness.

Re:If by detailed... (4, Informative)

mikedaisey (413058) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401580)


There's no review you need for a new OS X release except for John Siracusa's work--I don't know how this joke of a review got recommended on the front page instead. There should have just been another article on Siracusa's review, even if it was a dupe--it's that good.

Re:If by detailed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12402556)

John Siracusa gives good review, but he left out a lot of things in his review too. For example, there's no discussion I can find of new Cocoa text view features (most prominently seen in TextEdit), like support for Lists and Tables, etc.

Nothing wrong with that, of course, but there's room for other reviews. The one for this article, however, sucked.

Re:If by detailed... (5, Informative)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 8 years ago | (#12402578)

In addition to the Ars review (already posted in this thread and elsewhere), I would recommend the feature list at Daring Fireball [daringfireball.net]. They're collaborating a list of the small details that have been changed, improved or screwed up.

It's not all completely positive, either. This is my favorite:
If you turn on the Finder's "Show all file extensions" preference, this now includes the ".app" extension on application bundles. [...] can't stand seeing these insipid ".app" extensions everywhere, but I don't want to turn off the "Show all file extensions" preferences because I do want to see the rest of them. What I want is the old behavior, "Show all file extensions, except for the insipid '.app' ones that completely booger up the names of every single application".

mostly visual (0, Troll)

cahiha (873942) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400771)

As usual, Apple did a stellar job on the visual appearance of everything and on marketing these features.

Functionally, however, there is little there that is new. Desktop search, applets, RSS, and all that have been available on Windows and Linux for much longer than Tiger.

Internet Explorer reads rss? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12400797)

Since when?

Oh, and Spotlight isn't a standard desktop search.

Re:Internet Explorer reads rss? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12401339)

Internet Explorer reads rss? Since when?

Firefox does, as do dozens of other applications on Windows.

Oh, and Spotlight isn't a standard desktop search.

Neither are the desktop searches available for Windows or Linux; in fact, some of them are considerably better than Spotlight.

Re:mostly visual (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12401052)

Your not fammilair with the underpinnings of OS X are you . Thats ok Apple does a great job of seperating the core from the fluff on top.
Its Sentiment in compliment that normal users don't see beyond the GUI .

Re:mostly visual (-1, Flamebait)

cahiha (873942) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401490)

Your not fammilair with the underpinnings of OS X are you.

Actually, I am reasonably familiar with them, I'm just not very impressed with them.

Thats ok Apple does a great job of seperating the core from the fluff on top.

Well, one thing is for certain: your statement is pure fluff.

I was hoping for a better review. (3, Insightful)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400854)

It's amazing, considering all the great features in Apple Core Somethingorother, that he could not have used the built-in spellchecker to proofread his article.

One or two spelling errors is not a big deal, but I proofread my Slashdot posts more carefully than his article was.

One thing he doesn't touch on that I've seen in other sites is that HTML files are not indexed using Spotlight. This was a rude shock to me since most of my documents are written in HTML. (I don't have Tiger yet so that comment is not yet based on experience, but the warning seemed pretty definitive).

I think Tiger looks pretty cool and I'm looking forward to receiving my copy. But this review is not a credible information source.

D

Re:I was hoping for a better review. (3, Informative)

adam mcmaster (697132) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401145)

HTML files are indexed by spotlight, I'm not sure where you could have heard otherwise (just searching for "html" finds several thousand HTML files on my iBook).

Re:I was hoping for a better review. (1)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 8 years ago | (#12402008)

Thanks for letting me know. I based that on an article that I believe was on O'Reilly about the top 10 good things and bottom 10 disappointments in Tiger, but now I can't find it :-(.

I'm a little surprised they would get this wrong, but it was surprising that they wouldn't have accounted for HTML files. I apologize for spreading inaccurate information.

D

Re:I was hoping for a better review. (1)

neverkevin (601884) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401880)

HTML files and their content are index, what isn't indexed it you Safari history and Safari cache. If I do a spotlight search for "Personal Web Sharing" the index.html file in ~/Sites is the top hit.

