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U.S. Rejects Canadian Rejection of DMCA

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the spy-vs-mountie dept.

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P Starrson writes " Slashdot readers may recall that last month Canadian policy makers rejected the DMCA for Canada. Not so fast apparently -- the U.S. Trade Representative has released the annual Section 301 report which each year tells the rest of the world that they need stronger intellectual property protection. This year Canada is a particular target -- the U.S. plans to conduct a special review of Canadian policies and explicitly rejects Canada's rejection of the DMCA. A good summary on what this means from Canadian law professor Michael Geist."

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870 comments

Moderation (3, Funny)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400749)

Is it like moderation and meta-moderation in Slashdot? In the end nothing matters.

Re:Moderation (-1, Troll)

hacked (838690) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400768)

gnaa

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12400752)

I like corn, but DMCA means I can't like porn!

Meanwhile... (3, Insightful)

brxndxn (461473) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400759)

the American public rejects the DMCA.

Re:Meanwhile... (3, Insightful)

foreverdisillusioned (763799) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400793)

That's ok, the DMCA rejects [the rights of] you guys, too.

For St Peter's sake (4, Insightful)

MrBigInThePants (624986) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400761)

Do you think Bush could leave other countries alone for 10 bloody seconds??

Isn't screwing your own country up good enough?!

Beeing from canada (5, Insightful)

anethema (99553) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400767)

The USA can suck my balls if they want us to adopt the DMCA. We dont even want the concessions they have made as it is, never mind the full DMCA.

While im sure it will eventually happen, I've certainly been calling local politicians and telling them about my feelings towards the DMCA and copyright legislation change.

The only way to keep things the way they are is to voice to those in charge that this is the way you like it! Come on canadians dont get lazy on this one.

Re:Beeing from canada (1, Insightful)

Goalie_Ca (584234) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400965)

I second the notion. They can posture all they fucking want but people up here won't go for it. The politicians don't get lobbied half as aggresively as they do down there!

Beeing from the UK (1)

KingDaveRa (620784) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401020)

Quite agree. What next, is Bush going to impose this on us. Then again, Tony loves Bush so much he'd probably do it at the drop of a hat.

Re:Beeing from the UK (5, Interesting)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401159)

you know i like tony blair for one reason , he is the greatest thing to hapen to the scottish independance movment since Thatcher .
I am sick fed up of his Brown(Pun not a false capital) nosing to Bush.
John Smith would have been a Truely great leader had he not sufferd the heart attack(Blair got in ridding off of Smiths past achivments) and had he been alive today i am sure he would have told Bush where to shove it(perhaps i over-esteem him , but i really admired the man, an honest politican is a rare thing)...I digress.

The Blair-Bush alliance would suffer some serious problems if it occurs that a political problem hapens with canada and the US, The commenwealth is still a major source of trade and the rest of europe would quickly side with Canada forcing the Labservitives hand .

Being from the USA (1)

jrrl (635743) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401070)

The USA government can suck my balls if they expect us to respect blatant pandering to the corporations as the DMCA.

In theory, the US government is a wonderfully designed thing, but in practice, it quite often sucks.

Damn.

-John.

Re:Being from the USA (2, Insightful)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401171)

It was fine until they loosened the restrictions on corporations. You can thank the lobbiests and lawyers for that. Did you know that corporations are considered "citizens" and have almost all the same rights as a person? Here's a pretty good look at why things are the way they are now [thecorporation.com]

Re:Bee^Hing from canada (5, Funny)

Anonymous Luddite (808273) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401081)

>> The USA can suck my balls

Careful there Anethema. There are 295,734,134 people down there - you'll get a seriously chapped bag.

Re:Beeing from canada (4, Funny)

Wavicle (181176) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401082)

The USA can suck my balls if they want us to adopt the DMCA.

So I take it you reject the U.S. rejection of the Canadian rejection of the DMCA?

You do realize that U.S. IP holders would reject your rejection of the U.S. rejection of the Canadian rejection of the DMCA??

Re:Beeing from canada (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12401165)

Dear Professor Millington,

Thank you for your letter of March 16. After careful consideration, I regret to inform you that I am unable to accept your refusal to offer me an assistant professor position in your department.

