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Lenovo Completes Acquisition Of IBM's PC Division

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the purchasing-the-collective dept.

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karvind writes "Chinese computer maker Lenovo has completed its $1.75 billion purchase of IBM's personal computer division, creating the world's third-largest PC maker. Under the deal, IBM takes an 18.9 percent stake in Lenovo. Lenovo paid $1.25 billion for the IBM PC unit and assumed debt, which brought the total cost to $1.75 billion. Slashdot timeline: Dec 3, 2004: IBM Puts PC Business Up for Sale, Dec 4, 2004: Chinese PC Maker Looks to Buy IBM's PC Business, and Mar 9, 2005: U.S. Approves IBM/Lenovo Sale"

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1st (0, Offtopic)

cup0spam (110291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424152)

1st

So... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424168)

who cares?

New brand name? (0, Troll)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424169)

Google has many hints [google.com]

Note: It's a politically incorrect joke. Emphasis on joke. If you don't like politically incorrect jokes, don't click on the link.

Re:New brand name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424186)

but jokes are supposed to be funny...

Re:New brand name? (1)

pastpolls (585509) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424196)

You're right, that is not PC... but I just laughed out loud for the first time in a week.

Re:New brand name? (1)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424314)


So did I...I haven't been this embarassed about laughing about something since Beavis and Butthead.

Re:New brand name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424495)

You are worthless. Stop posting.

Re:New brand name? (1)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424633)

You are anonymous. No one cares what you think.

Re:New brand name? (1)

Gruneun (261463) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424423)

PC or not, the "raptop" comment from the last related post still makes me snicker.

IBM doesn't need stinking pcs! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424171)

but i wonder what this will do to support for prior IBM computers

A new hope for IBM (4, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424176)

I just hope the Thinkpad survives. It's always been my absolute favorite laptop series. They're beautifully made, elegant, and they use, for me, the right pointing device (yes, I know people who don't like the trackpoint, but the trackpad is, IMO, nothing like as usable. Trackpoints are always stationary relative to the mouse buttons, which means you don't need that hack installed to make it usable that you do with the 'pad, where you're never sure if you just accidentally selected something because your attempt to move the mouse was interpreted as a click, etc. I know a lot of this is "what you're used to", but I also think it's an objectively better system.)

IBM leaving the PC business seems sad, and I hope the fact they still have a big stake in the PowerPC and Workstation markets means they'll re-enter, this time with something a little more interesting. That said, it's important not to overstate this: IBM has never been a commodity player, and the PC business is a commodity market. That's why they're getting out. The chances of a populist computer coming out of IBM soon isn't that likely. It's like Anakin Skywalker being thrown into the lava and left there by Obi Wan Kenobe in the climactic scene of the new Star Wars movie, explaining why he has to wear the protective suit in his guise as Darth Vader and why he's all hairless and damaged in Return of the Jedi. Just like in that movie, it may explain things in the future of IBM (albeit things we're not aware of yet, whereas we've all seen A New Hope) and is a dramatic change. Hopefully though IBM's not "going to the dark side"!

But it is sad. In many ways, I feel that when it came to IBM and its influence over the last few years, she blinded me with science.

Re:A new hope for IBM (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424207)

It's like Anakin Skywalker being thrown into the lava and left there by Obi Wan Kenobe in the climactic scene of the new Star Wars movie...

Worst. Analogy. Ever.

Re:A new hope for IBM (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424452)

It's like Anakin Skywalker being thrown into the lava and left there by Obi Wan Kenobe in the climactic scene of the new Star Wars movie...

Worst. Analogy. Ever.

No, this is:

It's like a bunyon in your left nostril left there by the intrusive drone of Alien Pope during his weekly sermon on why we should eat pieces of our neighbors liver to better understand the glories of our great god, Eddy the Reproductive Shrew, Lord of the Golden Fucker.

Re:A new hope for IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12425003)

He was trying to insert the spoiler without a warning, you fucking sucker!

Re:A new hope for IBM (2, Insightful)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424212)

Well, customer service has definitely sucked over the past few months. The motherboard on my X31 broke at the end of March, and I'm still waiting for a replacement. IBM supposedly has a 3 day replacement policy for broken parts under warranty; it's been five weeks and IBM's been giving the runaround to both me and the tech (their business partner, for crying out loud) as to when my bloody $3000 notebook is going to be repaired.

Re:A new hope for IBM (1)

teeker (623861) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424412)

Dunno dude, I just had a broken motherboard on an A30 and a tech was out here 2 days later and had all the parts on hand to repair it on the spot.