MODS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12406584)

Since the HTML comment is wrong in the parent, and the rest is fluff, why is this +5 Insightful.

Quartz Composer? (4, Interesting)

torpor (458) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400914)

Anyone figured out anything interesting to do with Quartz Composer yet? This seems, to me, to be one of the more interesting new bundled-apps in the OSX package .. really looking forward to seeing what can be done with this app...

Re:Quartz Composer? (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401089)

Ive um , looked at it and drooled about all the posibilitys . .. god im lazy .
Ive been busy playing around with automater to see how much of a replacment it can be for my perl and shell scripting.. so far im fairly impresed with it .It can't replace scripting for me but it can replace a few of the smaller scripting tasks i have .. i digress .
I too would love to hear of any Quartz composer posibilitys as i really look forward to trying a few things with it (too much to play with , too little time).

Re:Quartz Composer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12417575)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a G5 with 2GB of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Firefox will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 2 GHZ machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re:Quartz Composer? (1)

rogerbo (74443) | more than 8 years ago | (#12406937)

I'm a VJ and I've been waiting for Quartz Composer for a long time (I used Pixelshox which is the predecessor www.pixelshox.com).

I currently use a custom patch made in Pixelshox when I'm doing live visuals and I'll be converting my patch to Quartz Composer over time and maybe even adding some "real code" to do a proper interface for it.

My patch lets me play two quicktimes, at a time triggering them from banks, and mix effects over the top controlled by midi.

Unfortunately while Quartz Composer has a ton of new stuff, it is also missing some effects and features that Pixelshox had.

Re:Quartz Composer? (1)

torpor (458) | more than 8 years ago | (#12409237)

that sounds pretty interesting .. good to know about pixelshox. my video hackery has mostly been iMovie cut 'n paste, so its good to see the video composition stuff happening.

what really interests me about QC is the MIDI control. i'm still pretty MIDI-lovin', surrounded by synths, so to have video acting as just another MIDI destination is a new step in the adventure. i guess i just need a couple LCD^H^H^HLED projectors, and i'll have my sounds on the wall, so to speak ..

Unfortunately while Quartz Composer has a ton of new stuff, it is also missing some effects and features that Pixelshox had.


i haven't dug much into QC yet .. my reasons for upgrading to Tiger have kept me pretty busy (driver work) .. but i really look forward to checking it out. do you know what sort of effects/plugins it supports? knowing apple, it seems to me there's about to be an explosion of plugins for that world, so maybe a swipe at pixelshox in the meantime will be good too, eh .. ;)

do you have your stuff online?

Re:Quartz Composer? (1)

rogerbo (74443) | more than 8 years ago | (#12409526)

you can download some pixelshox patches I've done from
here:

http://www.eskatonia.com/visuals/technical.html [eskatonia.com]

I'll be sharing some QC stuff when I've had time to play with it more.

Qc can use all the core image filters plus some simple geometric transforms. At the moment there is no API for adding new patches to QC but it seems to be pretty heavily requested so I'm guessing it's only a matter of time.

Re:Quartz Composer? (2, Informative)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#12411164)

Anyone figured out anything interesting to do with Quartz Composer yet?

So far, we're just scratching the surface of what can be done with Quartz Composer. The RSS screen saver is done in QC, for example. Have a look at the Interface Builder compositions in /Developer/Library/Quartz Composer/ for some ideas of how to use QC views in your own apps.

There's a new mailing list for Quartz Composer users, quartzcomposer-dev, and you can subscribe to it at lists.apple.com.

-jcr

Re:Quartz Composer? (1)

torpor (458) | more than 8 years ago | (#12412446)

thanks for the details .. i look forward to seeing what the future holds for QC ..

(.. incidentally .. "/Developer/Library/Quartz Composer/" .. no such directory .. i guess the Developer Library isn't in my base install.. but I'll check ADC for it ..)