This year I have been particularly fortunate in receiving an unusually large number of rejection letters. With such a varied and promising field of candidates it is impossible for me to accept all refusals.

Despite Whitson's outstanding qualifications and previous experience in rejecting applicants, I find that your rejection does not meet my needs at this time. Therefore, I will assume the position of assistant professor in your department this August. I look forward to seeing you then.

Best of luck in rejecting future applicants.

Loyd! Loyd! (-1, Troll)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400769)


You can't triple-stamp a double-stamp! You can't triple-stamp a double-stamp!

The U S of A strongarms us yet again... (1)

Segfault666 (662554) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400783)

The next thing we will see is US tanks rolling into our streets becuase the we will decriminalize marijuana. Hell, why don't they just roll in because we say sod-a pop instead of sod-e pop. North America is Dying, Slowly.

Re:The U S of A strongarms us yet again... (1)

Newrad (692715) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400975)

Who the hell says sod-e pop?

Re:The U S of A strongarms us yet again... (1)

KaptNKrunchy (876661) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401075)

Hell, why don't they just roll in because we say sod-a pop instead of sod-e pop. Good question.

As a Canadian... (4, Insightful)

Robber Baron (112304) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400786)

I say it's way past time Canada and the rest of the world told the US to go fuck itself.

Re:As a Canadian... (5, Insightful)

RollingThunder (88952) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400923)

That's exactly what I entered this thread to say.

They can continue ruining their own country, and we'll run ours the way we want to. We're a sovereign nation that decides it's own affairs, no matter how much they may have difficulty with the concept.

Re:As a Canadian... (4, Interesting)

koreth (409849) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400928)

As an American, I agree. My country is far too full of itself for its own good. Arrogance and pushiness are not virtues.

Re:As a Canadian... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12400933)

As an American, it's way past time Canada and the rest of the world told the US to go fuck itself, at least on IP/Copyright issues.

Re:As a Canadian... (5, Interesting)

ogewo (652234) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400978)

I say it's way past time Canada and the rest of the world told the US to go fuck itself.
If people in this world weren't so oversensitive you could say just that and it would be very effective. Instead people tip-toe around the issue and sugar coat and diplomatize to the point where a hegemon doesn't realize they've overstepped their bounds. The headline "Canada: Fuck off USA" would be like a shot to the jaw, it would knock a little sense into the politicians.

As an American.. (1)

demondawn (840015) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401038)

I'd have to agree. This is utterly ridiculous; independent nations have the right to make their own laws.

Re:As an American.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12401054)

Tell that to the European Union...

Re:As a Canadian... (4, Insightful)

hype7 (239530) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401087)

I say it's way past time Canada and the rest of the world told the US to go fuck itself.


damn straight. in particular, it can go fuck itself with it's IP law.

I can't begin to get over the gall of a country, "reviewing" other countries laws and - get this - rejecting them!! I bet it will now apply political and $$$ pressure until it gets its way.

American IP law is the US's worst export. What it fails to realise is when the Chinese rise in the next 20 years, it's going to come back and bite America on the ass

-- james

Re:As a Canadian... (0, Troll)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401101)

That's why people fly planes into their buildings. Didn't help much though, or it did.

Re:As a Canadian... (0, Flamebait)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401114)

wow, you're just a douche, did you know that?

As an American (1)

phloydphreak (691922) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401166)

The economic movement within the US is toward the exportation of intellectual property. That is what is being created in the US, well... that and marketing... and military weapons... and corn (im from the midwest). Why would a company spend billions of dollars creating something when it can be stolen, re-engineered, and resold for nothing. We have a right to protect our investment.

"the US government is corrupted its corporations" -- response: "the US goverment wants to protect its economy". Two interpretations of the same idea.

This hatred of US economic foreign policy is the hatred of the exploited attempting to protect itself.

Mod me down with your hatred and your journey towards the Dark Side shall be complete.

"the dark side of the force is a pathway which some might consider to be unnatural"

And, of course (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12400790)

The actual citizenry of either country has yet to be asked whether they actually want the DMCA, since most of the people don't even know it exists and probably most of congress doesn't even know it exists, since it was passed by voice vote without anyone in congress actually reading it.