Things could be spotty these days, but my most recent personal experience has been good. YMMV of course.

Re:A new hope for IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424478)

Yeah, well, I just pissed my pants and nobody from IBM came to help me.

Re:A new hope for IBM (2, Funny)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424237)

...rant about trackpads ...

dude, by a 10$ optical mouse and get over yourself.

I'd rather use a real mouse than ANYTHING put in a laptop because it's just simpler. But touchpads aren't really that hard to use. They are annoying if you rest on it by accident when typing but other than that they're not a mystery.

Tom

Re:A new hope for IBM (1)

hal9000(jr) (316943) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424404)

dude, by a 10$ optical mouse and get over yourself.

Ever try to use an optial mouse while balancing that laptop on your lap while in the airport, restaruant, the sofa, or the easy chair? I barely have room to put my g40 and a glass of water on the flimsy little airport tray. Grrg. Argh.

I have also had a hell of a time trying to use photoshop with a trackpad or anything other than a trackpoint or a mouse.

So no mon, it's not that easy.

Re:A new hope for IBM (1)

Pad-Lok (831143) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424609)

Ever try to use an optial mouse while balancing that laptop on your lap...

Yes, I just usually place the mouse on my thigh and the laptop over my knees. No problems here.

Re:A new hope for IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424421)

here's an idea, faggot:
get over yourself.

The whole point to a laptop is portability. It's bad enough I have to lug around an external power supply; now you want me to have to cram a mouse in my bag along with my laptop and my books and binders? Basically, fuck you and the iBook attitude you rode in on. What makes Thinkpads great is the fact that you don't need to carry tons of bullshit around with the laptop. To quote a JC Penney slogan, "It's all inside."

Furthermore, when's the last time you saw a three-button trackpad? I didn't think so. I thank god my Thinkpad has an X-friendly three-button setup so I don't have to carry around a Logitech ZOMGX4900000 Optical Pro ExXxtreme Edition trackball or whatever the fuck.

in conclusion you're a faggot and I fucked your sister

Re:A new hope for IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424517)

in conclusion you're a faggot and I fucked your sister

I guess you weren't aware that his sister is a tranny named Bob. Apparently you aren't up to speed on the difference between vaginal juices as Anal-Eaze.

Oh, and by the way, those sores on your penis won't go away.

Re:A new hope for IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424646)

It's okay. I don't use it much anyway. :(

funny?!? (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424465)

Insightful, maybe--I can't stand those pads, especially if they have any extra annoyances^Wfeatures like scroll or navigation zones*--but the parent seems quite serious to me.

Even if I was on a train I'd take an optical, and maybe move it on the keyboard if said train is crowded. Touchpads are not teh awesome for me--unless, perhaps, they had a built-in cover to stop those typing accidents...

*Yes, I can turn them off on most, I know. They just feel odd in either case.

Re:funny?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424557)

Insightful, maybe--I can't stand those pads, especially if they have any extra annoyances^Wfeatures like scroll or navigation zones*--but the parent seems quite serious to me.

Are we on the same forum? Are you talking about Kotex here?

Re:funny?!? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424677)

Trackpoints don't have those problems. The worst that can happen is you'll move the mouse a fraction of a pixel (well, not a fraction, but you know what I mean) because you accidentally tap it when typing. And, yep, they don't have the whole annoyances thing. They work with multiple buttons. They just work, which makes it surprising to me that Apple choose the more complicated and less workable-without-hacks solution.

Handheld mice really aren't practical for the reasons you'd use a laptop. Forget using it on a train, consider using it on your lap while you're sitting in bed (or anywhere else you'd have the laptop physically on your lap)

Re:funny?!? (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424977)

I find that a touchpad with good acceleration settings is WAY better then a point.

The point takes too much force to start moving and therefore moves too fast at the minimum speed. At the same time it is way to slow at the fastest.

Also since it's motion is not related to the motion of my hands it is much harder to judge where you are moving it without tracking it activly with your eyes, and far easier to overshoot.

The tap to click (and double tap to drive) on a touch pad is a huge bonus makign ti very easy to navigate around most things with one finger (I know some points have this, but I have not seen one that was easy to tap click with, it always took too much force).

the presision and speed are just far worse on a point vs a pad.

I would like to disclaim that the type of work I do is fairly mouse centric and maybe for typical use a point is better.

Also the points I have used have been Dell's and not IBM's which could also be a difference.

Re:A new hope for IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424268)

lay off on the shrooms, Lucas.