Are you sure about Quicktime?? (5, Informative)

dFaust (546790) | more than 8 years ago | (#12400918)

From the article: "QuickTime Player 7 is in Tiger and basically it just adds support for H.264."

The boys at Ars Technica seem to think differently. See what's really changed [arstechnica.com] with Quicktime.

Mmm, detail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12401088)

"Quicktime 7 is in Tiger. 7 is one more than 6."

Re:Are you sure about Quicktime?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12401417)

seven
cardinal number
equivalent to the sum of three and four; one more than six, or three less than ten; 7.

Maybe the editors. . . . (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12401059)

Maybe Slashdot's editors saw how pathetic this review was and decided to post it just to see if they could melt the server. Doesn't seem to have worked yet.

Come on! We can do it! [ctrl-click] . . . [clrl-click] . . . [ctrl-click]

Command-click? (2, Funny)

fideli (861469) | more than 8 years ago | (#12402637)

Surely you meant [command-click] . . . [command-click] . . . [command-click] . . .

LOL (1)

billybob (18401) | more than 8 years ago | (#12404166)

Surely, that's the only reason I can think of for why they would post such rubbish. :) This review was fucking horrible and anything BUT detailed. I mean if the Ars Technica review didn't exist, then maybe it would be ok (but still not detailed), but COME ON PEOPLE, there's just no way you can follow up to the Ars review, whether or not you claim yours is detailed.

Some points missing.... (4, Funny)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401137)

This article promises a deatiled account of the new features .... but I don't even see 200 features mentionned!!

psst... (5, Funny)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401226)

You might want to keep that copy of the XISO release of Tiger sitting on your hard drive and indexed by Spotlight on the down low. (second screenshot)

Re:psst... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12408958)

Ever hear of developer copies??????

Re:psst... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12413150)

Ever hear of developer copies??????

Ah, so he was breaking his NDA then?

For a more meaningful review, see AnandTech (4, Interesting)

Zhe Mappel (607548) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401374)

Well, we've heard the oohs and aahs of the faithful, and sweet to the ear they are. How about some critical reviewing, now?

Anand, the PC guru who has been extremely positive toward Apple products since becoming a dual-user, beta-tested Tiger throughout its development.

This week his lengthy review praises features, but finds the release version to be buggy and rushed. Performance is also a mixed bag. http://anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2404&p=1 [anandtech.com]

Two quotes:

"But I have to find it difficult recommending a product that's clearly unfinished, and clearly not without bugs. None of the bugs that I encountered were show stoppers, but I'm not one to support pre-release products that are being shipped as final. So if you're expecting a perfect user experience with Tiger, you'll be close but not quite there. I'm hoping the 10.4.1 update fixes all of my issues, but for now don't expect a flawless $129 experience. "

...

"Looking at today, it's an important day for Apple, a day to celebrate a very impressive OS launch - but I get the feeling that no one at Apple is celebrating quite yet, it seems like there's still quite a bit of work left."

Re:For a more meaningful review, see AnandTech (2, Insightful)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 8 years ago | (#12405991)

That's why I'm waiting for the 10.4.1 release. it seems the odd point releases fix things, and the even point releases break them again.

Experiences... (2, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 8 years ago | (#12401423)

My main experience was that the upgrade broke stuff. irssi no longer works, and it looks to be due to two bugs in the OS itself - sysconf(_SC_GETPW_R_SIZE_MAX) returns -1 rather than the correct value, and poll() changing subtly in a way that isnt yet documented (its possibly now a syscall).

Other than that -
  • Dashboard - love it, got lots of widgets and the best thing is, theres info widgets for places outside the US!
  • Spotlight - As someone said to me earlier today, Spotlight is fantastic for browsing sourcecode and source documentation, as well as all the mundane stuff.
  • Xcode2 - Brilliant, and finally we have a datepicker!