Re:And, of course (5, Interesting)

nametaken (610866) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400940)

This is a good point. Our PR class covered the DMCA a couple weeks ago, and our teacher couldn't stop saying, "this is the world we live in, folks".

I got the impression most kids didn't know it even exists, and this is on a college campus where liberal ideas are tatooed on your forehead as a prereq for admission.

Even my strctly conservative father doesn't like the DMCA after a brief explaination of its implications. I think people just don't know what its all about.

This will only get worse before it gets better (5, Insightful)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400792)

The u.s. is in the transition to a wholely IP based economy, the DMCA is their lifeblood to a prosperous future. Log onto cspan sometime and watch the Greenspan-meets-congress videos, he keeps telling them "We need stronger IP laws.." Without any doubt his opinion holds more weight than yours ever will. I don't have much to say to young idealists or anybody with a inkling of hope left except, submit to your masters, it'll be easier.

Re:This will only get worse before it gets better (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400884)

In an ochlocracy, the politicians need to tickle the needs of the unwashed crowds. Joe Sixpack and Ms Ten-Kids-And-Living-Off-Social-Welfare don't give a damn to IP laws. It's all about panem et circenses, no one cares about _you_.

However, once the politician in question won his seat, it's the time to reap his benefits. Usually, this means collecting the favours from his corporate friends, people who sponsored his campaign in the first place.

Thus, the only opinions heard are those of the mob and those of big corporations. Free market? Free speech? Scientists? Middle class? Principles? Hah.

An example of the American Empire (5, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400995)

This is really just an exercise in power, the US will back up these strong suggestions with threats of trade sanctions etc.

The thing that gets me as someone who lives in Britain and recognises the behaviors of the British Empire in the past is that Americans don't recognise that they live in an empire in all but name.

There seems to be a sort of xeno blindness, nothing outwith the US borders exists and therefore cannot be important. The result being these kinds of strong arm tactics used against sovereign nations. Guess why large portions of the world are antithetical.

Re:An example of the American Empire (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401049)

"The thing that gets me as someone who lives in Britain and recognises the behaviors of the British Empire in the past is that Americans don't recognise that they live in an empire in all but name."

Wow! you're an old fart!

As a Canadian... (3, Funny)

Mawen (317927) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400795)

I reject U.S.'s rejection of Canada's Rejection of DMCA.

Re:As a Canadian... (0, Redundant)

Nicholas Evans (731773) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400855)

And I reject your rejection of the US's rejection of Canada's rejection! So ha!

Re:As a Canadian... (1)

chachob (746500) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401036)

Damn, beat me to it. That was the first thing I (and many others, I'm sure) thought of.

Re:As a Canadian... (3, Informative)

noidentity (188756) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401076)

As an American, I accept your rejection of our rejection or your rejection of our lame-ass DMCA.

NAFTA? (3, Interesting)

xanthines-R-yummy (635710) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400803)

Is this related to NAFTA at all? Could the USA claim the Canadian rejection of the DMCA violates NAFTA somehow? Or could Canada use NAFTA to uphold their policy on DMCA?

Just some random (and probably irrelevant!) thoughts...

Re:NAFTA? (1)

ArbitraryConstant (763964) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400863)

The US is not in a position to use NAFTA to demand concessions from us at the moment.

Re:NAFTA? (2, Insightful)

blueadept1 (844312) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400937)

NAFTA! Ha! Good luck with that one. See: Softwood Lumber dispute, Mad Cow dispute... Both illegal under NAFTA.

Re:NAFTA? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Luddite (808273) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401148)

>> NAFTA! Ha! Good luck with that one. See: Softwood Lumber dispute, Mad Cow dispute... Both illegal under NAFTA.


Nearly
Always
Favours
The
Americans...

and how do the states figure... (4, Insightful)

Phil246 (803464) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400808)

How on earth do the bought-and-paid-for senators in the states think they can make laws for other countries - without invading them. America, at this rate is well on the path to destroying itself through either corporate corruption - or alienating the rest of the world against it.