Re:A new hope for IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424433)

I'm buying a new laptop soon. I looked at the Thinkpad, but now that the Chicoms have taken it over, it's the wrong choice.

Free China! Support Taiwan!

Re:A new hope for IBM (0, Redundant)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424435)

Here, here! My 560E with it's P-166 is have the weight of my sister's Centrino from HP. And a third of the weight of my old B&W 286 laptop. IBM has always been more in tune with the needs of the business class.

Re:A new hope for IBM (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424983)

Oh thanks a lot, you've ruined the whole movies for me now!! i was looking forward episodes 4-6.

taking bets (2, Insightful)

Naikrovek (667) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424179)

how long before we see lonovo machines at Best Buy?

Re:taking bets (1)

iocat (572367) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424219)

How long before they drop the Lonovo name and just become Think Computers? They can still use the IBM brand name for five years. I'm buying my next ThinkPad in 28 days -- hopefully it isn't my last.

By the way, any recommendations? I can probably spend about $15000 - $2000, so I am assuming I'll get a nice R-series.

Re:taking bets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424417)

By the way, any recommendations? I can probably spend about $15000...

I don't think you're going to have problems finding something that meets your needs...

Re:taking bets (4, Funny)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424459)

I can probably spend about $15000

You could trick out a PowerBook and a battery operated Xserve RAID for that much cash.

Re:taking bets (1)

Prophet of Nixon (842081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424506)

Get a new T, or an X from the 30 series (32 is a good one).

Re:taking bets (1)

0kComputer (872064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424223)

Actually, If i remember correctly, part of the deal was that they could use the IBM name/brand for 7 or 8 years, something like that anyways. Nonetheless, I doubt we'll be seeing the lonovo brand name without an IBM next to it for some time.

I'll take that bet.. (1)

ShaniaTwain (197446) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424334)

I bet we see machines with the lenovo name before we see them with the lonovo name..

Slashdot and Chinese stories... (0, Offtopic)

Neil Blender (555885) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424195)

...after an hour, they need to post another one.

Um... who does this effect, really? (3, Insightful)

TodPunk (843271) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424203)

Honestly, I don't think this matters much. Thinkpads are about the only IBM PCs I've ever seen used in the past 10 years. We had an old IBM PC back in High School that was donated because it simply didn't hold up. We ended up trashing it because it kept eating video cards like they were candy, and the computer lab didn't have many to spare for it. It did resist that sledgehammer well, but that doesn't have much to do with the computer itself.

So in the end, this really doesn't effect anyone I know of unless you really want a Thinkpad...

Re:Um... who does this effect, really? (2, Insightful)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424353)

It did resist that sledgehammer well, but that doesn't have much to do with the computer itself.

Unless, of course, you're talking about that Model M keyboard [everything2.com] it came with!

Re:Um... who does this effect, really? (1)

kissyfish (743236) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424490)

Have you worked for the gov't lately. A lot of them are still IBM shops (he types from his IBMPC) Kissyfish

What Future For Thinkpad's? (5, Insightful)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424208)

It figures the only laptop I will even consider since they hooked me on the little pointer nub is a Thinkpad. A lot of business users rely on TP's too, and now with this Lenovo aquisition what lays ahead for the beloved Thinkpad?

Re:What Future For Thinkpad's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424800)


Due to a mix-up in translating engineering documents into Chinese, the new ThinkPads will literally be made of TP. Due to their soft exterior, they will be re-marketed as competition to the Panasonic Toughbooks.

But will they run Linux? (5, Interesting)

belmolis (702863) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424217)

Here's a case in which the standard question "but does it run Linux?" is actually relevant. China getting into the PC business in a big way could have an impact on the availability of machines on which one doesn't have to pay the Microsoft tax. With China explicitly interested in independence from Microsoft, it seems likely that they won't play ball with Microsoft and will offer machines with no OS or with Linux pre-installed.

Re:But will they run Linux? (1)

TodPunk (843271) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424267)

I highly doubt it would be profitable to spend 1.75 billion dollars on a company and then not offer Windows machines. As much as we all like Linux, in a corporate sales environment, it's just fighting an uphill battle, and not a wise choice from a risk management perspective.

Unless they really REALLY hate Microsoft, they'll continue to offer Windows, and just offer Linux as an alternative.