My Tiger notes/annoyances (1)

Yablo (98362) | more than 8 years ago | (#12402417)

-While not Tiger-specific, Quicksilver doesn't have a calculator plugin.
-Spotlight icon unremovable from menu bar

And probably my biggest annoyance of all:
-Spotlight does not index hidden folders. I've got this great desktop search app, yet it won't index ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs, even if I sym or hardlink it.
-Mail.app looks like shit, can't mailboxes/folders on the right-hand side like the old Mail.app, and didn't import any of my old mailboxes/accounts.
-The neat-looking RSS visualizer screensaver has to pull from Safari, and not NetNewsWire

Hardware-wise, no issues with anything I pluggged in.

Other than that, everything else seems snappier. Dashboard's pretty badass too, despite being a memory hog. 20-40MB per widget seems a bit much.

Re:My Tiger notes/annoyances (1)

TravisWatkins (746905) | more than 8 years ago | (#12405080)

I wonder if you put the real dir someone else and made ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs a symlink if it would work.

Re:My Tiger notes/annoyances (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 8 years ago | (#12405579)

-Spotlight icon unremovable from menu bar

You can't remove the Apple menu either.

I do get what you're saying though, it's just that Spotlight is an integral part of Mac OS now (just like the Apple menu).

-Spotlight does not index hidden folders. I've got this great desktop search app, yet it won't index ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs, even if I sym or hardlink it.

Slight correction: Spotlight does index hidden folders (the "hidden" flag on HFS). It does not index dot files/folders.

Two solutions for you:

1. Move xchatlogs to somewhere else, then symlink *that* into ~/.xchat2.
2. Configure xchat to store its logs somewhere else. If you want the logs folder to remain hidden, you can hide it with "SetFile -a V" (SetFile is installed with the Developer Tools, and is stored in: /Developer/Tools/)

Also, I imagine it's a hidden setting somewhere to toggle searching dot files/folders.

-The neat-looking RSS visualizer screensaver has to pull from Safari, and not NetNewsWire

It also only polls from one feed. But to solve your problem, of course, you can just put the feed you want into Safari.

Hope that helps with a few of your issues.

Re:My Tiger notes/annoyances (1)

mbaciarello (800433) | more than 8 years ago | (#12407353)

-While not Tiger-specific, Quicksilver doesn't have a calculator plugin.

It does [blacktree.com], although it's really basic. Interestingly, it's called "Calculator Module," and serves as a Quicksilver-style frontend for UNIX (or POSIX?) commands bc or dc - you get to choose. It runs in the bezel. Press "." (dot) to enter input mode, write your math, tab to the right quadrant and get your result.

Of course, it uses command line-style syntax, and it outputs to the very basic stdout();.

Re:My Tiger notes/annoyances (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12409372)

I think the proper thing to do is for Spotlight not to index hidden .files and .folders and Finder's hidden objects. I am actually surprised that Spotlight indexes Finder's hidden objects. I am thinking about security issues. There are cases where you just want to hide files from a casual view (okay, that's not very secure, but still...). Indexing these files will show their existence when the keyword is hit during the search. Also, most likely, these hidden objects are not of interest (or else they are revealed) to general users.

Maybe Apple should have provided a check button for the behaviour in Spotlight preference panel, locked by the user's password.

Re:My Tiger notes/annoyances (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 8 years ago | (#12412419)

You could always...
cd ~
mv .xchat2 Library/X-Chat
ln -s !$ .xchat2

Safari and Linksys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12402532)

The new version of Safari now works with my Linksys BEFW11S4 router. That is the setup web screens now work. Previously in Panther I had to use Firefox or Mozilla to change things in the router since Safari would try to display the pages and take minutes to do it. Now works just as well as Firefox. Also seems a little snappier for the NOAA weather site I use for radar displays.

Detailed? (4, Insightful)

kitzilla (266382) | more than 8 years ago | (#12403707)

I share the author's enthusiasm for Tiger, but wonder why this piece was deemed worthy of Slashdot. It is neither detailed nor particularly accurate, more a paraphrase of Apple's marketing pieces than a review.