Re:and how do the states figure... (2, Insightful)

nagora (177841) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400858)

How on earth do the bought-and-paid-for senators in the states think they can make laws for other countries - without invading them.

The same way the US ones were made: bribery and, er.. well, just bribery, really.

TWW

WIPO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12400882)

How on earth do the bought-and-paid-for senators in the states think they can make laws for other countries - without invading them.

WIPO.

Countries will be pretty much irrelivant in the future. We are now moving toward a model where countries make superficial local decisions like how they structure their internal social security systems or who can carry guns or what not, but the actual important decisions are all made by unelected transnational bodies such as WIPO, the WTO, the EU Commission, etc, without public input or oversight. We tend to lump all these groups together under the nebulous label "globalization", whatever that means, but there isn't really a good term for these entities. Eventually though it won't matter since we'll reach a point where we might as well just call them "the rulers".

Note, of course, I'm not saying that America will use WIPO to enforce rules on Canada, since WIPO diesn't answer to America, only to the propertyholders it represents, though many of those do live in America. It's more just the other way around; that right now WIPO is one of the groups who has made America into the instrument for implementing its policies, and eventually WIPO will do the same to Canada.

Re:and how do the states figure... (1)

nametaken (610866) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401042)


Well, actually this sort of thing happens every single day. Its just not usually about the DMCA, so we don't notice or care.

I'm also not sure that this indicates that America is well on the path to destroying itself. Its sad and frustrating, but I don't know that its worse than that.

As for alienation? Uhm, maybe a little. Again, this thing happens between lots of countries every day over all sorts of law, from contract enforcement to tariffs. Its not actually a shocking, pointed attack on Canada and its sovereignty. Pushing hard for your economic interests is really par for the course in any country.

DMCA (1)

cryptoz (878581) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400810)

DMCA = Destruction of My Copyright Abilities

We all know the DMCA is a joke. Good thing us Canadians know it, too.

Re:DMCA (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400926)

Bah, who cares about the US Constitution anymore?
(oh yes, in this case it's those dirty Canadians who do, ironically)

So... wait... does this mean (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12400815)

...that Canada qualifies as a circumvention device?

Uh oh

Re:So... wait... does this mean (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12401096)

Soon, the USA will find that Canada's rejection of the DMCA is caused by Al Qaida.

They will then launch a preventive strike over Canada.

They will install Democracy in Canada.

The world will be a much better place to live.

Not if... (1)

ThndrShk2k (805287) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400824)

Not if Canada rejects the US's rejection first! Times like this the US thinks they own the world, they lie. Canada is bigger than the US, but has less people. Digital data is stored in Canada, thus only effective to Canadian law. Not US. The US is just pissed that Canada isn't joining their crusade against pirates.

I love the USA (1)

UlfGabe (846629) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400827)

I just love it when another country impresses its ideals on the rest of the world;

As a person living in Canada I Have Already Emailed my Member of Parliment encouraging for strong independant action in all fields, highlighting this IP issue. Canada needs to make its own laws, and adhere to the WTO on matters of international trade, and the USA will ignore the WTO and anyone else if their policies are not benifitial to them.

Case and point, softwood lumber, sugar, steel, and tobacco industry tariffs and that stupid act which allows companies harmed to recompense themselves off of the tariff fund.

The USA is only hurting itself for international relationships, and we Canadians live mostly a couple 100 Km from the border.

ps The border is unguarded too.

Re:I love the USA (1)

blueadept1 (844312) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400976)

Not for long. [timesargus.com]

I agree with the fact that the USA is only hurting itself. Not only international relationships, but its economy too. Tariffs have historically shown to hurt the country that imposes them more so than the country that receives them. See: Great Depression (partial reason)

no way. (0, Redundant)

RGTAsheron (844946) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400830)

I reject the US's rejection of Canada's rejection!

What It Really Meant (5, Insightful)

snookerdoodle (123851) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400832)

It just meant that Canadian lawmakers are more in tune with the values of the typical United States citizen than are the members of the U.S. Congress and Senate.