Re:But will they run Linux? (4, Informative)

belmolis (702863) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424361)

Sure, I wasn't suggesting that they would refuse to provide MS Windows, just that they wouldn't insist on it. If they don't want to deal with MS, or if it becomes problematic because they won't sell all their machines preloaded, they might ship machines with no OS or Linux, with MS Windows installation done by OEMs or retailers for those who want it.

Re:But will they run Linux? (2, Insightful)

grumpyman (849537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424574)

First off, Lenovo is a private corporation, not a state run business. It's all about profit. It's nature is just as good (or evil) as any other businesses in the world. Check this [lenovo.com] out:

"ThinkPad recommends Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional"

But I agree that it's possible that they may go towards more to a non-MS, or MS-agnostic company.

Re:But will they run Linux? (1)

belmolis (702863) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424831)

Lenovo may be a private corporation, but a good chunk of their market is, or will be, in China, where many of the buyers will part of the government, and in any case, in China even private companies are subject to a lot of government influence. It is true that Lenovo will probably continue to provide MS Windows where they think it will be profitable; I don't expect them to take a purely ideological stance. At the same time, between government pressure, the growing Chinese Linux market, and the widespread desire of Chinese people not to be controlled by or beholden to foreign companies, Lenovo will have a lot of motivation not to insist on pre-loading MS Windows on every machine.

Re:But will they run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424616)

Not very likely. The "Microsoft tax" applies to all machines they sell, no matter what OS is installed, or else becomes prohibitively expensive. Either way, it's not cost-effective for any major hardware company to offer alternatives.

(And if you think this is monopolistic, consider that before the antitrust case, the manufacturers had to pay full price if they sold so much as a single PC without Windows. By comparison, this arrangement is perfectly fair...)

Is Red Flag Linux? (2, Funny)

amightywind (691887) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424623)

it seems likely that they won't play ball with Microsoft and will offer machines with no OS or with Linux pre-installed.

Yah, you get Red Flag installed for free, and a BIOS to protect the user from any OS not approved by the Party. Can't wait, comrade.

Re:But will they run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424762)

Not likely. MS will continue to dominate the desktop market until Linux becomes more mature (i.e. "Just Works").

An example: USB peripherals. When users can plug in their USB digital cameras and iPods etc... and have those "just work". Only then will we see Linux start to make a dent in MS's desktop market share.

They will run Chinux, no doubt... (1)

Urusai (865560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12425059)

and it won't be GPL, either. What makes you think China cares about Western IP?

my girlfriend will hate me saying this (1, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424258)

As much as it may be the only practice most /.ers ever get, I hope to god they get rid of that stupid clitoris mouse.

Re:my girlfriend will hate me saying this (1)

sidepocket (817256) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424365)

Napoleon: "Yeah, my old girlfriend from Oklahoma was gonna fly out here for the dance but she couldn't 'cause she's doing some modeling right now."
Pedro: "Is she hot?"
Napoleon: "See for yourself."
Pedro: "Wow."
Napoleon: "Yeah, I took her to the mall to get some glamour shots for her birthday one year."
Pedro: "I like her bangs."
Napoleon: "Me too."

Re:my girlfriend will hate me saying this (1)

TheGavster (774657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424475)

I know there will be about a million posts in this thread on the topic of preferred laptop pointing device, but I don't see why. One of the reasons that I love Thinkpads so much is that they come with both a touchpad and a nubbin. I'm happy with my proportional mousing (mouse moves in proportion to how my finger moves), and my friends who prefer it get differential mousing (finger movement controls the rate of change of cursor position) when they use my machine.

Re:my girlfriend will hate me saying this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424942)

preferable to running your finger all over that big greasy ass sized 'oooo touch my ass' pad?

Wow, (-1, Offtopic)

MoOsEb0y (2177) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424261)

Now I'm really glad I decided to buy a Gateway laptop yesterday instead of an IBM...

Re:Wow, (1)

teeker (623861) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424500)

I've had lots of both (and Toshiba and Dell etc) in a corporate environment. I'd be willing to put money on a Thinkpad out-living a functionally similar Gateway laptop any day of the week.

Not that I wish you any bad luck, mind you...the Gateways were fine machines, but none have ever been as good as the Thinkpads. IMHO of course...

Re:Wow, (1)

Prophet of Nixon (842081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424589)

Out of curiosity, how do the Toshibas (mainly Tecra Ms if you had 'em) hold up over time?

Re:Wow, (1)

teeker (623861) | more than 9 years ago | (#12425048)

We only had the Satellite models...the earlier ones seemed more durable than the later ones. IIRC, the biggest complaint I had with them was loose screen hinges after some use (same with Dell). Probably been 2 years since we took the last one out of service, so things may be better (or worse) these days....take it for what it's worth.