The treatment of Automator is particularly disappointing: the author basically says he doesn't understand the feature. Ouch.

There's little mention of Tiger's under-the-hood improvements, and the author doesn't seem familiar with the complete overhaul of Quicktime.

Other posters have cited Ars Technica's Tiger overview by way of comparison. I think the folks at Ars have shown us how an OS review is to be done. We don't see much of that quality at Slashdot or over at the hapless OS News.

Detailed review of MacOS X piracy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12404460)

I have just posted my detailed review of Mac OS X Tiger's new features.

And I've just posted my report of your piracy to Apple's Piracy Address [mailto].

Next time you want to show off a search tool make sure it isn't returning results showing illegal activity [dashboardlineup.com].

404 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12408629)

What a shock, he took that page down.

Google cache, anyone?

Mac True Reality (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12404792)

I get the impression as others do this is just a fanboy page about Tiger. That said, although the Ars page was good and well written it lost the plot when guy started being an apologist for Apple's shocking, and in my view shameful robbery of Konfabulator.

It doesn't matter which way you look at it; whatever excuses you may hear about Desk Accessories and what not; the fact that in the eyes of the Law Konfabulator devs have no real recourse, really you have to ask if it had been the other way round what would Apple's reaction be ? And is what Apple did right?

Anyway, back to the topic, I don't so much go on what tech articles or fanboy articles say but what actual users say. It's interesting that if you actually read many of the Mac specific forums when people got their copies of Tiger early they were distinctly underwhelmed by the experience.

And why shouldn't they be ? Tiger has been the most overhyped, overcooked OS in the history of computing. Sure it's got some nice stuff, some old, some 'borrowed', some new but overall it's just not that exciting.

Additionally, for every positive thing there is probably a negative and there is no doubt that Tiger exposes the underlying weaknesses of Apple in recent years as well as it's strengths.

Notably Apple's once proud reputation for Human User Interface design has got badly badly lost in a sea of half baked chrome and inconsistent window widgets which is a shame.

Re:Mac True Reality (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 8 years ago | (#12405056)

I get the impression as others do this is just a fanboy page about Tiger. That said, although the Ars page was good and well written it lost the plot when guy started being an apologist for Apple's shocking, and in my view shameful robbery of Konfabulator.

So, making software that has a similar function to other software is "robbery" now? I guess that must mean that almost every Open Source developer is a thief. That GIMP shamelessly steals from Photoshop. That Firefox shamelessly steals from every previous web browser, etc.

Re:Mac True Reality (1)

erikvlie (830219) | more than 8 years ago | (#12407949)

I never heard the people of Startly complain about Automator. Although it is far more limited than QuicKeys, it's more or less a comparable product. They don't seem to mind much. And I think they will lose a few customers: those who find functionality enough in Automator... I believe Konfabulator can perfectly live side-by-side with Dashboard. For some time to come, it will. At least it ran when Tiger was still beta...

Re:Mac True Reality (1)

z-kungfu (255628) | more than 8 years ago | (#12409322)

Obviously you're just a steaming pile of troll sh1t. But then again I guess you never heard of NextStep and Widgets before. Konfabulator was nothing new. Hence they have no recourse. Get with it or get lost..... and coward is absolutely correct...

modern day internet (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#12405081)

This just a symptom of modern day internet, each has his/her own site/blog/mailing-list/developers/whatever-page, and a dispersion of effort will make no-one read what anyone else wrote eventually (I know i didn't in this case ;)).

Just look at the ridiculuous amount of Tiger reviews on http://www.macsurfer.com/ [macsurfer.com] ...

Detailed review (1)

erikvlie (830219) | more than 8 years ago | (#12406260)

As Tiger coverage, this is definitely not in-depth. If it is anything, it's the sort of review you can expect after having worked with Tiger for one day. For real in-depth coverage, take a look at Ars Technica's 20+ page review [arstechnica.com]. Other worthwhile information can be found on XLR8YourMac.com [xlr8yourmac.com]. And yet another that isn't too bad: the IT-Enquirer [it-enquirer.com]. That site even has a free downloadable eBooklet on Tiger.