Well, at least in this particular area... ;-)

I don't think anyone is surprised anymore that our lawmakers write laws that reflect the values of lobbyists. :-(

Mark

What? (5, Funny)

Farrell (564771) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400835)

I thought we settled States Rights during the civil war, and agreed no state could reject federal law ;)

We gots us a Bargaining Chip (5, Insightful)

Malicious (567158) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400848)

Perhaps if the USA opens the border to Canadian Beef , softwood lumber, and settles all the other open trade disputes Canada could CONSIDER, reconsidering such a bill. But I doubt it.

Re:We gots us a Bargaining Chip (0, Troll)

TykeClone (668449) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400905)

Mmmm.

Mad Canadian Beef. Yummy!

Ah the WTO (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400862)

WTO rears its ugly head again i see.

Its going to continue to get ugly. 'my rules overpower yours'.

As an American, allow me to say... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12400865)

...that I am sick and tired of America's attempts to tell other countries what to do. When commenting in this thread, please keep in mind that not all Americans feel that we should be so meddling, and only 51% of Americans were willing to re-elect the current administration.

Re:As an American, allow me to say... (2, Insightful)

vistic (556838) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401115)

51% of Americans who voted.

Of course I was in that 49% who voted for the other guy.

And they wonder why we don't like them... (2)

Wacky_Wookie (683151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400868)

Is the pure arrogance of this lost on US Policy makers?

When a country makes it clear that they are not interested in your fucked up copyright laws, maybe your laws might not be as good as you think they are.

This sort os stuff is only goint to get worse, as a Canadian, I plan to urge my government to stop trading with the USA as much as possible, and start trading with Europe, or China, or India instead.

In Soviet America (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12400873)

Canadian DMCA rejects YOU!

Jesus christ (2, Insightful)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400875)

I'm beginning to think the US government passes more laws outside the US than it actually does inside the US...

Oh yes, stronger IP laws. Just what everyone in Canada needs and wants.

sigh (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12400876)

all this rejection is reminding me of high school....

Bullies (1)

niskel (805204) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400881)

Not only do they need to make dumb laws for their own country, they bully other countries to adopt their laws and views. Figures...

Yankee Go Home (5, Insightful)

McGiraf (196030) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400893)

If the US can tell us what to do the we should have a say in their election, and it would probably sound like this:

Canada rejects Bush.

Re:Yankee Go Home (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401068)

Quite. And it works exactly the same way in the other direction. Many, many countries have tried to tell the US we should and should not to do (death penalty, Iraq, etc, etc). The US is free to accept or ignore those suggestions, just as Canada is free to accept or ignore this one.

Someones gotta stand up (1)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400899)

Maybe May 5th will change the British government and they will take the initiative to stop this crap? Nah not really, but I can dream right?

Re:Someones gotta stand up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12401018)

Speaking as someone from the UK - the current election campaign is getting or has been dirty pretty much all the way.
People who are polled are saying who they would vote for if they had to but i strongly suspect that nowhere near the amount of people will actually vote.
Too much lies in politics = disillusioned populous = no votes.

OT: For UK voters ... Do you matter? (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401099)

Have a look and see how important your vote is on May 5th. The vast majority of those who don't wish to vote for the incumbent might as well burn their polling cards right now.

http://www.doyoucount.co.uk/ [doyoucount.co.uk]

Ehm, Proportional Representation anyone?

Oh, while we're on the subject of representation, does your MP represent you or do they really represent the leader?

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ [theyworkforyou.com]

Y'know what? (2, Interesting)

Grave_Rose (715146) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400904)

The United States can lobby it's ass off all it wants to but one fact remains: We're our own country. I didn't have a vote in your election process nor did any Americans (except dual-citizens) have a vote in our election. We are not the 51st state. I have nothing against individual Americans (most of those I've met are really swell people) but as a whole, they really suck.

Gr@ve_Rose

the summary (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400912)

That summary is why I don't read newspapers any more. I find reading text in columns less than 30 characters wide to be painful, and refuse to do it. Someone want to karma whore and post his whole summary in one nice wide paragraph?

not much they can do about it really (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400915)

They can reject it all they want , but i don't really see what they can actualy do about it .
What are they going to suggest , Trade sanctions against Canada .. HAH.
I would love to see that ,Trade sanctions against one of the largest commenwelth nations , well You think anti-American(Gouvernment not people) sentiment is strong now just wait , if they tried something like that then i can near assure you that the rest of the world would be in up-roar.You thought the UN was pissed off about the Cuba sanctions just wait to see how angry they would be if you tried that with Canada .