Maybe they will build something different? (4, Interesting)

big-giant-head (148077) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424297)

With the powerpc, the cel processor maybe IBM ditched the old pc to begin something new? Maybe not. However I could see somekind of wirless set top box that records (DVR) has basic Web/Email/Office capabilities and has wirless KB and Mouse. Others have tried it, but maybe it's time has come?

BTW whatever happened to CHRP and the promised PowerPC MB's we hobbyists could buy and build our own system from?

Re:Maybe they will build something different? (1)

TheGavster (774657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424510)

How is a settop convergence box in any way related to a general purpose mobile machine?

no more discounts? (5, Interesting)

jwjcmw (552089) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424298)

One thing I noticed with the acquisition is that some of the discounts that were available previously are not there any more. Realtors were able to get a pretty good discount (20% or so) on Thinkpads, but when you go to the link from the Realtor partner site, there are no thinkpads with discounts listed anymore. I wonder if they are doing away with these discounts? What about the good discounts that IBM employees get for their family and friends...I'd really hate to have to pay retail for a thinkpad.

Re:no more discounts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424755)

The Employee Purchase Program is supposed to continue for the near term.



Re:no more discounts? (1)

Jaywalk (94910) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424789)

What about the good discounts that IBM employees get for their family and friends...I'd really hate to have to pay retail for a thinkpad.
Well, speaking as an IBM employee, we were told that we'd get the same discounts that Lenovo offers its employees. How those discounts compare to IBM's historical discounts remain to be seen, but the announcement stated a continuation of 15-35% discounts. IBM has equipped its mobile employees with Thinkpads, so it makes sense that they would want to keep that consistent.

IBM employees can also provide friends and family with a URL and serial number so they can get the same discounts. If you have a buddy who works for Big Blue you might ask them if you could use their serial number. But don't expect them to post them on the Internet; a single employee code can only buy 25 units per year.

Thinkpads still aren't cheap. I've had friends who were undecided who went with a Thinkpad when they had the discount. I've also had friends who decided the things were still too expensive. It depends on what you need.

You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (5, Insightful)

ducttapekz (879839) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424313)

. . . No windows key. I didn't like it at first but then I realized, it is a neutral pc. It doesn't have an ms advertisement on the keyboard. I hope that doesn't change.

Re:You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (1)

stevesliva (648202) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424483)

My iSeries has one--that I never use. But it does appear newer ones don't have the key. Cool. Larger space bar.

Re:You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (1)

next1 (742094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424581)

agreed - there is something that just feels good about peeling off that windows sticker after you've finished your fresh [linux] install. all that's left to do then is sit back and admire the thinkpad's sheer beauty.

of course you then briefly remember the hours of pain and misery it took to complete the install but then you ignore that and bask in it's beauty again.

Re:You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (1)

Seanasy (21730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424741)

How do you safely take those stickers off? Mine seem like they're welded on. There's nothing more obnoxious than paying $2000 for a computer and being forced to see (and feel) those damn advertisements.

Re:You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (1)

next1 (742094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424790)

mine just peeled off - i have an r50. on mine it's the same type of sticker as the pentium stickers.

Re:You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (1)

thue (121682) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424812)

agreed - there is something that just feels good about peeling off that windows sticker after you've finished your fresh [linux] install.

One of my friends put the "Designed for Windows" sticker on the side of his trash can after he installed FreeBSD :).

Re:You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (1)

TheKubrix (585297) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424621)

Uhm,.....thats one of the things that makes me dislike thinkpads. Some of us require windows, even if we have dualboot, and even to that, when running KDE, or Gnome, its very handy to open its version of the start menu.

Re:You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (3, Insightful)

dmayle (200765) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424654)

No windows key. I didn't like it at first but then I realized

I bet you prefer Apple mice, too...

Like it or not, the extra "Windows" key is something that has been missing on x86 PCs for ages, whether you run Linux or Windows. (I run both) Without it, it's much more difficult to go mouseless in a GUI environment. Not to mention all the fantastic keyboard shortcuts you miss out on in Windows without it. (W-D for desktop, W-E for computer explorer, W-R for a RUN dialog...)

On Linux you can map it to your menuing system of choice, or a Meta-key, or just about whatever else. If they really wanted be "Neutral" they could have just put a different picture on the key. All they are right now are lacking...