Another More Subjective Review (1)

mgbaron (457884) | more than 8 years ago | (#12408032)

Read my not so thorough, but more subjective review here [mattbaron.net] if you are interested in another user's perspective before you upgrade.

Also, Dashboard is great!

I dont think It counts as a review (1)

Cliff.Braun (825786) | more than 8 years ago | (#12408194)

I don't think that it counts as a review if all you do is heap praise on something. That's more like advertising, or stupidity. I usually read reviews for what's wrong with a product moreso than what's right.

Pirated Copy of Tiger? (1)

Forezt (769932) | more than 8 years ago | (#12408254)

Sorry if this is off topic but I have to know. Several of the comments on the article pointed out that the reviewer is using a pirated copy of Tiger. I was just wondering how they came to this conclusion.

You guys better hope no one points out the second screenshot to Apple's legal department.

What kind of idiot posts a shallow review which clearly shows they prirated the OS?


What is there in the screenshot that gives this away? I'm confused.

Re:Pirated Copy of Tiger? (1)

Oscar_Wilde (170568) | more than 8 years ago | (#12413073)

The article has been changed since the comments started appearing. Some comments attached to the story have also been deleted. What the screenshot showed was the spotlight search results for "tiger" which included the XiSO release of Tiger.

As far as reviews go (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#12408875)

... this one's decent as the perspective of someone who's just installed it and not used it. I'm finding the Apple Discussions [apple.com] forum to be a much better representation of the reactions thus far. From what I've read, a lot of people really like the upgrade, but it's not without its share of bugs here and there. Thankfully none of them are showstoppers, I'm sure Apple will release a 10.4.1 patch soon, but there are a few features that don't work precisely as advertised.

One of the weirdest that I've noticed, is with the Spotlight search function. Regardless of how I've annotated the thousands of photos I've put into iPhoto, Spotlight will not search them based on that metadata. iPhoto lets you put comments and keywords on any photo, which is what most people have done. That information is useless when using Spotlight to find the files.

Anyway, I've only had the new version since Friday and I've noticed a few things, but so far I can say with certainty that it's worth the upgrade.

Re:As far as reviews go (1)

mh101 (620659) | more than 8 years ago | (#12414543)

iPhoto lets you put comments and keywords on any photo, which is what most people have done.

Hmm, works for me. I did a Spotlight search for 'kitten' and got the pictures I took a couple weeks ago of my brother's kitten, for which I had entered 'kitten' in the photos' comment boxes.

I have iLife '05... perhaps that makes a difference.

Re:As far as reviews go (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#12419569)

Possibly, though I've been reading the Apple Discussions and it seems it affects people regardless of which one they use. Very strange!

Dashboard Gap!! (1, Insightful)

kraka40 (99918) | more than 8 years ago | (#12411165)

Is it me or did Apple really leave a fundamental widget out of the Dashboard like
-- SYSTEM PERFORMANCE INFORMATION

I mean WTF! What is a dashboard if it doesn't tell you how well the engine is running. I was amazed that it was not included as a default widget.

This should come with Tiger. What a shame.

Re:Dashboard Gap!! (1)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 8 years ago | (#12413154)

What kind of system performance do you want to know, that Activity Monitor doesn't provide? I've got that in my Login Items and always keep the CPU meter running in a corner of my secondary display.

~Philly

Re:Dashboard Gap!! (1)

kraka40 (99918) | more than 8 years ago | (#12413577)

Exactly, they should have ported over a Dashboard Widget for the Activity Monitor. If you've got the Dashboard up, why not provide system info ala gauge and graph form in a little window.

In the systems management world, or IT world for that matter. ... when you talk "Dashboards" people think performance, SLAs, etc.

I assumed that it would come with a systems performance widget.

Stupid it doesn't, regardless of what Activity Monitor does or does not do.
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