So what else can the US do , very little bar tough talk and going "Tch tch naughty Canada".

I think thats all we will hear about it , Lets hope Canada Gouvernment has the Strength of resolve to stay strong on this issue and stand up to this , Well lets just hope they realise there is nothing the US can do about it.

Perspectives of Canadian Political Parties? (1)

fyoder (857358) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400919)

With an election inevitable in the not so distant future sometime, it would be good for Canadian voters to know where the major parties stand on this. I suspect the Conservatives would be more likely to fall in line with the Bush administration.

Re:Perspectives of Canadian Political Parties? (1)

pyth (87680) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400934)

No. They're pretty much equal on this respect unfortunately...

A note from Miss Canada to her groping Uncle (3, Funny)

ded_si_luap (846428) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400931)


Miss Canada: "Uncle Sam, Don't prod your nose where it don't go. Three times before I tossed you out in the snow. If you keep hacking, you'll get a darned good whacking"

Uncle Sam: "Oooohhhh - I like being whacked! Whack me here, Whack me there. Whack me on the bed, and under the chair. Whack me by whip, Whack me by stick. Whack me in Nam, Whack me in Iruq. Now I'll get whacked from little miss Canuck!

As a Canadian... (3, Interesting)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400935)

As a Canadian I have to say - "STAY THE FUCK OUT OF OUR LAWS."

Granted, as the U.S. is our largest trading partner, we have a number of things that are a little "grey" or messed up... For example, if it was not for the U.S. influence we probably would have legalized pot long ago.

I love the minority government we have right now though - our Prime Minister just denied a number of the White Houses requests because there could have been a forced election if he went against the will of the people. I hope it continues this way - bizzare concept I know - the will of the people driving things?

What is really sad is that much of our law is based on the changes that came about in the U.S. oh, about 200 years ago... (And English law as well)

Draconian USA (1)

Space_Soldier (628825) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400941)

Excuse me, but since when does another country have to agree with what the US thinks that it is right for the rest of the world? From the way the post is worded, it sounds very draconian to me. It sounds as if the US is big, evil dictator, and it is going write a report bashing those countries that do not agree with the DMCA. No wonder that the world hates USA.

The article should say something like: "We the USA do not agree that you disagree with the DMCA for the following reasons... Please review them and have another vote on DMCA." However, it sounds like, "You fucking suck because you don't agree with the DMCA. We are going to report you to Uncle Sam and embargo your arse to the Stone Age. Who do you think you are to disagree with what we think is right?"

PS: I live in the US.

Re:Draconian USA (1)

nkh (750837) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401077)

I'm sorry but "Please review them and have another vote on DMCA" seems exactly like "Who do you think you are to disagree with what we think is right?", there is absolutely no difference to me.

Dear USA, do you like water? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12400951)

Dear USA trade reps,

We don't want the DMCA in Canada. If you insist we will stop selling you our water, hydro power, wheat, uranium, copper, lumber, oil, and Maple Syrup.

Oh, and you can't test your bombs and torpedoes here.

Many Apologies in advance,
-Canada

PS: If you really piss us off, we have a secret Beaver Army. Evil Beavers.

Dammit (2, Interesting)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400954)

"tells the rest of the world they need stronger intellectual property protection"

How about telling the US they need a stronger currency so the people making money legally from the DMCA can actually convert it without being left with peanuts. I love the hypocrisy of the US at the moment. God bless Canada for having the balls reject it.

The Canadians Are On Notice? (5, Insightful)

geomon (78680) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400958)

I guess they should be shaking in their boots now, eh?

Why do US policy makers assume that every country needs to have the exact policy as we have? One of the founding priciples of US conservatism is the preservation of sovereignty. That principle has meant that the US has ignored the call for a Canadian-style medical system, or the foreign policy goals of the EU. For good or ill, US conservatism demands that countries decide what is in their own best interests and guide their foreign and domestic agendas accordingly.