Re:You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424910)

Agreed , it should be labeld CMD(command) or Meta or something along those lines.
I find it rather handy on my laptop , i carefully removed the windows branding on my laptop keyboard and labeld it with a \|/ type symbol , That key i have marked for all manner of shortcuts .

Re:You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 9 years ago | (#12425021)

I use the key quite a bit too.

My most common uses are Win+L for "Lock Workstation" (get up for a break), Win+F for "Find", and Win+M for "Minimise All".

I just wish I could untie it from the damn Start menu. One of the worst uses ever. (Too bad it's not Win+S, or something.)

Re:You know the coolest thing about thinkpads (1)

cameldrv (53081) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424776)

IBM has a key remapping utility for windows that is helpful for this. I remapped the right alt key (which I never use) to a windows key.

oh thats why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424329)

I ordered two IBM PC's for work 2 weeks ago, I love my thinkpad so much I decided to try out the desktops. Well I called yesterday and they said that I wouldnt get my PC's for another 2 weeks, I guess this is the reason.

I like monkeys (0, Offtopic)

NessusRed (710227) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424368)

I LIKE MONKEYS I like monkeys. The pet store was selling them for five cents a piece. I thought that odd since they were normally a couple thousand each. I decided not to look a gift horse in the mouth. I bought 200. I like monkeys. I took my 200 monkeys home. I have a big car. I let one drive. His name was Sigmund. He was retarded. In fact, none of them were really bright. They kept punching themselves in their genitals. I laughed. Then they punched my genitals. I stopped laughing. I herded them into my room. They didn't adapt very well to their new environment. They would screech, hurl themselves off of the couch at high speeds and slam into the wall. Although humorous at first, the spectacle lost its novelty halfway into its third hour. Two hours later I found out why all the monkeys were so inexpensive: they all died. No apparent reason. They all just sorta' dropped dead. Kinda' like when you buy a goldfish and it dies five hours later. Damn cheap monkeys. I didn't know what to do. There were 200 dead monkeys lying all over my room, on the bed, in the dresser, hanging from my bookcase. It looked like I had 200 throw rugs. I tried to flush one down the toilet. It didn't work. It got stuck. Then I had one dead, wet monkey and 199 dead, dry monkeys. I tried pretending that they were just stuffed animals. That worked for a while, that is until they began to decompose. It started to smell real bad. I had to pee but there was a dead monkey in the toilet and I didn't want to call the plumber. I was embarrassed. I tried to slow down the decomposition by freezing them. Unfortunately there was only enough room for two monkeys at a time so I had to change them every 30 seconds. I also had to eat all the food in the freezer so it didn't all go bad. I tried burning them. Little did I know my bed was flammable. I had to extinguish the fire. Then I had one dead, wet monkey in my toilet, two dead, frozen monkeys in my freezer, and 197 dead, charred monkeys in a pile on my bed. The odor wasn't improving. I became agitated at my inability to dispose of my monkeys and to use the bathroom. I severely beat one of my monkeys. I felt better. I tried throwing them way but the garbage man said that the city wasn't allowed to dispose of charred primates. I told him that I had a wet one. He couldn't take that one either. I didn't bother asking about the frozen ones. I finally arrived at a solution. I gave them out as Christmas gifts. My friends didn't know quite what to say. They pretended that they like them but I could tell they were lying. Ingrates. So I punched them in the genitals. I like monkeys

Re:I like monkeys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12425046)

Dude, this is SUPPOSED to be abut thinkpads! And you forgot the formatting!!!!
I LIKE ThinkPads
I like ThinkPads.

The computer store was selling them for five cents a piece. I thought that
odd since they were normally a couple thousand each. I decided not to
look a gift horse in the mouth. I bought 200. I like ThinkPads.

I took my 200 ThinkPads home. I have a big car. I let one drive. His
name was Sigmund. He was retarded. In fact, none of them were really
bright. They kept punching themselves in their genitals. I laughed.
Then they punched my genitals. I stopped laughing.

I herded them into my room. They didn't adapt very well to their new
environment. They would screech, hurl themselves off of the couch at
high speeds and slam into the wall. Although humorous at first, the
spectacle lost its novelty halfway into its third hour.

Two hours later I found out why all the ThinkPads were so inexpensive:
they all died. No apparent reason. They all just sorta' dropped dead.
Kinda' like when you buy a goldfish and it dies five hours later. Damn
cheap ThinkPads.

I didn't know what to do. There were 200 dead ThinkPads lying all over my
room, on the bed, in the dresser, hanging from my bookcase. It looked
like I had 200 throw rugs.

I tried to flush one down the toilet. It didn't work. It got stuck.
Then I had one dead, wet monkey and 199 dead, dry ThinkPads.

I tried pretending that they were just stuffed animals. That worked for
a while, that is until they began to decompose. It started to smell real
bad.

I had to pee but there was a dead monkey in the toilet and I didn't want
to call the plumber. I was embarrassed.

I tried to slow down the decomposition by freezing them. Unfortunately
there was only enough room for two ThinkPads at a time so I had to change
them every 30 seconds. I also had to eat all the food in the freezer so
it didn't all go bad.

I tried burning them. Little did I know my bed was flammable. I had to
extinguish the fire.

Then I had one dead, wet monkey in my toilet, two dead, frozen ThinkPads in
my freezer, and 197 dead, charred ThinkPads in a pile on my bed. The odor
wasn't improving.

I became agitated at my inability to dispose of my ThinkPads and to use the
bathroom. I severely beat one of my ThinkPads. I felt better.

I tried throwing them way but the garbage man said that the city wasn't
allowed to dispose of charred primates. I told him that I had a wet
one. He couldn't take that one either. I didn't bother asking about the
frozen ones.

I finally arrived at a solution. I gave them out as Christmas gifts. My
friends didn't know quite what to say. They pretended that they like
them but I could tell they were lying. Ingrates. So I punched them in
the genitals.

I like ThinkPads
- me :-)

Why don't major vendors sell Linux PCs?? (3, Interesting)

moeinvt (851793) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424379)

I recently saw a pretty decent deal on a Dell PC and called to ask if they would sell it with Linux pre-installed. No. Well, how about with no OS? Sir, you can reformat the hard drive when you get it and. . . OK, forget it. I was then quite stunned when I called about an IBM PC and even THEY(one of the biggest corporate backers of Linux) wouldn't sell a PC with Linux pre-installed . . . or even a box without Windows. ??? How is Linux supposed to catch on and put a dent in the MS monopoly when the major vendors won't sell Linux boxes and force you to buy a Windows OEM license regardless?

Re:Why don't major vendors sell Linux PCs?? (2, Informative)

ssj_195 (827847) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424556)

HP are apparently working on a fork of Ubuntu (which will be merged back into the mainline branch) which supports absolutely 100% (from suspend/ resume/ hibernate to modems to 3D acceleration) of the hardware on some of their laptops, which I find heartening.

Re:Why don't major vendors sell Linux PCs?? (1)

datadriven (699893) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424844)

Hopefully they won't contain the Texs Instruments cardbridge bus that's COMPLETELY linux incompatible. I had to switch to usb wifi on my laptop.

Re:Why don't major vendors sell Linux PCs?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424562)

It's simple really. While IBM and other hardware manufacturers realize that Linux is a fantastic server OS, they also realize that Linux is a horrendous desktop OS. Windows is really the only viable option for a x86 desktop OS.

Re:Why don't major vendors sell Linux PCs?? (1)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424585)

Dell, HP, IBM, etc pay a rather unsibstantial amount for their Windows OEM licenses for that fact. It streamlines the entire proccess. If Windows is installed on every machine, it's a trivial matter tolook up the number of PCs sold by that company in a quarter multiply, and you have a price. If IBM sold computers without Windows, it would complicate tracking the number of Windows sales and Microsoft would charge a higher price. One of the reasons you can get a $300 Dell is because they probably only spent ~$20 for the Windows liscence.

Re:Why don't major vendors sell Linux PCs?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424675)

Dell, HP, IBM, etc pay a rather unsibstantial amount for their Windows OEM licenses for that fact. It streamlines the entire proccess. If Windows is installed on every machine, it's a trivial matter tolook up the number of PCs sold by that company in a quarter multiply, and you have a price

Close, but missing a small point ... MicroSoft's contract for OEMing windows forbids the installation of other operating systems

Re:Why don't major vendors sell Linux PCs?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424953)

HP sells here in brazil their D325 desktops with windows xp or with mandrake linux 9.1 ( not installed.. only the cd for you to install )
the price difference is about 150 dolars

Re:Why don't major vendors sell Linux PCs? Volume. (1)

Jaywalk (94910) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424963)

How is Linux supposed to catch on and put a dent in the MS monopoly when the major vendors won't sell Linux boxes and force you to buy a Windows OEM license regardless?
The x86 machine is a commodity item with heavy competition and razor thin margins. The answer to the question is based on two variables:
  1. The cost of splitting the assembly line (Windows to the right, Linux to the left).
  2. The increased profit -- both increased business and decreased licensing fees -- generated by the split.
If #1 is greater than #2, they won't do it. So far, that seems to be the conclusion they've come to. Some smaller shops, working with smaller economies of scale, don't come to the same conclusion. Part of that is probably due to their licensing fees being higher, so eliminating them is more attractive.