Now these conservatives are demanding that Canada abandon sovereignty and model all of their intellectual property laws after the US?

US 'conservatives' have the intellectual consistency of baby shit.

wow (1, Funny)

jessecurry (820286) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400991)

I laughed so f******g hard when I read this, my girlfriend couldn't believe that slashdot could be this funny

Priorities: China (2, Insightful)

phloydphreak (691922) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400993)

The exploitation of copyrighted material by Chinese companies is much more detrimental than internet copyright infringment. The funding that is going into attempting to force countries that are marginally complying should instead by spent on those countries which flagrantly break those laws which are _explicitly_ required for the continuation of the creation process.

upcomming election (1)

ArbitraryConstant (763964) | more than 9 years ago | (#12400999)

The upcomming election is going to be very close, and I doubt a majority government is going to result no matter who wins.

Nobody here is going to do more than say "we're examining the issue" or words to that effect.

What else would you expect from mooch's (-1, Flamebait)

Capt. Dick Jackman (806898) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401003)

The US dwarfs the rest of the world in production of IP. Hence, there should be little wonder in the rest of the world bitching about not being able to copy it.

Stop you're whining about not being able to copy Britney Spears CD's. Jeesh, we already subsidize research for your pharmaceuticals and sell them to you for cheap. Not to mention foot your defense bills.

Re:What else would you expect from mooch's (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401097)

omg it's captain obvious to slashdot's rescue!!

Re:What else would you expect from mooch's (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401134)

The US dwarfs the rest of the world in production of IP.

s/production/claims

First Iraq, then Canada, then the World!!! (1, Insightful)

JenovaSynthesis (528503) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401028)

God I love the arrogance of the US. It is shit like this that shows that the US really is imperialistic. If it cannot invade other countries like Iraq, it tries to subvert the legal system to make the laws echo its own.

I still do not see why the US even needs the DMCA. There is nothing in that law other than dismantling of fair use rights that is not covered by either pre-existing copyright law and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. If we do not need it, no other country does.

And why is Canada such a big deal? You would think they would want a place like China where piracy is rampant to adopt a DMCA before Canada. But then again Chinese courts have not ruled downloading MP3s off the net legal like Canadian courts did.

"I submitted this a week ago" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12401031)

says the AC reject who rejects slashdot's rejection of his "US Rejects Canadian Rejection of DMCA" rejection rejection rejection.

I wonder how we'll rally the troops for this one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12401032)

[insert sinister uncle sam image here] The RIAA/MPAA wants YOU! (to kill a Canadian?) Why don't we just get it over with and rename the country to the CSA.... Corporate States of America. Blah.

Geist's blog (2, Informative)

deathazre (761949) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401093)

Am I the only one
who finds it
incredibly hard to
read Geist's blog
when the text wraps
every three or four
words?

'all other developed countries' (4, Insightful)

PhYrE2k2 (806396) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401122)

Canada to join nearly all other developed countries in implementing the WIPO Internet Treaties


Riiiight- all other developed countries. You'll notice how they stress this like it's the norm and the baseline everyone has. Canada isn't the odd man out, but rather the US is in this case.

Note most Eurpoean and Asian countries, and even in Canada-like Austrailia, have IP laws nowhere near the stupidity of the DMCA.

The US is not the norm. The US is trying to impose it's views coming from CORPORATE AMERICA and project them not only on the individuals but also on the individuals in other countries (all 6 billion of them). The DMCA only removes rights from individuals and gives it to corporations.

-M

Rejecting a...rejection? (3, Funny)

zoogies (879569) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401139)

You can reject a rejection? Sweeet! I'll keep this in mind when I some day apply for a job.

what about softwood f***ing lumber (4, Insightful)

jbr439 (214107) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401149)

What nerve. The US refuses to honor its own laws and international treaties concerning the softwood lumber issue with Canada (yes, I am in BC), yet insists that Canada implement the draconian DMCA or something similar.

I hope the government of the day has the balls to tell the US that we refuse to talk about IP until the US honors the NAFTA rulings re softwood lumber.

Canada... (1)

abulafia (7826) | more than 9 years ago | (#12401151)

Bend over.

Eh? you mean me?

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