Does this mean ... (0, Offtopic)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424399)

Does this mean that if I want a ThinkPad I'll have to buy it at Walmart?

Talk about down-scaling a product ... guess there's no more "born in the USA".

(not that I'd buy one of those Fords that Gates is supposed to be helping make crash-proof. Yeah, sure. That'll be the day - the first time in history that onboard computers either rust or commit suicide in shame)

ThinkPad's have been made in China (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424456)

I wish to preempt foolish comments that quality will now deteriorate into the crapper:

ThinkPads have been manufactured in China for some time now while maintaining high quality.

Please stop the unfounded China bashing: the country's industries have been quickly becoming very competent at high quality production as well as churning out $2 Wal Mart items.

Re:ThinkPad's have been made in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424793)

Also all Powerbooks and iBooks that everybody on ./ seems to be in love with have been manufactured in China for quite a while.

Re:ThinkPad's have been made in China (1)

busmacedon (812797) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424895)

I agree. Why do so many slashdotters think quality will deteriorate?

Here are some high quality electronics products assembled in China:

powerbooks
ipods
thinkpads (these have been made there for some time)

Those are the major brand names I can remember off the top of my head that slashdotters would identify with immediately. There are of course many other electronic products, such as Creative speakers (the good ones too), quality LCD's, and so forth, that are made in China now.

I wonder if anyone here has any real evidence that, given that the countries industries are progressing so well and that they have been successfully manufacturing ThinkPads for years, the quality of Lenovo's ThinkPads will deteriorate. No? Well then quit posting stupid predictions that ThinkPad is now teh suXXX0rz!

Re:ThinkPad's have been made in China (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424862)

Very true. I've bought several Chinese Acuter spotting scopes (optics are another area with frequent China-bashing, top scopes being made in Austria or Japan for thousands) and found little noticeable difference with scopes whose sales tax cost about what I paid for the whole scope + zoom lens + video tripod. Sharp, bright, fully-round images from 20x all the way to 60x with an 80mm objective. I could not justify the $$$$$ leap for the noticeable but relatively minor quality differences.

Don't people remember how Japan was underestimated post-WWII? And Japan doesn't have a fraction of the manufacturing capacity of China!

the chinese are coming (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424466)

I for one welcome our Mao'ist loving Communist Tyrant Chinese overlords.

-sig- American Liberal.

More money/profit in Mainframes and COBOL (1)

JCOTTON (775912) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424494)

Really. Mainframes are still IBM's big ticket items (no pun intended). The Slashdot community, which seems to be so infatuated with tiny things, still doesn't get it. So, right guys, the total amount of COBOL code, running on mainframes, has been reduced from 90% of all computer code in 1990, to "only" 50% of all computer source code now. IBM is saying with this transaction, that they know where big business is looking. Check the stock price; the Street also thinks that this is a good move.

Re:More money/profit in Mainframes and COBOL (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424635)

Obviously since there was 500 million in debt, the section itself wasn't particularly profitable to IBM. Makes sense to get rid of what doesn't work for your company in order to focus more on what does work.

2007 (0, Offtopic)

agent (7471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424594)

The year that Chines will surpass English as the most used language in the Internet, according to a recent U.N. report.

Source: 20050509 Newsweek.

Not that big of a changeover... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12424733)

According to the Guardian [guardian.co.uk] operations will continue pretty much as they are now. Moreover IBM owns 18.9% of Lenovo, so they will contine to have an interest in continuing to support their PCs and Laptops.

Bye-Bye Quality (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424837)

The quaint American notion of quality, service and spiffy design features is something that an IBM-like customer would specify in their order to a Lenovo-like company and not the other way around.

I used to work for a Taiwanese ODM/OEM so I have some experience in the area.

Still have not made up my mind (1)

PenguinBoyDave (806137) | more than 9 years ago | (#12424919)

From the standpoint of IBM selling this off makes sense...slim down to what you want to focus on. However, I'm not sure I'd be willing to sell of something that I have put my name on if there was even the possibility of the quality going down. Not to knock the new owner, but IBM made one heck of a machine and they had a heck of an R&D budget. I'm not sure these guys will be able to do justice to the IBM PC.
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